Rank the highest 5 years peaks ever [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

Bronbron23

09-06-2021, 01:06 PM

The only correct answer everyone else is fighting for third

Lebron 09-13: 2 chips, 2 fmvp's, 4 mvp's, 4 first team defense, 0 dpoys, 0 scoring titles.

Mj 88-93: 3 chips, 3 fmvp's, 3 mvps, 5 first team defense, 1 dpoy and 5 scoring tites.

And if you wanna go stats:

Bron 09-13 post season: 29 pts/6.8 ast/9 reb/49%fg/34%3pt

Mj 89-93 post season: 35 pts/7 ast/7reb/50%fg/36% 3pt

So mj beats bron in literally almost everything stats or accolades. He even beats him in assists and efficiency which is brons main argument against mj when it comes to stats.

I won't even bother with 16-20 because bron dosn't come close to MJ's 89-93 in accolades and achievements.

Nice try though, end thread :banana:

Gohan

09-06-2021, 01:10 PM

2005 iverson should be 1 on everyones list

ELITEpower23

09-06-2021, 01:13 PM

Lebron 09-13: 2 chips, 2 fmvp's, 4 mvp's, 4 first team defense, 0 dpoys, 0 scoring titles.

Mj 88-93: 3 chips, 3 fmvp's, 3 mvps, 5 first team defense, 1 dpoy and 5 scoring tites.

And if you wanna go stats:

Bron 09-13 post season: 29 pts/6.8 ast/9 reb/49%fg/34%3pt

Mj 89-93 post season: 35 pts/7 ast/7reb/50%fg/36% 3pt

So mj beats bron in literally almost everything stats or accolades. He even beats him in assists and efficiency which is brons main argument against mj when it comes to stats.

I won't even bother with 16-20 because bron dosn't come close to MJ's 89-93 in accolades and achievements.

Nice try though, end thread

For starters 88 to 93 is six years :oldlol: So let's make sure we can all count properly before engaging in discussions that revolve around time spans. MJ had 2 MVPs to LBJ's 4.

Secondly..
Top MVP Finishes
09 to 13 LBJ = 1, 1, 3, 1, 1 (4 MVPs, kings run)
89 to 93 MJ = 2, 3, 1, 1, 3 (2 MVPs, not 3 idiot)

Adjust your fake numbers and come back when you can count.

Nice try though :rockon:

Manny98

09-06-2021, 01:14 PM

Lebron 09-13: 2 chips, 2 fmvp's, 4 mvp's, 4 first team defense, 0 dpoys, 0 scoring titles.

Mj 88-93: 3 chips, 3 fmvp's, 3 mvps, 5 first team defense, 1 dpoy and 5 scoring tites.

And if you wanna go stats:

Bron 09-13 post season: 29 pts/6.8 ast/9 reb/49%fg/34%3pt

Mj 89-93 post season: 35 pts/7 ast/7reb/50%fg/36% 3pt

So mj beats bron in literally almost everything stats or accolades. He even beats him in assists and efficiency which is brons main argument against mj when it comes to stats.

I won't even bother with 16-20 because bron dosn't come close to MJ's 89-93 in accolades and achievements.

Nice try though, end thread :banana:
Yes Jordan clearly has the GOAT 5 year peak

I would say LeBron has an argument if he didn't choke his ass off in 2011

ELITEpower23

09-06-2021, 01:15 PM

Yes Jordan clearly has the GOAT 5 year peak

Except for BronBron23 tried to compare six MJ years :oldlol: It's no wonder why you guys are still students, you cannot even count :oldlol:

09-13 LBJ > 89-93 MJ

Bronbron23

09-06-2021, 01:41 PM

For starters 88 to 93 is six years :oldlol: So let's make sure we can all count properly before engaging in discussions that revolve around time spans. MJ had 2 MVPs to LBJ's 4.

Secondly..
Top MVP Finishes
09 to 13 LBJ = 1, 1, 3, 1, 1 (4 MVPs, kings run)
89 to 93 MJ = 2, 3, 1, 1, 3 (2 MVPs, not 3 idiot)

Adjust your fake numbers and come back when you can count.

Nice try though :rockon:

Meant 89 but you already knew that so the numbers are fine. Not my fault they don't align with your agenda.

And not surprised that out of all the stats, achievements and accolades that go into this argument you use the one regular season accolade where bron was better. That's fine though because mj has 5 mvp's and bron has 4 and he's not getting another one so i guess as far as careers go mj is better according to you. Yall bron stans are constantly defeating yourself with your own logic. You make this shit to easy.

Stephonit

09-06-2021, 03:11 PM

Curry 2015-2019 and it really shouldn't even be close.

90sgoat

09-06-2021, 03:14 PM

RRR3

09-06-2021, 03:26 PM

Curry 2015-2019 and it really shouldn't even be close.
Yes, no one in NBA history is close to Curry :rolleyes:

At least try to be unbiased.

dankok8

09-06-2021, 03:31 PM

1. 88-92 Jordan
2. 76-80 Kareem
3. 98-02 Shaq
4. 12-16 Lebron
5. 64-68 Wilt

Bronbron23

09-06-2021, 03:41 PM

Curry 2015-2019 and it really shouldn't even be close. bron has a legit argument. He has everything mj has just a little less in most categories. Steph has no argument whatsoever. Bron and mj are on completely different level.

Stephonit

09-06-2021, 03:45 PM

Yes, no one in NBA history is close to Curry :rolleyes:

At least try to be unbiased.

Over a 5-year period who has made 5 finals with 3 victories in the modern era? That should narrow things down considerably. Then you add the regular season records and doing things in the tougher conference and it really shouldn't be close. If there is a bias on display it is it took so long for him to be mentioned when he is the most obvious and most recent candidate.

bron has a legit argument. He has everything mj has just a little less in most categories. Steph has no argument whatsoever. Bron and mj are on completely different level.

Bron takes half the season off and played around with a conference no one took seriously. Curry was racking up records. Curry's plus-minus over the 2015 to 2019 period is mind-boggling.

HBK_Kliq_2

09-06-2021, 04:01 PM

1) Kawhi Leonard 2016-2020

2) Michael Jordan 1989-1993

3) Lebron James 2012-2016

4) Kobe Bryant 2006-2010

kuniva_dAMiGhTy

09-06-2021, 04:10 PM

- 88-92 Mike... Though MJ was peaking in '93 too
- 98-02 Shaq
- 76-80 KAJ
- 84-88 Bird
- 12-16 Lebron

Bronbron23

09-06-2021, 04:14 PM

Over a 5-year period who has made 5 finals with 3 victories in the modern era? That should narrow things down considerably. Then you add the regular season records and doing things in the tougher conference and it really shouldn't be close. If there is a bias on display it is it took so long for him to be mentioned when he is the most obvious and most recent candidate.

Bron takes half the season off and played around with a conference no one took seriously. Curry was racking up records. Curry's plus-minus over the 2015 to 2019 period is mind-boggling.

U act like bron and mj didn't rack up records whike also racking up everything else that curry hasn't.

And plus minus has been proven to be an inaccurate measure of an individuals impact so i that really dosn't mean much

SouBeachTalents

09-06-2021, 04:16 PM

Instead of bringing up the same hella boring guys like Jordan, LeBron, Shaq etc, some very good 5 year runs that will never be brought up in discussions like these

90-94 Ewing
88-92 Drexler
05-09 Nash
85-89 Wilkins
78-82 Gervin
85-89 McHale
08-12 Dwight
01-05 McGrady
80-84 Dantley
74-78 McAdoo

Stephonit

09-06-2021, 04:34 PM

U act like bron and mj didn't rack up records whike also racking up everything else that curry hasn't.

And plus minus has been proven to be an inaccurate measure of an individuals impact so i that really dosn't mean much

Plus-minus is as good as any other measure and it doesn't suffer from the collinearity of other often used data.

As for the records, what records do you refer to?

Bronbron23

09-06-2021, 04:56 PM

Plus-minus is as good as any other measure and it doesn't suffer from the collinearity of other often used data.

As for the records, what records do you refer to?

Nothing specifically but i'm sure all three broke alot of records but correct me if I'm wrong.as far as plus minus it may be as good as most advanced stats but it's only one of them. There's lots of stats qnd advanced stats and i'm sure mj and bron are ahead of steph in most of them but again correct me i'm wrong.

Stephonit

09-06-2021, 05:25 PM

Nothing specifically but i'm sure all three broke alot of records but correct me if I'm wrong.as far as plus minus it may be as good as most advanced stats but it's only one of them. There's lots of stats qnd advanced stats and i'm sure mj and bron are ahead of steph in most of them but again correct me i'm wrong.

Raw plus-minus is the basis of an entire branch of advanced metrics. Most of the others are based on box score. While the raw version may be influenced by many things that make them noisy in most instances the sheer gap Curry's numbers have from the rest make noise less of a consideration in his case and the raw numbers does have the advantage of not being subject to the biases introduced in processing that the modified versions of it have.

Still part of what makes Steph's case so compelling is its simplicity. He made the finals 5 times in 5 years and won 3 of them. The other recognized greats who did that didn't have the same level of regular season success.

Bronbron23

09-06-2021, 06:45 PM

Raw plus-minus is the basis of an entire branch of advanced metrics. Most of the others are based on box score. While the raw version may be influenced by many things that make them noisy in most instances the sheer gap Curry's numbers have from the rest make noise less of a consideration in his case and the raw numbers does have the advantage of not being subject to the biases introduced in processing that the modified versions of it have.

Still part of what makes Steph's case so compelling is its simplicity. He made the finals 5 times in 5 years and won 3 of them. The other recognized greats who did that didn't have the same level of regular season success.

What? Mj qnd bron absolutely had the same if not better regular season success. They had more mvps, scoring titles and defensive teams.

And he only won and or made it to finals as often as he did because the warriors went out and got a better player. Think about that. The warriors after steph choked in 16 gave up on steph and went out and gor someone they knew could go toe to toe with bron. That right there should say it all.

Stephonit

09-07-2021, 01:32 AM

What? Mj qnd bron absolutely had the same if not better regular season success. They had more mvps, scoring titles and defensive teams.

And he only won and or made it to finals as often as he did because the warriors went out and got a better player. Think about that. The warriors after steph choked in 16 gave up on steph and went out and gor someone they knew could go toe to toe with bron. That right there should say it all.

For Jordan which 5 year period are you talking about? For LeBron his stat stuffing is as impressive to me as Westbrook's. By the way Curry has more scoring titles than LeBron.

The Warriors were a 67-win team when led by Curry with or without KD. It took suspension and injuries for LeBron to eek out a victory with his teammate delivering the coup de grace. That right there should say it all.

MadDog

09-07-2021, 01:36 AM

16-20 would be Curry's peak, right? If so don't see how he's got a case over Jordan\Shaq\LeBron\Kareem. Heck LeBron was the better player in 2016 & 2018.

Axe

09-07-2021, 01:39 AM

Raw plus-minus is the basis of an entire branch of advanced metrics. Most of the others are based on box score. While the raw version may be influenced by many things that make them noisy in most instances the sheer gap Curry's numbers have from the rest make noise less of a consideration in his case and the raw numbers does have the advantage of not being subject to the biases introduced in processing that the modified versions of it have.

Still part of what makes Steph's case so compelling is its simplicity. He made the finals 5 times in 5 years and won 3 of them. The other recognized greats who did that didn't have the same level of regular season success.
You know there is something wrong if you made it to five straight finals yet never won a finals mvp award in that whole stretch.

Stephonit

09-07-2021, 01:41 AM

16-20 would be Curry's peak, right? If so don't see how he's got a case over Jordan\Shaq\LeBron\Kareem. Heck LeBron was the better player in 2016 & 2018.

15-19 I'd think. That 5-year stretch featured absurd plus-minus from Curry with 3 titles in 5 finals appearances.

What made LeBron a better player in 2016 or 2018? Flip flop reasoning will be on display I'm sure.

You know there is something wrong if you made it to five straight finals yet never won a finals mvp award in that whole stretch.

Indeed I know something is wrong. The voters work at the behest of their contrived narratives. Very clear to anyone who sees them incessantly talking about their favorites even when they lose.

MadDog

09-07-2021, 01:46 AM

What made LeBron a better player in 2016 or 2018? Flip flop reasoning will be on display I'm sure.

Flip flopping? LeBron was the more dominant player in the playoffs & finals. :confusedshrug: His impact numbers were also better as well as his defense. Save for RS play, what argument does Curry have?

Stephonit

09-07-2021, 01:52 AM

Flip flopping? LeBron was the more dominant player in the playoffs & finals. :confusedshrug: His impact numbers were also better as well as his defense. Save for RS play, what argument does Curry have?

We keep hearing about LeBronto. Stephland was a more dominant display. We keep hearing about how supposedly Curry had a weak path to the finals in 2015. Curry faced and eliminated more All-NBA First Team players in his conference in that one run than LeBron faced in multiple years in the East. What Bron did in the East Curry did in the tougher West. The only thing really propping up Bron are dumb narratives that fall apart on close inspection.

Axe

09-07-2021, 02:09 AM

Axe

09-07-2021, 02:11 AM

Indeed I know something is wrong. The voters work at the behest of their contrived narratives. Very clear to anyone who sees them incessantly talking about their favorites even when they lose.
Nope, stephen curry was really good in the playoffs to the point that he's won an orange nickelodeon blimp several times. Nothing more, nothing less. :lol

3ba11

09-07-2021, 02:42 AM

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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-michael-jordan-was-the-best/

3ba11

09-07-2021, 02:56 AM

it's crazy how every new method they use to crunch the numbers shows MJ is #1 - PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48, RAPTOR

Bronbron23

09-07-2021, 10:08 AM

For Jordan which 5 year period are you talking about? For LeBron his stat stuffing is as impressive to me as Westbrook's. By the way Curry has more scoring titles than LeBron.

The Warriors were a 67-win team when led by Curry with or without KD. It took suspension and injuries for LeBron to eek out a victory with his teammate delivering the coup de grace. That right there should say it all.

For mj talking 88-89 to 92-93. That crushes curry top 5 year peak in almost every way imaginable.

And you shouldn't talk about injuries. If it wasn't injuries in 15 curry would have never had a chip without the help of kd. After the 16 choke job his own players, gm and exec knew this and felt the need to get a better player even though they just won 73 games and went to the finals game 7. How little confidence in steph does that show?

Stephonit

09-07-2021, 12:01 PM

For mj talking 88-89 to 92-93. That crushes curry top 5 year peak in almost every way imaginable.

And you shouldn't talk about injuries. If it wasn't injuries in 15 curry would have never had a chip without the help of kd. After the 16 choke job his own players, gm and exec knew this and felt the need to get a better player even though they just won 73 games and went to the finals game 7. How little confidence in steph does that show?

Every way imaginable? Bulls didn't make the finals twice and had inferior wins records.

Saying the Cavaliers would have won in 2015 without injuries with certainty is wishful thinking. The Cavaliers have never shown convincing superiority against a healthy Warriors team.

RRR3

09-07-2021, 12:04 PM

This dude honestly thinks Curry is better than Jordan. Absolute retard.

MadDog

09-07-2021, 12:17 PM

We keep hearing about LeBronto. Stephland was a more dominant display. We keep hearing about how supposedly Curry had a weak path to the finals in 2015. Curry faced and eliminated more All-NBA First Team players in his conference in that one run than LeBron faced in multiple years in the East. What Bron did in the East Curry did in the tougher West. The only thing really propping up Bron are dumb narratives that fall apart on close inspection.

Yea sure LeBron's conference was weaker, but so was the 80s west. What about the pre merger and lack of integration in the 60s? Or the lower quality centers in the 00s? Your argument penalizes guys like Shaq, Russell, Wilt & Magic. Nearly half of the top 10 and players ALL ranked higher than Curry.

In both those finals, LeBron clearly outperformed Curry. So even if you wanted to make your flawed conference argument, LeBron maintained his level play when it mattered most. Your stance would make sense if someone wanted to prop LeBron's finals appearances. We're talking about individual play though.

I know you're usually against kong but i admire your opinions itt.

:cheers:

SaintzFury13

09-07-2021, 12:22 PM

15-19 I'd think. That 5-year stretch featured absurd plus-minus from Curry with 3 titles in 5 finals appearances.

What made LeBron a better player in 2016 or 2018? Flip flop reasoning will be on display I'm sure.

He was a better defender and could still run an offense a lot better.

Either of LeBron's peaks from 2009-2013 or 2014-2018 are absolutely insane. If we were talking just one year peak, 2013 LeBron would be the winner. But I'd take early Wilt, early Kareem and MJ from 1989 to 1993 over any of LeBron's peaks.

SaintzFury13

09-07-2021, 12:23 PM

Yes Jordan clearly has the GOAT 5 year peak

I would say LeBron has an argument if he didn't choke his ass off in 2011

I don't even see an argument regardless of whether or not he chokes in 2011. MJ in 88-93 was just god tier, we will never see anything like it again. And it ended on arguably the greatest Finals MVP run of all time.

SaintzFury13

09-07-2021, 12:24 PM

Curry 2015-2019 and it really shouldn't even be close.

Lmao no.

We keep hearing about LeBronto. Stephland was a more dominant display. We keep hearing about how supposedly Curry had a weak path to the finals in 2015. Curry faced and eliminated more All-NBA First Team players in his conference in that one run than LeBron faced in multiple years in the East. What Bron did in the East Curry did in the tougher West. The only thing really propping up Bron are dumb narratives that fall apart on close inspection.

Stephland? You're implying that there's actually a game out there of Curry dominating Cleveland in the same kind of fashion that LeBron dominated Toronto?

And keep in mind, LeBronto isn't just due to that one game. It's due to the fact that LeBron constantly dominated Toronto with ease, even in situations where you could argue Toronto had the better team (2018). Curry never did anything of the sort. His most dominant performance against them came when he wasn't even the best player on his own team. In the other two instances, he was being given fits by Cleveland's back up point guard and had one of his worst postseason performances ever the second time and blew a 3-1 series lead. Stephland is simply not a thing. It doesn't exist because it never happened.

Bronbron23

09-07-2021, 01:08 PM

Every way imaginable? Bulls didn't make the finals twice and had inferior wins records.

Saying the Cavaliers would have won in 2015 without injuries with certainty is wishful thinking. The Cavaliers have never shown convincing superiority against a healthy Warriors team.

I daid "almost" in every way imaginable. The only area mj dosn't crush steph in their 5 year peaks is regular season wins and chips where it's even. Literally everything else is advantage mj. Mvp, fmvp, scoring titles, defensive team, stats, advanced stats you name it. In most of those categories it's not even close either.

As far as the cavs go it's a pretty good assumption. Bron got 2 games and the 4 games he lost were somewhat close. 15 warriors weren't as good as 16 warriors so there's a great chance if kyrie and love are there they win.

SaintzFury13

09-07-2021, 04:52 PM

I daid "almost" in every way imaginable. The only area mj dosn't crush steph in their 5 year peaks is regular season wins and chips where it's even. Literally everything else is advantage mj. Mvp, fmvp, scoring titles, defensive team, stats, advanced stats you name it. In most of those categories it's not even close either.

I don't know if I fully agree with this to be honest. It does need to be acknowledged that Steph's shooting ability was like nothing we had ever seen before. He wasn't just a guy who had a really high shooting percentage from deep. It was the fact that he could shoot the ball from just about anywhere off the dribble in such an unorthodox way. And with the handles that he had, it was almost impossible to guard him. And when you consider the fact that he had Klay for a teammate and a team in general surrounded by versatile defenders, some of whom were truly elite in that category, it made dealing with Golden State a nightmare, but especially Curry.

With Jordan, he was the GOAT and no one could do anything about it, but you could still at least make him work a lot harder for his shots and HOPE that he'll get fatigued. You couldn't do that with Curry because you couldn't even get close enough to him to make him stop. No one in the entire NBA could guard him.

Bronbron23

09-07-2021, 05:38 PM

I don't know if I fully agree with this to be honest. It does need to be acknowledged that Steph's shooting ability was like nothing we had ever seen before. He wasn't just a guy who had a really high shooting percentage from deep. It was the fact that he could shoot the ball from just about anywhere off the dribble in such an unorthodox way. And with the handles that he had, it was almost impossible to guard him. And when you consider the fact that he had Klay for a teammate and a team in general surrounded by versatile defenders, some of whom were truly elite in that category, it made dealing with Golden State a nightmare, but especially Curry.

With Jordan, he was the GOAT and no one could do anything about it, but you could still at least make him work a lot harder for his shots and HOPE that he'll get fatigued. You couldn't do that with Curry because you couldn't even get close enough to him to make him stop. No one in the entire NBA could guard him.

I disagree man. curry has to work way harder for his shots especially against good defenses. He relies so much on screens he practically runs a marathon every game with the amount of screens he runs around. Mj on the other hand could get a look anytime he wanted from anywhere on the floor. Mid, post at the rim and from three even though when he played the 3 was used much less. That's why the warriors went out and got kd. In the half-court when the game slowed down he could get a good look no matter how good the defense. The pre kd warriors didn't have that guy that could get a good look when there offense wasn't effective. The pre kd warriors thrived on a face pace style that took advantage of teams not having time to set up. The better teams caught on to this and tried slowing the game down. This didn't work as much with the kd warriors because when movement and screens wasn't working they could just give it to kd to get a good look.

And I've always acknowledged stephs shooting. He's the best 3 point shooter ever. That dosn't really matter though. Threes are just one aspect of scoring. Mj and bron were better in every other area. They were way more versatile especially mj. It's why they were way harder to stop especially in the finals when scoring is usually harder.

ELITEpower23

09-07-2021, 05:48 PM

How does LeBron have TWO five year peaks better than anybody?

09-13: 3xFinals, 4x MVP, 2xFMVP
16-20: 4xFinals, 2x FMVP, Assist Title, AVG Trip-Dub in Finals

Axe

09-07-2021, 05:55 PM

I don't know if I fully agree with this to be honest. It does need to be acknowledged that Steph's shooting ability was like nothing we had ever seen before. He wasn't just a guy who had a really high shooting percentage from deep. It was the fact that he could shoot the ball from just about anywhere off the dribble in such an unorthodox way. And with the handles that he had, it was almost impossible to guard him. And when you consider the fact that he had Klay for a teammate and a team in general surrounded by versatile defenders, some of whom were truly elite in that category, it made dealing with Golden State a nightmare, but especially Curry.

With Jordan, he was the GOAT and no one could do anything about it, but you could still at least make him work a lot harder for his shots and HOPE that he'll get fatigued. You couldn't do that with Curry because you couldn't even get close enough to him to make him stop. No one in the entire NBA could guard him.
Stephen curry's play style of attempting long-range jumpshots and shooting benefitted from moving screens set by his own teammates. But since he's small and not too athletic, it didn't take long for the whole league to figure out how to neutralize him effectively. I mean there's evidence in the playoffs in which his scoring numbers and fg% would plummet down. Plus, he never scored higher than 47 during the postseason while outside of his banal ongoing quarter buzzer beaters, his clutch capabilities are utterly lacking; he went 0-8 in go ahead shots during several closing seconds of crucial playoff games. Needless to say, there's a decent tendency he'd fold when the going got tough. Though admittedly, his potential to feast on laughingstock teams is quite intriguing.

In those cases, rs or not, he doesn't offset his bad shooting nights with good defense against his defensive assignments unless those players are known for being horrible with the ball. That's why there are affairs in which he'd be pulled out in the last minutes of the game due to being a defensive liability. The 2016 christmas game between the warriors and the cavs was one of those which was barely won by the latter at the oracle arena. He also let d-league players or role players like matthew dellavedova and fred vanvleet feast on him in the biggest stage of the game so his fellow splash bro klay had to be burdened on defending them at some points of the games.

Luckily for him tho, his flaws would be overlooked or forgiven often especially if they win because he used to have other all-star teammates to rely on but last time, without the services of guys like klay, kd and iggy while draymond green has been limited to being a role player, it took a toll on him and the warriors during the play in tournament aka losers bracket. They are the only team to have b2b losses incurred rt despite him averaging nearly 40 points against a hampered lakers team and the surging grizzlies led by a clumsy ja morant.

Bronbron23

09-07-2021, 06:18 PM

Stephen curry's play style of attempting long-range jumpshots and shooting benefitted from moving screens set by his own teammates. But since he's small and not too athletic, it didn't take long for the whole league to figure out how to neutralize him effectively. I mean there's evidence in the playoffs in which his scoring numbers and fg% would plummet down. Plus, he never scored higher than 47 during the postseason while outside of his banal ongoing quarter buzzer beaters, his clutch capabilities are utterly lacking; he went 0-8 in go ahead shots during several closing seconds of crucial playoff games. Needless to say, there's a decent tendency he'd fold when the going got tough. Though admittedly, his potential to feast on laughingstock teams is quite intriguing.

In those cases, rs or not, he doesn't offset his bad shooting nights with good defense against his defensive assignments unless those players are known for being horrible with the ball. That's why there are affairs in which he'd be pulled out in the last minutes of the game due to being a defensive liability. The 2016 christmas game between the warriors and the cavs was one of those which was barely won by the latter at the oracle arena. He also let d-league players or role players like matthew dellavedova and fred vanvleet feast on him in the biggest stage of the game so his fellow splash bro klay had to be burdened on defending them at some points of the games.

Luckily for him tho, his flaws would be overlooked or forgiven often especially if they win because he used to have other all-star teammates to rely on but last time, without the services of guys like klay, kd and iggy while draymond green has been limited to being a role player, it took a toll on him and the warriors during the play in tournament aka losers bracket. They are the only team to have b2b losses incurred rt despite him averaging nearly 40 points against a hampered lakers team and the surging grizzlies led by a clumsy ja morant.

Spot on

Axe

09-07-2021, 06:19 PM

Spot on
:cheers:

Btw, i notice you've been active in the recent vaccine threads lately rofl.

Bronbron23

09-07-2021, 07:00 PM

:cheers:

Btw, i notice you've been active in the recent vaccine threads lately rofl.

Hahaha yeah i usually ignore the non bball threads but i thought i'd jump in for a sec.

Mask the Embiid

09-07-2021, 07:17 PM

I can only name the people I seen. Jordan, lebron, and shaq…no brainers theirs peak are far above everyone else I seen.The next 2 are tough….hmmmm idk maybe curry? I don’t feel like thinking this hard I’ll just go with the first 3 I named

Stephonit

09-07-2021, 11:46 PM

Yea sure LeBron's conference was weaker, but so was the 80s west. What about the pre merger and lack of integration in the 60s? Or the lower quality centers in the 00s? Your argument penalizes guys like Shaq, Russell, Wilt & Magic. Nearly half of the top 10 and players ALL ranked higher than Curry.

In both those finals, LeBron clearly outperformed Curry. So even if you wanted to make your flawed conference argument, LeBron maintained his level play when it mattered most. Your stance would make sense if someone wanted to prop LeBron's finals appearances. We're talking about individual play though.

I don't necessarily rank those guys you mentioned higher than Curry. If they played against weaker opposition what you expect to see is dominance. Which they did—but in a manner superior to Curry? That I do not find clear at all. What you guys fail to realize is that Curry is a very strong contender for top 10 player ever. Maybe even higher. Curry for me is a superior player than Bron and you guys are arguing Bron's a top 2 player!

I do not agree that LeBron clearly outperformed Curry. What LeBron did was take up more of the work for his team which is admirable but doesn't mean he is better. If it was better it would lead to better overall performance which it has not. A useful concept that might apply is that of crowding out. A government for example with fiat money can theoretically spend a limitless amount, but that does not lead to a better economy. Part of the reason is it crowds out the usually more nimble private sector. The government ends up choosing who gets contracts even if they are inferior instead of letting private sector competition do so. I see a basketball version of that happening whenever Bron or Westbrook start stat stuffing. Bron is far more efficient than Westbrook but he is not as efficient as Curry. Curry's other skills and intangibles also support superior team play. The proof is in the pudding. Team play cannot be divorced from individual play in a team game.

Lmao no.

Stephland? You're implying that there's actually a game out there of Curry dominating Cleveland in the same kind of fashion that LeBron dominated Toronto?

And keep in mind, LeBronto isn't just due to that one game. It's due to the fact that LeBron constantly dominated Toronto with ease, even in situations where you could argue Toronto had the better team (2018). Curry never did anything of the sort. His most dominant performance against them came when he wasn't even the best player on his own team. In the other two instances, he was being given fits by Cleveland's back up point guard and had one of his worst postseason performances ever the second time and blew a 3-1 series lead. Stephland is simply not a thing. It doesn't exist because it never happened.

There isn't a hype machine out there incessantly putting out dumb narratives therefore you haven't even been able to identify the series. But yes there is a perennial playoffs team that Curry has dominated even more thoroughly than Bron has the Raptors.

DevBooker'sMask

09-08-2021, 12:03 AM

Kobe 2006-2010

81 PTS
THREE straight Finals
Beat 2009 Magic that LeBron lost to
Beat 2010 Celtics that LeBron lost to

MadDog

09-08-2021, 01:09 AM

I don't necessarily rank those guys you mentioned higher than Curry. If they played against weaker opposition what you expect to see is dominance. Which they didÂ—but in a manner superior to Curry? That I do not find clear at all. What you guys fail to realize is that Curry is a very strong contender for top 10 player ever. Maybe even higher. Curry for me is a superior player than Bron and you guys are arguing Bron's a top 2 player!

ts What LeBron did was take up more of the work for his team which is admirable but doesn't mean he is better. If it was better it would lead to better overall performance which it has not. A useful concept that might apply is that of crowding out. A government for example with fiat money can theoretically spend a limitless amount, but that does not lead to a better economy. Part of the reason is it crowds out the usually more nimble private sector. The government ends up choosing who gets contracts even if they are inferior instead of letting private sector competition do so. I see a basketball version of that happening whenever Bron or Westbrook start stat stuffing. Bron is far more efficient than Westbrook but he is not as efficient as Curry. Curry's other skills and intangibles also support superior team play. The proof is in the pudding. Team play cannot be divorced from individual play in a team game.

You might be the only human on earth ranking him top 10. There isn't a single player on that list without a FMVP, which speaks to Curry's play on that stage. I also think your "crowding out" example is a poor one. In 2016 both teams were evenly matched. Do you need a memory refresher? LeBron had better box numbers, impact numbers and got the win plus a FMVP. He literally outplayed Curry, and what he did was absolutely needed.

Your example actually works better with Curry. Fast forward to 2017, where its heightened with KD who also outplayed Curry, and was GS' best 4th quarter player.

Stephonit

09-08-2021, 07:25 AM

You might be the only human on earth ranking him top 10. There isn't a single player on that list without a FMVP, which speaks to Curry's play on that stage. I also think your "crowding out" example is a poor one. In 2016 both teams were evenly matched. Do you need a memory refresher? LeBron had better box numbers, impact numbers and got the win plus a FMVP. He literally outplayed Curry, and what he did was absolutely needed.

Your example actually works better with Curry. Fast forward to 2017, where its heightened with KD who also outplayed Curry, and was GS' best 4th quarter player.

If Curry isn't on that list then that list won't contain the player that led the team with the greatest regular season wins record, playoffs record, or most efficient season ever. That list will be a joke. Just like the FMVP award is.

Curry was outplayed? Some of the same people saying Lillard is a better player. Thankfully I'm capable of making my own judgments.

RRR3

09-08-2021, 08:06 AM

RogueBorg

09-08-2021, 10:07 AM

2016 LeBron

https://i.postimg.cc/G3jt1W6p/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg

Next question.

Just one, who's -86 in Finals games?

RogueBorg

09-08-2021, 10:11 AM

How does LeBron have TWO five year peaks better than anybody?

09-13: 3xFinals, 4x MVP, 2xFMVP
16-20: 4xFinals, 2x FMVP, Assist Title, AVG Trip-Dub in Finals

We gonna act like -86 dint happen?

Bronbron23

09-08-2021, 10:40 AM

If Curry isn't on that list then that list won't contain the player that led the team with the greatest regular season wins record, playoffs record, or most efficient season ever. That list will be a joke. Just like the FMVP award is.

Curry was outplayed? Some of the same people saying Lillard is a better player. Thankfully I'm capable of making my own judgments.

If you don't think curry got outplayed in 16 finals this conversation isn't an honest one. It wasn't even close.

Now your regular sesson argument is a legit one. Curry was an alien during the regular season and it was some of the best and most exciting basketball i've ever seen. It really was special. The question becomes though how much is regular season achievements and success worth compared to post season and especially the finals where basketball is usually at its toughest? Iand alot of people place way more importance on that than you and others may and this why i can't put curry top 10.

Plus most if not all yhe players in the top 10 heavily impact the game in more than one way. Steph really only impacts the game scoring wise.

Stephonit

09-08-2021, 04:12 PM

If you don't think curry got outplayed in 16 finals this conversation isn't an honest one. It wasn't even close.

Now your regular sesson argument is a legit one. Curry was an alien during the regular season and it was some of the best and most exciting basketball i've ever seen. It really was special. The question becomes though how much is regular season achievements and success worth compared to post season and especially the finals where basketball is usually at its toughest? Iand alot of people place way more importance on that than you and others may and this why i can't put curry top 10.

Plus most if not all yhe players in the top 10 heavily impact the game in more than one way. Steph really only impacts the game scoring wise.

Curry got so severely outplayed in the 2016 finals—that the Cavaliers were only able to triumph with league intervention and the Warriors down a starter for the last 3 games in a series that was only decided in the last moments of a 7-game series. Somehow this story you tell doesn't jibe with the result.

That seems to be a common theme for all these interpretations of Curry that float around.

Curry only a regular season performer? He's been to the finals 5 straight times coming from the tougher Western Conference. He's a top 10 scorer all-time for a career in the finals. He led the team with the best playoffs record ever. These stories told are laughable to anyone not stuck in the marketing machine and who exercises any degree of objectivity.

Curry only affecting the game one way is another humdinger. Curry affects the game in a multitude of ways. Indeed probably more than others. His off ball and indirect actions cause a wider variety of disruption than just about any other player.

bizil

09-08-2021, 06:04 PM

That I saw as it happened: MJ, Bron, Shaq, Magic, Bird (I didn't see a peak Kareem. Saw him backend prime.)

Overall: MJ, Wilt, Shaq, Bron, Kareem

Basically what this shows is the two most valuable types of players in NBA history are centers who can dominate the paint on both ends of the court. And perimeter players 6'5 and up who can play a minimum of three positions at a great level. Plus they have the combo of great scoring and great all around ability.

Even when u look at guys who are deserving to be in a top 5-10 peak convo like Kobe, Oscar, KD, Duncan (PF-C type), Admiral, Hakeem, Moses, etc., they fall into that group. The positionless 7 foot type of player like a KG, Giannis, and AD over the evolution of the game should pick up steam. But Steph, D Wade, West, and Isiah deserve a shout up for their dominance at 6'4 and under! Barkley does too for his uniqueness at the 4 spot!

Bronbron23

09-08-2021, 07:27 PM

Curry got so severely outplayed in the 2016 finals—that the Cavaliers were only able to triumph with league intervention and the Warriors down a starter for the last 3 games in a series that was only decided in the last moments of a 7-game series. Somehow this story you tell doesn't jibe with the result.

That seems to be a common theme for all these interpretations of Curry that float around.

Curry only a regular season performer? He's been to the finals 5 straight times coming from the tougher Western Conference. He's a top 10 scorer all-time for a career in the finals. He led the team with the best playoffs record ever. These stories told are laughable to anyone not stuck in the marketing machine and who exercises any degree of objectivity.

Curry only affecting the game one way is another humdinger. Curry affects the game in a multitude of ways. Indeed probably more than others. His off ball and indirect actions cause a wider variety of disruption than just about any other player.

Why do attribute any of that to curry? Did u watch the series? It was a low scoring defensive series for the most part. If anything he hurt them that series.

And curry absolutely only effects the game scoring wise. Sure his presence allows others to be open because of the attention he gets but most greats have this impact. The difference being they usually impact the other half of the game also or they're elite in anything area like magic and his passing.

Curry is sick dude but he doesn't belong on the same tier as mj and bron. He's a tier below those guys.

BigShotBob

09-08-2021, 08:12 PM

it's crazy how every new method they use to crunch the numbers shows MJ is #1 - PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48, RAPTOR

This is pretty crazy. Especially when you consider that he doesn't have the benefit of hindsight and analyzing optimal play styles.

Stephonit

09-09-2021, 12:46 AM

Why do attribute any of that to curry? Did u watch the series? It was a low scoring defensive series for the most part. If anything he hurt them that series.

And curry absolutely only effects the game scoring wise. Sure his presence allows others to be open because of the attention he gets but most greats have this impact. The difference being they usually impact the other half of the game also or they're elite in anything area like magic and his passing.

Curry is sick dude but he doesn't belong on the same tier as mj and bron. He's a tier below those guys.

A low scoring defensive series is exactly the kind of series in which a quick flurry of points can decide matters quickly. Saying Curry only affects the game scoring-wise is like saying Mike Tyson's uppercut only affected a boxing match when it landed. Most greats do not stretch the floor from beyond the 3-point line. Curry is up there with anyone ever in terms of playmaking. Curry can do what Magic did; Magic could not do what Curry can.

Bronbron23

09-09-2021, 02:32 PM

A low scoring defensive series is exactly the kind of series in which a quick flurry of points can decide matters quickly. Saying Curry only affects the game scoring-wise is like saying Mike Tyson's uppercut only affected a boxing match when it landed. Most greats do not stretch the floor from beyond the 3-point line. Curry is up there with anyone ever in terms of playmaking. Curry can do what Magic did; Magic could not do what Curry can.

Curry could not do what magic did dude. Half the time he tries fancy passes it results in a turnover and mild panic attack for steve kerr. Magic is a way better playmaker than steph but i agree steph does things magic can't also.

And in that 16 series there was very few moments where curry had a quick flurry of points that decided matters quickly. These kind of statements make me wonder if u watch the series at all. Here is steph's scoring in the 4th for that series:

Game 1: 3pts -1
Game 2: 3pts +9
Game 3: 4pts -2
Game 4: 13pts +9
Game 5: 7pts -7
Game 6: 5pts -4
Game 7: 3 pts -1

So as you can see out of 7 games there was only 1 where he was great scoring wise in the 4th so your statement kind of falls flat. Even that one good 4th quarter in game 3 was a blowout and the warriors blew them out before steph barely even scored. He scored 13 if his 18 points in 4th quarter when warriors were already up 20.

Sorry man It's a good story but it dosn't jive with reality of what happened that series.

Stephonit

09-09-2021, 11:13 PM

Curry could not do what magic did dude. Half the time he tries fancy passes it results in a turnover and mild panic attack for steve kerr. Magic is a way better playmaker than steph but i agree steph does things magic can't also.

And in that 16 series there was very few moments where curry had a quick flurry of points that decided matters quickly. These kind of statements make me wonder if u watch the series at all. Here is steph's scoring in the 4th for that series:

Game 1: 3pts -1
Game 2: 3pts +9
Game 3: 4pts -2
Game 4: 13pts +9
Game 5: 7pts -7
Game 6: 5pts -4
Game 7: 3 pts -1

So as you can see out of 7 games there was only 1 where he was great scoring wise in the 4th so your statement kind of falls flat. Even that one good 4th quarter in game 3 was a blowout and the warriors blew them out before steph barely even scored. He scored 13 if his 18 points in 4th quarter when warriors were already up 20.

Sorry man It's a good story but it dosn't jive with reality of what happened that series.

I believe that guy behind Thinking Basketball in his analysis of Magic Johnson concluded he turned over the ball about as often as Curry.

https://backpicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Nash-Big-4-PS.png

Notice that at least according to that chart Magic is inferior to Curry in all 4 aspects covered.

Those 2016 final scoring numbers say little of Curry's overall effect. Whether Curry scored in a given instance is immaterial to the knowledge that he is capable of doing so. That potential has an effect whether it is realized or not.

Axe

09-09-2021, 11:55 PM

All these shit about stephen curry having a fantastic peak yet his finals mvp count remains at zero. :(

Stephonit

09-10-2021, 12:48 AM

All these shit about stephen curry having a fantastic peak yet his finals mvp count remains at zero. :(

Among the greatest ever it is a more exclusive club. Shows they weren't given preferential treatment or a marketing bonus and put team play first.

Axe

09-10-2021, 10:06 AM

Among the greatest ever it is a more exclusive club. Shows they weren't given preferential treatment or a marketing bonus and put team play first.
History showed to us all that your hero is the only mvp who uniquely blew a 3-1 lead in the finals. The fact that he did so with a 70-plus win team just makes it even more embarrassing.

Stephonit

09-10-2021, 10:35 AM

History showed to us all that your hero is the only mvp who uniquely blew a 3-1 lead in the finals. The fact that he did so with a 70-plus win team just makes it even more embarrassing.

Maybe he is the only one because MVPs that make the finals aren't as common as you think. Indeed the last MVP to make the finals the same year was—wait for it—one Stephen Curry. MVPs that make the finals with a 70-win team are rarer still.

But that's another one of the idiotic spins employed when it comes to these Curry narratives aimed at dissing him. His failures are actually better than some of the greatest achievements of other superstars.

Axe

09-10-2021, 10:45 AM

Maybe he is the only one because MVPs that make the finals aren't as common as you think. Indeed the last MVP to make the finals the same year was—wait for it—one Stephen Curry. MVPs that make the finals with a 70-win team are rarer still.
Lol maybe you should realize that james harden would have been that guy if cp3 didn't go down during the 2018 wcf when the rockets were leading 3-2 that time.

But that's another one of the idiotic spins employed when it comes to these Curry narratives aimed at dissing him. His failures are actually better than some of the greatest achievements of other superstars.
Huh? So i guess having no iconic moments in the playoffs so far is one of them too lmfao.

Stephonit

09-10-2021, 10:51 AM

Lol maybe you should realize that james harden would have been that guy if cp3 didn't go down during the 2018 wcf when the rockets were leading 3-2 that time.

Huh? So i guess having no iconic moments in the playoffs so far is one of them too lmfao.

Iconic moments for other players for Curry is Curry just being Curry. Curry's a cheat code. PCTSD is also a thing. Notice how you completely blocked out the memory of Curry eliminating Harden and CP3 when the roles were reversed the following year.

ShawkFactory

09-10-2021, 10:53 AM

Iconic moments for other players for Curry is Curry just being Curry. Curry's a cheat code. PCTSD is also a thing. Notice how you completely blocked out the memory of Curry eliminating Harden and CP3 when the roles were reversed the following year.

You talking about the series KD scored 33 a game and Curry did 24?

Axe

09-10-2021, 10:56 AM

Iconic moments for other players for Curry is Curry just being Curry. Curry's a cheat code. PCTSD is also a thing. Notice how you completely blocked out the memory of Curry eliminating Harden and CP3 when the roles were reversed the following year.
I mean you do realize the league mvp from two years ago doesn't belong to a team competing in the west, right? :lol

And no, it isn't iconic if you have four other 2018 all-star teammates in the lineup.

Stephonit

09-10-2021, 10:56 AM

You talking about the series KD scored 33 a game and Curry did 24?

The series that was virtually tied with KD but which the Warriors won out when he got injured and Curry took over? Yeah that one.

ShawkFactory

09-10-2021, 11:00 AM

The series that was virtually tied with KD but which the Warriors won out when he got injured and Curry took over? Yeah that one.

You’re a lost cause

Stephonit

09-10-2021, 11:42 AM

You’re a lost cause

Is scoring 16 points in the 14 minutes remaining in the game after KD got injured and then 33 points in the clinching game not enough of a contribution to count?

j3lademaster

09-10-2021, 01:12 PM

ShawkFactory

09-10-2021, 02:18 PM

Is scoring 16 points in the 14 minutes remaining in the game after KD got injured and then 33 points in the clinching game not enough of a contribution to count?

Who said he didn't contribute?

ELITEpower23

09-10-2021, 02:34 PM

Crazy how LeBron has TWO five year peaks better than anybody else.

09-13: 3xFinals, 4x MVP, 2xFMVP

16-20: 4xFinals, 2x FMVP, Assist Title, AVG Trip-Dub in Finals

Manny98

09-10-2021, 03:19 PM

Crazy how LeBron has TWO five year peaks better than anybody else.

09-13: 3xFinals, 4x MVP, 2xFMVP

16-20: 4xFinals, 2x FMVP, Assist Title, AVG Trip-Dub in Finals
2011 alone dismisses LeBron from having the GOAT 5 year peak

SaintzFury13

09-10-2021, 05:15 PM

Maybe he is the only one because MVPs that make the finals aren't as common as you think. Indeed the last MVP to make the finals the same year was—wait for it—one Stephen Curry. MVPs that make the finals with a 70-win team are rarer still.

And an MVP on a 70 win team failing to win the NBA finals is something we'll probably never see again in our lifetime.

So, congrats on that I guess?

ELITEpower23

09-10-2021, 05:39 PM

2011 alone dismisses LeBron from having the GOAT 5 year peak

No.

Next

SaintzFury13

09-10-2021, 05:42 PM

No.

Next

Actually, he does have a point.

When you compare 2011 with any of the other four years in that period, it simply doesn't come close to comparing. This was the year where LeBron's dominance fell off as he was on a new team with a new role where it was clear his and Wade's styles were clashing. And then of course there's the 2011 Finals. LeBron was insanely good in those other four years, especially 2013, but 2011 stands out so much that it's hard to ignore it.

ELITEpower23

09-10-2021, 06:01 PM

Actually, he does have a point.

When you compare 2011 with any of the other four years in that period, it simply doesn't come close to comparing. This was the year where LeBron's dominance fell off as he was on a new team with a new role where it was clear his and Wade's styles were clashing. And then of course there's the 2011 Finals. LeBron was insanely good in those other four years, especially 2013, but 2011 stands out so much that it's hard to ignore it.

Nope.

2011 was a bad Finals loss. Downgrade it to a 1st round sweep if you'd like :confusedshrug:

You'd still have a killer 4 years

SaintzFury13

09-10-2021, 07:29 PM

Nope.

2011 was a bad Finals loss. Downgrade it to a 1st round sweep if you'd like :confusedshrug:

You'd still have a killer 4 years

Okay? So give me one year in Jordan's best five year peak span that has something as bad as 2011.

ELITEpower23

09-10-2021, 11:44 PM

Okay? So give me one year in Jordan's best five year peak span that has something as bad as 2011.

I could've sworn we're doing five year peaks, not one year peaks? Let's stay on topic.

"Rank the highest 5 years peaks ever"

09-13 LBJ
16-20 LBJ

kuniva_dAMiGhTy

09-10-2021, 11:52 PM

OnStephsDick is one deranged fanboy. :lol

Curry is one of my favorite players ever, and I was rooting for GSW back in 16. But, Lebron outplayed him in basically every imaginable way.

It isn't up for debate either.

Stephonit

09-11-2021, 02:02 AM

And an MVP on a 70 win team failing to win the NBA finals is something we'll probably never see again in our lifetime.

So, congrats on that I guess?

Congratulations accepted. If that's the best bit of faint praise you can come up with and worst you can say about him during a period he also led a team to three consecutive 67-win seasons, beat the rest of the All-NBA First Team in a playoffs run and the two adjacent MVPs playing against him at the same time in a playoffs series that is mighty high praise. When was the last time any of those other occurrences happened? We may never see it again in our lifetime.

Axe

09-11-2021, 04:03 AM

SaintzFury13

09-11-2021, 08:48 PM

I could've sworn we're doing five year peaks, not one year peaks? Let's stay on topic.

"Rank the highest 5 years peaks ever"

09-13 LBJ
16-20 LBJ

We are. The entire point of comparing a five year peak is to compare them as a whole. If there is an individual year that stands out negatively, that kind of hurts the entire 5 year run. And 16-20 features LeBron barely playing defense for most of it. Again, none of these compare to Jordan's best peak, despite how great they are.

SaintzFury13

09-11-2021, 08:54 PM

Congratulations accepted. If that's the best bit of faint praise you can come up with and worst you can say about him during a period he also led a team to three consecutive 67-win seasons, beat the rest of the All-NBA First Team in a playoffs run and the two adjacent MVPs playing against him at the same time in a playoffs series that is mighty high praise. When was the last time any of those other occurrences happened? We may never see it again in our lifetime.

-He literally does nothing great outside of scoring. You take that attribute away from him and he is nothing special as a player.
-He is probably the only player in NBA history to have multiple MVP awards and still clearly not be the best player in the NBA in either of those occasions.
-Completely folded under pressure in the 2016 NBA Finals and blew a 3-1 lead against an inferior team.
-If it wasn't for Durant, he would be a one time champion remembered for one of the biggest choke jobs of all time.
-His fellow splash brother has to cover up for his defense because he is incapable of holding his own at that end.

Do you want me to keep saying bad things about him or should I stop there?

Stephonit

09-11-2021, 10:33 PM

-He literally does nothing great outside of scoring. You take that attribute away from him and he is nothing special as a player.
-He is probably the only player in NBA history to have multiple MVP awards and still clearly not be the best player in the NBA in either of those occasions.
-Completely folded under pressure in the 2016 NBA Finals and blew a 3-1 lead against an inferior team.
-If it wasn't for Durant, he would be a one time champion remembered for one of the biggest choke jobs of all time.
-His fellow splash brother has to cover up for his defense because he is incapable of holding his own at that end.

Do you want me to keep saying bad things about him or should I stop there?

Your first comment is absolutely ridiculous. Take away the height of the greatest big men in history and they're nothing special either. Take away the athleticism of the others and they are nothing special too. That you have to resort to such chicanery is indicative of how great Curry really is. Curry's greatness more than others is based on skill.

Curry has been the player in the NBA since 2015. That you and others cannot see or accept that and would rather tie yourselves in illogical knots to convince yourself otherwise is your failing not his. I wonder what you would have thought of Russell especially if he was shorter.

Curry was facing adverse circumstances in 2016 but yeah let's compare that to the low points of other players for comparison. Pick three others and tell me how their low points were better than Curry's 2016.

We don't know what would have happened if KD didn't join the Warriors but what we do know is that Curry has won a championship with a bunch of finals first-timers and set records without KD. KD on the other hand hasn't won a championship yet without Curry despite playing with MVPs. Saying Curry couldn't win without KD therefore is flat out false.

Sure Klay helps Curry, but isn't that what teammates in a team game are for? Care to name the players that led a team to championship that had a weaker supporting player as their primary backup?

Axe

09-11-2021, 10:38 PM

Your first comment is absolutely ridiculous. Take away the height of the greatest big men in history and they're nothing special either. Take away the athleticism of the others and they are nothing special too. That you have to resort to such chicanery is indicative of how great Curry really is. Curry's greatness more than others is based on skill.

Curry has been the player in the NBA since 2015. That you and others cannot see or accept that and would rather tie yourselves in illogical knots to convince yourself otherwise is your failing not his. I wonder what you would have thought of Russell especially if he was shorter.

Curry was facing adverse circumstances in 2016 but yeah let's compare that to the low points of other players for comparison. Pick three others and tell me how their low points were better than Curry's 2016.

We don't know what would have happened if KD didn't join the Warriors but what we do know is that Curry has won a championship with a bunch of finals first-timers and set records without KD. KD on the other hand hasn't won a championship yet without Curry despite playing with MVPs. Saying Curry couldn't win without KD therefore is flat out false.

Sure Klay helps Curry, but isn't that what teammates in a team game are for? Care to name the players that led a team to championship that had a weaker supporting player as their primary backup?
Oh really? What happened in the most recent season without klay then? 9th seed at best after averaging almost 40 points in b2b losses during the play ins aka losers bracket, oops. :ohwell:

Stephonit

09-11-2021, 10:41 PM

Oh really? What happened in the most recent season without klay then? 9th seed at best after averaging almost 40 points in b2b losses during the play ins aka losers bracket, oops. :ohwell:

With a team that was dead last the previous year without him to one that had a 54% winning record? Do tell of other instances where that has happened. To deny him a playoffs berth the rules had to be changed beforehand.

Axe

09-11-2021, 10:44 PM

With a team that was dead last the previous year without him? To deny him a playoffs berth the rules had to be changed beforehand.
Reasons. He quit in the first few games of that season after he found himself on a culture shock which involved klay not playing for that whole year.

Stephonit

09-11-2021, 10:57 PM

Reasons. He quit in the first few games of that season after he found himself on a culture shock which involved klay not playing for that whole year.

If there was anything to note there it was that his own team was sabotaging chances of winning by preventing him from coming back early and then saddling him with a rookie to develop who produced some of the worst metrics of the past decade from a player who got significant minutes.

Axe

09-11-2021, 11:15 PM

If there was anything to note there it was that his own team was sabotaging chances of winning by preventing him from coming back early and then saddling him with a rookie to develop who produced some of the worst metrics of the past decade from a player who got significant minutes.
Oh sure, it was their fault that he still isn't a clutch playoff performer and that he's usually limited to making long-range buzzer beaters during ongoing quarters of games. :rolleyes:

Stephonit

09-11-2021, 11:33 PM

Oh sure, it was their fault that he still isn't a clutch playoff performer and that he's usually limited to making long-range buzzer beaters during ongoing quarters of games. :rolleyes:

A guy who led a team back from double digits down at the half in game 6 and game 7 elimination games is more of a clutch playoff performer than much of what passes for clutch around here.

Axe

09-11-2021, 11:40 PM

A guy who led a team back from double digits down at the half in game 6 and game 7 elimination games is more of a clutch playoff performer than much of what passes for clutch around here.
Nice try but klay says ehem tho.

Stephonit

09-11-2021, 11:47 PM

Nice try but klay says ehem tho.

Klay only does Game 6s not Game 7s. Curry does em all.

Axe

09-12-2021, 12:13 AM

Klay only does Game 6s not Game 7s. Curry does em all.
Without klay tho, 9th seed at best after b2b losses in the 2021 losers bracket.

Stephonit

09-12-2021, 02:16 AM

Without klay tho, 9th seed at best after b2b losses in the 2021 losers bracket.

Still waiting for you to name another player who did better with a team that finished 30th and dead last the previous season.

Axe

09-12-2021, 10:14 AM

Still waiting for you to name another player who did better with a team that finished 30th and dead last the previous season.
Lol d-wade aka the flash took the miami heat from a 15-win team in 2008 to a 43-win team in 2009. While he missed around almost 40% of that rs games, he was hampered by knee injuries numerous times to the point that his team inevitably ended up with the same record as their inaugural season. Also in 2009, he even became the scoring champion that same year while the heat finished as the fifth seed, facing the fourth seed atlanta hawks in the first round. They took them to seven games before losing the series. That is unlike your hero, who lost against the 'insignificant player' lebron aka king kong and the clumsy ja morant in the losers bracket earlier this year.