Wade & Kyrie > Klay.. So why was another man winning 70 w/ dynasty on Lebron's watch?

[3ba11]

Imagine if the 90's Sonics or Jazz were winning the most games instead of the Bulls - that would be on JORDAN.

And casual fans simply go along with the narrative the media wants them to follow - i.e. the Cavs were so uncompetitive in the 2017 Finals that everyone acted like Lebron didn't have his own super-team and was carrying bums - but he actually had his own super-team and it should've been a highly-competitive meeting of 2 dominant super-team dynasties, like the 80's Celtics/Lakers.

But unfortunately, Lebron's skill restriction to frontcourt ball-dominance (so he can't use the best strategy of ball movement) yields underwhelming teams and can't produce dynasties regardless of cast, coach, or odds.

[RRR3]

LeBron brutalized Kobe 16-6 head to head.

[000]

Wow, I just remembered Curry won the most games ever on Lebron James' watch. What a goat that little guy is, right?

[3ba11]

Wow, I just remembered Curry won the most games ever on Lebron James' watch. What a goat that little guy is, right?


Imagine if the 90's Sonics or Jazz were winning the most games instead of the Bulls - that would be on JORDAN.

And that's what happens with Lebron - he can't employ the best strategy (ball movement) because he's a frontcourt ball-dominator, so his teams don't win the most games despite having the best talent..

His 2017 super-team was considered a bad cast because they won a pathetic 53 games, so they were big underdogs to the Warriors despite Kyrie > Curry on the Finals level, while Love/Klay are comparable

[000]

Imagine if the 90's Sonics or Jazz were winning the most games instead of the Bulls - that would be on JORDAN.

Yeah. Or if the Suns or Knicks were doing so, that would be hella embarrassing.

[Bronbron23]

Imagine if the 90's Sonics or Jazz were winning the most games instead of the Bulls - that would be on JORDAN.

And casual fans simply go along with the narrative the media wants them to follow - i.e. the Cavs were so uncompetitive in the 2017 Finals that everyone acted like Lebron didn't have his own super-team and was carrying bums - but he actually had his own super-team and it should've been a highly-competitive meeting of 2 dominant super-team dynasties, like the 80's Celtics/Lakers.

But unfortunately, Lebron's skill restriction to frontcourt ball-dominance (so he can't use the best strategy of ball movement) yields underwhelming teams and can't produce dynasties regardless of cast, coach, or odds.

Kyrie isn't better than klay. Prime wade was but year 12 and 13 wafe weren't better than year 15 klay

[3ba11]

Kyrie isn't better than klay. Prime wade was but year 12 and 13 wafe weren't better than year 15 klay


Kyrie destroys Klay - see the 2016 Finals, 2017 Finals, and career stats or accolades

And Wade is obviously better too...

Lebron-ball simply doesn't use the best strategy (ball movement), so there's no dynasty regardless of super-team talent... That's why he's 4/10 and inferior to Jordan - his ball-dominant skillset doesn't allow the best team strategy.

[Hey Yo]

The Bulls winning 55gms and going 7gms with the NYK in the ECSF....not on MJ's watch... is a much worse look.

[SaintzFury13]

Kyrie's not better than Klay. Stop being a moron.

[3ba11]

Kyrie's not better than Klay. Stop being a moron.


Kyrie is an elite #1 option and Klay is a 2nd option, while Kyrie is better than Klay based on the 2016 Finals, 2017 Finals or careers stats and accolades..

Even if they were even-steven, Lebron should get knocked for having a super-team but letting another man have a better team and dynasty on his watch

[3ba11]

The Bulls winning 55gms and going 7gms with the NYK in the ECSF....not on MJ's watch... is a much worse look.


Going from a 3-peat to the Knicks' bitch makes MJ look bad?... :biggums:

It literally confirms that the 3-peat strategy/system aren't good without MJ

They were nothing in 95' after getting exposed in the 94' Playoffs and the 3-peat luster GONE

[Hey Yo]

A 7ppg LeBron teammate would have never taken FMVP votes away from him like MJ did.

Much worse look for Jordan.

[Hey Yo]

Going from a 3-peat to the Knicks' bitch makes MJ look bad?... :biggums:

It literally confirms that the 3-peat strategy/system aren't good without MJ

They were nothing in 95' after getting exposed in the 94' Playoffs and the 3-peat luster GONE

MJ was replaced in the starting lineup by a 6th round pick journeyman who was out of the league for a few years before getting the call. Replace LeBron with Pete Myers production and theirs no chance they get to game 7 of the 2nd round.

Another bad look for Jordan

[3ba11]

MJ was replaced in the starting lineup by a 6th round pick journeyman who was out of the league for a few years before getting the call. Replace LeBron with Pete Myers production and theirs no chance they get to game 7 of the 2nd round.

Another bad look for Jordan


Lebron's teams would win if they were running a perfectly-run triangle, especially if they were defending 3-peat champs.

But Lebron's teams run a shit brand - they play a ball-dominator offense without the ball-dominator = losses and sucking.. And btw, Lebron's teams collapse because he's a team-hopper and team-hoppers destroy franchises

Ultimately, those Bulls won 55 because they had 3-peat system and swagger.. But the bubble burst in those playoffs and they were nothing after that (reality set in)

[Bronbron23]

Kyrie destroys Klay - see the 2016 Finals, 2017 Finals, and career stats or accolades

And Wade is obviously better too...

Lebron-ball simply doesn't use the best strategy (ball movement), so there's no dynasty regardless of super-team talent... That's why he's 4/10 and inferior to Jordan - his ball-dominant skillset doesn't allow the best team strategy.

Just because kyrie gave klay the buisness when klay gaurded him it dosn't mean kyriw is better. For one kyrie didn't gaurd klay so who knows what klay would of done if he was. Second it's about who's better against the league as a whole. Imo klay is a better player. He's almost as offensively but he's way better defensively.

[3ba11]

Klay is almost as good offensively but he's way better defensively.





Based on that logic, lots of guys are better than Lebron, like Giannis or Kawhi

weaker scorers like Klay or Pippen need expensive scorers to surround and carry them, while great offensive players like Kyrie/Curry can be surrounded by cheaper defenders.. That's why Kyrie/Curry have been on #1 defensive teams and that's why individual defense means little when comparing individuals - only TEAM defense matters and great offensive players actually make the construction of a good defensive team easier.

[tpols]

Teams with poor ball movement never reach that 70 win dynasty level. To be that dominant you need talent and ball movement / great fit.

You can't have great fit or ball movement if one guy is spam dribbling the ball and forcing other stars to accommodate and devalue their games to suit said individual.

[Hey Yo]

Lebron's teams would win if they were running a perfectly-run triangle, especially if they were defending 3-peat champs.

But Lebron's teams run a shit brand - they play a ball-dominator offense without the ball-dominator = losses and sucking.. And btw, Lebron's teams collapse because he's a team-hopper and team-hoppers destroy franchises

Ultimately, those Bulls won 55 because they had 3-peat system and swagger.. But the bubble burst in those playoffs and they were nothing after that (reality set in)

In 1993, MJ avg 33ppg and his replacement the following season avg. 8ppg.

So those 94 Bulls won only 2 less games than the previous season while getting 25ppg less at SG. The mere fact they took NYK to 7gms in the 2nd round is nothing short of amazing.

Not a good look for MJ

[tpols]

Kyrie isn't better than klay. Prime wade was but year 12 and 13 wafe weren't better than year 15 klay

Kyrie destroyed Klay in all of their matchups. Especially 2016. Klay was the primary defender on Kyrie when he did this.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClArCksWQAQ_EqP.jpg

And on the other side of the ball Klay shit the bed on offense.

It amazes me how we can have guys play each other, one side kills the other, and then people say the guy who got killed was better. Reminds me of when Dirk sonned KG in the playoffs in the early 2000s... and we all saw it... but if we do your little breakdown KG would be >>> Dirk because he was more well rounded. Didn't work out in reality. Might as well say Gary Payton is better than Charles Barkley and Pippen is better than Magic.

The logic doesn't check out though when you see them play each other.

[SaintzFury13]

Kyrie is an elite #1 option and Klay is a 2nd option, while Kyrie is better than Klay based on the 2016 Finals, 2017 Finals or careers stats and accolades..

Even if they were even-steven, Lebron should get knocked for having a super-team but letting another man have a better team and dynasty on his watch

Kyrie is such an elite number one option that he couldn't even get his team above .500 before LeBron came into town.

Klay on the other hand is better on both ends of the floor and already owns more records than Irving.


Lebron's teams would win if they were running a perfectly-run triangle, especially if they were defending 3-peat champs.

You really need to learn how the sport of basketball works.

[Phoenix]

The Bulls didn't have the best record for 3 of their championships

91(Portland won 63)

93( Phoenix won 62 and the Knicks won 60)

98 ( Jazz won 62 and had the HCA, I suppose you could say if Pippen didn't miss significant time they'd have the best record but shit happens)

[Manny98]

Klay is not better than Kyrie wtf are y'all smoking :oldlol:

[SaintzFury13]

Kyrie destroyed Klay in all of their matchups. Especially 2016. Klay was the primary defender on Kyrie when he did this.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClArCksWQAQ_EqP.jpg

And on the other side of the ball Klay shit the bed on offense.

It amazes me how we can have guys play each other, one side kills the other, and then people say the guy who got killed was better. Reminds me of when Dirk sonned KG in the playoffs in the early 2000s... and we all saw it... but if we do your little breakdown KG would be >>> Dirk because he was more well rounded. Didn't work out in reality. Might as well say Gary Payton is better than Charles Barkley and Pippen is better than Magic.

The logic doesn't check out though when you see them play each other.

You're acting like Kyrie did this all series. He didn't. In fact Kyrie had one of his worst playoff performances of all time in that very same series in game 2 when he put up 10 points on 35% shooting from the field. In the previous game? 23 points on 31% shooting from the field. Game 6 of the three game span which Cleveland won to comeback in that series? 39% shooting from the field which resulted in 23 points.

Stop trying to paint a narrative based off of one game. That simply isn't what happened.

Also, and I think any anti-LeBron person would agree, LeBron would have LOVED to have had a second option like Klay Thompson on his team instead of Irving. An all time great catch and shoot three point shooter who plays elite defense? You can bet your ass he'd take that in a heartbeat over Irving.

[SaintzFury13]

Klay is not better than Kyrie wtf are y'all smoking :oldlol:

You think KD was better than LeBron in 2014. You have no room to talk on the matter.

[Manny98]

You think KD was better than LeBron in 2014. You have no room to talk on the matter.
Get off LeBrons nuts dude

[Manny98]

Kyrie destroyed Klay in all of their matchups. Especially 2016. Klay was the primary defender on Kyrie when he did this.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClArCksWQAQ_EqP.jpg

And on the other side of the ball Klay shit the bed on offense.

It amazes me how we can have guys play each other, one side kills the other, and then people say the guy who got killed was better. Reminds me of when Dirk sonned KG in the playoffs in the early 2000s... and we all saw it... but if we do your little breakdown KG would be >>> Dirk because he was more well rounded. Didn't work out in reality. Might as well say Gary Payton is better than Charles Barkley and Pippen is better than Magic.

The logic doesn't check out though when you see them play each other.
Klays better tho :lol

Dumbest shit I have heard in a while, Kyrie is literally a tier above Klay Thompson

[SaintzFury13]

Get off LeBrons nuts dude

Acknowledging something that is painfully obvious isn't being on someone's nuts. Stop being ass hurt that LeBron was always better than your hero.

[tpols]

You're acting like Kyrie did this all series. He didn't. In fact Kyrie had one of his worst playoff performances of all time in that very same series in game 2 when he put up 10 points on 35% shooting from the field. In the previous game? 23 points on 31% shooting from the field. Game 6 of the three game span which Cleveland won to comeback in that series? 39% shooting from the field which resulted in 23 points.

Stop trying to paint a narrative based off of one game. That simply isn't what happened.

Also, and I think any anti-LeBron person would agree, LeBron would have LOVED to have had a second option like Klay Thompson on his team instead of Irving. An all time great catch and shoot three point shooter who plays elite defense? You can bet your ass he'd take that in a heartbeat over Irving.

Nice cherrypick. You must be new.

Klay averaged 19/3/1 on 42% shooting and 35% from 3 in the 2016 Finals. While getting torched on the other end ~ Kyrie averaged 27/4/4 on 46% shooting and 41% from 3pt range.

Total decimation. So no... Lebron easily loses with Klays production compared to Kyries.

This is why this site is so funny. A guy can get destroyed... And there will ALWAYS be idiots to say the opposite. And they can't change their minds because the ego is latched to their prior stance in the face of any evidence.

[Manny98]

What's Klays argument please let us know

Better scorer - Kyrie, Klay has never averaged 25ppg or prices he can carry on offense without Curry

Better playmaker - Kyrie

Better shot creator - Kyrie not even close

All Klay has is defense, literally that's it and his defense is overrated

Advanced stats Kyrie literally shits on Klay

Kyrie massively outplayed Klay in both finals they went against each other as well

[SouBeachTalents]

And they can't change their minds because the ego is latched to their prior stance in the face of any evidence.
Sounds like you with LeBron & Kobe

[Bronbron23]

Based on that logic, lots of guys are better than Lebron, like Giannis or Kawhi

weaker scorers like Klay or Pippen need expensive scorers to surround and carry them, while great offensive players like Kyrie/Curry can be surrounded by cheaper defenders.. That's why Kyrie/Curry have been on #1 defensive teams and that's why individual defense means little when comparing individuals - only TEAM defense matters and great offensive players actually make the construction of a good defensive team easier.

Nah man both klay and pip proved they can lead a team to playoff success. Maybe that can't win it all as the man but they can be very good.

[Bronbron23]

What's Klays argument please let us know

Better scorer - Kyrie, Klay has never averaged 25ppg or prices he can carry on offense without Curry

Better playmaker - Kyrie

Better shot creator - Kyrie not even close

All Klay has is defense, literally that's it and his defense is overrated

Advanced stats Kyrie literally shits on Klay

Kyrie massively outplayed Klay in both finals they went against each other as well

Well defense for one. Intelligence for seconds. Sports is 70% mental and its fair to say klay is a bit smarter than Kyrie.if anything Kyrie's brain hurts him. Third is off ball movement. Klay is one of the goat off ball movers.
Oh and clearly klay is the better shooter.

This is a tricky subject because clearly kyrie is the better indiual talent and player but i'd rather have klay as my second all day long and i'm sure most players, gms execs would also.

[Manny98]

Well defense for one. Intelligence for seconds. Sports is 70% mental and its fair to say klay is a bit smarter than Kyrie.if anything Kyrie's brain hurts him. Third is off ball movement. Klay is one of the goat off ball movers.
Oh and clearly klay is the better shooter.

This is a tricky subject because clearly kyrie is the better indiual talent and player but i'd rather have klay as my second all day long and i'm sure most players, gms execs would also.
I wouldn't even say Klay is that much better of a shooter

Kyrie is better shooting off the dribble, better from mid range and is a better free throw shooter

Klays only advantage is catch and shoot 3s

Overall i agree that Klay is more portable and can fit on any team and is less likely to cause internal drama so I could see why people would want Klay on their team over Kyrie

But as an individual talent Kyrie is clearly better

[Bronbron23]

I wouldn't even say Klay is that much better of a shooter

Kyrie is better shooting off the dribble, better from mid range and is a better free throw shooter

Klays only advantage is catch and shoot 3s

Overall i agree that Klay is more portable and can fit on any team and is less likely to cause internal drama so I could see why people would want Klay on their team over Kyrie

But as an individual talent Kyrie is clearly better

Yeah i wouldn't argue that. Kyrie is one of the greatest talents ever. My main issue with him is his attitude and intellect.

[Mauzah]

The answer is Klay but it's not a landslide like everyone here is making it out to be. KT is great system player, low key maintenance, one of the best shooters the league has ever seen with impact D.

I know it's easy to dismiss Irving because he is a headcase which does factor in the equation when comparing players but when the ball is tipped and teams are competing the match up can flip either way on any given night.

[SouBeachTalents]

Yeah i wouldn't argue that. Kyrie is one of the greatest talents ever. My main issue with him is his attitude and intellect.
Durability is his biggest issue. Dude literally struggles to stay healthy for the duration of a playoff run.

[Bronbron23]

Durability is his biggest issue. Dude literally struggles to stay healthy for the duration of a playoff run.

Yeah that to but that's probably not something he can help. He can control his brain and attitude or maybe he can't. Mental illness is real.

[k0kakw0rld]

imagine if the 90's sonics or jazz were winning the most games instead of the bulls - that would be on jordan.

And casual fans simply go along with the narrative the media wants them to follow - i.e. The cavs were so uncompetitive in the 2017 finals that everyone acted like lebron didn't have his own super-team and was carrying bums - but he actually had his own super-team and it should've been a highly-competitive meeting of 2 dominant super-team dynasties, like the 80's celtics/lakers.

But unfortunately, lebron's skill restriction to frontcourt ball-dominance (so he can't use the best strategy of ball movement) yields underwhelming teams and can't produce dynasties regardless of cast, coach, or odds.
shut the fvck up moron ... Stop posting please

[3ba11]

The answer is Klay but it's not a landslide like everyone here is making it out to be. KT is great system player, low key maintenance, one of the best shooters the league has ever seen with impact D.

I know it's easy to dismiss Irving because he is a headcase which does factor in the equation when comparing players but when the ball is tipped and teams are competing the match up can flip either way on any given night.


It's funny how assists aren't important anymore when we're comparing Kyrie/Klay, but Pippen's 5 APG makes him all-world... lol



Career Finals

Klay......... 19 on 45%

Kyrie'....... 28 on 47%

Lebron..... 28 on 48%


One of the above doesn't belong....

[8Ball]

73>72

The most regular season winning team of all time wasn't in the 90s.


The 2016 Warriors OUTPERFORMED the 96 Bulls for majority of regular season and playoffs until they ran into the GOAT called Bran.

[8Ball]

73>72

The most regular season winning team of all time wasn't in the 90s.


The 2016 Warriors OUTPERFORMED the 96 Bulls for majority of regular season and playoffs until they ran into the GOAT called Bran.

Thread Cliffs:

No other superteams in the 90s outside of 90s Bulls.

[8Ball]

73>72

The most regular season winning team of all time wasn't in the 90s.


The 2016 Warriors OUTPERFORMED the 96 Bulls for majority of regular season and playoffs until they ran into the GOAT called Bran.

https://c.tenor.com/wqnbvDqaGSEAAAAd/scared-brad-pitt.gif

[3ba11]

Thread Cliffs:

No other superteams in the 90s outside of 90s Bulls.


Thread Cliffs:

Pippen never destroyed MVP Barkley or Malone like Kyrie destroyed Curry, so all of Jordan's 6 carry-job rings > Lebron's 2016 ring (shared load with equal-scoring partner and closer Kyrie)

[ELITEpower23]

73>72

The most regular season winning team of all time wasn't in the 90s.


The 2016 Warriors OUTPERFORMED the 96 Bulls for majority of regular season and playoffs until they ran into the GOAT called Bran.


https://c.tenor.com/wqnbvDqaGSEAAAAd/scared-brad-pitt.gif

Close it up

[8Ball]

The End.


No one else.

[3ba11]

The End.


No one else.


Dwight and Baron Davis beat 67-win teams so they're better than Jordan too

That's how weak your 73-win argument is.. lol... you stan a fraud, which means YOU'RE a fraud.. lol carry on my friend

[RRR3]

Sounds like you with LeBron & Kobe
:roll:

[Axe]

73>72

The most regular season winning team of all time wasn't in the 90s.


The 2016 Warriors OUTPERFORMED the 96 Bulls for majority of regular season and playoffs until they ran into the GOAT called Bran.
Chef dingo choked and got dingo'd in 2016 by the mighty king kong.

[3ba11]

Chef dingo choked and got dingo'd in 2016 by the mighty king kong.


Nope

Kyrie was Curry's matchup

Kyrie destroyed the league MVP Curry

This is enlightening because it lets us know that Jordan's ring quality could only be reduced to Lebron's 2016 ring if Pippen destroyed MVP Barkley or Malone like Kyrie did Curry... And also if pippen matched MJ's scoring and hit the winning shot, like Kyrie matched Lebron and hit the winning shot

It's a testament to human dumbness that everyone praises Lebron's 2016 ring, even though it doesn't come close to any of MJ's.

[Axe]

Nope

Kyrie was Curry's matchup

Kyrie destroyed the league MVP Curry

This is enlightening because it lets us know that Jordan's ring quality could only be reduced to Lebron's 2016 ring if Pippen destroyed MVP Barkley or Malone like Kyrie did Curry... And also if pippen matched MJ's scoring and hit the winning shot, like Kyrie matched Lebron and hit the winning shot

It's a testament to human dumbness that everyone praises Lebron's 2016 ring, even though it doesn't come close to any of MJ's.
And either pippen or rodman got finals mvp votes in 1996.

Go figure.

[3ba11]

And either pippen or rodman got finals mvp votes in 1996.

Go figure.


I don't see your point - Jordan taught us that when someone wins 6 FMVP's, there's going to be one of them that isn't unanimous.... :confusedshrug:.

the goat shows us how it is for unprecedented things like 6 FMVP's

carry on

[outofstomach]

Kyrie's not better than Klay. Stop being a moron.

wow you’re a ****ing idiot

[SATAN]

By OP's logic LeBron lost to Kelly Oubre Jnr.

[8Ball]

73>72

The most regular season winning team of all time wasn't in the 90s.


The 2016 Warriors OUTPERFORMED the 96 Bulls for majority of regular season and playoffs until they ran into the GOAT called Bran.

No one else.

[8Ball]

wow you’re a ****ing idiot

Meltdown from the truth.

[SaintzFury13]

wow you’re a ****ing idiot

I'm a ****ing idiot for believing that a guy who is better on both ends of the floor is better than Irving.

Yeah try again. I don't care how many empty points Irving gets. He doesn't make other players better, he doesn't play well within a system and he needed the best player in the world to finally start playing winning basketball. And the Celtics played better without him.

Klay>Irving. Learn a thing or two about the sport of basketball.

[SaintzFury13]

Dwight and Baron Davis beat 67-win teams so they're better than Jordan too

When did Dwight ever beat a 67 win team?

[warriorfan]

When did Dwight ever beat a 67 win team?

….

[Wally450]

Kyrie is an elite #1 option and Klay is a 2nd option, while Kyrie is better than Klay based on the 2016 Finals, 2017 Finals or careers stats and accolades..

Even if they were even-steven, Lebron should get knocked for having a super-team but letting another man have a better team and dynasty on his watch

:roll: :roll:

Yikes!

[Manny98]

wow you’re a ****ing idiot
Dude is completely embarrassing himself in this thread

I get defense, but saying Klay Thompson is better offensively than Kyrie Irving might be one of the dumbest takes I have heard in a while

[SaintzFury13]

Dude is completely embarrassing himself in this thread

I get defense, but saying Klay Thompson is better offensively than Kyrie Irving might be one of the dumbest takes I have heard in a while

Yes because a guy who routinely shoots his teams out of games, doesn't know how to run the offense properly, and is ineffective without the ball in his hands is better on that end than one of the greatest shooters of this generation who is also one of the best off the ball players. Again, learn how the game of basketball works. There's a lot more to offense than being able to score.

[Manny98]

Yes because a guy who routinely shoots his teams out of games, doesn't know how to run the offense properly, and is ineffective without the ball in his hands is better on that end than one of the greatest shooters of this generation who is also one of the best off the ball players. Again, learn how the game of basketball works. There's a lot more to offense than being able to score.

Yep the guy who consistently ranks in the top 10 in virtually every single offensive metric ruins offenses :facepalm

Doesn't know how to run a offense yet the team he currently plays on have the greatest offense in NBA history

[hateraid]

Jordan had Pippen and Rodman you bozo, with a perfectly constructed team. And the best coach in the game. That's how they accumulated the best record.
If Lebron had Kawhi, Gobert, Klay, and Beverly with Popovich coaching he'd have the best record as well. Dumb thread.

[8Ball]

Yep the guy who consistently ranks in the top 10 in virtually every single offensive metric ruins offenses :facepalm

Doesn't know how to run a offense yet the team he currently plays on have the greatest offense in NBA history

Championship calibre teams would take healthy Klay over Kyrie any day.

[Manny98]

Championship calibre teams would take healthy Klay over Kyrie any day.

Yes but in terms of individual talent Kyrie is still easily better

[8Ball]

Kyrie may have better talent as a basketball player but Klay Thompson is a more valuable basketball player. In fact they are quite equal in talent. Kyrie doesn't play defence at all.


Every single team gets better with Klay Thompson, adding Kyrie to many teams makes them worse.

[Manny98]

Kyrie may have better talent as a basketball player but Klay Thompson is a more valuable basketball player. In fact they are quite equal in talent. Kyrie doesn't play defence at all.


Every single team gets better with Klay Thompson, adding Kyrie to many teams makes them worse.
How the **** are they equal in talent

Kyrie is literally better at every single facet at basketball outside of defense and catch and shoot 3s

Klay can barely even dribble the basketball, or create for himself or others

People want him because his off ball scoring ability compliments other superstar teammates, not for his talent and ability to carry a team