Why do people care so much that some rank Lebron over Jordan?

[hateraid]

Does it change the way you live your life?
Does it affect your friends and family?
Does it affect your career?
Does it dictate what entertains you?

If the answer is yes seek help. If it's not possible for you to function with that thought then you clearly have mental problems

Sports is all subjective. No opinion is right or wrong. The moment you claim things are definitive you should be revoked from any conversation

[Bronbron23]

Does it change the way you live your life?
Does it affect your friends and family?
Does it affect your career?
Does it dictate what entertains you?

If the answer is yes seek help. If it's not possible for you to function with that thought then you clearly have mental problems

Sports is all subjective. No opinion is right or wrong. The moment you claim things are definitive you should be revoked from any conversation

This goes either way but i agree

[3ba11]

Because the "debate" is a media creation where they pretend his super-teams are normal and not pathetic ring-chasing - ultimately, it's a travesty to say someone is on Jordans level when they're nowhere near.. It's pathetic to pretend that mostly losing Finals with super-teams compares to winning Finals without super-teams.

It's like a company blatantly lying about their profits

It isn't just statistical factors like less rings or production rate - it's INTUITIVE and factual - Lebron can't use the best team strategy (ball movement) and doesn't fit with many player types because he's a ball-dominator that lacks skill to produce off-ball.

The weaker team strategy and teammate fit result in lower team ceilings (4/10) compared to Jordans (6/6 goat ceiling)..

The lack of off-ball game stems from a lack of elite jumpshooting skill - the goat must have elite jumpshooting skill and must be able to pop off whenever he wants.. He can't be a plodding, mechanical player that can't pop off and can't command doubles/takeover whenever they want (and avoids/defers contested jumpers)

[Phoenix]

I care as much about it as I do those who rank Kareem or Russell over him for whatever one's reasons are. It's really *not* the big deal, or a deal at all really, that some zealots make it out to be.

[hateraid]

Because the "debate" is a media creation where they pretend his super-teams are normal and not pathetic ring-chasing - ultimately, it's a travesty to say someone is on Jordans level when they're nowhere near.. It's pathetic to pretend that mostly losing Finals with super-teams compares to winning Finals without super-teams.

It's like a company blatantly lying about their profits

It isn't just statistical factors like less rings or production rate - it's INTUITIVE and factual - Lebron can't use the best team strategy (ball movement) and doesn't fit with many player types because he's a ball-dominator that lacks skill to produce off-ball.

The weaker team strategy and teammate fit result in lower team ceilings (4/10) compared to Jordans (6/6 goat ceiling)..

The lack of off-ball game stems from a lack of elite jumpshooting skill - the goat must have elite jumpshooting skill and must be able to pop off whenever he wants.. He can't be a plodding, mechanical player that can't pop off and can't command doubles/takeover whenever they want (and avoids/defers contested jumpers)

You don't qualify to answer. Lebron dictates how you live your life. This very post illustrates that

[hateraid]

This goes either way but i agree

It's highly slanted towards Jordaneers. At least Lebronites can accept open dialogue and don't focus on Jordan

[tpols]

Why do people care that a lie becomes the truth, and the truth becomes a lie? Because we don't want to disrespect the fundamental tenaments of knowledge itself. It goes beyond this ridiculous comparison and ventures into all universal truths.

[hateraid]

Why do people care that a lie becomes the truth, and the truth becomes a lie? Because we don't want to disrespect the fundamental tenaments of knowledge itself. It goes beyond this ridiculous comparison and ventures into all universal truths.

How does it affect your life. Such a miniscule thing to be concerned about and is subjective as what your favorite ice cream flavor is.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

In the past, I would agree.

Now we see the opposite tho. Aside from 3ball who really isn't a Jordan fan, most Mike fans don't spam the board or are crazy obsessed with the 'GOAT' position. I know I'm fine with Russell and Kareem having a case over Mike, and always have been.

The Bron contingent are the only big fanbase left here. And they troll incessantly with their Lebron >>> opinion.

One thing you're 100% right on is everything being subjective. Its all opinion, hateraid. I actually think its refreshing that you have Magic as your GOAT. :lol

[Bronbron23]

It's highly slanted towards Jordaneers. At least Lebronites can accept open dialogue and don't focus on Jordan

Man i don't know wtf u been seeing on here but it's just as bad on both sides

[Mr. Woke]

Jordan Jockers are very insecure.

[3ba11]

In the past, I would agree.

Now we see the opposite tho. Aside from 3ball who really isn't a Jordan fan, most Mike fans don't spam the board or are crazy obsessed with the 'GOAT' position. I know I'm fine with Russell and Kareem having a case over Mike, and always have been.

The Bron contingent are the only big fanbase left here. And they troll incessantly with their Lebron >>> opinion.

One thing you're 100% right on is everything being subjective. Its all opinion, hateraid. I actually think its refreshing that you have Magic as your GOAT. :lol


lol bringing up Russell and Kareem because you know Lebron's resume is a fraud and insufficient... lol

[8Ball]

Jordan Jockers are very insecure.

This.

It's all nostalgia at this point.

LeBron being greater than Jordan invalidates their youth :lol

[3ba11]

Jordan Jockers are very insecure.


No we're just tired of the media pretending that mostly losing the Finals with super-teams is better than always winning without them.

It's fraud and anyone would be annoyed if this infiltrated their sport and ruined the competitive landscape.

[hateraid]

In the past, I would agree.

Now we see the opposite tho. Aside from 3ball who really isn't a Jordan fan, most Mike fans don't spam the board or are crazy obsessed with the 'GOAT' position. I know I'm fine with Russell and Kareem having a case over Mike, and always have been.

The Bron contingent are the only big fanbase left here. And they troll incessantly with their Lebron >>> opinion.

One thing you're 100% right on is everything being subjective. Its all opinion, hateraid. I actually think its refreshing that you have Magic as your GOAT. :lol

I find there is a more anti-Lebron sentiment. Jordaneers go offensive and Lebronites go defensive. The trolling is pretty much how youths conduct themselves in public which I have to admit are part of the Lebron party.

Yeah I still would rank Magic as GOAT all things considering my eye test and superlatives. I'm glad you've acknowledged that :cheers:

[hateraid]

No we're just tired of the media pretending that mostly losing the Finals with super-teams is better than always winning without them.

It's fraud and anyone would be annoyed if this infiltrated their sport and ruined the competitive landscape.

You completely missed the point of this thread and only validate it further. You're life is triggered by Lebron's existence

[hateraid]

Man i don't know wtf u been seeing on here but it's just as bad on both sides

Lebronites are trolling for pure entertainment because they know Jordaneers are super sensitive.

[Axe]

The very funny thing here is, both factions act as if there are candies rewarded to them the more they brag about their respective heroes here. They can't seem to properly figure that life is much bigger than this. :oldlol:

[warriorfan]

Does it change the way you live your life?
Does it affect your friends and family?
Does it affect your career?
Does it dictate what entertains you?

If the answer is yes seek help. If it's not possible for you to function with that thought then you clearly have mental problems

Sports is all subjective. No opinion is right or wrong. The moment you claim things are definitive you should be revoked from any conversation

You care enough about the ranking to make this post about it. Lol.

[3ba11]

The very funny thing here is, both factions act as if there are candies rewarded to them the more they brag about their respective heroes here. They can't seem to properly figure that life is much bigger than this. :oldlol:


It's called entertainment - nowadays actually watching the games seems so dumb - there's smarter ways to consume the NBA and be entertained by the it. We're doing it right now

Don't get me wrong.. I turned on Kuminga a few times during summer league and watched him.. Watch your favorite player or team. But the guys that spend their days in front of TV watching full games of 3-point contest seems so boring and a lot of people can't do it.

[Axe]

It's called entertainment - nowadays actually watching the games seems so dumb - there's smarter ways to consume the NBA and be entertained by the it. We're doing it right now

Don't get me wrong.. I turned on Kuminga a few times during summer league and watched him.. Watch your favorite player or team. But the guys that spend their days in front of TV watching full games of 3-point contest seems so boring and a lot of people can't do it.
Oh wow cool story bro. Now should you be doxxed about your life once more?

[3ba11]

Oh wow cool story bro. Now should you be doxxed about your life once more?


Should you wake up tomorrow?

[Spurs m8]

Op is shook

[SATAN]

Jordaneers go offensive and Lebronites go defensive.

This is how MJ and Kobe stans have always been. Like they are offended that other people realize the people they worship are mere mortals. I know MJ stans in real life and they are actually ridiculous. They at times literally get angry about this shit. Talk about brainwashed lol. Even worse, they tend to barely even watch basketball and barely ever played. It actually made me appreciate LeBron as a player more.

5 stars.

[hateraid]

It's called entertainment - nowadays actually watching the games seems so dumb - there's smarter ways to consume the NBA and be entertained by the it. We're doing it right now

Don't get me wrong.. I turned on Kuminga a few times during summer league and watched him.. Watch your favorite player or team. But the guys that spend their days in front of TV watching full games of 3-point contest seems so boring and a lot of people can't do it.

Yet here you are spending the majority of your day triggered by Lebron.

[hateraid]

You care enough about the ranking to make this post about it. Lol.

That doesn't make sense. Reach for your crack pipe instead of reaching in this thread.

[hateraid]

Op is shook

Another poster who's life is consumed by Lebron that he can't function.

[hateraid]

This is how MJ and Kobe stans have always been. Like they are offended that other people realize the people they worship are mere mortals. I know MJ stans in real life and they are actually ridiculous. They at times literally get angry about this shit. Talk about brainwashed lol. Even worse, they tend to barely even watch basketball and barely ever played. It actually made me appreciate LeBron as a player more.

5 stars.

See how Lebron dictates their lives? Like they ostercize those who don't agree. Over a basketball player.

[Airupthere]

Ok, Holden Caulfield

[Mauzah]

For me it boils down to two things. One, I enjoy the battle and two I have lived and breathed basketball since I was a kid and I know what is a lie and I know what is the truth.

I will happily stay silent in most subjects that I know little about but no ones going to tell me Lebron is the superior basketball over Michael Jordan.

[8Ball]

For me it boils down to two things. One, I enjoy the battle and two I have lived and breathed basketball since I was a kid and I know what is a lie and I know what is the truth.

I will happily stay silent in most subjects that I know little about but no ones going to tell me Lebron is the superior basketball over Michael Jordan.

LeBron clearly is the superior basketball player to Jordan.

So is Luka.

[hateraid]

For me it boils down to two things. One, I enjoy the battle and two I have lived and breathed basketball since I was a kid and I know what is a lie and I know what is the truth.

I will happily stay silent in most subjects that I know little about but no ones going to tell me Lebron is the superior basketball over Michael Jordan.

Thinking your truth is THE truth is actually a mental disorder. Again, as the OP is illustrating, does this dictate your life? Would it bother you if someone thinks differently?

[hateraid]

LeBron clearly is the superior basketball player to Jordan.

So is Luka.

It's all subjective. But it's hilarious when someone say "I know the truth"

[Mauzah]

Thinking your truth is THE truth is actually a mental disorder. Again, as the OP is illustrating, does this dictate your life? Would it bother you if someone thinks differently?

How is what you're saying any different than what I said. Your speaking in absolutes yourself.

[hateraid]

How is what you're saying any different than what I said. Your speaking in absolutes yourself.

I never claimed an opinion as truth like you did. Claiming your truth is the truth is in fact a mental disorder. That's physcology 101. I'm not saying you have a legitimate mental disorder, but if you don't acknowledge that then you really aren't qualified to discuss
You're stating that anyone's opinion is different from yours is a lie. So right there you have let opinion dictate your life.

[Gudo]

Why do you care so much that some people care enough to debate the ranking of Lebron and Jordan? Obviously, you have been bothered enough by it to make this thread and it has been a consistent theme of your posts to complain about mostly anyone pro-Jordan.

[hateraid]

Why do you care so much that some people care enough to debate the ranking of Lebron and Jordan? Obviously, you have been bothered enough by it to make this thread and it has been a consistent theme of your posts to complain about mostly anyone pro-Jordan.

Lol, nice try. Asking something out of curiosity doesn't mean somebody is bothered by it. It's a genuine question. Questioning it is only done by someone who is defensive like yourself. Someone who is bothered by the fact people rank Lebron over Jordan. So try again trying to "flip the script"

[Axe]

For me it boils down to two things. One, I enjoy the battle and two I have lived and breathed basketball since I was a kid and I know what is a lie and I know what is the truth.

I will happily stay silent in most subjects that I know little about but no ones going to tell me Lebron is the superior basketball over Michael Jordan.
You mean to say that lebron is just a honda civic to michael jordan's lamborghini, right?

[clipps]

Does it change the way you live your life?
Does it affect your friends and family?
Does it affect your career?
Does it dictate what entertains you?

If the answer is yes seek help. If it's not possible for you to function with that thought then you clearly have mental problems

Sports is all subjective. No opinion is right or wrong. The moment you claim things are definitive you should be revoked from any conversation

The only thing definitive is the lack of basic knowledge and common sense... Basically they're a bunch of ****ing retards.

[tontoz]

I started a thread about this awhile back. I give no fs whether people think Jordan or Lebron or Kareem is the GOAT. I don't get the obsession.

[Mauzah]

I never claimed an opinion as truth like you did. Claiming your truth is the truth is in fact a mental disorder. That's physcology 101. I'm not saying you have a legitimate mental disorder, but if you don't acknowledge that then you really aren't qualified to discuss
You're stating that anyone's opinion is different from yours is a lie. So right there you have let opinion dictate your life.

Do you not realize you are guilty of the same thing you are accusing me of. If I was to say Jordan is a better basketball player than Bruce Bowen is a subjective opinion or is it a truth? Anyone with a shred of common sense knows MJ > Bowen and the same thing applies when comparing Jordan to Lebron except the only difference is the margins are slimmer.

If you want to take some solipsistic approach and say the only reason truth is your subjective experience, fine... however we still operate in a universe with absolutes and no matter what you say 2 + 2 = 4 and yes it quite possible that I do have some type of mental disorder but not in this case.

:no:

[Magic Is Magic]

The two are so close that anyone who truly cares about splitting hairs is too emotionally invested to be able to garner constructive discussion.

1. MJ
2. LBJ
3. KAJ


1. LBJ
2. MJ
3. KAJ

They are really that close, they just are so it shouldn't matter and you should be spending more time enjoying all the other hundreds of players.

[RRR3]

Do you not realize you are guilty of the same thing you are accusing me of. If I was to say Jordan is a better basketball player than Bruce Bowen is a subjective opinion or is it a truth? Anyone with a shred of common sense knows MJ > Bowen and the same thing applies when comparing Jordan to Lebron except the only difference is the margins are slimmer.

If you want to take some solipsistic approach and say the only reason truth is your subjective experience, fine... however we still operate in a universe with absolutes and no matter what you say 2 + 2 = 4 and yes it quite possible that I do have some type of mental disorder but not in this case.

:no:
LeBron vs. Jordan is debatable and you’re just gonna have to deal with it. Bruce Bowen was a role player.

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron lost with HCA 3x in a row something Jordan never lost with. Lebron won 2 bronze medals for America even with peak Duncan, Iverson on his squad something that didn't happen with Jordan. Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him which is the worst in any sport for any GOAT candidate.

[hateraid]

Do you not realize you are guilty of the same thing you are accusing me of. If I was to say Jordan is a better basketball player than Bruce Bowen is a subjective opinion or is it a truth? Anyone with a shred of common sense knows MJ > Bowen and the same thing applies when comparing Jordan to Lebron except the only difference is the margins are slimmer.

If you want to take some solipsistic approach and say the only reason truth is your subjective experience, fine... however we still operate in a universe with absolutes and no matter what you say 2 + 2 = 4 and yes it quite possible that I do have some type of mental disorder but not in this case.

:no:

How am I guilty of the same thing when I'm questioning people like you why you're so hurt over people ranking Lebron over Jordan? I am posing the same question as why are you being a bitch over a girl turning you down? It's curiosity and pity. Strike 1.

Secondly, I wouldn't care if somebody picked Bowen over Jordan. It doesn't affect me, my family, and my livelihood unlike people like you who take it personally. So strike 2.

Lastly the disparity of Bowen to Lebron is so vast that this is a poor example. Lebron IS arguably the superior player. Not saying he is, but objectively speaking nobody should be hurt over someone saying this. Only Jordaneers. Strike 3.

Strike 4 if you count that yes, you still don't get your OPINION isn't facts. So it is a mental disorder in this case

[hateraid]

Lebron lost with HCA 3x in a row something Jordan never lost with. Lebron won 2 bronze medals for America even with peak Duncan, Iverson on his squad something that didn't happen with Jordan. Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him which is the worst in any sport for any GOAT candidate.

Adn another who's life revolves around this debate disproving Lebron. lol. They just set themselves up

[ELITEpower23]

Adn another who's life revolves around this debate disproving Lebron. lol. They just set themselves up

:oldlol: This is the greatest thread ever

[8Ball]

Adn another who's life revolves around this debate disproving Lebron. lol. They just set themselves up

We broke them mentality. :roll:

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[j3lademaster]

I care about mj vs lebron as much as I care about posting on here. It's mostly when I'm bored at work, on the treadmill or on the can. I like both players so either one as GOAT is ok with me but I personally lean towards Lebron.

[tontoz]

Jordan is my favorite player ever but i am tired of all the posts about him. He had his time. Let it go.

[Mauzah]

How am I guilty of the same thing when I'm questioning people like you why you're so hurt over people ranking Lebron over Jordan? I am posing the same question as why are you being a bitch over a girl turning you down? It's curiosity and pity. Strike 1.

Secondly, I wouldn't care if somebody picked Bowen over Jordan. It doesn't affect me, my family, and my livelihood unlike people like you who take it personally. So strike 2.

Lastly the disparity of Bowen to Lebron is so vast that this is a poor example. Lebron IS arguably the superior player. Not saying he is, but objectively speaking nobody should be hurt over someone saying this. Only Jordaneers. Strike 3.

Strike 4 if you count that yes, you still don't get your OPINION isn't facts. So it is a mental disorder in this case

Where do you infer that I'm getting bent out of shape about other peoples ranking. I explicitly said in this very thread that I enjoy the conversation and here you are injecting ad hominems towards me and apparently I'm the triggered one. Sure, okay :roll:

And here you go contradicting yourself again declaring Lebron as arguably a "superior player". Subjective truth when it's convenient. Objective truth when it's not. Congrats buddy, you're more confused than David Robinsons hairline.

[3ba11]

What if the media started saying Vanilla Ice > Eminem

People would be pissed like stfu

Same thing with people saying Lebron compares to MJ

[WiltO'Neal]

I guess theyre identifying themselves with their favourite player and therefore take it personal when he gets criticized (just as some people experience a sense of pride when theyre favourite teams winning).
Also "Jordans/Lebrons the best ever" might be similar to a religious dogma in the sense of being an eternal truth that, as weird as it may sound, has a stabilizing effect on their inner life (probably a common function of absolute convictions of any kind for insecure people).
Another approach to answering this could be to view people who overreact to these comparisons as Authoritarian Personalities as defined by Erich Fromm (though i'm not sure about this, i havent thought about it a great deal)

[expansionera]

Unsuccessful people tend to ruminate on their past experiences wherein they were happy, including the feminine bliss that was childhood for so many posters. That’s why you get guys up until 3am typing essays on why Pippen was not good at basketball or why Danny Ainge was an excellent one on one defender and would be an all star today just like the 90s :oldlol:

The nostalgia laden rants suggest a level of delusion that can’t be reasoned with, you have to feel genuinely sorry for anyone that still argues Jordan is the GOAT

[Axe]

Unsuccessful people tend to ruminate on their past experiences wherein they were happy, including the feminine bliss that was childhood for so many posters. That’s why you get guys up until 3am typing essays on why Pippen was not good at basketball or why Danny Ainge was an excellent one on one defender and would be an all star today just like the 90s :oldlol:

The nostalgia laden rants suggest a level of delusion that can’t be reasoned with, you have to feel genuinely sorry for anyone that still argues Jordan is the GOAT
Roundball rock, is that you?

[86Celtics]

Unsuccessful people tend to ruminate on their past experiences wherein they were happy, including the feminine bliss that was childhood for so many posters. That’s why you get guys up until 3am typing essays on why Pippen was not good at basketball or why Danny Ainge was an excellent one on one defender and would be an all star today just like the 90s :oldlol:

The nostalgia laden rants suggest a level of delusion that can’t be reasoned with, you have to feel genuinely sorry for anyone that still argues Jordan is the GOAT

There is nothing worse than an idiot who thinks that he's smart. Case in point: ↑

[nayte]

Haha yeah he doesn't realise he is also talking about himself aswell