The 2000-2002 Lakers record with only Kobe playing and not Shaq

[coastalmarker99]

The 2000-2002 Lakers were 13-12 with Kobe, without Shaq.

How did they do with Shaq, without Kobe? 25-6.

BTW, in their 8 years playing together, Shaq held a 1-0 edge in MVPS, a 3-0 edge in Finals MVPs, and outvoted Kobe in the MVP voting in six of those eight seasons.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

How were they doing in the 2009 and 2010 playoffs with shaq?

Or how were they doing in the 2008 west finals when Kobe was beating Duncan down like a dog?

[coastalmarker99]

How were they doing in the 2009 and 2010 playoffs with shaq?

Or how were they doing in the 2008 west finals when Kobe was beating Duncan down like a dog?


Duncan with a far inferior team in 2003 made Kobe cry on national television.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck9nyiwaTIg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPBkbib2eh0

[Axe]

Not surprising, as the zen master phil jackson actually chose to develop a close relationship with o'neal during their dynasty years because needless to say he was a veteran and not someone who's a burden to coach. Otoh, bryant had a hard time listening to his superiors and is generally more chaotic in this aspect, despite his potential as a scoring machine.

[000]

Another thread right on the money, wow.

Kobe was ass.

[eliteballer]

Baby Kobe playing with a team built around Shaq with a bunch of low paid roleplayers because Shaq ate he whole salary cap.

[steezy]

Crazy how a barely legal Kobe was outscoring PRIME Shaq against some of the toughest teams in the western conference. Absolutely insane.

[bladefd]

What was the record with both Kobe and shaq playing?

What was their record with neither playing?

[Airupthere]

You will not find many players, specially at a young age (teens to early 20s) that can challenge Shaq's position in the team as Kobe has done.

[Phoenix]

How were they doing in the 2009 and 2010 playoffs with shaq?

Or how were they doing in the 2008 west finals when Kobe was beating Duncan down like a dog?

How were doing in 2004 through 2007?

[Manny98]

Duncan with a far inferior team in 2003 made Kobe cry on national television.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck9nyiwaTIg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPBkbib2eh0

And Kobe completely obliterated the Spurs the two years prior

[Manny98]

Crazy how a barely legal Kobe was outscoring PRIME Shaq against some of the toughest teams in the western conference. Absolutely insane.

That 8 game stretch where he destroyed the Kings and Spurs in back to back playoff series might be the most dominant 8 game stretch of any player ever in the playoffs

I'm pretty sure I read that 01 Kobe had the highest +/- ever for a single playoff run

[Lakers Legend#32]

Shaq was the guts of those teams.

[tpols]

That's regular season.

In the playoffs, before Kobe blossomed into a superstar, Shaq was getting swept out of the playoffs year after year. And he was playing with All Star guards in LA and Orlando outside of Kobe in the 90s.

[RRR3]

That's regular season.

In the playoffs, before Kobe blossomed into a superstar, Shaq was getting swept out of the playoffs year after year. And he was playing with All Star guards in LA and Orlando outside of Kobe in the 90s.
True what would Shaq have done without superstar Kobe’s 15.6 PPG on 41 TS% in the 00 finals?

[tpols]

True what would Shaq have done without superstar Kobe’s 15.6 PPG on 41 TS% in the 00 finals?

Kobe got hurt in those Finals and had to leave a game early skewing his averages. You just exposed yourself. Plus... if it weren't for Kobe they lose to Portland in the WCFs.

Shaqs style could be figured out that's why he got swept so many times. (more than any GOAT ever) His FT shooting was a true crippling weakness. He was lazy in practice and a poor leader.

When Kobe was on, he had no weaknesses. That's why he could win with Pau but Shaq couldn't win with Penny who was => Gasol.

[RRR3]

Predictable butthurt meltdown from ttrolls when the facts about his hero come out.

[tpols]

That short post is a meltdown? You seriously have the mentality and attention span of a third grader. One sentence insults after you get owned with the context lol

[Manny98]

Predictable butthurt meltdown from ttrolls when the facts about his hero come out.

When you can't debate the points he made so you have to default to "meltdown" :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Meltpols
Melty98

[Mask the Embiid]

Kobe was younger though so he wanted to prove himself and just put up empty scoring stats. Once he got that out of his system, he started to win (around 2008).

End of the day, kobe and shaq are pretty much right next to each other in the all time rankings (around 12 & 13 around there)

[Axe]

That's regular season.

In the playoffs, before Kobe blossomed into a superstar, Shaq was getting swept out of the playoffs year after year. And he was playing with All Star guards in LA and Orlando outside of Kobe in the 90s.
So who got a finals mvp first between the two?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe got hurt in those Finals and had to leave a game early skewing his averages. You just exposed yourself. Plus... if it weren't for Kobe they lose to Portland in the WCFs.

Shaqs style could be figured out that's why he got swept so many times. (more than any GOAT ever) His FT shooting was a true crippling weakness. He was lazy in practice and a poor leader.

When Kobe was on, he had no weaknesses. That's why he could win with Pau but Shaq couldn't win with Penny who was => Gasol.

All that might be true, but Kobe's injury doesnt nullify Shaq's carry.

You make the same mistake 3ball does, which is giving Kobe excessive credit. Shaq needed another great shooting guard to win, sure. And Kobe needed another all-star big to make finals. Everyone needs somebody. In 2000 though you can't make that claim, especially in the finals. That was an all-time undertaking.

[Ne 1]

Well overall those Lakers teams weren't very talented outside of their 2 stars so if you take either one of those guys out and they are going to suffer some loses. Of course, more specifically taking Shaq out because the team was built primarily around him, and you remove him and you have a significant drop off in interior defense and rebounding. The Lakers at least has some decent wing players outside of Kobe, but their back up bigs were TERRIBLE (Travis Knight, Greg Foster and Mark Madsen/Slava) obviously because they didn't need to be real good because the team was built around Shaq.

[Kenny Griffin]

Duncan with a far inferior team in 2003 made Kobe cry on national television.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck9nyiwaTIg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPBkbib2eh0

notice nobody makes threads bashing duncan for his putrid finals performance in 2005 and losing finals mvp to tony parker in 2007 and blowing a point blank open layup to lose the 2013 title

know why? because people are only afraid of kobe. he is placed above lebron all time by a ton of people in and around the nba

you can nitpick kobe all you want he still left a legacy that is 10 fold what duncans was. its not just about accomplishments. its about respect/worship/being polarizing etc...

no matter how much you and others rank kobes 12th, 13th or 14th all time and no matter how many times you bring up some shooting percentages you'l never take away the fact that kobe is mentioned with Jordan and people put him top 2/3/5 etc... routinely

the only people that don't are some lebron fans on message boards or ones that write for websites/have trolling jobs on sports shows that never picked up a basketball


you will always have a voice that isn't heard beyond ISH. you will never be important

[Phoenix]

Kobe got hurt in those Finals and had to leave a game early skewing his averages. You just exposed yourself. Plus... if it weren't for Kobe they lose to Portland in the WCFs.

Shaqs style could be figured out that's why he got swept so many times. (more than any GOAT ever) His FT shooting was a true crippling weakness. He was lazy in practice and a poor leader.

When Kobe was on, he had no weaknesses. That's why he could win with Pau but Shaq couldn't win with Penny who was => Gasol.

The Kobe-Gasol Lakers likely don't beat the 95 Rockets( who beat the Shaq-Penny combo) and definitely not the 96 Bulls ( who also beat the Shaq-Penny combo).