Any scientific views on the co$id vax?

[oldtimer28]

Thoughts?
https://rumble.com/vl5il4-vaccine-disaster-ahead.html


And even if you discredit the source or me, please address the points in the video.

Are the covid va$ines overriding and destroying our natural immunity? Causing more variants?

What can be done now anyway since billions of people have been injected already?

[8Ball]

Is this another neck beard on tik tok?


I got the 2nd dose and my immune system is oozing covid destroying white blood cells from every pore.


I can breath in covid right now and not flinch.

[imdaman99]

Imagine joining a basketball message board to talk about covid and conspiracies :roll: y'all getting bullied off reddit or something? :biggums:

[bladefd]

Akrazo.. I mean oldtimer.. needs a big hug. Ish, let's give him a big group hug!

[FultzNationRISE]

Akrazo.. I mean oldtimer.. needs a big hug. Ish, let's give him a big group hug!

Dang, I been found out.

This bladefd guy is just too smart. Can't fool him.





:roll:

[Manny98]

No one will even attempte to discredit the points made in this video, just mindlessly attack the OP and call him a crazy conspiracy theorist

"How dare you question the safety of a vaccine that took 8 months to make which they haven't studies the long term effects of"

:facepalm

[BurningHammer]

Imagine joining a basketball message board to talk about covid and conspiracies :roll: y'all getting bullied off reddit or something? :biggums:

:oldlol:

[jstern]

When they immediately start attacking the OP at a personal level instead of the points made in the video, you know he already won.

[Axe]

They don't seem to work on mentally insane right wingers.

[ShawkFactory]

Pretty in-depth rebuttal: https://www.deplatformdisease.com/blog/addressing-geert-vanden-bossches-claims

Some of it might be over the head of those who don't have any sort of scientific/immunology background though.

[oldtimer28]

Is this another neck beard on tik tok?


I got the 2nd dose and my immune system is oozing covid destroying white blood cells from every pore.


I can breath in covid right now and not flinch.

False...see Israel

[oldtimer28]

Imagine joining a basketball message board to talk about covid and conspiracies :roll: y'all getting bullied off reddit or something? :biggums:


And even if you discredit the source or me, please address the points in the video.

[oldtimer28]

Pretty in-depth rebuttal: https://www.deplatformdisease.com/blog/addressing-geert-vanden-bossches-claims

Some of it might be over the head of those who don't have any sort of scientific/immunology background though.

Can't see how this helps. Please explain in your own words.

[oldtimer28]

When they immediately start attacking the OP at a personal level instead of the points made in the video, you know he already won.

Thanks, especially when i posted...


And even if you discredit the source or me, please address the points in the video.

[ShawkFactory]

Can't see how this helps. Please explain in your own words.

Helps what?

[Chick Stern]

Here’s a scientific view.
The only way to come out of this worldwide condition is to have a solution.
The most logical solution is to lean on what has been successful in the past in similar situations.
What history shows is that what has been successful has been vaccines.
Advances in vaccine technology have been highly successful in using mRNA.
Strong evidence over multiple decades have proven the soundness of the technology, and are pointing towards solutions for cancer and other debilitating diseases.
Current evidence shows both a high tolerance, and excellent results, in combatting COVID.
At the writing of this post, Cons have yet to provide any other preventative solution.

[oldtimer28]

Helps what?

why be obtuse?

Clearly, scientific views are divided on the effectiveness of the co$id vaccines. You just tried to post a video you liked but it did not address any of the concerns such as that the vaccines override the natural immune system and are less effective against variants. Consequently, over say 10-20 years, more people could die from taking the va$ines than not.

[ShawkFactory]

why be obtuse?

Clearly, scientific views are divided on the effectiveness of the co$id vaccines. You just tried to post a video you liked but it did not address any of the concerns such as that the vaccines override the natural immune system and are less effective against variants. Consequently, over say 10-20 years, more people could die from taking the va$ines than not.

Try again

[oldtimer28]

Try again

You're blocked for wasting time and possibly oxygen. Unable to counter the video points you tried to distract by posting your own video.

Immature at best.

[tontoz]

Basically the guy is speculating that the vaccinations will force the virus to mutate to more dangerous variants.

First of all that hasn't been a big problem with vaccines in the past. It has happened to an extent with antibiotics. I don't follow this fight but hospitals have to be careful using strong antibiotics because they don't want to create super bugs like the doctor is describing.

Secondly a virus will mutate randomly. The Delta variant emerged before we started getting.the.vaccines.

Big difference between vaccines and antibiotics is that vaccines are out of your system quickly. You get a shot and your done, or maybe you get another shot weeks/ months later.

You can be on antibiotics for days or weeks at a time. They stay in your system longer making it more likely that a more dangerous mutation will emerge.

How much time has the doctor spent working with mRNA vaccines? I would guess not much.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Israel's coronavirus czar is calling for preparations for a 4th vaccine dose
https://www.businessinsider.com/israels-coronavirus-czar-calls-fourth-vaccine-dose-prep-2021-9


https://c.tenor.com/5_m_MoCjipMAAAAM/one-two-three-four-miles-teller.gif

[oldtimer28]

Israel's coronavirus czar is calling for preparations for a 4th vaccine dose
https://www.businessinsider.com/israels-coronavirus-czar-calls-fourth-vaccine-dose-prep-2021-9


https://c.tenor.com/5_m_MoCjipMAAAAM/one-two-three-four-miles-teller.gif

Plus pills

[oldtimer28]

Basically the guy is speculating that the vaccinations will force the virus to mutate to more dangerous variants.

First of all that hasn't been a big problem with vaccines in the past. It has happened to an extent with antibiotics. I don't follow this fight but hospitals have to be careful using strong antibiotics because they don't want to create super bugs like the doctor is describing.

Secondly a virus will mutate randomly. The Delta variant emerged before we started getting.the.vaccines.

Big difference between vaccines and antibiotics is that vaccines are out of your system quickly. You get a shot and your done, or maybe you get another shot weeks/ months later.

You can be on antibiotics for days or weeks at a time. They stay in your system longer making it more likely that a more dangerous mutation will emerge.

How much time has the doctor spent working with mRNA vaccines? I would guess not much.

Thanks for trying but I clearly wrote:


And even if you discredit the source or me, please address the points in the video.

You wrote


Basically the guy is speculating that the vaccinations will force the virus to mutate to more dangerous variants.

Not at all. Why do people create strawman fallacies so you argue against something completely different.

Watch the video but at most - the video is saying that the vaccines overwhelm your natural immunity. Thus, makes EXISTING variants more deadly.

Plus, you can infer that more variants will arise due to vaccines but this is not the focus of the video.


You should also fact check the rest of what you wrote:

First of all that hasn't been a big problem with vaccines in the past. It has happened to an extent with antibiotics. I don't follow this fight but hospitals have to be careful using strong antibiotics because they don't want to create super bugs like the doctor is describing.

Secondly a virus will mutate randomly. The Delta variant emerged before we started getting.the.vaccines.

Big difference between vaccines and antibiotics is that vaccines are out of your system quickly. You get a shot and your done, or maybe you get another shot weeks/ months later.

You can be on antibiotics for days or weeks at a time. They stay in your system longer making it more likely that a more dangerous mutation will emerge.

How much time has the doctor spent working with mRNA vaccines? I would guess not much.

[tontoz]

I tried watching that vid previously but i couldnt get past that guy reading the doctors resume. :oldlol:

Just got done watching the vid and i am not convinced. He says the new, targeted antibodies are strong and long lasting, so much so that they overwhelm the bodies natural antibodies. That isn't what we are actually seeing. From the beginning people who were vaccinated were still getting the virus, the symptoms were just less severe. And the vaccines effectiveness declines markedly after a few months.

Doesn't seem like the antibodies are that strong or long lasting to me.

Maybe some of the doctors points are getting lost in translation by the guy presenting the vid. The presentation he gave is pretty far removed from what is actually happening right in front of us.

[Nanners]

The vaccines are causing the variants. This is happening for the same reason that we have antibiotic resistant bacterial infections - medical treatments are acting as selection pressure and the rare mutants who are able to survive these treatments have enormous evolutionary advantages which results in their proliferation.

IMO, as long as nonvax people are living healthy lifestyles they are at little risk from the variants. The natural resistance your immune system builds from fighting off previous infections provides significant protection from future variants.

The people who are truly at risk from future variants are the ones who have taken the MRNA vaccines. If you dont believe me, look at the clinical trials for every MRNA vax ever tested before now. Prior to covid, no MRNA vax trial ever made it to the human phase of testing. The reason none made it to human phase is because while several MRNA vaxs went to animal trials in the past, every single time they failed for the same reason - the animals gained resistance to the specific variant of the virus the vaccine was designed to target, but their immune systems were unable to mount any kind of response against mutated variants of the virus in the wild. Its called Antibody Dependent Enhancement.

[tontoz]

Antibiotics are different because you already have the disease when you are getting antibiotics. Typically antibiotics are given over a period of days or weeks, giving the disease time to mutate.

When you get a vaccine you don't have covid. And the.vaccine is out of your system quickly. The virus mutates randomly by replication. The more it replicates, the more it mutates. The Delta variant appeared before the vaccines even rolled out.

The unvaccinated people filling up our hospitals are allowing the virus to replicate more and mutate more.

[oldtimer28]

I tried watching that vid previously but i couldnt get past that guy reading the doctors resume. :oldlol:

Just got done watching the vid and i am not convinced. He says the new, targeted antibodies are strong and long lasting, so much so that they overwhelm the bodies natural antibodies. That isn't what we are actually seeing. From the beginning people who were vaccinated were still getting the virus, the symptoms were just less severe. And the vaccines effectiveness declines markedly after a few months.

Doesn't seem like the antibodies are that strong or long lasting to me.

Maybe some of the doctors points are getting lost in translation by the guy presenting the vid. The presentation he gave is pretty far removed from what is actually happening right in front of us.


Thanks for watching the video - seriously. At least it shows you tried. Seems like you disagree but moved the argument saying you don't think the antibodies are strong/long lasting...but that's not the point. The point is that the va$ CHANGE the way your natural immune system works. That's the point of them. If the video is correct (and even if not strong or long lasting like your opinion) this could still result in millions more deaths than necessary (as people wrongly assume they are more protected than in reality).

Consequently, not discussing with you anymore as you clearly don't want to reasonably consider alternatives to your views.

[Norcaliblunt]

Vaccines are snake oil

[DoctorP]

My scientific view as a Guinea Pig is that the vax is a big meh. Had little to no symptoms after injections. It's like it never happened thus far.

I've had bad extasy much worse than any of this.

[tontoz]

My scientific view as a Guinea Pig is that the vax is a big meh. Had little to no symptoms after injection. It's like it never happened thus far.

Have you had only 1 injection? Which one?

[DoctorP]

Have you had only 1 injection? Which one?

Both pfizers. I feel good. Ill let you know if i grow another arm.

[tontoz]

Both pfizers. I feel good. Ill let you know if i grow another arm.

LOL i got the Pfizer too. The day after the 2nd injection was a little rough but after that i was fine.

Not to make you nervous or anything you might want to keep an eye out for the following:




Originally Posted by theman93 View Post
The working list includes..

Guillain-Barré syndrome
Acute disseminated encephaloymelitis
Transverse myelitis
Encephalitis
Myelitis
Encephalomyelitis
Meningoencephalitis
Meningitis
Encepholaphathy
Convulsions/seizures
Stroke
Narcolepsy and cataplexy
Anaphlyaxis
Acute myocardial infarction
Myocarditis
Pericarditis
Autoimmune disease
Pregnancy and birth outcomes
Acute demyelinating diseases
Non-anaphylactic allergic reactions
Thrombocytopenia
Disseminated intravascular coagulation
Venous thromboembolism
Kawasaki disease
Vaccine enhanced disease

You can also look up the incidents reported to VAERS yourself.





j/k

[DoctorP]

LOL i got the Pfizer too. The day after the 2nd injection was a little rough but after that i was fine.

Not to make you nervous or anything you might want to keep an eye out for the following:





j/k

Oh im staying vigilant and monitoring the situation closely. If i get a strange side effect im suing cvs

[tontoz]

Oh im staying vigilant and monitoring the situation closely. If i get a strange side effect im suing cvs

I was joking :oldlol:

Any severe allergic reactions typically show up within the first hour. Most other bad side effects show up in the first week. So you are probably in the clear.

[DoctorP]

I was joking :oldlol:

Any severe allergic reactions typically show up within the first hour. Most other bad side effects show up in the first week. So you are probably in the clear.

I get the humor and yeah you're right. Im still monitoring regardless. I listen to my body a lot.

[theman93]

LOL i got the Pfizer too. The day after the 2nd injection was a little rough but after that i was fine.

Not to make you nervous or anything you might want to keep an eye out for the following:





j/k

You can't stop thinking about me can you :lol :lol Rent free.

Amazing you put such stock in our federal health departments, but in their very own presentation when they state those are all possible side effects you all of a sudden don't believe them.

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