Marbury got Kobe over Lebron.

[LAL]

Kobe was a true baller, winner and smarter.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPV8S6qT9JU

Bron parasites about to bring up vaseline and stuff. Dude is the real deal, always loved his bball opinions.

[ArbitraryWater]

Lmao.


Do you really not realize that these guys coming out picking Kobe is gimmick as hell and only adds to LeBron's case?


pls get more brandon jennings' kenyon martin's matt barnes' takes on the matter

I trust these guys

[Manny98]

https://media.giphy.com/media/qgri3D9sTwCUGMcT8L/giphy.gif?cid=790b7611ee80046e15cfb1a25d04440568e7 a89488d34215&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

[LAL]

Lmao.


Do you really not realize that these guys coming out picking Kobe is gimmick as hell and only adds to LeBron's case?


pls get more brandon jennings' kenyon martin's matt barnes' takes on the matter

I trust these guys

Sorry buddy, lebron is only great at stats and hijacking offenses but real ballers will never truly be impressed with his game. Only gimmick here is lebron's game.

[FultzNationRISE]

Gonna need to see Mr. Marbury in my office, NOW.


:CRAZYSAM:

[deathawaitu]

General consensus proved once again that Kobe is better

13bron will always be ranked 13

[SouBeachTalents]

General consensus proved once again that Kobe is better

13bron will always be ranked 13
Can you show one ranking that has him 13th?

[HoopsNY]

I can understand guys picking Kobe over LeBron because they played with or against Kobe.

But this trend of players choosing Kobe over LeBron who are also from the same era is disturbing. How do they typically choose Kobe when LeBron's individual and team successes are too many to mention?

There are some arguments to be made that closes the gap between them, but LeBron was and is clearly the better player.

[LAL]

I can understand guys picking Kobe over LeBron because they played with or against Kobe.

But this trend of players choosing Kobe over LeBron who are also from the same era is disturbing. How do they typically choose Kobe when LeBron's individual and team successes are too many to mention?

There are some arguments to be made that closes the gap between them, but LeBron was and is clearly the better player.

Just like Luka and Westbrook, they have better all around stats than Kobe, congrats. He was a SG in a triangle offense, that's the only reason sweetheart.

Team successes? Better player? The **** is wrong with you?

[RRR3]

I can understand guys picking Kobe over LeBron because they played with or against Kobe.

But this trend of players choosing Kobe over LeBron who are also from the same era is disturbing. How do they typically choose Kobe when LeBron's individual and team successes are too many to mention?

There are some arguments to be made that closes the gap between them, but LeBron was and is clearly the better player.
In this case, Marbury last played in the league in 2009. For pretty much all of the time all 3 were in the league Kobe was better than LeBron. LeBron didn’t surpass him until that last season and Marbury only played 23 games that year.

[Manny98]

I can understand guys picking Kobe over LeBron because they played with or against Kobe.

But this trend of players choosing Kobe over LeBron who are also from the same era is disturbing. How do they typically choose Kobe when LeBron's individual and team successes are too many to mention?

There are some arguments to be made that closes the gap between them, but LeBron was and is clearly the better player.

Because there's more to basketball than win shares and PER

[deathawaitu]

Can you show one ranking that has him 13th?

My list

It has as much credibility as EPSN, bleacher report, etc

[ShawkFactory]

Just like Luka and Westbrook, they have better all around stats than Kobe, congrats. He was a SG in a triangle offense, that's the only reason sweetheart.

Team successes? Better player? The **** is wrong with you?

Stop shamelessly spouting 3ball shit.

Unless....:eek:

[LAL]

Stop shamelessly spouting 3ball shit.

Unless....:eek:

3ball isn't the only one person who understands that. You don't understand the difference between ball handling in a bronball/lukaball/westbrookball/hardenball system and playing SG in a triangle offense?

[ShawkFactory]

3ball isn't the only one person who understands that. You don't understand the difference between ball handling in a bronball/lukaball/westbrookball/hardenball system and playing SG in a triangle offense?

No one is arguing the difference between those two things.

It's just...3ball makes a thread about it yesterday and now here you are repeating the very specifics when we all know damn well that the "SG in triangle offense" argument didn't exist here before then.

Brings up some questions is all :confusedshrug:

Either you are 3ball or you're just a lame talking point copy cat.

[LAL]

No one is arguing the difference between those two things.

It's just...3ball makes a thread about it yesterday and now here you are repeating the very specifics when we all know damn well that the "SG in triangle offense" argument didn't exist here before then.

Brings up some questions is all :confusedshrug:

Either you are 3ball or you're just a lame talking point copy cat.

Trust me, i've been using that argument since 2001 when he was said in a interview that triangle was definitely holding him back stats wise. It's logical. You never saw my posts?

[j3lademaster]

No one is arguing the difference between those two things.

It's just...3ball makes a thread about it yesterday and now here you are repeating the very specifics when we all know damn well that the "SG in triangle offense" argument didn't exist here before then.

Brings up some questions is all :confusedshrug:

Either you are 3ball or you're just a lame talking point copy cat.It’s tough to get video game stats in the triangle and the 2000’s. This was never some kind of mystery. Roleplayers are better than ever and their roles are more down to a science than ever(example: as a roleplayer you learn which spots your star likes and you practice spot up shooting/scoring from different spots on the floor). This means the modern roleplayer plays FOR their star moreso than any other era and it’s part of this phenomenon of today’s stars having gaudier stats than ever. People are averaging triple doubles, Luka averaged close to a 30 pt triple double at 20 years old, Trae averaging 30/9 at 20, record number of 27+ ppg scorers etc. When 3ball talks about equal ‘opportunity offense’ in the triangle what he’s referring to is instead of forcing your roleplayers to play to your strengths, you do the opposite; and that optimized team success at the cost of assist stats. And he’s not wrong.

[LAL]

It’s tough to get video game stats in the triangle and the 2000’s. This was never some kind of mystery. Roleplayers are better than ever and their roles are more down to a science than ever(example: as a roleplayer you learn which spots your star likes and you practice spot up shooting/scoring from different spots on the floor). This means the modern roleplayer plays FOR their star moreso than any other era and it’s part of this phenomenon of today’s stars having gaudier stats than ever. People are averaging triple doubles, Luka averaged close to a 30 pt triple double at 20 years old, Trae averaging 30/9 at 20, record number of 27+ ppg scorers etc. When 3ball talks about equal ‘opportunity offense’ in the triangle what he’s referring to is instead of forcing your roleplayers to play to your strengths, you do the opposite; and that optimized team success at the cost of assist stats. And he’s not wrong.

Thank you for explaining. My english isn't that good and i thought he already understood the equal opportunity system.

[ShawkFactory]

It’s tough to get video game stats in the triangle and the 2000’s. This was never some kind of mystery. Roleplayers are better than ever and their roles are more down to a science than ever(example: as a roleplayer you learn which spots your star likes and you practice spot up shooting/scoring from different spots on the floor). This means the modern roleplayer plays FOR their star moreso than any other era and it’s part of this phenomenon of today’s stars having gaudier stats than ever. People are averaging triple doubles, Luka averaged close to a 30 pt triple double at 20 years old, Trae averaging 30/9 at 20, record number of 27+ ppg scorers etc. When 3ball talks about equal ‘opportunity offense’ in the triangle what he’s referring to is instead of forcing your roleplayers to play to your strengths, you do the opposite; and that optimized team success at the cost of assist stats. And he’s not wrong.

You're missing my point. I'm not discussing the details and validity of the argument itself.

More about how it was presented

[LAL]

You're missing my point. I'm not discussing the details and validity of the argument itself.

ooow 3ball.. well i'm not 3ball or copying him. Don't be a loser.

[j3lademaster]

You're missing my point. I'm not discussing the details and validity of the argument itself.

More about how it was presentedOnly my first 2 sentences were meant to be a response to you.

[HoopsNY]

Just like Luka and Westbrook, they have better all around stats than Kobe, congrats. He was a SG in a triangle offense, that's the only reason sweetheart.

Team successes? Better player? The **** is wrong with you?

It's not just all-around stats. For one, Luka just started playing, so that's not a fair comparison. Westbrook has never won anything and has only been to one finals where his team - ironically - lost to LeBron (albeit a super-team).

Neither Westbrook or Luka are top 10 players of all time. This just isn't a fair comparison.

And nothing is wrong with me. You're acting as if it's some anomaly for people to consider LeBron > Kobe. It's not.


In this case, Marbury last played in the league in 2009. For pretty much all of the time all 3 were in the league Kobe was better than LeBron. LeBron didn’t surpass him until that last season and Marbury only played 23 games that year.

I guess that might explain it. Though Marbury saw enough of LeBron to see just how great he was. He saw 6 seasons of him.


Because there's more to basketball than win shares and PER

If you think all LeBron has to his name are Win Shares and PER, then you're sadly mistaken.

[tpols]

:roll:

"Kobe actually spoke English the right way"

Roasting Lebron for being a ghetto AAU type. Playing Checkers while Kobe played chess. (triangle vs dribble spam free for all)

The only issue I have is Marbury played playground ball himself. But I guess having played lebrons style, he sees how much more intellectual Kobe was. And also saw Kobe had balls twice the size of brans.

[j3lademaster]

:roll:

"Kobe actually spoke English the right way"

Roasting Lebron for being a ghetto AAU type. Playing Checkers while Kobe played chess. (triangle vs dribble spam free for all)

The only issue I have is Marbury played playground ball himself. But I guess having played lebrons style, he sees how much more intellectual Kobe was. And also saw Kobe had balls twice the size of brans.Comparing to Kobe is a bit unfair though. The guy spoke 3 or 4 languages and wrote an oscar winning short film. He's one of those rare intellectuals who would have been good at whatever he tried.

[j3lademaster]

Because there's more to basketball than win shares and PERLebron dominates just about every advanced stat. I get there's no end-all-be-all stat that outlines a player, but if you're top tier in all or most of them it's very telling. And stats have to matter when trying to discuss sports objectively.

[tpols]

I can understand guys picking Kobe over LeBron because they played with or against Kobe.

But this trend of players choosing Kobe over LeBron who are also from the same era is disturbing. How do they typically choose Kobe when LeBron's individual and team successes are too many to mention?

There are some arguments to be made that closes the gap between them, but LeBron was and is clearly the better player.

Its not disturbing. Its the truth and they lived it. You said individual and team success are in favor of Lebron? Kobe won more rings and his dynasties peaked higher. So that right off the bat ain't true. Individually we know Lebron sacrifices star teammates to get his while Kobes star teammates had the best seasons of their careers with him. So that doesn't matter much either.

Former players say Kobe was better because he played with a far more domineering confidence and with jaw dropping takeover ability. Lebron nickel and dimes you over the course of a game... getting the easy buckets... padding assists with ball domination and grabbing easy defensive rebounds. Kobe used to let his teammates get the easy buckets and he scored the tough ones to the tune of 30+ ppg.

Guys who had to run up and down the court and feel the momentum swings know that Kobe was a more dominating presence.

[Bronbron23]

Kobe was a true baller, winner and smarter.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPV8S6qT9JU

Bron parasites about to bring up vaseline and stuff. Dude is the real deal, always loved his bball opinions.

Lots of players do but not sure stephon is the best source. He's a bit out there

[eliteballer]

Anotha one.

[HoopsNY]

Its not disturbing. Its the truth and they lived it. You said individual and team success are in favor of Lebron? Kobe won more rings and his dynasties peaked higher. So that right off the bat ain't true. Individually we know Lebron sacrifices star teammates to get his while Kobes star teammates had the best seasons of their careers with him. So that doesn't matter much either.

Kobe won 3 of the 5 alongside peak Shaq. Any top 10 player would have done the same, including LeBron. And LeBron is a much better finals performer, so Kobe's 5 rings to LeBron's 4 is largely irrelevant given that LeBron has been to 10 finals (hence my comment about team success).


Former players say Kobe was better because he played with a far more domineering confidence and with jaw dropping takeover ability. Lebron nickel and dimes you over the course of a game... getting the easy buckets... padding assists with ball domination and grabbing easy defensive rebounds. Kobe used to let his teammates get the easy buckets and he scored the tough ones to the tune of 30+ ppg.

Yea I agree, but that only closes the gap, it doesn't necessarily put Kobe above LeBron when considering everything else.

But going back to team success, I'm also factoring how LeBron has raised the ceilings of teams, making them competitive, and yes that includes regular season performances. If you look at the Cavs and Heat records between 2006-2014 alone, LeBron's teams have incredible success against the Western Conference.

[eliteballer]

Kobe won 3 of the 5 alongside peak Shaq. Any top 10 player would have done the same, including LeBron. And LeBron is a much better finals performer, so Kobe's 5 rings to LeBron's 4 is largely irrelevant given that LeBron has been to 10 finals (hence my comment about team success).



Yea I agree, but that only closes the gap, it doesn't necessarily put Kobe above LeBron when considering everything else.

But going back to team success, I'm also factoring how LeBron has raised the ceilings of teams, making them competitive, and yes that includes regular season performances. If you look at the Cavs and Heat records between 2006-2014 alone, LeBron's teams have incredible success against the Western Conference.

Lol look at 21 year old Kobe and Peak Shaq stats against Portland Game 7 2000.

[HoopsNY]

Lol look at 21 year old Kobe and Peak Shaq stats against Portland Game 7 2000.

What's your point?

[eliteballer]

What's your point?

That you’re wrong, and LeBrons juiced out of his mind and has an invalid career.

[3ba11]

Lebron lacks the skill to take contested jumpers (the stats show that he avoids/defers them to lesser teammates) - obviously, an inability to take contested jumpers is disqualifying, so lebron isn't better than any top 10 candidate that had elite jumpshooting skill, aka MJ, Kobe, Bird, KD

[deathawaitu]

Kobe has 5 rings

13ebron only has 2 full season rings

Not even close

[Airupthere]

Kobe has 5 rings

13ebron only has 2 full season rings

Not even close

*1 ray allen bailout, 1 kyrie bailout

[HoopsNY]

That you’re wrong, and LeBrons juiced out of his mind and has an invalid career.

I'm fine with you claiming I'm wrong; I just didn't understand how Kobe's game 7 performance vs. Portland disproves anything I've said. I mean, a 21 year old LeBron averaged 27/9/6/1/1 on 44% against a 64 win Detroit team who also had an elite defense. And LeBron took that series to 7 games with his second option putting up 11 PPG and averaging fewer rebounds than him.

Yet you're over here talking about 21 year old Kobe as if he did something monumental. Give 21 year old LeBron peak Shaq and Cleveland probably wins the title, too.

[outofstomach]

It’s tough to get video game stats in the triangle and the 2000’s. This was never some kind of mystery. Roleplayers are better than ever and their roles are more down to a science than ever(example: as a roleplayer you learn which spots your star likes and you practice spot up shooting/scoring from different spots on the floor). This means the modern roleplayer plays FOR their star moreso than any other era and it’s part of this phenomenon of today’s stars having gaudier stats than ever. People are averaging triple doubles, Luka averaged close to a 30 pt triple double at 20 years old, Trae averaging 30/9 at 20, record number of 27+ ppg scorers etc. When 3ball talks about equal ‘opportunity offense’ in the triangle what he’s referring to is instead of forcing your roleplayers to play to your strengths, you do the opposite; and that optimized team success at the cost of assist stats. And he’s not wrong.
you just slaughtered him :applause: low IQ moron

[eliteballer]

I'm fine with you claiming I'm wrong; I just didn't understand how Kobe's game 7 performance vs. Portland disproves anything I've said. I mean, a 21 year old LeBron averaged 27/9/6/1/1 on 44% against a 64 win Detroit team who also had an elite defense. And LeBron took that series to 7 games with his second option putting up 11 PPG and averaging fewer rebounds than him.

Yet you're over here talking about 21 year old Kobe as if he did something monumental. Give 21 year old LeBron peak Shaq and Cleveland probably wins the title, too.

Flip Saunders coached Pistons with no Ben Wallace is nothing to brag about, and that's after the rule changes.

That Blazers team was one of the most stacked and biggest teams ever, they would've wiped the floor with that washed Pistons team.

[HoopsNY]

Flip Saunders coached Pistons with no Ben Wallace is nothing to brag about, and that's after the rule changes.

That Blazers team was one of the most stacked and biggest teams ever, they would've wiped the floor with that washed Pistons team.

Flip Saunders was a solid coach. I mean, who is his counterpart in this discussion? Mike Dunleavy. You're splitting hairs there.

And just because it comes after rule changes doesn't take away from the fact that Detroit was 5th in DRTG, a 64 win team, 2nd in SRS, and LeBron was 21 doing what he did. If not anything else, it was at least comparable. But the point still remains - give 2006 LeBron peak Shaq and what happens?

Again, that series went 7 games with LeBron's cast playing like utter garbage, with LeBron's 2nd option putting up 11 PPG.

In game 7, LeBron scored 27 on 46%. His co-starters?

Ilgauskas: 8 points
Snow: 4 points
Gooden: 2 points
Murray: 2 points

LeBron's starting cast gave him a combined 16 points. He nearly doubled their output. #StopTheHate

[eliteballer]

Flip Saunders was a solid coach. I mean, who is his counterpart in this discussion? Mike Dunleavy. You're splitting hairs there.

And just because it comes after rule changes doesn't take away from the fact that Detroit was 5th in DRTG, a 64 win team, 2nd in SRS, and LeBron was 21 doing what he did. If not anything else, it was at least comparable. But the point still remains - give 2006 LeBron peak Shaq and what happens?

Again, that series went 7 games with LeBron's cast playing like utter garbage, with LeBron's 2nd option putting up 11 PPG.

In game 7, LeBron scored 27 on 46%. His co-starters?

Ilgauskas: 8 points
Snow: 4 points
Gooden: 2 points
Murray: 2 points

LeBron's starting cast gave him a combined 16 points. He nearly doubled their output. #StopTheHate


He's a juicer, who was playing a shell of a team. Stop.

BTW..post his stats vs. the Spurs in the Finals that year.

[HoopsNY]

He's a juicer, who was playing a shell of a team. Stop.

BTW..post his stats vs. the Spurs in the Finals that year.

Red herrings and unsubstantiated claims. That's when you know your original claim has gone to waste.

[eliteballer]

Red herrings and unsubstantiated claims. That's when you know your original claim has gone to waste.

So you want to post stats from one series but not another. Coward.

BTW...Roider:

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/lebron-james-of-the-cleveland-cavaliers-looks-to-pass-against-the-san-picture-id85153038

[FultzNationRISE]

So you want to post stats from one series but not another. Coward.

BTW...Roider:

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/lebron-james-of-the-cleveland-cavaliers-looks-to-pass-against-the-san-picture-id85153038


You’re mentally deranged

[HoopsNY]

So you want to post stats from one series but not another. Coward.

BTW...Roider:

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/lebron-james-of-the-cleveland-cavaliers-looks-to-pass-against-the-san-picture-id85153038

Why would I? You specifically mentioned Kobe at 21 and you proceed to ask me to post what LeBron did at 22?

[eliteballer]

Why would I? You specifically mentioned Kobe at 21 and you proceed to ask me to post what LeBron did at 22?

That makes it even worse..:roll: