Biden On Vaccine Requirements: 'This Is Not About Freedom Or Personal Choice'

[jstern]

https://youtu.be/fsIK9S7nfJU

Biden, "We're going to protect vaccinated worker from unvaccinated coworker."

The Biden defenders in the comment. "Companies have been requiring people to be vaccinated for years."

[Patrick Chewing]

And Trump was the tyrant.

https://c.tenor.com/T-2ZALlZIlIAAAAM/happiness-laughing.gif

[DoctorP]

And Trump was the tyrant.

https://c.tenor.com/T-2ZALlZIlIAAAAM/happiness-laughing.gif

as if your daddy would do it any different?

[diamenz]

that's absolute bullshit. let people make their own decisions about their health. it would be different if unvaccinated people were hurting vaccinated people but that's of course not the case.

[Lakers Legend#32]

We gave the non-vaxers plenty of time to do the right thing and the Delta Variant rates skyrocketed.
Go ahead and lose your jobs for Trump.

[bladefd]

That mandate impacts federal government employees/military. Biden doesn't have the authority to require state workers or private companies to get vaccinated.

Although he can recommend & push every state/private company to vaccinate their workforce, he can't force it. Most he can do is pull federal contracts from companies with many employees who are not vaccinated. Those are federal contracts so he has power over anything federal.

[Chick Stern]

For anyone who thinks they’re intelligent because they won’t get the vaccine, just remember, Jenny McCarthy is on your side. Yes, you and Jenny McCarthy think alike. Congratulations.

[JohnnySic]

This will get laughed out of the courts just like Biden's eviction moratorium did. They know it too; its just to distract from the shitshow in Afghanistan.

[tontoz]

That mandate impacts federal government employees/military. Biden doesn't have the authority to require state workers or private companies to get vaccinated.

Although he can recommend & push every state/private company to vaccinate their workforce, he can't force it. Most he can do is pull federal contracts from companies with many employees who are not vaccinated. Those are federal contracts so he has power over anything federal.

Yeah the private company mandate is just for show. Companies will most likely take their own steps.

[Axe]

Yet forcing one to be vaccinated became a fresh enough reason for some to resign from their work, no? :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

That mandate impacts federal government employees/military. Biden doesn't have the authority to require state workers or private companies to get vaccinated.

Although he can recommend & push every state/private company to vaccinate their workforce, he can't force it. Most he can do is pull federal contracts from companies with many employees who are not vaccinated. Those are federal contracts so he has power over anything federal.

This should concern you as a Biden shill that he's already talked about making businesses who employ 100 or more employees to force their employees to get the vaccine. You should be outraged. You should be questioning your reasoning for voting for him since he's sounding more and more like a tyrant and like a dictator.

[Axe]

This should concern you as a Biden shill that he's already talked about making businesses who employ 100 or more employees to force their employees to get the vaccine. You should be outraged. You should be questioning your reasoning for voting for him since he's sounding more and more like a tyrant and like a dictator.
No it's actually part of trump's coronavirus team plan - Cleverness thinks so.

[diamenz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00gVG3xmhQU

[tpols]

I've worked for like 10 different jobs and companies and never once did any of them require vaccines.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Experimental vaccine.

[Patrick Chewing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00gVG3xmhQU

Every time I say it, it sounds like a joke, but I've been saying for years that Liberals are evil, despicable, and demonic.


"Oh, Patrick, how can someone be demonic? You're talking crazy again."


Well, this right here is evidence. Maybe not demonic, but definitely separated from rationality and reason. Just downright mean and evil. And willing to offend, bully, and alienate people who probably watch his show too.

You don't get this from the Right. And before the usual suspects chime in and say, "Both sides do it", stop yourselves right there. They don't. Certainly not at the levels that Liberals do. Seeing tweets for Joe Rogan to die from Covid is further proof. This is not normal human behavior.

[j3lademaster]

libs certainly do have an inclination to turn into mouth frosting scum in an instant, you're right. however, this whole pointing a finger at the opposite party is exactly why we have Joe Biden as a president....we keep electing horrible leaders that promise change and bring everything but change. the majority of americans are too busy pointing their fingers at each other instead of realizing this is the game the elite want us to play so we can be too distracted to see how money is syphoned from us.

it's funny how we watch shows like money heist and root for the good guys to steal from the government. deep down we know we're being had. the elite are running their game on us and have been doing so for a long time. they're the ones doing a money heist on us.100%. The Billionaires turned Red vs Blue into monday night football, that's why Trump was perfect for them. He's a showman and he's divisive.

Whenever we bailout a large corporation we're feeding China. Companies hide their money overseas and invest overseas and then claim they're in financial trouble so they can get more assistance. Healthcare companies mark up the cost of everything to an extreme. In fact there are tons of studies out there showing we'd save money on a single-payer system. Other 1st world countries are appalled by what we pay for healthcare:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kll-yYQwmuM

Universities keep jacking up the price because they can. Because hey, anyone can get a govt loan and pay us. Our bloated military is so over-funded they dump equipment into the ocean so their funding can stay where it is. They're literally having trouble wasting the money they get. Show of hands: who would be surprised our friendly neighborhood defense contractor cut our generals(or whoever authorizes our military spending/waste) fat checks under the table?

It's a farce at this point.

[Rocket]

I will make my company fire me before I let them force me to get a vaccine. A six figure job is not worth potentially ruining my health. I will make them fire me and then take them to court.

[tontoz]

I will make my company fire me before I let them force me to get a vaccine. A six figure job is not worth potentially ruining my health. I will make them fire me and then take them to court.


How exactly is a vaccine going to ruin your health?

:roll:

[jstern]

How exactly is a vaccine going to ruin your health?

:roll:

I've seen your name a bunch of times. Don't you know the argument of the other side?

[theman93]

How exactly is a vaccine going to ruin your health?

:roll:

https://i.ibb.co/VHHVb9N/covidvaers.png

http://vaersanalysis.info/2021/09/03/vaers-summary-for-covid-19-vaccines-through-8-27-2021/

[bladefd]

I've seen your name a bunch of times. Don't you know the argument of the other side?

What argument?

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://youtu.be/OuKDlAWdiqw

[RRR3]

Comrade Biden cares not for your tears. He’s gonna get you healthy whether you like it or not. What. A. Hero. :applause:

[tontoz]

I've seen your name a bunch of times. Don't you know the argument of the other side?


I actually highlighted a link posted my Manny which discussed the AstraZeneca vaccine. He was referring to one person who died but i don't think he fully read his own link. I actually did read it.

There were 72 deaths out of 24 million people that were fully vaccinated. I'll go look for it.

Edit: here it is




Tests were carried out and blood clots were found in her brain, prompting her to be moved to the neurology specialist unit at Newcastle's Royal Victoria Infirmary (RVI).

The clots are considered extremely rare - there have been 417 reported cases and 72 deaths - after 24.8 million first doses and 23.9 million second doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine in the UK.

Dr Christopher Johnson, a consultant in anaesthetics and intensive care at the RVI, said Ms Shaw had been conscious for several days and had been treated for the clots with drugs which seemed to be successful.




https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-58330796

All of these deaths can be directly attributed to the AstraZeneca vaccine which is not approved for use in the US.

[tontoz]

https://i.ibb.co/VHHVb9N/covidvaers.png

http://vaersanalysis.info/2021/09/03/vaers-summary-for-covid-19-vaccines-through-8-27-2021/

:roll:


Right now there are only 2 vaccines even available in the United States. The J&J vaccine apparently isn't being given out any more. That study seems to be looking at all vaccines in the world most of which aren't even available here.

Care to look at covid deaths worldwide? I didn't think so.

[tpols]

I will make my company fire me before I let them force me to get a vaccine. A six figure job is not worth potentially ruining my health. I will make them fire me and then take them to court.

I'm with you. Holding out as long as possible from this tyranny. If we all fall in line like bitches and sell out they'll be able to get away with anything going forward.


"The welfare of the people has always been the alibi of tyrants."
-Albert Camus

[tpols]

https://youtu.be/OuKDlAWdiqw

Yup. Slow tightening of the noose. Its artificial selection to preserve only the most obedient going forward. Quite genius actually. Those that remain will be happy slaves.

[bladefd]

anti vaxxers getting rekt in this thread. i suspect a new one may be made in the coming days as a mean of retreat and regroup. :ohwell:

Coming days? More like 24hrs :oldlol:

[Joey Turnbuckle]

For anyone who thinks they’re intelligent because they won’t get the vaccine, just remember, Jenny McCarthy is on your side. Yes, you and Jenny McCarthy think alike. Congratulations.

Joe Biden.

Kamala Harris.

Every dipshit propaganda actor in Hollywood.




Just remember that Harvey Weinstein and the sluts he raped in Hollywood were laughed at by his good friends Hillary Clinton, Oprah Winfrey and Meryl Streep




Best of luck to your team of rapist blood drinking pedophiles.

[Joey Turnbuckle]

Coming days? More like 24hrs :oldlol:

Delusional

[Axe]

anti vaxxers getting rekt in this thread. i suspect a new one may be made in the coming days as a mean of retreat and regroup. :ohwell:
This.

[Nanners]

Biden, "We're going to protect vaccinated worker from unvaccinated coworker."

If the vaccine works, why the fvck do vaccinated people need to be protected from the unvaccinated? Isnt the purpose of the vaccine to protect the recipient?

According to our govt the vaccine does not prevent infection or spread, but it does prevent hospitalization... if you actually believe the mainstream narrative then you must agree that its the vaccinated (who spread the virus while experiencing no symptoms) are putting the unvaccinated people at risk.

[theman93]

:roll:


Right now there are only 2 vaccines even available in the United States. The J&J vaccine apparently isn't being given out any more. That study seems to be looking at all vaccines in the world most of which aren't even available here.

Care to look at covid deaths worldwide? I didn't think so.

No, the chart shows a comparison of all vaccine side effects reported to VAERS since 1990 and compares them to all COVID vaccine side effects reported to VAERS since their conception. This data is compared in both the US specifically and also worldwide. You would have known this if you read the rest of the chart. The evidence clearly points to the COVID vaccines being much more deadly while also causing much more serious complications than traditional vaccines.

You asked how the COVID vaccines can ruin your health as if it’s not possible. I gave you clear evidence that they can. Why are you moving the goal post?

[tontoz]

No, the chart shows a comparison of all vaccine side effects reported to VAERS since 1990 and compares them to all COVID vaccine side effects reported to VAERS since their conception. This data is compared in both the US specifically and also worldwide. You would have known this if you read the rest of the chart. The evidence clearly points to the COVID vaccines being much more deadly while also causing much more serious complications than traditional vaccines.

You asked how the COVID vaccines can ruin your health as if it’s not possible. I gave you clear evidence that they can. Why are you moving the goal post?


I just looked into the VAERS site. There is one little detail that your link doesn't mention:




FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem.



https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

In some cases a link to the vaccine can be easily established. In others, not so much.

For example in the case of the AstraZeneca vaccine we know that a immune reaction causes TTS which led to death in 72 out of 24 million fully vaccinated people. TTS is directly caused by an immune response to the vaccine. That vaccine is not approved for use in the US.

There has also been some documented issues with the J&J vaccine which is seemingly no longer available.




CDC and FDA are monitoring reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) in people who have received the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine. GBS is a rare disorder where the body’s immune system damages nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis.

However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths pdf icon[1.4 MB, 40 pages].




As far as the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines there are a couple of known side effects that can be a problem for people under 30.




Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. As of September 1, 2021, VAERS has received 1,404 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 817 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis.



So 817 cases out of 215 million pfizer doses and 147 million Moderna doses.

And of course there is also the risk of allergic reactions which can happen with anything, just like with peanuts or bee stings.



So overall.....:sleeping

[theman93]

I just looked into the VAERS site. There is one little detail that your link doesn't mention:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

In some cases a link to the vaccine can be easily established. In others, not so much.

For example in the case of the AstraZeneca vaccine we know that a immune reaction causes TTS which led to death in 72 out of 24 million fully vaccinated people. TTS is directly caused by an immune response to the vaccine. That vaccine is not approved for use in the US.

There has also been some documented issues with the J&J vaccine which is seemingly no longer available.



As far as the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines there are a couple of known side effects that can be a problem for people under 30.



So 817 cases out of 215 million pfizer doses and 147 million Moderna doses.

And of course there is also the risk of allergic reactions which can happen with anything, just like with peanuts or bee stings.



So overall.....:sleeping
Just because there is no known link does not mean there is no link.

The FDA requires any death to be reported, but according to your link it omits a requirement of reporting life threatening events, hospitalizations, and # of permanent disabilities - all of which are reported at an extremely higher rate by the COVID vaccines than the vaccines of the past 3 decades combined.

You asked how the covid vaccines can ruin your health. You've been shown that they most certainly can.

[tontoz]

Just because there is no known link does not mean there is no link.

The FDA requires any death to be reported, but according to your link it omits a requirement of reporting life threatening events, hospitalizations, and # of permanent disabilities - all of which are reported at an extremely higher rate by the COVID vaccines than the vaccines of the past 3 decades combined.

You asked how the covid vaccines can ruin your health. You've been shown that they most certainly can.


Let me ask you this. Our government bought 300 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine. The FDA has not approved it for use so all those doses are just sitting in storage.

Why hasn't the FDA approved it for use?

Myocarditis is a known side effect of the Pfizer and moderna vaccines. Given that covid also can cause myocarditis, just worse, I don't see that is a big problem given 817 cases from 315 million doses. Then of course is the allergic reactions that will happen with any vaccine.

If you have any specifics about other side effects that are causing hospitalization or death feel free to share. Just pulling numbers from a website that doesn't even claim to establish a causal link doesn't count for much.

[theman93]

Let me ask you this. Our government bought 300 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine. The FDA has not approved it for use so all those doses are just sitting in storage.

Why hasn't the FDA approved it for use?

Myocarditis is a known side effect of the Pfizer and moderna vaccines. Given that covid also can cause myocarditis, just worse, I don't see that is a big problem given 817 cases from 315 million doses. Then of course is the allergic reactions that will happen with any vaccine.

If you have any specifics about other side effects that are causing hospitalization or death feel free to share. Just pulling numbers from a website that doesn't even claim to establish a causal link doesn't count for much.

Why or why not, I do not care.

You came in here acting like it's laughable these vaccines can ruin your health. Based upon what's been published they can, based upon what's been reported they can, and based upon thousands and thousands of personal testimonies circling they can.

[tontoz]

Why or why not, I do not care.

You came in here acting like it's laughable these vaccines can ruin your health. Based upon what's been published they can, based upon what's been reported they can, and based upon thousands and thousands of personal testimonies circling they can.


Again I say how exactly? What are those thousands of people in the hospital for?

Before the lockdown I got a kidney stone and got admitted. If that had happened after I got the vaccine would that have been reported to VAERS? Maybe

[oldtimer28]

If the vaccine works, why the fvck do vaccinated people need to be protected from the unvaccinated? Isnt the purpose of the vaccine to protect the recipient?

According to our govt the vaccine does not prevent infection or spread, but it does prevent hospitalization... if you actually believe the mainstream narrative then you must agree that its the vaccinated (who spread the virus while experiencing no symptoms) are putting the unvaccinated people at risk.


Well written. The counter is va$ everyone for herd immunity (which has already been proven near impossible). Plus, where does that collective prevails over individual type reasoning end - if ever.

[theman93]

Again I say how exactly? What are those thousands of people in the hospital for?

Before the lockdown I got a kidney stone and got admitted. If that had happened after I got the vaccine would that have been reported to VAERS? Maybe

The working list includes..

Guillain-Barré syndrome
Acute disseminated encephaloymelitis
Transverse myelitis
Encephalitis
Myelitis
Encephalomyelitis
Meningoencephalitis
Meningitis
Encepholaphathy
Convulsions/seizures
Stroke
Narcolepsy and cataplexy
Anaphlyaxis
Acute myocardial infarction
Myocarditis
Pericarditis
Autoimmune disease
Pregnancy and birth outcomes
Acute demyelinating diseases
Non-anaphylactic allergic reactions
Thrombocytopenia
Disseminated intravascular coagulation
Venous thromboembolism
Kawasaki disease
Vaccine enhanced disease

You can also look up the incidents reported to VAERS yourself.

[tontoz]

The reason the vaccinated are pissed at the unvaccinated are two fold:

-the mask mandates/ lockdowns continue indefinitely as long as so many avoid vaccinations.
- people stricken with other medical emergencies might not be able to get treatment because there are so many unvaccinated COVID patients clogging up the hospitals. I already posted two stories of people who died for exactly that reason.

[Rocket]

https://www.dallascowboysuniverse.com/attachments/1631498388309-png.8796/

[tontoz]

The working list includes..

Guillain-Barré syndrome
Acute disseminated encephaloymelitis
Transverse myelitis
Encephalitis
Myelitis
Encephalomyelitis
Meningoencephalitis
Meningitis
Encepholaphathy
Convulsions/seizures
Stroke
Narcolepsy and cataplexy
Anaphlyaxis
Acute myocardial infarction
Myocarditis
Pericarditis
Autoimmune disease
Pregnancy and birth outcomes
Acute demyelinating diseases
Non-anaphylactic allergic reactions
Thrombocytopenia
Disseminated intravascular coagulation
Venous thromboembolism
Kawasaki disease
Vaccine enhanced disease

You can also look up the incidents reported to VAERS yourself.

Pretty wide spectrum of problems there. Kind of like the wide spectrum of reasons that people went to the hospital pre covid.

I have already posted documentation linking tts and gbs to the J&J and AstraZeneca vaccines. I also posted documentation of myocarditis and pericarditis to the mRNA vaccines.

The VAERS site is clearly a report first ask questions later site. Without some actual backup I have a hard time believing that the mRNA vaccines, that dont stay in your body indefinitely, can somehow cause such a wide range of maladies. Especially since most of the vaccine stays at the injection site, hence the sore arm.

[theman93]

Pretty wide spectrum of problems there. Kind of like the wide spectrum of reasons that people went to the hospital pre covid.

I have already posted documentation linking tts and gbs to the J&J and AstraZeneca vaccines. I also posted documentation of myocarditis and pericarditis to the mRNA vaccines.

The VAERS site is clearly a report first ask questions later site. Without some actual backup I have a hard time believing that the mRNA vaccines, that dont stay in your body indefinitely, can somehow cause such a wide range of maladies. Especially since most of the vaccine stays at the injection site, hence the sore arm.

All of those side effects are per the FDA, but you can believe whatever you want

[DoctorP]

Bidens backing the unions now so it's vax or you're now a second class citizen, I guess.

Bidens getting tough... "Get the vax, or you ain't black"

[DoctorP]

The reality, of course, is more like "you get the vax... or you're black."


Oof.

[tontoz]

All of those side effects are per the FDA, but you can believe whatever you want

This is directly from the FDAs site

https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download




WHAT ARE THE RISKS OF COMIRNATY (COVID-19 VACCINE, mRNA) AND THE
PFIZER-BIONTECH COVID-19 VACCINE?
There is a remote chance that the vaccine could cause a severe allergic reaction. A
severe allergic reaction would usually occur within a few minutes to one hour after
getting a dose of the vaccine. For this reason, your vaccination provider may ask you to
stay at the place where you received your vaccine for monitoring after vaccination.
Signs of a severe allergic reaction can include:
• Difficulty breathing
• Swelling of your face and throat
• A fast heartbeat
• A bad rash all over your body
• Dizziness and weakness
Myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the
lining outside the heart) have occurred in some people who have received
COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) or the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine.
In most of these people, symptoms began within a few days following receipt of the
second dose of vaccine. The chance of having this occur is very low. You should seek
medical attention right away if you have any of the following symptoms after receiving
the vaccine:
• Chest pain
• Shortness of breath
• Feelings of having a fast-beating, fluttering, or pounding heart
Side effects that have been reported with COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) or
the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine include:
• severe allergic reactions
• non-severe allergic reactions such as rash, itching, hives, or swelling of the face
• myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle)
• pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart)
• injection site pain
• tiredness
• headache
5 Revised: 23 August 2021
• muscle pain
• chills
• joint pain
• fever
• injection site swelling
• injection site redness
• nausea
• feeling unwell
• swollen lymph nodes (lymphadenopathy)
• diarrhea
• vomiting
• arm pain






I don't see any mention of meningitis:rolleyes:

When people get vaccinated then can't just get up and leave. You have to wait at least 15 minutes just in case there is an allergic reaction.

A lot of the side effects they mention is stuff i have seen myself or with people i know (sore arm, fatigue, fever etc). It hit hardest the day after the 2nd dose but most of it was gone in a day.

Meanwhile some anti vaxers finally see the light when they are on their death bed.



Dr. Nicole Linder from Michigan said she watched a patient's COVID-19 symptoms worsen for weeks.

Her patient, Kathy, refused to get vaccinated, and now it's too late, Linder said.

"Despite everything that could possibly be done for her, she's going to lose her battle and lose her life," Linder said.

To make her point clearly, she cited a "very special patient" of hers named Kathy who had "refused the vaccine adamantly" before contracting the coronavirus.


After being admitted to the hospital, Kathy called up several friends and family members to convince them to get vaccinated. At least six people got vaccinated after speaking with Kathy, Linder said, according to MLive.com.

Kathy has since been released on hospice care to spend time with her family as her symptoms continue to worsen. Ahead of her release, Kathy and Linder hugged goodbye



https://www.yahoo.com/news/doctor-says-death-imminent-woman-143430079.html

[theman93]

This is directly from the FDAs site

https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download





I don't see any mention of meningitis:rolleyes:

When people get vaccinated then can't just get up and leave. You have to wait at least 15 minutes just in case there is an allergic reaction.

A lot of the side effects they mention is stuff i have seen myself or with people i know (sore arm, fatigue, fever etc). It hit hardest the day after the 2nd dose but most of it was gone in a day.

Meanwhile some anti vaxers finally see the light when they are on their death bed.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/doctor-says-death-imminent-woman-143430079.html

You forgot one little part when you quoted that document:

https://i.ibb.co/TTR4kqw/notallpossiblesideeffects.png





For the other possible side effects you can refer here:

https://i.ibb.co/F7RbRrR/vaccinesideeffects.png

[tontoz]

Possible doesn't impress me after 350 million doses given out, especially since some of those possiblilities listed arent from the mRNA vaccines.

It is possible i might get struck by lightning the next time i walk outside in the rain. Not too worried about it though.

[tontoz]

Disclaimer: Please note that VAERS staff follow-up on all serious and other selected adverse event reports to obtain additional medical, laboratory, and/or autopsy records to help understand the concern raised. . However, in general coding terms in VAERS do not change based on the information received during the follow-up process. VAERS data should be used with caution as numbers and conditions do not reflect data collected during follow-up. Note that the inclusion of events in VAERS data does not infer causality.



https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/datasets.html

[RRR3]

Comrade Tontoz putting in work :applause:

[theman93]

Possible doesn't impress me after 350 million doses given out, especially since some of those possiblilities listed arent from the mRNA vaccines.

It is possible i might get struck by lightning the next time i walk outside in the rain. Not too worried about it though.

No one cares about impressing you, that's not the discussion.

How do you know they aren't from the mRNA vaccines when the side effects listed isn't even the full list which the document admits itself?

[tontoz]

No one cares about impressing you, that's not the discussion.

How do you know they aren't from the mRNA vaccines when the side effects listed isn't even the full list which the document admits itself?

Because i actually read what the FDA wrote, and some of the things on that list were specific to other vaccines. I already posted about those instances.

In the US we only have two options for vaccines right now but that list you posted is apparently for all vaccines, not to mention that causality hasn't been established for many of them. A little alarmist don't you think?

VAERS says on their site.



Note that the inclusion of events in VAERS data does not infer causality.




I am going to go with that. I will believe there is causality when they come out and say there is causality, as the FDA/CDC have done in certain cases.

[theman93]

Because i actually read what the FDA wrote, and some of the things on that list were specific to other vaccines. I already posted about those instances.

In the US we only have two options for vaccines right now but that list you posted is apparently for all vaccines, not to mention that causality hasn't been established for many of them. A little alarmist don't you think?

VAERS says on their site.




I am going to go with that. I will believe there is causality when they come out and say there is causality, as the FDA/CDC have done in certain cases.

No, there are 3 options - Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J. You've mentioned a few times now that the J&J vaccine isn't currently being distributed in the US and that's not true (see https://www.goodrx.com/covid-19/johnson-and-johnson). Meanwhile, AstraZeneca still hasn't even applied for EUA. The side effects listed in that slide were in reference to the vaccines closing in on market arrival. So not alarmist at all.

[tontoz]

No, there are 3 options - Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J. You've mentioned a few times now that the J&J vaccine isn't currently being distributed in the US and that's not true (see https://www.goodrx.com/covid-19/johnson-and-johnson). Meanwhile, AstraZeneca still hasn't even applied for EUA. The side effects listed in that slide were in reference to the vaccines closing in on market arrival. So not alarmist at all.


J&J vaccine was put on hold earlier and as far as i knew was still on hold. Not sure when they resumed but they were on hold.

I was reading about people in Florida recently unable to even find an appointment for the J&J vaccine which surprised me.

From your link




Does CDC recommend vaccination with the J&J COVID-19 vaccine resume?

Yes. The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) and CDC recommend vaccination with the J&J COVID-19 Vaccine resume among people 18 years and older. *However, women younger than 50 years old should be aware of the rare but increased risk of thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS). TTS is a serious condition that involves blood clots with low platelets. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen.









TTS is the same thing that has caused the deaths from the AstraZeneca vaccine.

[tontoz]

Nearly 14 million people in the United States have received the single-dose Johnson and Johnson (J&J) COVID-19 vaccine. But as the latest COVID-19 surge has raised questions about how well the three vaccines that are authorized in the United States hold up against the highly infectious delta variant, and as public health officials debate the need for booster shots in the coming months, many J&J vaccine recipients have been frustrated by the focus on the two more commonly used vaccines — Pfizer and Moderna — and concerned about how little data exists about the J&J vaccine.

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/so-you-got-jj-vaccine-here-s-what-you-should-know-about-delta-variant-boosters-and-more


14 million is a pretty small number compared to Pfizer and Moderna. Clearly it hasn't been as widely available.

[theman93]

J&J vaccine was put on hold earlier and as far as i knew was still on hold. Not sure when they resumed but they were on hold.

I was reading about people in Florida recently unable to even find an appointment for the J&J vaccine which surprised me.

From your link




TTS is the same thing that has caused the deaths from the AstraZeneca vaccine.

Well it turns out you were wrong (again) and talked out of your ass like you knew what you were talking about. Maybe don't speak in fact anymore.

[theman93]

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/so-you-got-jj-vaccine-here-s-what-you-should-know-about-delta-variant-boosters-and-more


14 million is a pretty small number compared to Pfizer and Moderna. Clearly it hasn't been as widely available.

So what? You're trying to save yourself here but it's literally irrelevant because the side effects I posted from the FDA meeting were side effects not just from J&J, but also Pfizer and Moderna. Nice try. Take the L and run along.

[tontoz]

So what? You're trying to save yourself here but it's literally irrelevant because the side effects I posted from the FDA meeting were side effects not just from J&J, but also Pfizer and Moderna. Nice try. Take the L and run along.


Maybe my mind isn't working right because i am getting tired but i am pretty sure the list you posted was from VAERS which is a reporting site and was "possible" side effects.

They report first and ask questions later. And even after asking questions and getting the answers they don't change what they actually reported.

FYI i already knew some of the side effects were from the J&J i just said those weren't relevant.In fact i posted about J&J documented side effects on page 3 of this thread post 38.

[theman93]

Maybe my mind isn't working right because i am getting tired but i am pretty sure the list you posted was from VAERS which is a reporting site and was "possible" side effects.

They report first and ask questions later. And even after asking questions and getting the answers they don't change what they actually reported.

FYI i already knew some of the side effects were from the J&J i just said those weren't relevant.In fact i posted about J&J documented side effects on page 3 of this thread post 38.

Nope. Possible side effects as stated by the FDA.

[tontoz]

Nope. Possible side effects as stated by the FDA.


Exactly. You seem to think side effects and possible side effects are the same thing. News flash, they aren't.

[tontoz]

. Disclaimer: Please note that VAERS staff follow-up on all serious and other selected adverse event reports to obtain additional medical, laboratory, and/or autopsy records to help understand the concern raised. . However, in general coding terms in VAERS do not change based on the information received during the follow-up process. VAERS data should be used with caution as numbers and conditions do not reflect data collected during follow-up. Note that the inclusion of events in VAERS data does not infer causality.

Once again with the VAERS disclaimer not to infer causality.

[theman93]

Exactly. You seem to think side effects and possible side effects are the same thing. News flash, they aren't.

There are possible common side effects, and possible rare side effects. Period the end.

[tontoz]

Well it turns out you were wrong (again) and talked out of your ass like you knew what you were talking about. Maybe don't speak in fact anymore.

BTW here was my original quote on the J&J vaccine from post 38.


.There has also been some documented issues with the J&J vaccine which is seemingly no longer available.

It was halted for awhile. I was obviously wrong thinking it was still halted. Sue me.

The more likely scenario is that people are just avoiding it, kind of like you avoid any talk of unvaccinated COVID patients in the ICU.

:oldlol:

[tontoz]

There are possible common side effects, and possible rare side effects. Period the end.

And VAERS advises us not to infer causality. The CDC has reported on side effects that they believe are caused by the vaccines. I have accepted them as valid and will continue to going forward.

Didn't see any mention of meningitis though.

[theman93]

BTW here was my original quote on the J&J vaccine from post 38.



It was halted for awhile. I was obviously wrong thinking it was still halted. Sue me.

The more likely scenario is that people are just avoiding it, kind of like you avoid any talk of unvaccinated COVID patients in the ICU.

:oldlol:

I specifically stated COVID patients are making the situation worse. You are low IQ.

[Cleverness]

What's the absolute risk reduction of hospitalization and death over 6-12 months after becoming "fully vaccinated" from Covid-19?

[tontoz]

I specifically stated COVID patients are making the situation worse. You are low IQ.


Since you like to get technical no that isn't what you said. :oldlol:What you actually said was


. Adding covid on top of it obviously does not help,

Not helping isnt the same as making things worse.

:no:


When all of the ICU beds are filled with Unvaccinated covid patients I would say that is a pretty historic problem as well.

[theman93]

Since you like to get technical no that isn't what you said. :oldlol:What you actually said was



Not helping isnt the same as making things worse.

:no:


When all of the ICU beds are filled with Unvaccinated covid patients I would say that is a pretty historic problem as well.

Only those with low IQ who try to take that statement out of context would think that isn't the same thing. We already know you like to make things up to suit your agenda so this isn't surprising coming from you.

[tontoz]

Only those with low IQ who try to take that statement out of context would think that isn't the same thing. We already know you like to make things up to suit your agenda so this isn't surprising coming from you.


It was a joke hence the emojis.


Your avoidance of discussing all the unvaccinated COVID patients isn't a joke. You either avoid it altogether or in this case downplay it.

I pulled info directly from a hospitals website and you can't accept it.

I have clicked your links, read them and discussed them. I even acknowledged that your info on ivermectin was legit and something I wasn't aware of. At least it looked.legit strange.that.the.manufacturer.isnt.pushing it's use though.

Obviously I wasn't aware of the severity of the nurse shortage but for ICU occupancy it isn't nearly as big a factor as covid.

[theman93]

It was a joke hence the emojis.


Your avoidance of discussing all the unvaccinated COVID patients isn't a joke. You either avoid it altogether or in this case downplay it.

I pulled info directly from a hospitals website and you can't accept it.

I have clicked your links, read them and discussed them. I even acknowledged that your info on ivermectin was legit and something I wasn't aware of. At least it looked.legit strange.that.the.manufacturer.isnt.pushing it's use though.

Obviously I wasn't aware of the severity of the nurse shortage but for ICU occupancy it isn't nearly as big a factor as covid.

Ok


I specifically stated COVID patients are making the situation worse. You are low IQ.


I think I’ve made my position pretty clear. We are experiencing what is being described as the greatest shortage in nurses the US has ever seen. Due to the mass shortage, beds many times cannot even be used which is creating a “shortage in beds.” When you couple this unprecedented shortage with the return of normal demand (elective surgeries and people no longer avoiding hospitals) that creates a problem already on it’s own. Adding covid on top of it obviously does not help, but if staffing returns to an optimal level it can be handled.

It’s irresponsible the staffing crisis is not being covered at all.

[tontoz]

Yeah and it took a week just to just to get you to put on your captain obvious outfit.

Covid patients making things worse....you don't say.

:durantunimpressed:

[Axe]

Yeah and it took a week just to just to get you to put on your captain obvious outfit.

Covid patients making things worse....you don't say.

:durantunimpressed:
He didn't indicate specifically whether those covid patients are vaccinated or not?

[theman93]

He didn't indicate specifically whether those covid patients are vaccinated or not?

A surprisingly astute point from you Axe. They aren't considered fully vaccinated until 2 weeks after the second dose. How many unvaccinated ICU covid patients have received 1-2 doses but don't meet the vaccinated definition?

[Axe]

A surprisingly astute point from you Axe. They aren't considered fully vaccinated until 2 weeks after the second dose. How many unvaccinated ICU covid patients have received 1-2 doses but don't meet the vaccinated definition?
I'm just asking. Coach.

[Cleverness]

When all of the ICU beds are filled with Unvaccinated covid patients I would say that is a pretty historic problem as well.

Lol @ "historic problem"

How many people have been admitted to the ICU this year vs 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, and 2016?

How many people have been admitted to the hospital this year vs 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, and 2016?

How many ER visits have we had this year vs 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, and 2016?



https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/g195/tontoz/.highres/funny_monkey.jpg


Btw...

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/09/covid-hospitalization-numbers-can-be-misleading/620062/


A new study suggests that almost half of those hospitalized with COVID-19 have mild or asymptomatic cases.


there are many COVID patients in the hospital with fairly mild symptoms, too, who have been admitted for further observation on account of their comorbidities, or because they reported feeling short of breath. Another portion of the patients in this tally are in the hospital for something unrelated to COVID, and discovered that they were infected only because they were tested upon admission.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497308-Anyone-believe-Covid-is-very-serious-but-at-same-time-the-vaccine-ain-t-doing-shit&p=14432305&viewfull=1#post14432305

May wanna look into how many people went into the hospital due to pregnancy-related issues, but happen to test positive for Covid-19 at some point in the hospital.


The study found that 45 percent of unvaccinated cases were mild or asymptomatic since January 21.

Even the corporate narrative sometimes admits some truth. :rolleyes:

Which is why, before people who make bold claims such as "hospitals are overwhelmed" and express a desire to place a mass injunction of hundreds of millions of people, that they should at least be able to answer some basic questions, such as the ones I listed above... as well as figuring out the absolute risk reduction of hospitalization and death over 6-12 months after becoming "fully vaccinated" from Covid-19, preferably broken down between different demographics such as age, prior immunity status, BMI, comorbidities, etc.

[bladefd]

J&J vaccine was put on hold earlier and as far as i knew was still on hold. Not sure when they resumed but they were on hold.

I was reading about people in Florida recently unable to even find an appointment for the J&J vaccine which surprised me.

From your link




TTS is the same thing that has caused the deaths from the AstraZeneca vaccine.

I know someone who died from heart-attack after getting clots. She already got over covid a month ago and also had the astrazeneca vaccine before getting covid so impossible to say what caused the clots between covid and the vaccine.

If you have a choice, go for Pfizer or moderna vaccine. Avoid the j&j. Astrazeneca is difficult to avoid in Europe/Asia since that is mostly all they have.

[tontoz]

He didn't indicate specifically whether those covid patients are vaccinated or not?



Vaccines
What percentage of unvaccinated versus vaccinated are hospitalized at Kootenai Health?

Since the beginning of our most recent surge, we have found 97% of patients hospitalized for COVID-19 are unvaccinated.



https://www.kh.org/covid-19/

[tontoz]

I know someone who died from heart-attack after getting clots. She already got over covid a month ago and also had the astrazeneca vaccine before getting covid so impossible to say what caused the clots between covid and the vaccine.

If you have a choice, go for Pfizer or moderna vaccine. Avoid the j&j. Astrazeneca is difficult to avoid in Europe/Asia since that is mostly all they have.



I wonder if just taking aspirin after getting the vaccine would give enough protection from blood clots.

[Manny98]

New Zealand woman dies after receiving Pfizer vaccine

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58380867

Pfizer's jab puts teenage boys at risk more than COVID due to side effects, says study

https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/us-news/pfizers-jab-puts-teenage-boys-at-risk-more-than-covid-due-to-side-effects-says-study.html

Jackie O reveals ex experienced adverse reaction to Pfizer vaccine

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/radio/jackie-o-reveals-ex-experienced-adverse-reaction-to-pfizer-vaccine/news-story/0a734cde4b7cf42f3717e1b96fd9ade1

I could go on

There isn't a single vaccine that's 100% safe for the public and if it's not absolutely 100% safe then it shouldn't be mandated because that's practically murder

[Axe]

https://www.kh.org/covid-19/
Yikes.

[tontoz]

New Zealand woman dies after receiving Pfizer vaccine

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58380867

Pfizer's jab puts teenage boys at risk more than COVID due to side effects, says study

https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/us-news/pfizers-jab-puts-teenage-boys-at-risk-more-than-covid-due-to-side-effects-says-study.html

Jackie O reveals ex experienced adverse reaction to Pfizer vaccine

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/radio/jackie-o-reveals-ex-experienced-adverse-reaction-to-pfizer-vaccine/news-story/0a734cde4b7cf42f3717e1b96fd9ade1

I could go on

There isn't a single vaccine that's 100% safe for the public and if it's not absolutely 100% safe then it shouldn't be mandated because that's practically murder


No vaccine has ever been 100% safe. That hasn't stopped mandates in the past.

Covid itself can cause myocarditis and pericarditis so it isn't a surprise that the vaccine can cause it too. The CDC reported 817 documented cases of it over 350 million doses.

From your link, the study which wasn't peer reviewed.




Not just Pfizer, Moderna's COVID vaccination was also linked to some similar occurrences. Furthermore, scientists must determine whether healthy 12-15-year-old males will confront a similar predicament if vaccinated. Because the vast majority of myocarditis develops after the second dose of vaccination, giving children single doses could protect them while also lowering their chance of adverse effects.

[Manny98]

No vaccine has ever been 100% safe. That hasn't stopped mandates in the past.

Covid itself can cause myocarditis and pericarditis so it isn't a surprise that the vaccine can cause it too. The CDC reported 817 documented cases of it over 350 million doses.

From your link, the study which wasn't peer reviewed.
No those other vaccines that have been mandated have gone through the proper testing procedures which takes years and the potential side effects from those vaccines are minor

Otoh there has been many reports of adverse side effects from the Covid vaccine, it hasn't gone through the proper testing, they're reports of vaccines being more deadly to young people than the virus itself so it's not a comparison.

[tontoz]

No those other vaccines that have been mandated have gone through the proper testing procedures which takes years and the potential side effects from those vaccines are minor

Otoh there has been many reports of adverse side effects from the Covid vaccine, it hasn't gone through the proper testing, they're reports of vaccines being more deadly to young people than the virus itself so it's not a comparison.


The covid vaccine isn't just one vaccine. It is several, developed in many different nations. If you are looking to take one vaccine you don't have to worry about side effects from all the others.


For example the primary risk of the AstraZeneca is TTS, blood clots. It wouldn't be hard to take steps for avoid blood clots. You don't have to worry about Myocarditis.

The original mRNA vaccines weren't approved for kids under 18. It shouldn't be tough to tweak it for teens, for example one dose instead of 2.

[AKA_AAP]

Is there any documentation on which democrat in Congress has not been vaccinated?