How did LeBron go 16-6 vs Kobe?

[GrayGoat]

Can anyone explain? 3ball?

[RRR3]

3ball hid under the bed whenever LeBron mathced up with Kobe. He knew he was most likely in for a long night of tears, pissed bedsheets and tubs of ice cream.

[MadDog]

Regular-season, but LeBron did outplay Kobe statistically.


3ball hid under the bed whenever LeBron mathced up with Kobe. He knew he was most likely in for a long night of tears, pissed bedsheets and tubs of ice cream.

Wow lol. Not a good look for 3ball. Idk how the dude got "exposed" as a Kobe fan, but he should just make arguments for him. :confusedshrug: There probably isn't one credible, however bringing up Jordan shouldn't be done anymore.

[GrayGoat]

Regular-season, but LeBron did outplay Kobe statistically.



Wow lol. Not a good look for 3ball. Idk how the dude got "exposed" as a Kobe fan, but he should just make arguments for him. :confusedshrug: There probably isn't one credible, however bringing up Jordan shouldn't be done anymore.
Agreed

[RRR3]

Regular-season, but LeBron did outplay Kobe statistically.



Wow lol. Not a good look for 3ball. Idk how the dude got "exposed" as a Kobe fan, but he should just make arguments for him. :confusedshrug: There probably isn't one credible, however bringing up Jordan shouldn't be done anymore.
Leave Jordan to the Jordan fans, I agree. Imagine being afraid to admit who your favorite player is lmao. Oh if you want to know how he got exposed here:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496852-3ball-slips-up-reveals-self-to-be-a-butthurt-Kobe-stan-just-using-MJ-to-attack-LBJ



Years ago he also said Kobe would drop 60 on MJ if they played each other in their prime

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron won bronze medals, Kobe won gold medals. Lebron lost with HCA to Dwight, Kobe won with HCA against Dwight Howard. Lebron lost with HCA to Pierce, Kobe won with HCA against Pierce. Need I say more?

[Rysio]

LeBron always brought his A game vs kobe I don't think Kobe took that match up as seriously as LeBron.

[MadDog]

Anyone have the 1v1 numbers for this h2h? :confusedshrug: Seen it floating around the internet before. Idk maybe it was reddit? Wherever it was, I can no longer find it.


Leave Jordan to the Jordan fans, I agree. Imagine being afraid to admit who your favorite player is lmao. Oh if you want to know how he got exposed here:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496852-3ball-slips-up-reveals-self-to-be-a-butthurt-Kobe-stan-just-using-MJ-to-attack-LBJ

Ouch lol

[LAL]

Kobe absolutely humiliated him 1 on 1. It was nuts. It's on tape, anyone want to see it? And he would never call for a screen too... lebron almost everytime. 5/7 in his 10 year prime btw.

[LAL]

Anyone have the 1v1 numbers for this h2h? :confusedshrug: Seen it floating around the internet before. Idk maybe it was reddit? Wherever it was, I can no longer find it.

Are you sure you want to do this?

[MadDog]

Are you sure you want to do this?

I'm not a part of the Jordan\Kobe\LeBron ISH faction. Post the stats lol

[LAL]

I'm not a part of the Jordan\Kobe\LeBron ISH faction. Post the stats lol

I saw it somewhere too, can't find it. Check out the footage it's ridiculous.


https://youtu.be/N8txXSOuZQI

[Axe]

I'm not a part of the Jordan\Kobe\LeBron ISH faction. Post the stats lol
You used to despise on kong tho, i believe.

[Axe]

Kobe absolutely humiliated him 1 on 1. It was nuts. It's on tape, anyone want to see it? And he would never call for a screen too... lebron almost everytime. 5/7 in his 10 year prime btw.
Kong has twice the amount of mamba's finals mvp count too, geezer.

[3ba11]

Who cares about regular season because Lebron won 66 games in 2009 but couldn't get past Dwight, and then won 62 games but couldn't get past 2nd Round in 2010... So he wouldn't beat Kobe in the playoffs either... :confusedshrug:

As another example - in 1989, the Cavs had 3 all-stars plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper and achieved the #1 SRS rating - they were 6-0 against Jordan's low seeded team, yet Jordan beat them in the playoffs

So who cares about regular season... :confusedshrug:

[Axe]

Who cares about regular season because Lebron won 66 games in 2009 but couldn't get past Dwight, and then won 62 games but couldn't get past 2nd Round in 2010... So he wouldn't beat Kobe in the playoffs either... :confusedshrug:

As another example - in 1989, the Cavs had 3 all-stars plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper and achieved the #1 SRS rating - they were 6-0 against Jordan's low seeded team, yet Jordan beat them in the playoffs

So who cares about regular season... :confusedshrug:
Funny how you had to bring him in a thread that has nothing to do with him. :roll:

[MadDog]

I saw it somewhere too, can't find it. Check out the footage it's ridiculous.


https://youtu.be/N8txXSOuZQI

Yeah I've seen this clip, its very well made. Kobe might not have gotten the best of this matchup, record wise or with all-around stats. He definitely had the 1v1 advantage though.


You used to despise on kong tho, i believe.

Of those three, I like LeBron the least. For me he's overrated when GOAT discussions are brought up.

[3ba11]

Yeah I've seen this clip, its very well made. Kobe might not have gotten the best of this matchup, record wise or with all-around stats. He definitely had the 1v1 advantage though.



Of those three, I like LeBron the least. For me he's overrated when GOAT discussions are brought up.


People don't realize that Lebron's team won more games and was the league favorite heading into the 2009 and 2010 Playoffs, so his team had the advantage in the regular season when adjustments aren't made.

But surely Kobe would've truimphed in the playoffs, given that Dwight did with a 1-star team as a massive underdog, and post-injury Garnett/Pierce did as massive underdogs too

[MadDog]

People don't realize that Lebron's team won more games and was the league favorite heading into the 2009 and 2010 Playoffs, so his team had the advantage in the regular season when adjustments aren't made.

But surely Kobe would've truimphed in the playoffs, given that Dwight did with a 1-star team as a massive underdog, and post-injury Garnett/Pierce did as massive underdogs too

For those who watched? I think we all realize that. The Lakers and Cavs only play each other twice a year and usually months apart. That's the reason I asked for the 1 on 1 data. From the looks of the video, LeBron couldn't hang with Kobe's first step. Even in 2016. 38 year old Kobe faked LeBron out of his shoes on some of these plays.

[Gohan]

Oh so now regular season counts? Got it

[deathawaitu]

Kobe doesn’t care about the season. He only cares about the playoff that’s why 5 rings

Whereas 13ebron stats pad hence 2 rings only

Next boy

[Manny98]

I saw it somewhere too, can't find it. Check out the footage it's ridiculous.


https://youtu.be/N8txXSOuZQI
Jesus, LeBron got destroyed

[Kenny Griffin]

no hope for any of you. you will all die alone talking about kobe

[RRR3]

Basketball isn’t played one on one. Kobetards once again proving all they care about is PPGZ

[Bronbron23]

Can anyone explain? 3ball?

Cool regular season stat. He has a losing head to head record in the playoffs against pretty much everyone.

[RRR3]

Poor dumbdumb23. Another sleepless night ranting about Bron in his dreams coming right up.

[Bronbron23]

Poor dumbdumb23. Another sleepless night ranting about Bron in his dreams coming right up.

Sure buddy. I'm not the one who made the thread on a sat night about how bron has a better regular season record than kobe h2h. That was one of your loser buddies. Kobe’s been retired and passed and yall losers crying about a better regular season stat. Yall are the most unaware fan base ever :facepalm

[RRR3]

Sure buddy. I'm not the one who made the thread on a sat night about how bron has a better regular season record than kobe h2h. That was one of your loser buddies. Kobe’s been retired and passed and yall losers crying about a better regular season stat. Yall are the most unaware fan base ever :facepalm
The thread is to troll 3ball but you’re too retarded to keep up as usual.

[HoopsNY]

Leave Jordan to the Jordan fans, I agree. Imagine being afraid to admit who your favorite player is lmao. Oh if you want to know how he got exposed here:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496852-3ball-slips-up-reveals-self-to-be-a-butthurt-Kobe-stan-just-using-MJ-to-attack-LBJ



Years ago he also said Kobe would drop 60 on MJ if they played each other in their prime

Wowww, just seeing this. 3ball is a Kobe stan who is bitter that Bron passed him :lol

[Bronbron23]

The thread is to troll 3ball but you’re too retarded to keep up as usual.

So yall troll and i give a legit response and i'm the retarded one? This is bron stan intelligence at its finest. You guys are on fire lately:facepalm

[RRR3]

Wowww, just seeing this. 3ball is a Kobe stan who is bitter that Bron passed him :lol
It all fits. Multiple Jordan fans (Kblaze, Kuniva) have said he clearly didn’t follow the 90s Bulls closely.

[RRR3]

So yall troll and i give a legit response and i'm the retarded one? This is bron stan intelligence at its finest. You guys are on fire lately:facepalm
I’m in awe of your stupidity.

[Bronbron23]

I’m in awe of your stupidity.

Says the stuttering troll :oldlol:

[RRR3]

I’m retarded
:lol

[Phoenix]

Leave Jordan to the Jordan fans, I agree. Imagine being afraid to admit who your favorite player is lmao. Oh if you want to know how he got exposed here:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496852-3ball-slips-up-reveals-self-to-be-a-butthurt-Kobe-stan-just-using-MJ-to-attack-LBJ



Years ago he also said Kobe would drop 60 on MJ if they played each other in their prime

Well well well.....

[RRR3]

Well well well.....
Yep. From now on just troll him with 16-6 (LeBron’s record against Kobe) or LeBron doubling Kobe’s FMVPs. He doesn’t actually care about Jordan.

[Ne 1]

On paper, without context that looks bad. Just like the “MJ is 1-9 without Pippen” trolling. However correlation doesn’t imply causation. If you’re being objective, you’d take into account that when they played each other, LeBron more often had better teams. Also, Kobe started declining around 2010/2011. He was still able to play at a high level despite that, but was never the same again after the achilles rapture in 2013. To be fair, I’m not counting the Lakers wins in 2004 and 2005 because Kobe got injured and left those game early But pre “decision” it was 3-6. Personally, I wouldn’t say 3 regular season wins is a big indicator of much, but you can make of those facts what you want.

[Bronbron23]

On paper, without context that looks bad. Just like the “MJ is 1-9 without Pippen” trolling. However correlation doesn’t imply causation. If you’re being objective, you’d take into account that when they played each other, LeBron more often had better teams. Also, Kobe started declining around 2010/2011. He was still able to play at a high level despite that, but was never the same again after the achilles rapture in 2013. To be fair, I’m not counting the Lakers wins in 2004 and 2005 because Kobe got injured and left those game early But pre “decision” it was 3-6. Personally, I wouldn’t say 3 regular season wins is a big indicator of much, but you can make of those facts what you want.

Great answer but this is a troll thread so honest answers are aren't welcomed. This is how bad this place is getting.

[3ba11]

Lebron's 16-6 means nothing because he went 66-16 against the league but still lost to Dwight, and then his "not 6, not 7" team lost to Dirk

Yet that's the best we've ever seen according to the media and new fans - super-teams and 1 seeds losing to 1-star underdogs... :facepalm:

[RRR3]

Lebron's 16-6 means nothing because he went 66-16 against the league but still lost to Dwight, and then his "not 6, not 7" team lost to Dirk

Yet that's the best we've ever seen according to the media and new fans - super-teams and 1 seeds losing to 1-star underdogs... :facepalm:
LeBron abused Kobe worse than you get abused in every thread :eek:

[Phoenix]

89 Pippen.

[TheCorporation]

By leading in every statistical category. It was like 2016 Finals dominance all over again:

https://i.postimg.cc/85QGMVWq/12be-Does-Not-Belong.png

[GrayGoat]

By leading in every statistical category. It was like 2016 Finals dominance all over again:

https://i.postimg.cc/85QGMVWq/12be-Does-Not-Belong.png

That’s a wrap here folks. Mods sticky for historical references

[DoctorP]

Lebrons better than Kobe and so was Jordan now shut it.

[GrayGoat]

Lebrons better than Kobe and so was Jordan now shut it.

Facts

[GrayGoat]

Who cares about regular season because Lebron won 66 games in 2009 but couldn't get past Dwight, and then won 62 games but couldn't get past 2nd Round in 2010... So he wouldn't beat Kobe in the playoffs either... :confusedshrug:

As another example - in 1989, the Cavs had 3 all-stars plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper and achieved the #1 SRS rating - they were 6-0 against Jordan's low seeded team, yet Jordan beat them in the playoffs

So who cares about regular season... :confusedshrug:

Who cares about regular season? Ok, 4 fmvp vs 2 fmvp

[Axe]

Who cares about regular season? Ok, 4 fmvp vs 2 fmvp
:oldlol:

[Lebron23]

because LeBron is the superior player

[ELITEpower23]

Who cares about regular season? Ok, 4 fmvp vs 2 fmvp

:oldlol:

[Lebron23]

LeBron is the Kobe Stopper

[outofstomach]

Oh so now regular season counts? Got it

:lol bronsexuals have NO consistency whatsoever

[Baller789]

LeBron is the Kobe Stopper

He sure is.

https://i.ibb.co/ykyW48P/d6e1dd72136c0ebb0dc78132f8041aab.gif (https://imgbb.com/)

[ThRRR3tardSatan]

How did Lebron never pass Jordan in titles despite refs rigging games?

Who knows... it's a mystery.

[kawhileonard2]

Can anyone explain? 3ball?

Why was he scared of him in 2009 and 2010 finals?

[kawhileonard2]

Hello is this on?

[TheGoatest]

Kobe made the finals 4 times while LeBron was in the league.
LeBron made the finals 7 times while Kobe was in the league.

Who exactly was dodging meeting who in the finals? :oldlol:

[Baller789]

Who exactly was dodging meeting who in the finals? :oldlol:

So you're saying one of them purposely lost in the playoffs because he was afraid of the other?

Makes total sense. :crazysam:

[Lebron23]

LeBron also destroyed Kobe in a head to head matchup.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/games_between/kobe_bryant_vs_lebron_james.htm

Averages
Player
Points Rebounds Assists Steals Blocks
Kobe Bryant 24.6 5.0 5.2 1.1 0.2
LeBron James 28.2 7.4 7.3 1.9 0.7

LeBron is just a superior player than Prime Kobe

[eliteballer]

Steroids, Super Teams, and Kobe getting old.

[HoopsNY]

Steroids, Super Teams, and Kobe getting old.

LeBron's H2H against Kobe is equally as dominating prior to him joining Miami. The fact remains that LeBron was the superior player and it showed in everything including H2H matchups. Sure, Kobe got the better of him 1 on 1, but this isn't playground basketball, this is the NBA.

Kobe fans repeatedly try to hide this fact, but there are simply too many notches on LeBron's belt to ignore. From 2006 to 2013, LeBron is 12-4 against Kobe, and 16-6 overall. The sample spans many years and the majority of them, the teams were about even. And not only is the W/L record favoring LeBron, decisively, but the statistical comparison favors him, too.

Kobe was a phenomenal player, but he simply wasn't the player LeBron was/is.

[HunterSThompson]

years lebron had a deeper all around team


2005
2006
2007
2009 (arguably kobe but cavs better record)
2010 (arguably kobe but cavs better record and kobe hurt)
2011
2012
2013
2014
2015
2016


years kobe had a deeper all around team

2004
2008


that's how.

kobe won more titles when both were prime (2 to zero)

and he outscored lebron in 1 on 1 matchups by 50+

[eliteballer]

LeBron's H2H against Kobe is equally as dominating prior to him joining Miami. The fact remains that LeBron was the superior player and it showed in everything including H2H matchups. Sure, Kobe got the better of him 1 on 1, but this isn't playground basketball, this is the NBA.

Kobe fans repeatedly try to hide this fact, but there are simply too many notches on LeBron's belt to ignore. From 2006 to 2013, LeBron is 12-4 against Kobe, and 16-6 overall. The sample spans many years and the majority of them, the teams were about even. And not only is the W/L record favoring LeBron, decisively, but the statistical comparison favors him, too.

Kobe was a phenomenal player, but he simply wasn't the player LeBron was/is.

No you dope. Kobe barely played in a couple of pre Miami games due to injuries. It’s also don’t see you pointing out LeBrons roid usage.

[RRR3]

No you dope. Kobe barely played in a couple of pre Miami games due to injuries. It’s also don’t see you pointing out LeBrons roid usage.
LeBron has ruined your life.

[Full Court]

LeBron's H2H against Kobe is equally as dominating prior to him joining Miami. The fact remains that LeBron was the superior player and it showed in everything including H2H matchups. Sure, Kobe got the better of him 1 on 1, but this isn't playground basketball, this is the NBA.

Kobe fans repeatedly try to hide this fact, but there are simply too many notches on LeBron's belt to ignore. From 2006 to 2013, LeBron is 12-4 against Kobe, and 16-6 overall. The sample spans many years and the majority of them, the teams were about even. And not only is the W/L record favoring LeBron, decisively, but the statistical comparison favors him, too.

Kobe was a phenomenal player, but he simply wasn't the player LeBron was/is.

First of all, I have Lebron ranked slightly ahead of Kobe all time, so that's not what I'm taking issue with.

However, Kevin Durant is 9-5 against Lebron in the post season. Using your logic, does that mean KD is the better player, since 1 on 1 doesn't matter?

[Mr. Woke]

LeBron is flat out better than Kobe.

LeBron is also more likable and not a rapist.

[HunterSThompson]

LeBron is flat out better than Kobe.

LeBron is also more likable and not a rapist.

kobe is flat out better than lebron

hah. gotcha

[Hey Yo]

First of all, I have Lebron ranked slightly ahead of Kobe all time, so that's not what I'm taking issue with.

However, Kevin Durant is 9-5 against Lebron in the post season. Using your logic, does that mean KD is the better player, since 1 on 1 doesn't matter?

Why use KD postseason record when the guy you're quoting is comparing regular season record?

[Baller789]

LeBron is flat out better than Kobe.

LeBron is also more likable and not a rapist.

PEDs

[HoopsNY]

First of all, I have Lebron ranked slightly ahead of Kobe all time, so that's not what I'm taking issue with.

However, Kevin Durant is 9-5 against Lebron in the post season. Using your logic, does that mean KD is the better player, since 1 on 1 doesn't matter?

This isn't an all other factors being equal scenario. KD joined a 73 win team which tipped the scales entirely. And by 2018, the Cavs were a very depleted team when compared to GS.

Look at the samples that are at least on even footing.

Miami was 5-1 vs. LAL between 2011-13.

Cleveland was 7-3 vs. LAL between 2006-10

I don't think it's fair to use 2003-05 because LeBron was a rookie and on a bad team in 2003-04. The Lakers also had a stacked team in 2003-04. And 2004-05 was bad for them both, but it favors Kobe who was in his prime and 8th year vs LeBron who was only in his 2nd.

Judging based on the above, the fairest sample comes between the 2005-06 and 2009-10 seasons. Both teams were more evenly matched. During that stretch, LeBron's team won 70% of the games. How about the statistical comparison?

LeBron '06-'10 vs. LAL: 29/7/7/2/1 on 44%
Kobe '06-'10 vs. CLE: 29/6/6/1/0 on 42%

The numbers are close here, but LeBron has a slight edge. Their TS% is the same btw, despite Kobe shooting much higher from the line.

[HoopsNY]

No you dope. Kobe barely played in a couple of pre Miami games due to injuries. It’s also don’t see you pointing out LeBrons roid usage.

Is this a serious argument or are you just trolling? Injuries are part of the game. It's been a long time and I can't recall Kobe being incapable in any of those games, and he averaged 41 minutes a game throughout that sample.

As for roids, then the burden of proof is upon the claimant. You're claiming LeBron was on steroids, any proof of that? If not, then that argument holds no weight.

[Mr. Woke]

kobe is flat out better than lebron

hah. gotcha

Wrong.

[Mr. Woke]

PEDs


No proof of that.

[Baller789]

No proof of that.

Sure there isn't :whatever:

[Lebron23]

because Lebron is the superior player

[kawhileonard2]

The same reason why he lost to Dwight Howard with HCA while Kobe beat Dwight Howard with HCA.

[AirBonner]

because Lebron is the superior player

Agree

[2much_knowledge]

I have no idea why. Some teams just struggle against specific inferior teams. But, orlando bounced the cavs easily, as easy as the lakers bounced them.

[kawhileonard2]

I have no idea why. Some teams just struggle against specific inferior teams. But, orlando bounced the cavs easily, as easy as the lakers bounced them.

This

[Lebron23]

Lebron always played hard against Kobe since his rookie season.

[TheGoatest]

It really is astonishing how consistently LeBron subjugated Kobe throughout their careers. I can understand prime LeBron beating Kobe, because you know of the fact that prime LeBron was a vastly superior player than Kobe was at any time of his career, but the fact that a just-turned-20 2nd year LeBron beat a 26 year-old 9th season veteran Kobe while also statistically outplaying him is truly remarkable.

And as always, when this subject comes up, I have to point out that 2 of Kobe's 6 wins come with a huge asterisk, because Kobe only played something like 8 and 18 minutes in two of those Lakers wins, and had no impact on the outcome of the game. So their head2head record is more like 16-4.

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron always played hard against Kobe since his rookie season.

Seems like Lebron lost on purpose to Kobe.

[light]

Can anyone explain? 3ball?

Kobe was intimidated by LeBron. Bron always got the best of him.

Bron is 16-6 vs Giannis as well. Giannis is also intimidated by LeBron. Same results.

[Lebron23]

Kobe Stopper

[Lebron23]

3ball hid under the bed whenever LeBron mathced up with Kobe. He knew he was most likely in for a long night of tears, pissed bedsheets and tubs of ice cream.

Lebron and his team were really a bad matchup for Kobe

[Lebron23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoEUd3YfnWc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txlA58eU4IY

LeBron "The Kobe Stopper" James

[HoopsNY]

This is another feather in LeBron's cap over Kobe. Granted, the two are closer than LeBron stans would care to admit. It would have been amazing had the Cavs made the finals in 2009. That would have probably been one of the greatest finals to ever witness.

[Lebron23]

Bump for nineron.

[ImKobe]

This is another feather in LeBron's cap over Kobe. Granted, the two are closer than LeBron stans would care to admit. It would have been amazing had the Cavs made the finals in 2009. That would have probably been one of the greatest finals to ever witness.

What cap? A sample size of 22 games over the span of 13 years, where the two never played in the same Conference and thus weren't even true rivals? The H2H was a lot closer before Kobe & the Lakers hit the wall in the post-Phil Jackson era while Bran formed superteams and beat down on the Lakers when they were in the lottery by the end of KB's career.

[HoopsNY]

What cap? A sample size of 22 games over the span of 13 years, where the two never played in the same Conference and thus weren't even true rivals? The H2H was a lot closer before Kobe & the Lakers hit the wall in the post-Phil Jackson era while Bran formed superteams and beat down on the Lakers when they were in the lottery by the end of KB's career.

Listen broski, I know you're a Kobe fan and I respect that. I liked Kobe too. But we can't keep pretending that Kobe was a better player than LeBron.

From 2006-2010, LeBron was 7-3 vs. the Lakers. The teams were about even, though you could make the argument that Kobe had a slightly better cast from 2008-10.

[ImKobe]

Listen broski, I know you're a Kobe fan and I respect that. I liked Kobe too. But we can't keep pretending that Kobe was a better player than LeBron.

From 2006-2010, LeBron was 7-3 vs. the Lakers. The teams were about even, though you could make the argument that Kobe had a slightly better cast from 2008-10.

What does a H2H RS record with that small of a sample size have to do with comparing the two players overall? Not one of those games was even played at the end of the RS when seeding might have really been on the line in a must-win situation.

If you think that 22 random RS match-ups from December-March should have any impact on picking either player, you might also want to consider the 7 - 15 record Lebron has against Curry in the Finals when you're trying to rank them on a GOAT list. Maybe we should also not rank Bran over Duncan (I obviously have Duncan higher) when he went 5 - 11 against him in the Finals either.

[HoopsNY]

What does a H2H RS record with that small of a sample size have to do with comparing the two players overall? Not one of those games was even played at the end of the RS when seeding might have really been on the line in a must-win situation.

If you think that 22 random RS match-ups from December-March should have any impact on picking either player, you might also want to consider the 7 - 15 record Lebron has against Curry in the Finals when you're trying to rank them on a GOAT list. Maybe we should also not rank Bran over Duncan (I obviously have Duncan higher) when he went 5 - 11 against him in the Finals either.

Context means everything. In the case of Curry, 2017 and 2018 throws the data off because GS added KD. And in 2015, both Love and Kyrie were injured. 2016 is the only fair sample, though you could argue that losing Draymond and not having Bogut hurt them, in addition to Steph's injury. In 2018, LeBron didn't have Kyrie. This just isn't a fair example.

In the case of Duncan, then you have a point to an extent. But in 2007, it was obviously lopsided. 2013 was in favor of LeBron, though he formed a superteam, and 2014 was in favor of Duncan.

But the H2H record isn't the only reason why LeBron is ahead of Kobe. You have to look at finals, elimination game, and game 7 performances. When you look at the H2H matchups, then it's really just the icing on the cake.

[WhiteKyrie]

They only really played two times a year.

And their style gave Kobe’s Lakers problems. They muddied the game up. West coast teams, Kobe’s play style in particular are adverse to physicality given they are more finesse and skill based teams / games. Kobe in particular was footwork and jumper.

Kobe struggles against the mid 2000s Pistons defense and the late 2000s Celtics by comparison to how Wade and LeBron performed against them showed the slight flaw in his offensive arsenal. He was less prone to taking it to the basket for efficient baskets and physicality, no matter how much Kobe acted like he enjoyed it, actually gave him quite a bit of issue.

It was even apparent against the really talentless 2001 Iverson Sixers in the NBA Finals.

But two game sample size every year is not enough to determine anything.

I think in a best of seven series, talent always wins out. Kobe‘s Lakers wouldn’t have had trouble with LeBron‘s Cleveland teams in a series. The proof is in the pudding of what they both did to the Orlando Magic in 2009.

It truly is a shame, but for the league, the fans, and these two players in particular that were being constantly compared from 2006 to 2010 then we never saw a Kobe Lakers vs LeBron Cavs in the Finals.

In 2009, Mo Williams and Bron’s supporting cast failed him talent wise.

In 2010, LeBron visibly quit on his team mid series vs the Celtics in the semis.

It would’ve been the modern Bird vs Magic and would’ve done big business for the league and for Nike.

[ImKobe]

Context means everything. In the case of Curry, 2017 and 2018 throws the data off because GS added KD. And in 2015, both Love and Kyrie were injured. 2016 is the only fair sample, though you could argue that losing Draymond and not having Bogut hurt them, in addition to Steph's injury. In 2018, LeBron didn't have Kyrie. This just isn't a fair example.

In the case of Duncan, then you have a point to an extent. But in 2007, it was obviously lopsided. 2013 was in favor of LeBron, though he formed a superteam, and 2014 was in favor of Duncan.

But the H2H record isn't the only reason why LeBron is ahead of Kobe. You have to look at finals, elimination game, and game 7 performances. When you look at the H2H matchups, then it's really just the icing on the cake.

Oh NOW context matters and NOW their supporting casts matter, huh? A RS H2H record matters jack shit when comparing players.. KB's teams just weren't as good (on top of his own decline & injuries) from 2012-16 and I'd argue that his supporting casts were worse from '05 until '08 as well, but again their RS match-ups were in Dec-March when really nothing was on the line and there's injuries on both sides so idk why anyone would use that to make any case, other than the obsessed Bran stans.

Bran stans will only bring up context when defending his garbage Finals record and his Playoff chokes in general.. KB played his career in a different era where perimeter scorers just weren't that efficient, in fact he played in the worst era (00-04) for perimeter scorers as the FG% & TS% numbers were insanely low compared to the average elite scorer you see today, but again context only matters when we're defending Bran's Finals record.

[kawhileonard2]

I wonder why he was afraid of him in the finals that he lost with HCA prior to it against inferior players.

[Lebron23]

Lebron always brought his A game against Kobe.

[AirBonner]

LeBron destroyed Kobe

[Lebron23]

LeBron destroyed Kobe

The Kobe Stopper

The Kobe Destroyer

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron always brought his A game against Kobe.

But in the playoffs would have been a different story.

[Yeezy]

lebrons had the better regular season team most years. individually in their 1 on 1 plays however kobe did mess up lebron pretty badly



dunno if this youtube link still works but this was the play by play

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncMtXkL4Gu4

lebron 2 point hook shot shot 2-0
Kobe 3 point shot 2-3
Kobe 2 point running bank shot 2-5
Kobe 2 point up and under layup 2-7
Lebron 2 point layup 4-7
Kobe 2 point jumper 4-9
Kobe 2 point jumper 4-11
Kobe 2 point jumper 4-13
Kobe 3 point fall away shot 4-16
Kobe 2 point jumper 4-18
Kobe 3 point pull up 4-21
Kobe 2 point fall away bank shot 4-23
Kobe 3 point step back 4-26
Kobe 2 point fall away 4-28
Lebron 2 point fast break dunk 6-28
Lebron 2 point fade away 8-28
Kobe 2 point pull up shot 8-30
Lebron 2 point layup 10-30
Kobe 2 point running bank shot 10-32
Kobe 2 point jumper 10-34
Kobe 2 point jumper 10-36
Lebron 2 point jumper 12-36
Kobe 2 point layup 12-38
Lebron 2 point jumper 14-38
Kobe 2 point jumper 14-40
Lebron 2 point jumper 16-40
Kobe 2 point fall away shot 16-42
Kobe 3 point face up shot 16-45
Lebron 2 point fall away shot 19-45
Kobe 2 point high arching fade away 19-47
Kobe 2 point running leaner 19-49
Kobe 2 point dunk 19-51
Kobe 2 point rainbow fade away 19-53
Lebron 3 point step back 22-53
Kobe 2 point dunk 22-55
Kobe 3 point jumper 22-58
Lebron 2 point layup 24-58
Kobe 2 point fade away 24-60
Kobe 2 point layup 24-62
Kobe 2 point jumper 24-64
Kobe 2 point layup 24-66
Kobe 2 point fade away 24-68
Lebron 2 point layup 26-68
Kobe 2 point fake out layup 26-70
Lebron 2 point dunk 28-70
Kobe 2 point fade away 28-72
Kobe 3 point face up shot 28-75
Kobe 2 point fade away 28-77
Kobe 2 point pull up 28-79





Kobe won their career 1 on 1 matchups BY 50+ points

[sportjames23]

Still waiting for someone to explain how Lebron went 4-6 in the Finals. :confusedshrug:

[GrayGoat]

Yeazy any idea? ;)

[gbaLL]

ra$ta:
app state - 9
oakland u - 24

[Yeezy]

Yeazy any idea? ;)

lebron had the better roster in 2005, 2006, 2007 and half of 2008

then gunned for mvp while Kobe was hurt during the season with hand and knee issues in 2009, 2010

then lebron colluded with super teams in 2011, 2012, 2013

then kobe played on one leg for 2014, 2015, 2016 on lottery teams tanking for draft picks


all I know for sure is kobe demolished lebron when they defended each other


kobe outscored lebron by 50 points 1 on 1

[RRR3]

Still waiting for someone to explain how Lebron went 4-6 in the Finals. :confusedshrug:
He didn’t get to play Kobe.

[red1]

He didn’t get to play Kobe.

gotdamn :roll:

[red1]

game 7 NBA finals to ice the championship


GOAT shit


https://images.latintimes.com/sites/latintimes.com/files/0/74/7427.jpg

[red1]

2-0 game 7 NBA finals record.


only finals MVP over a 70-win team in NBA history.


https://wp.usatodaysports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2013/06/lebron31.gif
https://media.tenor.com/5Z0KOZ1aZZYAAAAC/blocked-bye-felicia.gif

[Yeezy]

He didn’t get to play Kobe.

who did he get to play in 2009. what happened. I forget

[Yeezy]

2-0 game 7 NBA finals record.


only finals MVP over a 70-win team in NBA history.


https://wp.usatodaysports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2013/06/lebron31.gif
https://media.tenor.com/5Z0KOZ1aZZYAAAAC/blocked-bye-felicia.gif

what happened a game before the miami gif and right after the Cleveland gif

i forget

[Yeezy]

game 7 NBA finals to ice the championship


GOAT shit


https://images.latintimes.com/sites/latintimes.com/files/0/74/7427.jpg

why was there a game 7. I forget

[red1]

what happened a game before the miami gif and right after the Cleveland gif

i forget


king james that's what happened.


only player with a finals MVP on three franchises. GOAT shit.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b3/75/c7/b375c7a409b2c1eaafcf56ef23a110b3.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/69/ea/a4/69eaa4097920867bd04799f9de4a18c8.jpg

[Da_Realist]

Regular Season. David Robinson won 30 out of 42 regular season games against Hakeem Olajuwon. The regular season is the prep work for the real season. Lots of experimenting, trying new lineups, adjusting to injuries, boredom, lack of motivation and long months of travel against different teams every other night.

The playoffs are a different animal and a true barometer of how good a guy is. That's when he has to deal with focused defensive attention from the same team over the course of seven games. Totally different animal than some one-off game in December before playing the Sacramento Kings the next night. And this is magnified when two teams only see each other twice a year.

[Lebron23]

Regular Season. David Robinson won 30 out of 42 regular season games against Hakeem Olajuwon. The regular season is the prep work for the real season. Lots of experimenting, trying new lineups, adjusting to injuries, boredom, lack of motivation and long months of travel against different teams every other night.

The playoffs are a different animal and a true barometer of how good a guy is. That's when he has to deal with focused defensive attention from the same team over the course of seven games. Totally different animal than some one-off game in December before playing the Sacramento Kings the next night. And this is magnified when two teams only see each other twice a year.


Kobe averaged 25 ppg on 40 FG% in the NBA Finals against the so called leastern conference teams.

[kawhileonard2]

Same guy who lost to Dwight Howard with HCA. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page11

[Yeezy]

Kobe averaged 25 ppg on 40 FG% in the NBA Finals against the so called leastern conference teams.

now that i know this is 1987 lakers/aka steve its really creepy how much he posts as a fake filipino

[Lebron23]

Superior player. Even Kobe knew it

[kawhileonard2]

Superior player. Even Kobe knew it

Kobe was greater for sure. Only won gold medals as well.

[Lebron23]

LeBron is the Ultimate Kobe Stopper.

[aj1987]

Oh NOW context matters and NOW their supporting casts matter, huh? A RS H2H record matters jack shit when comparing players.. KB's teams just weren't as good (on top of his own decline & injuries) from 2012-16 and I'd argue that his supporting casts were worse from '05 until '08 as well, but again their RS match-ups were in Dec-March when really nothing was on the line and there's injuries on both sides so idk why anyone would use that to make any case, other than the obsessed Bran stans.

Bran stans will only bring up context when defending his garbage Finals record and his Playoff chokes in general.. KB played his career in a different era where perimeter scorers just weren't that efficient, in fact he played in the worst era (00-04) for perimeter scorers as the FG% & TS% numbers were insanely low compared to the average elite scorer you see today, but again context only matters when we're defending Bran's Finals record.

Even if you hardcore cherry pick, Kobe's efficiency from '05 to '10 is 56.4% TS%. LeBron was still more efficient than Kobe during the same stretch. You want to talk about LeBron's "chokes" in the PO's? Kobe has infinitely more chokes. Also, Kobe's teams were quite easily better than LeBron's 1st stint Cavs teams. This is not even worth debating.

Imagine LeBron scoring 23 points on 24 shots and 15 free throws along with 4 TOV's. You'd be crying about that for the next 20 years.

LeBron is a signifiantly better player than Kobe and is a top 2 GOAT.

[Lebron23]

https://scontent.fmnl8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/309430122_10160103829398416_7509922803054892311_n. jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=GFKKbVttn-kAX_WYRKb&_nc_ht=scontent.fmnl8-2.fna&oh=00_AfAPdfmsIrcF5_z1hWRF4JT0V0x4Zb1Wx7mB9xm91wne CQ&oe=643563F3

[Lebron23]

https://scontent.fmnl8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/338575022_611399137572448_2984410274690198230_n.pn g?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=3ZwQadMY77MAX-AIk_6&_nc_ht=scontent.fmnl8-2.fna&oh=03_AdTXoztQj6j5lRdL7xUJPylB5FPuefZexmaU2cxk808m jg&oe=64571F9D

[Manny98]

How did Kawhi go 19-10 vs LeGOAT?

[Lebron23]

He is the Kobe Stopper even in Kobe's best defensive peak. He failed to guard LeBron.

[kawhileonard2]

Kobe beat Dwight and KG in the finals with HCA while Lebron lost to Dwight and KG with HCA.

[Lebron23]

Kobe Stopper

[Iverson3]

He owned Kobe

[Lebron23]

because LeBron always brought his A game agains Lakers and Kobe.

[Lebron23]

I wish lebron had some solid supporting casts in his first stint in Cleveland.

[Full Court]

Kobe and Bronie are both hovering around the top ten. Personally I have Bronie ranked slightly higher than Kobe, but they're both in the same tier. The big difference is that Kobe retired first, so his hype has already worn off. Bronie's will later, after he retires.

[Full Court]

I wish lebron had some solid supporting casts in his first stint in Cleveland.

Here's a list of all the players in NBA history who have led a super team to the lottery:

1. Lebron









:milton

[Lebron23]

Here's a list of all the players in NBA history who have led a super team to the lottery:

1. Lebron









:milton

You are a homosexual

[Full Court]

You are a homosexual

The truth hurts you deeply, doesn't it?

https://images2.imgbox.com/46/54/Pqbx6ZNa_o.png

[ShawkFactory]

You are a homosexual

I don’t know why I laughed at this as much as I did.

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron only won gold when Kobe joined. He is and has a losing record with HCA against Dwight Howard, Dirk Nowitzki.

[Axe]

You are a homosexual
:oldlol:

[aj1987]

You are a homosexual

:roll: :roll: