Chilling portions from Woodward's book: the days American democracy almost fell

[bladefd]

Woodward and Costa write that Milley, deeply shaken by the assault, 'was certain that Trump had gone into a serious mental decline in the aftermath of the election, with Trump now all but manic, screaming at officials and constructing his own alternate reality about endless election conspiracies.'

Milley worried that Trump could 'go rogue,' the authors write.

"You never know what a president's trigger point is," Milley told his senior staff, according to the book.

In response, Milley took extraordinary action, and called a secret meeting in his Pentagon office on January 8 to review the process for military action, including launching nuclear weapons. Speaking to senior military officials in charge of the National Military Command Center, the Pentagon's war room, Milley instructed them not to take orders from anyone unless he was involved.

"No matter what you are told, you do the procedure. You do the process. And I'm part of that procedure," Milley told the officers, according to the book. He then went around the room, looked each officer in the eye, and asked them to verbally confirm they understood.


Milley's fear was based on his own observations of Trump's erratic behavior. His concern was magnified by the events of January 6 and the 'extraordinary risk' the situation posed to US national security, the authors write. Milley had already had two back-channel phone calls with China's top general, who was on high alert over the chaos in the US.

...

After the call, Milley decided he had to act. He told his top service chiefs to watch everything "all the time." He called the director of the National Security Agency, Paul Nakasone, and told him, "Needles up ... keep watching, scan." And he told then-CIA Director Gina Haspel, "Aggressively watch everything, 360."

The authors write, 'Milley was overseeing the mobilization of America's national security state without the knowledge of the American people or the rest of the world.'

Woodward and Costa write that after January 6, Milley 'felt no absolute certainty that the military could control or trust Trump and believed it was his job as the senior military officer to think the unthinkable and take any and all necessary precautions.'

Milley called it the 'absolute darkest moment of theoretical possibility,' the authors write.


When Trump refused to concede in November 2020, Haspel warned Milley, "We are on the way to a right-wing coup. The whole thing is insanity. He is acting out like a six-year-old with a tantrum." Haspel also worried that Trump would try to attack Iran.

"This is a highly dangerous situation. We are going to lash out for his ego?" she asked Milley, according to the book.

Even some of Trump's most loyal advisers privately expressed concern after the election. Then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told Milley that Trump was "in a very dark place right now."

Milley had just one goal: ensuring a peaceful transfer of power on January 20. As he told Pompeo, "We've got a plane with four engines and three of them are out. We've got no landing gear. But we're going to land this plane and we're going to land it safely."


On November 4, the day after the election, Trump seemed privately ready to acknowledge defeat, asking adviser Kellyanne Conway, "How the hell did we lose the vote to Joe Biden?" But after making phone calls to loyalists, including Rudy Giuliani, Trump embraced the false and damaging conspiracy theories of election fraud.

Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump took a light touch, the authors write, and Kushner told aides he did not want to be the point person for an intervention. Then-Attorney General William Barr tried to talk sense into Trump, telling him the claims of fraud were bogus. "The problem is this stuff about the voting machines is just bullshit," Barr said, according to the book.

"Your team is a bunch of clowns," he told Trump.


On December 30, Bannon convinced Trump to come back to the White House from Mar-a-Lago to prepare for the events of January 6, the date Congress would certify the election results.

"You've got to return to Washington and make a dramatic return today," Bannon told Trump, according to the book. "You've got to call Pence off the ****ing ski slopes and get him back here today. This is a crisis."

The authors write that Bannon told Trump that January 6 was "the moment for reckoning."

"People are going to go, 'What the **** is going on here?' " Bannon believed. "We're going to bury Biden on January 6th, ****ing bury him," Bannon said.


tense encounter in the Oval Office on January 5 when Trump pressured Pence to overturn the results of the election. While the showdown went on inside, the two men could hear MAGA supporters cheering and chanting outside near Pennsylvania Avenue.

"If these people say you had the power, wouldn't you want to?" Trump asked.

"I wouldn't want any one person to have that authority," Pence said.

"But wouldn't it be almost cool to have that power?" Trump asked, according to Woodward and Costa.

"No," Pence said. He went on, "I've done everything I could and then some to find a way around this. It's simply not possible."

When Pence did not budge, Trump turned on him.

"No, no, no!" Trump shouted, according to the authors. "You don't understand, Mike. You can do this. I don't want to be your friend anymore if you don't do this."

Trump called Pence again the morning of January 6. "If you don't do it, I picked the wrong man four years ago," Trump said, according to the authors. "You're going to wimp out," he said, his anger visible to others in the office.


Woodward and Costa write that Pence reached out to Dan Quayle, who had been the vice president to George H.W. Bush, seeking his advice.

Over and over, Pence asked if there was anything he could do.

"Mike, you have no flexibility on this. None. Zero. Forget it. Put it away," Quayle told him.

Pence pressed again.

"You don't know the position I'm in," he said, according to the authors.

"I do know the position you're in," Quayle responded. "I also know what the law is. You listen to the parliamentarian. That's all you do. You have no power."


In one episode, retired Gen. Keith Kellogg, who served as Pence's national security adviser, was in the White House with Trump while he watched the insurrection unfold on television.

Kellogg urged Trump to act.

"You really should do a tweet," Kellogg said, according to the authors. "You need to get a tweet out real quick, help control the crowd up there. This is out of control. They're not going to be able to control this. Sir, they're not prepared for it. Once a mob starts turning like that, you've lost it."

"Yeah," Trump said. The authors write, 'Trump blinked and kept watching television.'

Ivanka Trump also repeatedly tried to intervene, talking to her father three times. "Let this thing go," she told him. "Let it go," she said, according to the book.


In the aftermath of the election, Trump's rage was directed at Barr for daring to even mention the incoming Biden administration.

"First part of the Biden administration!" Trump shouted, according to the authors. Trump was so mad, Barr thought, 'if a human being can have flames come out of his ears, this was it,' Woodward and Costa write.

Looks like the only thing that stopped Trump from not leaving office are those around him.

[Patrick Chewing]

Is this a Trump thread in September of 2021??


And Milley has no credibility. He is a horrible general.

[Patrick Chewing]

Milley was actually planning a coup against Trump. Talking with China through back channels.


He needs to be arrested or at least fired. But of course, nothing will happen to him cause the Dems have all the power.

[DoctorP]

Not surprised events went in this direction. Interesting read.

[tontoz]

Wow that is pretty disturbing.

During his first campaign i thought his craziness might be just an act, that he was putting on a show just to win the election.

Then when he made a big deal about attendance at his inauguration i was like.....uh oh.

[DoctorP]

https://i.giphy.com/media/GAu5cSpQ3fLSltenAR/giphy-downsized-large.gif

It was hard to kick his orange ass out. That's why congress should have banned him.

[Lakers Legend#32]

"I don't want to be your friend anymore if you can't do this."

This is how a baby talks.

[bladefd]

Is this a Trump thread in September of 2021??


And Milley has no credibility. He is a horrible general.

Milley is the highest ranking official in the military after the President. If the president ordered him to preemptively nuke a foreign country or all-out attack a foreign country, I, as US citizen, would expect Milley to step in. Milley and the military doesn't serve the president - they serve the US Constitution and the American people. One of the greatest documents in American history, if you are unfamiliar, begins with "We the people", not "He the President." Don't like the US Constitution? Leave.

[warriorfan]

Op is a f.aggot

[Hey Yo]

Milley is the highest ranking official in the military after the President. If the president ordered him to preemptively nuke a foreign country or all-out attack a foreign country, I, as US citizen, would expect Milley to step in. Milley and the military doesn't serve the president - they serve the US Constitution and the American people. One of the greatest documents in American history, if you are unfamiliar, begins with "We the people", not "He the President." Don't like the US Constitution? Leave.

Milley has no authority to undermine the President. You think it's ok that Milley told the Chinese general that he would give him a heads up if they planned an attack? Nothing like getting bombed first cause of Milley's stupidity, huh?

If the book turns out to be true, then Milley is facing some severe penalties. If he couldn't get on board, then step down from your position and then carry on with your military duties. That's what ones supposed to do in that situation.

[Patrick Chewing]

blade is so dumb. He's falling on the sword for Milley and the word around Washington is that Milley is a traitor and can face severe repercussions.

Milley IS the Deep State.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Chewing on hearing this news.
Hands over ears.
"lalalalalalala I hear nothing, lalalalalalalalalala, FOX News said, lalalalalala, Trump won.

[SATAN]

Patrick Chewing is a danger to society.

[bladefd]

Milley has no authority to undermine the President. You think it's ok that Milley told the Chinese general that he would give him a heads up if they planned an attack? Nothing like getting bombed first cause of Milley's stupidity, huh?

If the book turns out to be true, then Milley is facing some severe penalties. If he couldn't get on board, then step down from your position and then carry on with your military duties. That's what ones supposed to do in that situation.

Why would China bomb America first? We have what? 5 or 6 active aircraft carrier groups in the Pacific Ocean and god knows how many nuclear subs in the pacific ocean, Indian ocean and South China Sea.. That doesn't even include the nuclear subs or warships of our allies Japan, England, Australia, Germany, Italy, and France. China would be doing seppuku the moment they decided to bomb America. And what? You think Milley would let China bomb away without any response? Get lost.

[bladefd]

blade is so dumb. He's falling on the sword for Milley and the word around Washington is that Milley is a traitor and can face severe repercussions.

Milley IS the Deep State.

Yet not a word on Trump shouting for Mike Pence to declare Trump the winner of the election and overtake democracy on January. When Pence says he doesn't have the power to do that, Trump threatens him. That's straight-up attempted treason.

Milley would have to be involved in any nuclear strike or war btw, which is what he was ensuring. He is the highest commanding official of the US military, and he is saying he must be involved in any military attack decision. His greatest fear was Trump throwing a global nuclear tantrum if he lost control of himself. What? You would be ok with him or any president getting unhinged and activating the nuclear codes days before leaving office? Get lost.

[ZenMaster]

Pretty amazing that 5 years after 2016 and you still believe the same kind of writing and stories, that had you convinced Trump was working as a Russian double agent and was going to war on the west alongside Putin.

1) General Milley thought that Trump might do a nuclear attack on China "because he was in a mental decline and dark place" = This appeals to emotions and thoughts already put in your brain in past years, that Trump is unhinged and could literally cause WW3 at any moment. Milley said it, so you can believe it and the subconsious thought that Trump might have done this if Milley hadn't acted remains in your head. I'm sure a poster like Andgar is fully convinced that Milley saved the world that day with his actions after talking with a Chinese general.

2) Haspel and the other top officials are super professional and very smart, but here we have quoted conversations where they both talk about a coup and how Trump was acting like a 6 year old throwing a tantrum. A coup takes planning and deception amongst multiple groups within government and military, it's not something done by a 6 year old throwing a tanrum based on his ego - I give them a lot of credit for saying all the right buzzwords in this part though.

3) The part about Bannon saying this was the day of reckoning and how they would bury Biden, I guess this is the coup part of the story, they definitely need to clarify where and to whom he said this. Was it said in front of Milley and Haspel?

4) Was Trump asking Pence to delcare him a winner, or was he asking him not to certify the state election results and instead send them back with a demand for investigation into election fraud? Fraud that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with hacked election machines.

5) Since Jan 6th, the rhetoric from the establishment has been that there was a coup attempt through a violent resurrection led by Trump himself. Now it seems that there was also concerns of doing nuclear attacks on the same day from high level officials.
They put him on an impeachment trial for this - which in a real world would have been a military criminal trial - and failed to prove any it.

These referenced conversations and obsersvations should have been part of this trial, and sections of it might have been classified for national security. Instead you have the conversations and even inner thoughts of high level officials in a period of an attempted coup and potential nuclear strikes published in a book here 9 months after it happened, go figure.


https://youtu.be/Rl0dOr55XGc?t=90

[TheMan]

Milley has no authority to undermine the President. You think it's ok that Milley told the Chinese general that he would give him a heads up if they planned an attack? Nothing like getting bombed first cause of Milley's stupidity, huh?

If the book turns out to be true, then Milley is facing some severe penalties. If he couldn't get on board, then step down from your position and then carry on with your military duties. That's what ones supposed to do in that situation.

Only an idiot believes a war with China with their nuclear capabilities wouldn't be anything but mutually assured destruction, FOH

[Patrick Chewing]

Yet not a word on Trump shouting for Mike Pence to declare Trump the winner of the election and overtake democracy on January. When Pence says he doesn't have the power to do that, Trump threatens him. That's straight-up attempted treason.

Milley would have to be involved in any nuclear strike or war btw, which is what he was ensuring. He is the highest commanding official of the US military, and he is saying he must be involved in any military attack decision. His greatest fear was Trump throwing a global nuclear tantrum if he lost control of himself. What? You would be ok with him or any president getting unhinged and activating the nuclear codes days before leaving office? Get lost.

Are you crazy? Honest question? Do you have paranoia? Schizophrenia?


You honestly believe that hogwash that Trump was unhinged and would have launched nukes or gone to war with China?? You guys are ****ing nuts.


That's what the 25th Amendment is for. That's how you approach that scenario if that would ever happen again, but if you're a realist, you know damn well no President will ever launch nukes again. You don't do what Milley did and commit treason and then come back and say, "Well uhhh Trump is unhinged."

[BurningHammer]

We will hear from Milley soon enough (Sep 28th).

[jstern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXt3Xkc6bU8

[bladefd]

Are you crazy? Honest question? Do you have paranoia? Schizophrenia?


You honestly believe that hogwash that Trump was unhinged and would have launched nukes or gone to war with China?? You guys are ****ing nuts.


That's what the 25th Amendment is for. That's how you approach that scenario if that would ever happen again, but if you're a realist, you know damn well no President will ever launch nukes again. You don't do what Milley did and commit treason and then come back and say, "Well uhhh Trump is unhinged."

He was certainly unhinged. He tried to get Pence to toss out the results of the election, even though that's not how the law/constitution works. The president has access to the nuclear codes 24/7/365.

An unhinged desperate narcissistic man going through a temper tantrum on the last days in office + nuclear codes = dangerous combo.

The 25th amendment takes the full houses of congress to vote. You cannot just pass it overnight. Orders to go to war or to nuke someone takes just minutes.

[bladefd]

I'm just glad we don't have to deal with this nonsense anymore. Big Trumpeter candidate in California just got pummeled in recall election. I don't see Trump ever returning to the White House or anywhere in government as long as democrats don't run old man Biden or harris in 2024.

Rage, rant and yell into the wind all you fools want. He is gone and going the way of the dodo.

[Patrick Chewing]

He was certainly unhinged. He tried to get Pence to toss out the results of the election, even though that's not how the law/constitution works. The president has access to the nuclear codes 24/7/365.

An unhinged desperate narcissistic man going through a temper tantrum on the last days in office + nuclear codes = dangerous combo.

The 25th amendment takes the full houses of congress to vote. You cannot just pass it overnight. Orders to go to war or to nuke someone takes just minutes.

You are delusional and sad. Nothing more can be said about someone who thinks Trump was unhinged and that he would go launching nukes before he left office. :roll:

[Gruppenführer]

An unhinged desperate narcissistic man going through a temper tantrum on the last days in office + nuclear codes = dangerous combo.




Help me understand your position here. At any point during Trump's presidency, did you realistically think that Trump had thought about nuking someone? And did you realistically think that the answer to him losing the election was to nuke China?

Mind you, the only person in government who has talked about using nukes recently was a member of your tribe if I'm not mistaken.

https://i.ibb.co/4N928MQ/swallowswell.png

[DoctorP]

Republicans failed to take California so now their hopes ride on bullying Milley :lol

[Lakers Legend#32]

Are you crazy? Honest question? Do you have paranoia? Schizophrenia?


You honestly believe that hogwash that Trump was unhinged and would have launched nukes or gone to war with China?? You guys are ****ing nuts.


That's what the 25th Amendment is for. That's how you approach that scenario if that would ever happen again, but if you're a realist, you know damn well no President will ever launch nukes again. You don't do what Milley did and commit treason and then come back and say, "Well uhhh Trump is unhinged."

Trump unleashed his goons on the capital to lynch Mike Pence in a desperate insurrection to remain in power.
Yeah, he's unhinged.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Are you crazy? Honest question? Do you have paranoia? Schizophrenia?


You honestly believe that hogwash that Trump was unhinged and would have launched nukes or gone to war with China?? You guys are ****ing nuts.


That's what the 25th Amendment is for. That's how you approach that scenario if that would ever happen again, but if you're a realist, you know damn well no President will ever launch nukes again. You don't do what Milley did and commit treason and then come back and say, "Well uhhh Trump is unhinged."

Poopsie is naïve enough to think that Trump's cabinet of yes men and boot lickers would have invoked the 25th amendment against him.

[Long Duck Dong]

Milley is the highest ranking official in the military after the President. If the president ordered him to preemptively nuke a foreign country or all-out attack a foreign country, I, as US citizen, would expect Milley to step in. Milley and the military doesn't serve the president - they serve the US Constitution and the American people.

So is the "chilling" part his paranoia? Or if his paranoia somehow translated into reality?


One of the greatest documents in American history, if you are unfamiliar, begins with "We the people", not "He the President." Don't like the US Constitution? Leave.


One of the greatest documents in history that this backwards administration just put a trigger warning on last week? That Constitution? :lol

[bladefd]

Help me understand your position here. At any point during Trump's presidency, did you realistically think that Trump had thought about nuking someone? And did you realistically think that the answer to him losing the election was to nuke China?

Mind you, the only person in government who has talked about using nukes recently was a member of your tribe if I'm not mistaken.

https://i.ibb.co/4N928MQ/swallowswell.png

You don't think through certain decisions. Go look up 'temporary insanity.' It's actually a legal defense that murderers have gotten charges off for. It's difficult to prove, but it certainly exists.

It's essentially an argument that the circumstances pushed you over the top and for a moment you were not able to think. For example, let's say you walk into your house and see your wife f*cking another man and you pick up a gun & shoot the man. You can use temporary insanity defense to get your charges downgraded or dropped altogether (will be very difficult but there is precedence on your side if you go to court). That doesn't require you to wonder even early on in the same day "Gee, I am going to murder a man tonight."

[bladefd]

So is the "chilling" part his paranoia? Or if his paranoia somehow translated into reality?



One of the greatest documents in history that this backwards administration just put a trigger warning on last week? That Constitution? :lol

Trump was begging everyone to keep him in office. Pence, the DOJ, Congress, courts to void the election results, even the public to do something on January 6 as he watched on during the march onto the Capitol Hill to kill Pence/Pelosi/Others. Do you really think that man couldn't do something desperate with just days to go to hold onto power once everyone laughed him out?

[DoctorP]

I'd bet anyone a large sum if Biden didn't bend the knee and peacefully leave his post at the end of his term with zero issues.

[Gruppenführer]

You don't think through certain decisions. Go look up 'temporary insanity.' It's actually a legal defense that murderers have gotten charges off for. It's difficult to prove, but it certainly exists.

It's essentially an argument that the circumstances pushed you over the top and for a moment you were not able to think. For example, let's say you walk into your house and see your wife f*cking another man and you pick up a gun & shoot the man. You can use temporary insanity defense to get your charges downgraded or dropped altogether (will be very difficult but there is precedence on your side if you go to court). That doesn't require you to wonder even early on in the same day "Gee, I am going to murder a man tonight."

But you're making this up just like Milley and the propaganda wing of the Democrat Party (the Mainstream Media) made things up about Trump that weren't true. Trump wasn't going through any temporary insanity or whatever laughable accusation you want to make. What you and people like Milley are doing is circumventing the law and the Constitution by making bold and baseless claims about your opponent to justify such behavior.

"We had to shoot the President. There was a slight chance he was going to nuke San Francisco. We have no evidence or basis to make this accusation, but precautionary measures had to be taken, you know, just in case."

[Gruppenführer]

I'd bet anyone a large sum if Biden didn't bend the knee and peacefully leave his post at the end of his term with zero issues.

Afghanistan and the border aren't major issues? :oldlol:

[DoctorP]

Afghanistan and the border aren't major issues? :oldlol:

Not in that context. I meant in the context of Biden trying to undermine the voting process of the USA.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Trumpers trying to change this story from Trump's mental deficiency to treason by Miley.
It's all you got when your boy is psychotic.

[bladefd]

But you're making this up just like Milley and the propaganda wing of the Democrat Party (the Mainstream Media) made things up about Trump that weren't true. Trump wasn't going through any temporary insanity or whatever laughable accusation you want to make. What you and people like Milley are doing is circumventing the law and the Constitution by making bold and baseless claims about your opponent to justify such behavior.

"We had to shoot the President. There was a slight chance he was going to nuke San Francisco. We have no evidence or basis to make this accusation, but precautionary measures had to be taken, you know, just in case."

Trump's own cabinet members said he is in a very dark place. His daughter was begging him to stop. His son-in-law said he was unwilling to lead any intervention against his father-in-law (think about how fsr the conversation would have to reach to be talking about intervention). His own appointed cia director was saying there seems to be a right-wing coup going on and that she didn't want the military to lash out to back Trump's ego. Barr told him that he looked into the voter fraud allegations and there was nothing there. The courts said that evidence was not being provided. He asked then begged then lashed out at Pence for saying he can't do anything like refuse to certify the election votes. Retired General Kellogg told Trump to quickly tweet something to calm the rioters down - Trump initially refused and returned to watching tv as it unfolded.

I have not even mentioned Milley yet asking his officials to run any warfare order from the president through him. He has a right to find out if an order has been made as the highest ranking military official. At least as long as he holds the position. He serves the oath he gave to the US constitution, not the president.

[Patrick Chewing]

blade talks as if he was in the White House during Trump's presidency. As if he was in the inner circle witnessing all the happenings during the Trump presidency. He was there telling Jared to calm Trump down. :roll:

blade, none of what you said is true and can be corroborated. Stop reading books from people who hate Trump.

[DoctorP]

blade talks as if he was in the White House during Trump's presidency. As if he was in the inner circle witnessing all the happenings during the Trump presidency. He was there telling Jared to calm Trump down. :roll:

blade, none of what you said is true and can be corroborated. Stop reading books from people who hate Trump.

you "talk" like a hillbilly that hasn't left his toilet in days. :lol

[bladefd]

blade talks as if he was in the White House during Trump's presidency. As if he was in the inner circle witnessing all the happenings during the Trump presidency. He was there telling Jared to calm Trump down. :roll:

blade, none of what you said is true and can be corroborated. Stop reading books from people who hate Trump.

Woodward is a highly reputed reporter and journalist going back to the 1970s. In that time, nobody has accused him of making up everything he writes.

Were you there to know none of these comments were made and all made up?

[Patrick Chewing]

Woodward is a highly reputed reporter and journalist going back to the 1970s. In that time, nobody has accused him of making up everything he writes.



Everything written about Trump by Woodward has been speculation or fabrication. That's how the Dems and the media brought down Trump. From Russian Collusion to (holds back laughter) nuking the Chinese. Utter nonsense and the low-IQ chimps such as yourself gobble it up and pass it off as factual.

[bladefd]

Everything written about Trump by Woodward has been speculation or fabrication. That's how the Dems and the media brought down Trump. From Russian Collusion to (holds back laughter) nuking the Chinese. Utter nonsense and the low-IQ chimps such as yourself gobble it up and pass it off as factual.

Were you there in the room to know for a fact that those quotes were all fabricated and made up?

[Patrick Chewing]

Were you there in the room to know for a fact that those quotes were all fabricated and made up?

No, and neither were you. But you've written paragraph after paragraph passing off what you hear about Trump as fact. Just like you and your lot passed off Russian collusion as fact and ya'll fell flat on your face on that one. Do you know how many posters were talking about Trump and Russian collusion?? I mean there were hundreds of you it seemed like. Some don't even post here anymore cause they look like absolute idiots now.

Trump was unhinged? Unstable? The guy that mocks the media relentlessly, has more money than 90% of Americans, has a beautiful wife and loving children who don't smoke crack, got to orchestrate several peace deals while in office while improving the economy....he's unhinged? Trump is unhinged? And not the people that talk about him 24/7 such as yourself and the devils in the mainstream media. Not the Social Media overlords who have banned him from speaking out and have virtually silenced him. But he's unhinged??


:oldlol:

[Lakers Legend#32]

Trump was unhinged? Unstable? The guy that mocks the media relentlessly, has more money than 90% of Americans, has a beautiful wife and loving children who don't smoke crack, got to orchestrate several peace deals while in office while improving the economy....he's unhinged? Trump is unhinged? And not the people that talk about him 24/7 such as yourself and the devils in the mainstream media. Not the Social Media overlords who have banned him from speaking out and have virtually silenced him. But he's unhinged?? :

This is what a cultist sounds like.

[Lakers Legend#32]

It's more than a little crazy that the Republicans are more pissed at a decorated general who acted to prevent a possible nuclear conflict, than an unhinged madman who incited a riot at our nation's Capitol.

[bladefd]

No, and neither were you. But you've written paragraph after paragraph passing off what you hear about Trump as fact. Just like you and your lot passed off Russian collusion as fact and ya'll fell flat on your face on that one. Do you know how many posters were talking about Trump and Russian collusion?? I mean there were hundreds of you it seemed like. Some don't even post here anymore cause they look like absolute idiots now.

Trump was unhinged? Unstable? The guy that mocks the media relentlessly, has more money than 90% of Americans, has a beautiful wife and loving children who don't smoke crack, got to orchestrate several peace deals while in office while improving the economy....he's unhinged? Trump is unhinged? And not the people that talk about him 24/7 such as yourself and the devils in the mainstream media. Not the Social Media overlords who have banned him from speaking out and have virtually silenced him. But he's unhinged??


:oldlol:

You are unhinged too.

[DoctorP]

This is what a cultist sounds like.

Trump is Chewing's daddy.

[Hey Yo]

Woodward is a highly reputed reporter and journalist going back to the 1970s. In that time, nobody has accused him of making up everything he writes.

Were you there to know none of these comments were made and all made up?

If what Woodward says is true.... he should have came out much sooner with his alleged facts. By doing so, Milley would have been punished and removed from his position. That could have saved the 13 service members lives instead of the debacle that he was a major part of.

Instead, he's just looking to sell a book to make s buck. That's a disgrace.

[Patrick Chewing]

You are unhinged too.

I'm not the one that thinks Trump was going to nuke China. :roll:

[ZenMaster]

If what Woodward says is true.... he should have came out much sooner with his alleged facts. By doing so, Milley would have been punished and removed from his position. That could have saved the 13 service members lives instead of the debacle that he was a major part of.

Instead, he's just looking to sell a book to make s buck. That's a disgrace.

If it's true that a head of the CIA made a serious assertion that Trump was "running a right wing coup", Trump would either be in jail, dead or in another country.

All this shit is narrative creation, same as with the made up Russia charges which blade and the gang also gobbled up heavily.
He now speaks of it like fact that Trump might have nuked China if it wasn't for Milley, but that narrative is created through the orders given by Milley himself using the argument "that you never know where a presidents trigger pull is".

[jstern]

No, and neither were you. But you've written paragraph after paragraph passing off what you hear about Trump as fact. Just like you and your lot passed off Russian collusion as fact and ya'll fell flat on your face on that one. Do you know how many posters were talking about Trump and Russian collusion?? I mean there were hundreds of you it seemed like. Some don't even post here anymore cause they look like absolute idiots now.

Trump was unhinged? Unstable? The guy that mocks the media relentlessly, has more money than 90% of Americans, has a beautiful wife and loving children who don't smoke crack, got to orchestrate several peace deals while in office while improving the economy....he's unhinged? Trump is unhinged? And not the people that talk about him 24/7 such as yourself and the devils in the mainstream media. Not the Social Media overlords who have banned him from speaking out and have virtually silenced him. But he's unhinged??


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:applause:

[Lakers Legend#32]

I'm not the one that thinks Trump was going to nuke China. :roll:

If Trump did nuke China, you would support it because you are unhinged as your cult leader.

[Cleverness]

Woodward: someone from the Trump Admin told me OMB

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[bladefd]

I'm not the one that thinks Trump was going to nuke China. :roll:

I don't think that. Only thing I think is that Trump was unhinged between November 3 and January 19 and was lashing out at everyone. He was in a very dark place according to his cabinet members. Who knows how low he can get? I don't know, you don't know, we don't know.

I know to you, he is a great high-class ethical charitable man who gives away millions in charity to feed & educate the poor. He is such a nice man and never has any issues with anyone. There are also rumors he can walk on water.

[Patrick Chewing]

I don't think that.

Thanks. Now we can move on from all the craziness.

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On Wednesday, several current and former defense officials rejected the criticism that Milley was acting in secret or out of authority, saying that the calls were conducted under protocols similar to other high-level engagements by the Joint Chiefs chairman and in consultation with the Defense Department.

More than a dozen people were on both videoconference calls Milley held with Li, including a representative from the State Department, a defense official had told CNN. The read-out and notes from the calls were shared with the intelligence community and the interagency, the official said.

Good try on the deflation though.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Trump's not going to nuke China because Chewing said so.
BWAWAWAWAHAHAHAHA!