93' Pippen had worst impact stats ever for winning sidekick in PO - BPM/PER/VORP/WS48

[3ba11]

the only exceptions are:



* 15' Draymond (slightly higher PER)

* 06' Posey (slightly higher VORP)

* 03' Robinson (same VORP)


In addition to having the worst impact stats ever for a winning sidekick, 93' Pippen also had nearly the worst true shooting ever and was outplayed by Kevin Willis in the 1st round, while achieving 45% true shooting in the Finals as he let rookie Dumas go off.

CONCLUSION: Pippen was horrible in the 93' Playoffs and the 88-90' Playoffs, while having the X-man debacle in 92' ECSF and averaging 17.6 on 41% in the 96-98' Playoffs or 11 ppg in the 99-03' Playoffs - so he was LITERALLY BAD for his entire playoff career, except 91' and most of 92' (aka 90% of his playoff career was horrible)

[ShawkFactory]

Having a nice Friday night?

[SATAN]

Yet Michael himself said he wouldn't have gotten as far as he did without Pippen. Hmm

[SATAN]

Having a nice Friday night?

:oldlol:

[3ba11]

Having a nice Friday night?


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[RRR3]

OP was voted the most destroyed poster in the NBA forum:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497552-Most-destroyed-poster-in-basketball-discussions

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This is an offshot Pau Gasol thread. :lol

[RRR3]

This is an offshot Pau Gasol thread. :lol
Yep. Snivelly doesn’t give a shit about MJ he’s just scared to compare anyone else to his most hated player (LeBron). Speaks volumes of how good he thinks LeBron is.

[3ba11]

Yep. Snivelly doesn’t give a shit about MJ he’s just scared to compare anyone else to his most hated player (LeBron). Speaks volumes of how good he thinks LeBron is.


It must be damn-near impossible to argue against a guy that won the title with the lowest sidekick BPM ever.. and lowest WS/48... of all-time... the goat wins with the shittiest sidekick ever... those are the kinds of stories and facts the goat can tell

lebron has no stories like this - his 16' Finals where he led every category is soiled by his sidekick outplaying the league MVP - imagine if Pippen destroyed MVP Barkley in the Finals - only then would Jordan's ring quality be reduced to Lebron's best ring, lol.. that shows how insanely goat Jordan's ring quality is

[8Ball]

Pippen won 55 games without Jordan.
Jordan is 1-9 without Pippen.

Still no answer for this puzzle 30 years later.

[3ba11]

Pippen won 55 games without Jordan.
Jordan is 1-9 without Pippen.

Still no answer for this puzzle 30 years later.


The triangle was a substitute for a real cast - it's a 55-win offense if run to perfection after 3 titles

The Bulls' front office was like "okay jordan, we can't get you shit but paxson, pippen and horace... but the triangle will basically be the cast if you can bail it out every time it doesn't get a wide open look for your bum teammates"

Jordan was like "bet"

Ultimately, Pippen received a 2nd Horace Grant in 1994 that Jordan never had (Kukoc), and had a .500 ballclub in 95' before MJ returned - so Pippen destroyed a dynasty in less than 2 years - 3-peat to borderline lottery.... :applause:

[SouBeachTalents]

Pippen won 55 games without Jordan.
Jordan is 1-9 without Pippen.

Still no answer for this puzzle 30 years later.
That’s a good point. Imagine how stacked this team must’ve been to win 55 games and nearly make the conference finals led by a guy coming off the worst sidekick playoffs ever? Either that or the league was embarrassingly weak.

[3ba11]

That’s a good point. Imagine how stacked this team must’ve been to win 55 games and nearly make the conference finals led by a guy coming off the worst sidekick playoffs ever? Either that or the league was embarrassingly weak.


The 90's wasn't any shittier than 2011 or 2019, when Dirk and Kawhi carried non-super-team casts to titles

Jordan was just that good win 6 titles with non-super-teams and no 1b's like Dirk or Kawhi's titles in 11' or 19'

And the stats show that Jordan's 6 titles were greater carry-jobs than Dirk or Kawhi's, based on the performance of the sidekicks (Pippen vs Terry or Lowry) and the gap between 1st option and sidekick (the gap between MJ/Pippen is biggest-ever)

[RRR3]

It must be damn-near impossible to argue against a guy that won the title with the lowest sidekick BPM ever.. and lowest WS/48... of all-time... the goat wins with the shittiest sidekick ever... those are the kinds of stories and facts the goat can tell

lebron has no stories like this - his 16' Finals where he led every category is soiled by his sidekick outplaying the league MVP - imagine if Pippen destroyed MVP Barkley in the Finals - only then would Jordan's ring quality be reduced to Lebron's best ring, lol.. that shows how insanely goat Jordan's ring quality is
I don’t argue LeBron over MJ though. He’s better than Kobe though and that makes you furious.

[3ba11]

I don’t argue LeBron over MJ though. He’s better than Kobe though and that makes you furious.


Kobe is superior to Lebron because he mastered the black belt level of basketball by winning and scoring a lot without live dribbling/ball-domination, which Lebron cannot do... Kobe won in the triangle by copying the blueprint, aka the quick-iso footwork that Jordan invented to average 30 in the triangle, also called "mid-range game" by modern hoops enthusiasts - every clutch player since MJ has won titles with this "mid-range game" including Dirk, Kawhi, KD and Kobe - Kobe is the valedictorian of this class, while Lebron was a dropout and only knows how to dominate the ball, which doesn't allow the best strategy (ball movement) or fit with teammates (bad fits = skill deficit) and therefore has lower team ceiling/Finals records

carry on... (and you know all that made sense too)

[RRR3]

Kobe was extremely ball dominant, played like shit in almost every finals he was in and frequently broke the triangle. You’re retarded and snivelly that LeBron embarrassed your hero.

[3ba11]

Kobe was extremely ball dominant, played like shit in almost every finals he was in and frequently broke the triangle. You’re retarded and snivelly that LeBron embarrassed your hero.


Kobe broke the offense less as the playoffs went on, which is why his stats decreased in the Finals - he was playing fundamental ball to win.

Jordan was also playing fundamental ball to win, but he was better than Kobe, so he could still be scoring champ and win, or average 40+ in the Finals and win.. But Kobe was still the closest thing to Michael

[RRR3]

Kobe broke the offense less as the playoffs went on, which is why his stats decreased in the Finals - he was playing fundamental ball to win.

Jordan was also playing fundamental ball to win, but he was a lot better than Kobe, so he could still be scoring champ and win, or average 40+ in the Finals and win.. But Kobe was still the closest thing to Michael
No, he broke it MORE in the finals, hence the low percentages due to his desperately chucking for FMVP. Literally lost to the no superstar Pistons because he wouldn’t pass to Shaq in 04.

[RRR3]

Shaq 3peated in the triangle and snivelly gives him no credit. Poor guy got excited every finals but Shaq ruined his day each and every time :lol

[3ba11]

No, he broke it MORE in the finals, hence the low percentages due to his desperately chucking for FMVP. Literally lost to the no superstar Pistons because he wouldn’t pass to Shaq in 04.


Actually, Shaq needed to turn the team over to Kobe in 2003, just like Wade did for Lebron in 2012... Kobe should've been the top dog in 04', so the Lakers lost because they had their core roles flip-flopped... Miami showed us how to treat old Shaq in 2006

[RRR3]

Actually, Shaq needed to turn the team over to Kobe in 2003, just like Wade did for Lebron in 2012... Kobe should've been the top dog in 04', so the Lakers lost because they had their core roles flip-flopped... Miami showed us how to treat old Shaq in 2006
“Kobe should have been the top dog in 2004”

How’d that work out in the finals? :roll: :roll: :roll:


You’re one of the dumbest people on ISH and that’s impressive.

[eurobum]

Pippen won 55 games without Jordan.
Jordan is 1-9 without Pippen.

Still no answer for this puzzle 30 years later.

Pippen is also 3-6 in playoff rounds without Jordan including four first round exits

[Carbine]

Pippen is also 3-6 in playoff rounds without Jordan including four first round exits

GTFO with your logic. Pippen was cooked after 98

[eurobum]

GTFO with your logic. Pippen was cooked after 98

After? He was cooked from 1997 onwards at least

lol at bringing up logic considering the 1994 55-win argument, which is always being used to equate Pippen's lone season as the leader as equal to other Bulls' seasons in the Jordan era, because 55 is around the number of wins they'd get under Jordan's leadership (for example 57 in 1993)

So lestans put = between '94 and other seasons like '93, which is ridiculous since '93 they won became number 1, '94 was a second round exit, basically = shared EIGHTH place lol, wow great success

Logic

More stan logic: "1-9, in three rounds." Lebron James didn't even go to the 'yoffs his first two seasons. Stans like you constantly bring up that a finals appearance is better than none, which obviously is logic I can agree with, but why don't you apply the same when judging Lebron's first two seasons then? Can't have it both ways

(speaking in general to your lestan brethren on that last note)

Logic

[TheCorporation]

Pippen won 55 games without Jordan.
Jordan is 1-9 without Pippen.

Still no answer for this puzzle 30 years later.

Lock. It.

:dancin

Up.

:hammertime:

[Carbine]

After? He was cooked from 1997 onwards at least

lol at bringing up logic considering the 1994 55-win argument, which is always being used to equate Pippen's lone season as the leader as equal to other Bulls' seasons in the Jordan era, because 55 is around the number of wins they'd get under Jordan's leadership (for example 57 in 1993)

So lestans put = between '94 and other seasons like '93, which is ridiculous since '93 they won became number 1, '94 was a second round exit, basically = shared EIGHTH place lol, wow great success

Logic

More stan logic: "1-9, in three rounds." Lebron James didn't even go to the 'yoffs his first two seasons. Stans like you constantly bring up that a finals appearance is better than none, which obviously is logic I can agree with, but why don't you apply the same when judging Lebron's first two seasons then? Can't have it both ways

(speaking in general to your lestan brethren on that last note)

Logic

Logic tells me you should have kept all those Jordan cards and sold them at peak value instead of taking the quick dollar years ago.

You dumb.

aF

[8Ball]

Pippen won 55 games without Jordan.
Jordan is 1-9 without Pippen.

Still no answer for this puzzle 30 years later.

No. Answer. For. This.

[8Ball]

That’s a good point. Imagine how stacked this team must’ve been to win 55 games and nearly make the conference finals led by a guy coming off the worst sidekick playoffs ever? Either that or the league was embarrassingly weak.

Good point.

Winning 55 games is a very difficult feat and Pippen did it easily.

Won 59 games too after Jordan.

[3ba11]

Edit: the OP should say that Dray had slightly lower PER and Posey had slightly lower VORP.. It says higher in error

[000]

I cant believe Jordan diminished his teammates this much

[eurobum]

Logic tells me you should have kept all those Jordan cards and sold them at peak value instead of taking the quick dollar years ago.

You dumb.

aF

https://streamable.com/txd8j3

ah you mean these? got more than your parents' mortgage in three plastic bricks

[3ba11]

93' Pippen had lower PER, WS/48 and pace-adjusted scoring than 14' Wade and was lower than 13' Wade across the board (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48)

Imagine winning a ring with a less-productive sidekick than 14' Wade... and a 3-peat at that... it would take 40 ppg to do that - oh wait.. that's exactly what happened