Lebron's skill deficit (bad fit with Westbrook) prevents favorite status vs Nets

[3ba11]

So it's a skill deficit where spotty-shooting ball-handlers like Westbrook, Wade, or Lebron lack the off-ball or jumpshooting skill to fit well together, thereby ceding favorite status to a team that has these skills (Nets).

To summarize, skill deficits cause bad teammate fits and underdog status, so Lebron is inferior to top players that have the skill to fit with anyone.. In addition to good teammate fits, these skills allow their team to employ the best strategy (ball movement), which yields the best team ceilings/Finals records

[ELITEpower23]

Season 19, 37 year old LeBron vs Primed Out KD?

Yes, advantage KD.

Dont be so mad, Kobe is still top 15

[000]

So it's a skill deficit where spotty-shooting ball-handlers like Westbrook, Wade, or Lebron lack the off-ball or jumpshooting skill to fit well together, thereby ceding favorite status to a team that has these skills (Nets).

To summarize, skill deficits cause bad teammate fits and underdog status, so Lebron is inferior to guys that have the skill to fit with anyone and employ the best strategy (ball movement), which yields the best team ceilings/Finals records

1994 Pippen vs 2020 Kawhi:

#8 in PPG vs #8 in PPG
#22 in RPG vs #32 in RPG
#19 in APG vs #36 in APG
#2 in SPG (0.1 less than #1) vs #6 in SPG
#43 in BPG vs #77 in BPG

1994 bulls pace: 3rd slowest in the league
2020 clippers pace: 8th fastest in the league

[3ba11]

1994 Pippen vs 2020 Kawhi:

#8 in PPG vs #8 in PPG
#22 in RPG vs #32 in RPG
#19 in APG vs #36 in APG
#2 in SPG (0.1 less than #1) vs #6 in SPG
#43 in BPG vs #77 in BPG

1994 bulls pace: 3rd slowest in the league
2020 clippers pace: 8th fastest in the league


Only a dumbass that didn't finish their GED would cherry-pick Kawhi's worst year and compare it to Pippen's best....And then think they made a good post!!!.... And then keeps posting it and isn't joking about it!!!..

congrats for proving that Kawhi's worst year = Pippen's best

Pippen's 22/5 and 2nd Round is a top 1000 peak that doesn't compare to Kawhi's peak

[MadDog]

LeBron is past his prime and heading into his 19th season. If he were KD, Harden or even Kyrie's age, the Lakers are favorites - and in all likelhood beat Brooklyn. That's not to say Westbrook and LeBron don't have similar traits. They do. It'll take time for them to adjust to one another.

[SATAN]

How are the Lakers favorites? I haven't seen anybody say that. We haven't even seen them play together yet.

[8Ball]

1994 Pippen vs 2020 Kawhi:

#8 in PPG vs #8 in PPG
#22 in RPG vs #32 in RPG
#19 in APG vs #36 in APG
#2 in SPG (0.1 less than #1) vs #6 in SPG
#43 in BPG vs #77 in BPG

1994 bulls pace: 3rd slowest in the league
2020 clippers pace: 8th fastest in the league


ALSO

Scottie Vs Kawhi 1994 vs 2020
1st team all-NBA vs 2nd team all-nba
1st team all defensive vs 2nd team all defensive

[tpols]

The thing is even with westbrick added, AD and LeBron could still easily win the chip because nobody else has that tandem. What other teams have two top 5 players on the same team? Nobody. Only reason they lost last year is because AD got hurt.

[Kblaze8855]

The thing is even with westbrick added, AD and LeBron could still easily win the chip because nobody else has that tandem. What other teams have two top 5 players on the same team? Nobody. Only reason they lost last year is because AD got hurt.

Which 5 of these players is Lebron better than in your eyes?

KD
Harden
Leonard
Giannis
Steph
Luka
Embiid
Jokic
AD


I think I can guess 3 you might say but I’m having trouble with the rest. I assume those 9 plus Lebron is your top 10 with maybe a spot for Dame or some other random….but with Lebron being top 5 and AD having another spot…you must think Lebron is better than a lot of them. Somehow that surprises me….but I can’t say I’ve been reading ish as much as I used to.

[Shogon]

To be absolutely 100% crystal clear, the Lakers are not favorites against the Nets which means the Lakers should LOSE the series, which is to be EXPECTED.

Got it. :)

[3ba11]

To be absolutely 100% crystal clear, the Lakers are not favorites against the Nets which means the Lakers should LOSE the series, which is to be EXPECTED.

Got it. :)


The oddsmakers have it wrong with Lebron because they frequently make him the preaseason favorite (10', 11-16') or the favorite heading into the playoffs (09', 10', 11-14'), but then make him the underdog on the championship level/Finals (8 out of 10 Finals)... So their preseason odds aren't baking in the lower celing that Lebron-ball reaches (short of championship level, aka worst Finals odds and record in 3-pointer history), regardless of cast or coach

[ELITEpower23]

Only a dumbass that didn't finish their GED would cherry-pick Kawhi's worst year and compare it to Pippen's best....And then think they made a good post!!!.... And then keeps posting it and isn't joking about it!!!..

congrats for proving that Kawhi's worst year = Pippen's best

Pippen's 22/5 and 2nd Round is a top 1000 peak that doesn't compare to Kawhi's peak

Kawhi's worst year? Meltdown. Ya hate to see it

[3ba11]

Kawhi's worst year? Meltdown. Ya hate to see it


Playoffs

Kawhi's peak in the playoffs is Jordan, while one of his lows (2020) is Pippen's best (2nd Round)

[ELITEpower23]

Playoffs

Kawhi's peak in the playoffs is Jordan, while one of his lows (2020) is Pippen's best (2nd Round)

Do you mean to tell me Kawhi has passed Kobe already? I mean he did already tie him in FMVPs, he's only 1 MVP less, but has 2x DPOY and an obviously better peak.

Is Kobe top 15 at this rate?

[Manny98]

1994 Pippen vs 2020 Kawhi:

#8 in PPG vs #8 in PPG
#22 in RPG vs #32 in RPG
#19 in APG vs #36 in APG
#2 in SPG (0.1 less than #1) vs #6 in SPG
#43 in BPG vs #77 in BPG

1994 bulls pace: 3rd slowest in the league
2020 clippers pace: 8th fastest in the league
Why are you comparing Pippens best season to Kawhis 5th best season

And even then 2020 playoff Kawhi destroys Any Pippen playoff run

Thanks for proving to us that Kawhi is WAY better than Pippen

[Spurs m8]

Only a dumbass that didn't finish their GED would cherry-pick Kawhi's worst year and compare it to Pippen's best....And then think they made a good post!!!.... And then keeps posting it and isn't joking about it!!!..

congrats for proving that Kawhi's worst year = Pippen's best

Pippen's 22/5 and 2nd Round is a top 1000 peak that doesn't compare to Kawhi's peak

Lol

Nothing gets past 3ball

No level of mental gymnastics or deceptive posting can beat him

[ShawkFactory]

The oddsmakers have it wrong with Lebron because they frequently make him the preaseason favorite (10', 11-16') or the favorite heading into the playoffs (09', 10', 11-14'), but then make him the underdog on the championship level/Finals (8 out of 10 Finals)... So their preseason odds aren't baking in the lower celing that Lebron-ball reaches (short of championship level, aka worst Finals odds and record in 3-pointer history), regardless of cast or coach

So do you think the oddsmakers are like...trying to predict what’s going to happen? I’m confused as to whether or not you know how books work

[3ba11]

So do you think the oddsmakers are like...trying to predict what’s going to happen? I’m confused as to whether or not you know how books work


If a player's skillset yields a team ceiling that almost always falls short of championship level (worst-ever Finals record), then why would the oddsmakers constantly make them the preseason favorite or pre-playoffs favorite when the history shows they always fall short at the championship level?.. So the preseason odds clearly aren't baking in the lower ceiling that his teams have, regardless of cast or coach (lebron-ball = weak Finals record, aka 6'9" westbrooking with better efficiency)

[GrayGoat]

Op appears to have an intelligence deficit

[NBAGOAT]

Well fair enough but there’s a talent advantage pretty much everywhere too and most people think nets may have some redundancy issues while lebron/ad or Westbrook/ad as duos are very good fits.

At this point in their careers kd should be better than lebron and kyrie better than Westbrook. Maybe I’m too low on ad but imo harden has a stronger argument for top 5 than he does. Lakers don’t have a 4th guy like Harris either, from just a pure salary standpoint, nets are paying for more talent.

[ShawkFactory]

If a player's skillset yields a team ceiling that almost always falls short of championship level (worst-ever Finals record), then why would the oddsmakers constantly make them the preseason favorite or pre-playoffs favorite when the history shows they always fall short at the championship level?.. So the preseason odds clearly aren't baking in the lower ceiling that his teams have, regardless of cast or coach (lebron-ball = weak Finals record, aka 6'9" westbrooking with better efficiency)

Because...people bet on Lebron James.

Oddsmakers are not making predictions :facepalm

[3ba11]

Because...people bet on Lebron James.

Oddsmakers are not making predictions :facepalm


The oddsmakers state the odds that a team has of winning the title..

Those odds don't incorporate Lebron's team ceilings, which usually fall short of championship caliber - if team ceilings fall short of championship caliber every year, then why would they be the preseason or pre-playoffs favorite every year?

[ShawkFactory]

The oddsmakers state the odds that a team has of winning the title.. Those odds don't incorporate the fact that Lebron's teams fall short of championship-caliber regardless of cast - look at this year - he isn't even the favorite with westbrook because other guys that copy his colluding fit better together (more skilled)

Are you just pretending to not know how sports books work just for the sake of your argument that you’ve made literally thousands of times?

[3ba11]

Are you just pretending to not know how sports books work just for the sake of your argument that you’ve made literally thousands of times?


The oddsmakers state the odds that a team has of winning the title..

Those odds don't incorporate Lebron's team ceilings, which usually fall short of championship caliber - if team ceilings fall short of championship caliber every year, then why would they be the preseason or pre-playoffs favorite every year?

[ShawkFactory]

The oddsmakers state the odds that a team has of winning the title..

Those odds don't incorporate Lebron's team ceilings, which usually fall short of championship caliber - if team ceilings fall short of championship caliber every year, then why would they be the preseason or pre-playoffs favorite every year?

So yes..

[SouBeachTalents]

So yes..
The oddsmakers state the odds that a team has of winning the title..

Those odds don't incorporate Lebron's team ceilings, which usually fall short of championship caliber - if team ceilings fall short of championship caliber every year, then why would they be the preseason or pre-playoffs favorite every year?

[RRR3]

Kobe’s skill defecit prevented him from making the playoffs with 3 other stars.

[lakerstekkenn]

So it's a skill deficit where spotty-shooting ball-handlers like Westbrook, Wade, or Lebron lack the off-ball or jumpshooting skill to fit well together, thereby ceding favorite status to a team that has these skills (Nets).

To summarize, skill deficits cause bad teammate fits and underdog status, so Lebron is inferior to top players that have the skill to fit with anyone.. In addition to good teammate fits, these skills allow their team to employ the best strategy (ball movement), which yields the best team ceilings/Finals records

Just ask Russell to play the Rondo role but being more aggressive and creating triple doubles let James take a lesser role getting rest and taking over a times hitting his threes and attacking the basket let Russell and Davis run the offense while the veterans do the dirty work and score their open shots; everything will be fine, but if Davis gets seriously injured Russell will have to carry this team like he's been doing on other teams making the playoffs unlike the Lakers struggles last year and others poor play in the playoffs if those other players played to their potential the Lakers are okay but they didn't and they are gone.

Lakers are okay dangerous and should make the finals if Davis isn't seriously injured the three Davis Russell and James with these veterans could beat anybody if healthy everyone knows this but everyone knows against Jersey or Milwaukee those series will go seven games, I don't think Howard nor Jordan especially Howard will play smart basketball against Giannis Howard plays dumb bone head basketball at times, but we will see.

[No Sir]

LeGainstAllOdds

Let’s hope lebron doesn’t pull off the impossible next season for OPs sake.