Kareem/Shaq won scoring title and title in same season at uber-peaks (71' & 00')

[3ba11]

So it's hard to do, yet Jordan did it 6 times..

Shaq and Kareem's peak burden to win a ring was Jordan's standard burden.

So he never toned it down to win and won 6 titles like Shaq or Kareem's best ring

[RRR3]

Shaq completely carried Kobe in 2000. In fact Kobe downright embarrassed himself.

[3ba11]

Shaq completely carried Kobe in 2000. In fact Kobe downright embarrassed himself.


PLAYOFFS

00' Kobe....... 21.1 on 51.7 ts.. 19.3 PER.. 4.2 BPM.. 0.115 WS/48... 1.4 VORP
93' Pippen.... 20.1 on 50.0 ts.. 16.9 PER.. 2.0 BPM.. 0.083 WS/48... 0.8 VORP

[RRR3]

PLAYOFFS

00' Kobe....... 21.1 on 51.7 ts.. 19.3 PER.. 4.2 BPM.. 0.115 WS/48... 1.4 VORP
93' Pippen.... 20.1 on 50.0 ts.. 16.9 PER.. 2.0 BPM.. 0.083 WS/48... 0.8 VORP
Pippen: lockdown defense
Kobe: horrid defense

[3ba11]

Pippen: lockdown defense
Kobe: horrid defense


Kobe was 5th in DPOY voting in 2000 compared to nothing for Pippen in 1993 - Pippen got no votes for DPOY in 1993 (jordan was 2nd)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2000.html#all_dpoy
https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_1993.html#all_dpoy


anything else?

[SouBeachTalents]

PLAYOFFS

00' Kobe....... 21.1 on 51.7 ts.. 19.3 PER.. 4.2 BPM.. 0.115 WS/48... 1.4 VORP
93' Pippen.... 20.1 on 50.0 ts.. 16.9 PER.. 2.0 BPM.. 0.083 WS/48... 0.8 VORP
Now do '91 & '92 :lol

[3ba11]

Now do '91 & '92 :lol


PLAYOFFS

01' Kobe....... 29.4 on 55.5 ts... 25.0 PER.. 0.260 WS/48.. 6.5 BPM... 1.5 VORP
91' Pippen.... 21.6 on 56.4 ts... 22.0 PER.. 0.197 WS/48... 6.5 BPM.. 1.5 VORP

09' Kobe....... 30.2 on 56.4ts... 26.8 PER.. 0.238 WS/48.. 9.1 BPM... 2.6 VORP


anything else?

[SouBeachTalents]

PLAYOFFS

01' Kobe....... 29.4 on 55.5 ts... 25.0 PER.. 0.260 WS/48.. 6.5 BPM... 1.5 VORP
91' Pippen.... 21.6 on 56.4 ts... 22.0 PER.. 0.197 WS/48... 6.5 BPM.. 1.5 VORP

09' Kobe....... 30.2 on 56.4ts... 26.8 PER.. 0.238 WS/48.. 9.1 BPM... 2.6 VORP
:biggums: The thread is about '00 doofus, the fck you bringing up 2009 for :oldlol:

You were comparing Jordan with 2000 Shaq, compare 2000 Kobe with '91 & '92 Pippen

[3ba11]

:biggums: The thread is about '00 doofus, the fck you bringing up 2009 for :oldlol:

You were comparing Jordan with 2000 Shaq, compare 2000 Kobe with '91 & '92 Pippen


Jordan won the scoring title every year, so I can use any Jordan to compare to 00' Shaq

So I compared 00' Shaq to 93' Jordan and Kobe was better than Pippen in those years

And 01' Kobe > 91' Pippen

So Pippen's worst was worse than Kobe's, just like his best

[SouBeachTalents]

Jordan won the scoring title every year, so I can use any Jordan to compare to 00' Shaq

And I compared 00' Shaq to 93' Jordan and Kobe was better than Pippen in those years

And 01' Kobe > 91' Pippen
Yep, too chickenshit to do it, just as I figured

[3ba11]

Yep, too chickenshit to do it, just as I figured


You were destroyed.

You thought 91' Pippen could beat Kobe and you were sadly mistaken... 01' Kobe destroyed him

Ultimately, Pippen's worst (93') was worse than Kobe's (00'), just like his best (91') was worse than Kobe's best (01')

[jlip]

MJ also led the league in scoring while playing a full 82 games leading his team to a losing record and a first round loss in a sweep that same season. So was it really his ability to lead the league in scoring that won titles or something else?

[RRR3]

Kobe was 5th in DPOY voting in 2000 compared to nothing for Pippen in 1993 - Pippen got no votes for DPOY in 1993 (jordan was 2nd)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2000.html#all_dpoy
https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_1993.html#all_dpoy


anything else?
Yeah Kobe was always overrated on defense I don’t care. When he got matched up on Iverson in the 01 finals, AI annihilated him for 48 points. They had to put Lue on AI because Kobe was helpless against him.

[Manny98]

Kobe was 5th in DPOY voting in 2000 compared to nothing for Pippen in 1993 - Pippen got no votes for DPOY in 1993 (jordan was 2nd)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2000.html#all_dpoy
https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_1993.html#all_dpoy


anything else?
Light work:oldlol:

[RRR3]

You were destroyed.

You thought 91' Pippen could beat Kobe and you were sadly mistaken... 01' Kobe destroyed him

Ultimately, Pippen's worst (93') was worse than Kobe's (00'), just like his best (91') was worse than Kobe's best (01')
Kobe is the worst finals performer of anyone in the top 15. By far. Tell us where it hurts.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi in 2019 playoffs: 732 points on 62% TS

Kareem in 1971 playoffs: 372 points on 55% TS

I take nearly double the total points and +7% TS

[SouBeachTalents]

Klay in 2016 playoffs: 582 points on 59% TS

Shaq in 2001 playoffs: 487 points on 56% TS

Guess that means Klay's playoff run was better

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Klay in 2016 playoffs: 582 points on 59% TS

Shaq in 2001 playoffs: 487 points on 56% TS

Guess that means Klay's playoff run was better

My point is Kawhi can sacrifice not scoring as much total points in regular season because he did twice the work as Kareem did in the playoffs.

I'm comparing a 2x finals mvp and multi time 1st team vs a 2x finals mvp and multi time 1st team

you're comparing shaq vs klay who are not even comparable players.

Now you want Shaq to pick on someone on his own level? Yes Kawhi's 732 point run in 2019 vs Shaq in 2001 was far better because Kawhi had nobody on the same planet as Kobe.

[nayte]

Yeah Kobe was always overrated on defense I don’t care. When he got matched up on Iverson in the 01 finals, AI annihilated him for 48 points. They had to put Lue on AI because Kobe was helpless against him.

Ehh he got you one there mate.