Who was a better 2nd option than Kevin Love in 2018 Eastern Conference?

[3ba11]

* 18/9 on 61% TS in regular season.. 22.4 PER... 0.185 WS/48

* 21/11 in ECF and 19/11 in Finals


The great thing about having a Big 3 super-team of 3 elite 1st options, is that even if you lose one of them, you still have a solid 2-star team and should easily walk through the weak East just like Jimmy Butler did... or like Kawhi/Lowry did... or like Dwight, Iverson and Kidd did...

The only reason Lebron made it look so hard is because of weak strategy (ball-dominance, Westbrooking) instead of the best strategy (ball movement).. If he was getting 34/9/9 in the Spurs system or perhaps the Warriors or 90's Bulls system, his team would sweep most opponents, especially the 18' East teams.. But he lacks the skill required to get dominant stats in those systems (elite jumpshooting skill, quick-iso ability and off-ball/assisted skillset)

[RRR3]

Who was the better second option in the west than Pau Gasol in 2011? Andrew Bynum in 2012? Dwight Howard in 2013?

[3ba11]

Who was the better second option in the west than Pau Gasol in 2011? Andrew Bynum in 2012? Dwight Howard in 2013?


Kobe was well-past his prime in those years, while Dwight/Bynum were injury-ravaged and past-prime in those years too

[RRR3]

Kobe was well-past his prime in those years
:roll: :roll: :roll:



But LeBron’s still in his prime now huh?

[3ba11]

:roll: :roll: :roll:



But LeBron’s still in his prime now huh?


No one disputes that Lebron's longevity is on Kareem's level and superior to Kobe and other players, for whatever reason

That doesn't change the fact that he was inferior to Kobe at basketball, which is why his ball-dominant strategy made an easy Finals run with the best 2nd option in the conference into a hard one - he almost lost to a couple bum teams that Kobe or MJ would beat easily with no help.

[Manny98]

Kyrie in 2016 finals 27/4/4 with 2 steals :bowdown:

[3ba11]

Kyrie in 2016 finals 27/4/4 with 2 steals :bowdown:


Imagine if Pippen went to the Finals and destroyed MVP Barkley like Kyrie did Curry - that's the only way Jordan's ring quality would be reduced to Lebron's best ring

[AirBonner]

No Pip? No chip

[ELITEpower23]

LeElevate is amazing. Always hard at work :bowdown:

[Kenny Griffin]

Who was the better second option in the west than Pau Gasol in 2011? Andrew Bynum in 2012? Dwight Howard in 2013?

what the hell is it with ISH and using kobe as their crutch/measuring stick to lean on in goat debates. HES NOT EVEN TOP 10 ALL TIME ACCORDING TO YOU PEOPLE

[Kenny Griffin]

Kobe was well-past his prime in those years, while Dwight/Bynum were injury-ravaged and past-prime in those years too

jesus h f*cking Christ you stupid mother f*cker will you stop defending kobe you dumb ape!

they want you to.. how many God damn times do I have to tell you they're using kobe instead of jordan because kobe sucks!!!!!


only reply to jordan comparisons you stupid f*ck. you're ruining all the damn progress I've been making this week. God f*cking damnit you piss me off

[SouBeachTalents]

jesus h f*cking Christ you stupid mother f*cker will you stop defending kobe you dumb ape!

they want you to.. how many God damn times do I have to tell you they're using kobe instead of jordan because kobe sucks!!!!!


only reply to jordan comparisons you stupid f*ck. you're ruining all the damn progress I've been making this week. God f*cking damnit you piss me off
This is a 37 year old man ladies & gentleman, getting hysterical over people discussing basketball players on an NBA forum :lol

[SATAN]

Yeah, dude. Love has really been the difference maker in LeBron's title runs. :facepalm

1 star. Also 1-9.

[3ba11]

Yeah, dude. Love has really been the difference maker in LeBron's title runs. :facepalm

1 star. Also 1-9.


In the 2018 ECSF, Love provided amazing help with 21/12 against the #2 SRS Raptors - so Lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, which means he never had a carry-job against a good team in 20 years of playing.

He can't have carry-jobs against good teams because the high scoring required can only be achieved in a ball-dominant fashion, and this extra ball-dominance/weaker brand can't overcome good brands/teams (09' ECF).. The 2nd reason he can't beat good teams with high scoring is because he shoots poorly at carry-job volume due to the additional contested jumpshooting required (15' Finals) - he infact avoids contested jumpshots - this is statistical fact.

Imagine being so overrated that you're cconsidered a goat candidate despite your high scoring being a negative factor against good teams - the increased ball-dominance can't beat good teams, while the weak efficiency at carry-job volume also prevents winning with high scoring.. The guy literally can't beat good teams with high scoring, or have carry-jobs against good teams (where sidekick wets the bed).

[SATAN]

Yeah man I'm not reading that.

[Kenny Griffin]

This is a 37 year old man ladies & gentleman, getting hysterical over people discussing basketball players on an NBA forum :lol

ladies?

[3ballwarriorfan]

Hi.

3ball is warriorfan.

https://c.tenor.com/8nNNzhbJ2XUAAAAM/the-big-short-boom.gif

Bye.

[Hey Yo]

Kyrie in 2016 finals 27/4/4 with 2 steals :bowdown:

But I thought LeBron makes his teammates worse?

[Hey Yo]

Imagine if Pippen went to the Finals and destroyed MVP Barkley like Kyrie did Curry - that's the only way Jordan's ring quality would be reduced to Lebron's best ring

How big of deal is Kyrie destroying paraplegic Curry that Finals?

[Manny98]

But I thought LeBron makes his teammates worse?
Love and Bosh produced nowhere near their expected capacity next to LeBron

Kyrie has a GOAT level skillset which allows him to produce on any roster

[SATAN]

Love and Bosh produced nowhere near their expected capacity next to LeBron

Kyrie has a GOAT level skillset which allows him to produce on any roster

Like the Celtics

[outofstomach]

so why didn’t anyone answer OP’s question?

who had the superior second option in the eastern conference during lebron’s playoff run?

[ArbitraryWater]

Kevin Love did not play in game 6 and 7 of that series, by the way.

[Phoenix]

jesus h f*cking Christ you stupid mother f*cker will you stop defending kobe you dumb ape!

they want you to.. how many God damn times do I have to tell you they're using kobe instead of jordan because kobe sucks!!!!!


only reply to jordan comparisons you stupid f*ck. you're ruining all the damn progress I've been making this week. God f*cking damnit you piss me off

:rant

Jesus H Christ dude, 4 walls for you and the key melted down.

[Hey Yo]

Love and Bosh produced nowhere near their expected capacity next to LeBron

Kyrie has a GOAT level skillset which allows him to produce on any roster

What were their projected averages as 3rd options?

[Hey Yo]

Kevin Love did not play in game 6 and 7 of that series, by the way.

Yep.... only 5mins in game 6 and held scoreless.

James, in his 8th consecutive ECF, carried the Cavs from a 3-2 deficit with

George Hill
JR
Jeff Green
Thompson.

Boston heavy favorites at home in game 7

[Manny98]

What were their projected averages as 3rd options?
Bosh and Love were reduced to 15ppg spot up shooters under LeBron ball :(

Otoh Klays production remained the same after the Warriors got KD,

Same with Kyrie and Harden on the Nets

KDs elite off ball ability and non ball dominance allows his teammates to maintain their star production whilst LeBrons teammates see a massive fall in their production due to having to accommodate to his ball dominant play style

[Hey Yo]

What were their projected averages???

[Manny98]

What were their projected averages???
At least 20ppg

[TheCorporation]

so why didn’t anyone answer OP’s question?

who had the superior second option in the eastern conference during lebron’s playoff run?

Oh we're actually taking Kobe lover OP serious for a moment? Okay then, this is lite work:

•76ers had Ben Simmons
•Bucks had Khris Middleton
•Celtics had Brown and Tatum
•Raptors had DeMar/Lowry and FVV
•Pacers had Bogdonavich and Sabonis (both outscored Love that series :lol)

Was this thread supposed to be a joke? NEXT

[Hey Yo]

At least 20ppg

Link's

[Hey Yo]

Oh we're actually taking Kobe lover OP serious for a moment? Okay then, this is lite work:

•76ers had Ben Simmons
•Bucks had Khris Middleton
•Celtics had Brown and Tatum
•Raptors had DeMar/Lowry and FVV
•Pacers had Bogdonavich and Sabonis (both outscored Love that series :lol)

Was this thread supposed to be a joke? NEXT

Don't pay attention to outofmyass ..... he just looks for attention.

[Manny98]

Link's

Based off what we saw the previous seasons

Love 26/12 monster

Bosh top 5 in the NBA in PER

Reduced to nothing by Bron Ball

We were able to see glimpses of the old Chris Bosh before he unfortunately retired

[Hey Yo]

Based off what we saw the previous seasons

Love 26/12 monster

Bosh top 5 in the NBA in PER

Reduced to nothing by Bron Ball

We were able to see glimpses of the old Chris Bosh before he unfortunately retired

So they were expected to keep 1st option numbers while playing 3rd option? That sounds like a you problem... not a my problem.
Where's the media and experts links to all those avg. predictions?

Old glimpses of Bosh means avg. more 3PA than any year prior. LeBron off the team made Bosh increase 3PA per game??

[Manny98]

So they were expected to keep 1st option numbers while playing 3rd option? That sounds like a you problem... not a my problem.
Where's the media and experts links to all those avg. predictions?

Old glimpses of Bosh means avg. more 3PA than any year prior. LeBron off the team made Bosh increase 3PA per game??

Klay got the same amount of touches when Durant went to the Warriors whilst Love and Bosh were reduced to 15ppg role player by LeBron

Harden, Kyrie and KD are all putting up big numbers together

Only on Lebron teams where players stats get reduced

[Hey Yo]

Didn't think you'd answer the questions.

Enjoy the L, chico

[Manny98]

Didn't think you'd answer the questions.

Enjoy the L, chico
Why couldn't Bosh and Love play close to capacity next to LeBron?

[1987_Lakers]

OP lying about stats again, Love did not average 21/11 in the ECF that year.

[3ballwarriorfan]

OP lying about stats again, Love did not average 21/11 in the ECF that year.

OP is warriorfan. Same human.

[3ba11]

OP lying about stats again, Love did not average 21/11 in the ECF that year.


Love averaged 21/12 on 48% against the #2 SRS Raptors in the 2nd Round

This is significant because it continues the 20-year trend of Lebron never beating a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick - so Lebron has no carry-jobs against good teams in 2 decades of playing.

Lebron can't have carry-jobs against good teams because he can't handle the additional jumpshooting and contested jumpshooting required of carry-job volume (15' Finals), while his high scoring is accomplished via weak brand (westbrooking) which can't beat good teams (09' ECF)... So Lebron "chooses" to score less because he can't win if he scores more (due to inefficiency at high volume and a ball-dominant method of high-scoring that can't beat good teams).

[outofstomach]

Don't pay attention to outofmyass ..... he just looks for attention.ironic coming from a conservative anti vax moron :lol

[SaintzFury13]

Lebron can't have carry-jobs against good teams because he can't handle the additional jumpshooting and contested jumpshooting required of carry-job volume

We can now add 2018 playoffs to the list of things 3ball never watched.

[3ba11]

We can now add 2018 playoffs to the list of things 3ball never watched.


Love averaged 20/10 against the top 5 SRS opponents in the 18' Playoffs (TOR and GSW) - so Lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, aka Lebron never had a carry-job against a good team in 2 decades..

He can't have carry-jobs against good teams because he can't win with high scoring - his high scoring is too ball-dominant/inferior strategy, or too inefficient at high volume (too much jumpshooting required) - see the 09' ECF or 15' Finals for examples of both, respectively.

How do you lose the 09' ECF despite the best possible scenario (historic favorite against 1-star team)???... You start westbrooking, that's how.

Yes Lebron was more efficient and makes better decisions than Westbrook, but it's the same overall strategy (ball-domination), which is inferior to ball-movement, so it will still mostly lose regardless of who the ball-dominator is, even a 6'8" Westbrook (lebron) will lose.. i.e. Lebron lost as the favorite to 1-star teams in 09' and 11'

[dankok8]

3ball...

You're so boring. No one cares about this anymore. Just stop!

[SaintzFury13]

Love averaged 20/10 against the top 5 SRS opponents in the 18' Playoffs (TOR and GSW) - so Lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, aka Lebron never had a carry-job against a good team in 2 decades..

He can't have carry-jobs against good teams because he can't win with high scoring - his high scoring is too ball-dominant/inferior strategy, or too inefficient at high volume (too much jumpshooting required) - see the 09' ECF or 15' Finals for examples of both, respectively.

How do you lose the 09' ECF despite the best possible scenario (historic favorite against 1-star team)???... You start westbrooking, that's how.

Yes Lebron was more efficient and makes better decisions than Westbrook, but it's the same overall strategy (ball-domination), which is inferior to ball-movement, so it will still mostly lose regardless of who the ball-dominator is, even a 6'8" Westbrook (lebron) will lose.. i.e. Lebron lost as the favorite to 1-star teams in 09' and 11'

You can copy and paste your posts all you want. It doesn't change the fact that you didn't watch any of the series that you constantly ramble on about.