Who’s performance as a 2nd option was worse?

[2ball]

A) Kobe Bryant, 2000 Finals - 18 PPG, 36% FG

B) Lebron James, 2011 Finals - 17 PPG, 47% FG

C) Scottie Pippen, 1998 Finals - 15 PPG 42% FG

D) Dwayne Wade, 2014 Finals - 15 PPG, 42% FG


Which one was the worst?

[RRR3]

Kobe averaged 15.6 PPG (on 41 TS%!) in the 2000 finals how’d you get 18 out of that?

[Manny98]

Kobe - gets a pass because he was 20 years old + injured

Wade - gets a pass because he was past his prime

Pippen - those are average Pippen numbers so who cares

LeBron - Was in his absolute prime and he let himself get outscored by Jason f*cking Terry, arguably the worst choke in the history of sports

This one goes to LeBron

[ELITEpower23]

Kobe averaged 15.6 PPG (on 41 TS%!) in the 2000 finals how’d you get 18 out of that?

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Redo OP, don't be mentally challenged :oldlol:

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[RRR3]

+1

Redo OP, don't be mentally challenged :oldlol:

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78 points on 90 shots :roll:



Christ that might be the worst finals ever for a superstar.

[yuvsaha123]

78 points on 90 shots :roll:



Christ that might be the worst finals ever for a superstar.

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[Airupthere]

Kobe - gets a pass because he was 20 years old + injured

Wade - gets a pass because he was past his prime

Pippen - those are average Pippen numbers so who cares

LeBron - Was in his absolute prime and he let himself get outscored by Jason f*cking Terry, arguably the worst choke in the history of sports

This one goes to LeBron

Wade gets a pass because he was bronballed

[TheCorporation]

2011 LeBron gets a pass because he was Wade balled

Finally someone says it thanks.

[yuvsaha123]

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[Full Court]

2011 Lebron was possibly the biggest choke job of all time.

[ImKobe]

Kobe averaged 19 a game if you take out the 1st quarter ankle injury. You guys are ****ing losers for still trying to dump on him for that.

[Hey Yo]

Kobe averaged 19 a game if you take out the 1st quarter ankle injury. You guys are ****ing losers for still trying to dump on him for that.

In games 5 and 6, he took 47 combined FGA. Tell us again how bad his ankle was feeling.

[John_Connor]

Kobe averaged 15.6 PPG (on 41 TS%!) in the 2000 finals how’d you get 18 out of that?

in the games kobe actually played he averaged 19ppg and won a game for shaq. if this doesn't count then neither does Paus titles. and in the 4 wins in 2010 Pau shot horrendously for a 7 footer at like 42% or something.


I dunno why I have to continuously remind you of these facts. possibly because the truth hurts and you have to count kobes 2 point injury game where he came out of the 1st quarter as part of his average in order to feel good about your phoney opinion lol

[zeerghit]

2004 Kobe has to be here..

[John_Connor]

In games 5 and 6, he took 47 combined FGA. Tell us again how bad his ankle was feeling.

after the game 4 miracle his ankle probly ceased up. have younever played sports before. you gotta ice injuries for like 3-4 days before you can do anything

[SouBeachTalents]

It's stupid to include LeBron in this as he was in the midst of winning 4 MVP's in 5 seasons, while the other 3 weren't even close that level of play in the seasons that were referenced. There's honestly not a series I'd actually consider worse than LeBron's in 2011, it truly was that bad.

As for the other 3, from best to worst I'd rank them

1998 Pippen
2000 Kobe
2014 Wade

Pippen was actually getting FMVP consideration before getting injured towards the end of the series. Kobe had one good game, and was frankly terrible the rest of the series. Wade was a complete horror show, those last 2 games were literally some of the worst basketball I've ever seen from an all-star caliber player.

[highwhey]

Jordan.

[ImKobe]

after the game 4 miracle his ankle probly ceased up. have younever played sports before. you gotta ice injuries for like 3-4 days before you can do anything

He obviously has never sprained an ankle and tried to play or even just run on that shit. It's like when Zeke injured his ankle and went insane in that Game 6 against the Lakers but couldn't really move in the next game. Kobe basically missed 2 games and clearly looked a step slower compared to what he was the rest of the POs but the haters probably have never even watched any of those games.

[Hey Yo]

Stopped at miracle....you're being dumb

[John_Connor]

there's literally no way kobes 2000 finals can be considered one of the worst cause he literally single handedly won a game for the Lakers. there's a bunch of 2nd options that never have a game like that. and kobe had just led the Lakers in every category in game 7 vs Portland to get them to the finals. those 2 performances are legendary. Shaq doesn't have that ring without Kobe and there's a ton of 2nd options that didn't have to save their leader once let alone twice and still won a ring with even less than 19/4/5 or whatever he actually averaged without that ankle injury game.. plus he was 21 years old

some context needs to go into this. even mark Jackson says kobe put the Lakers over the top and without him the Pacers beat the Lakers

[John_Connor]

Stopped at miracle....you're being dumb

how many times throughout history has a 21 year old taken a team.on his back during a pivotal finals game.. I think the only other time was magic in 1980

[Hey Yo]

He obviously has never sprained an ankle and tried to play or even just run on that shit. It's like when Zeke injured his ankle and went insane in that Game 6 against the Lakers but couldn't really move in the next game. Kobe basically missed 2 games and clearly looked a step slower compared to what he was the rest of the POs but the haters probably have never even watched any of those games.

So Kobe could barely move, yet was able to put up 47fga in games 5 and 6?

[ImKobe]

So Kobe could barely move, yet was able to put up 47fga in games 5 and 6?

Anyone can put up shots, it's about getting the right elevation or having that first step & being able to beat guys off the dribble. He had 0 FTA his first 2 games back from injury when he had not had a single 0 FTA game (excluding the injury game that left 9 minutes into playing) all season.

[John_Connor]

So Kobe could barely move, yet was able to put up 47fga in games 5 and 6?

again. you're obviously not an athlete. you can loosen up an ankle. but it's difficult. sharp movements can re aggravate it. and when youre sitting it tightens up again. it's almost impossible to jump off that leg. only running is possible when it's loose.

you're a typical internet message board basement dwelling cuck. it's soooooo cliche that you hate kobe and love lebron. it's ALWAYS the case. your fans are ALLLLLLWAYS steve/Simon types

[zeerghit]

again. you're obviously not an athlete. you can loosen up an ankle. but it's difficult. sharp movements can re aggravate it. and when youre sitting it tightens up again. it's almost impossible to jump off that leg. only running is possible when it's loose.

you're a typical internet message board basement dwelling cuck. it's soooooo cliche that you hate kobe and love lebron. it's ALWAYS the case. your fans are ALLLLLLWAYS steve/Simon types
YES YOU CAN, with right warm up and right medical injections u can play with sprained ankle, played multiple times. But its not recommended for sure

[Hey Yo]

Anyone can put up shots, it's about getting the right elevation or having that first step & being able to beat guys off the dribble. He had 0 FTA his first 2 games back from injury when he had not had a single 0 FTA game (excluding the injury game that left 9 minutes into playing) all season.

If Kobe wasn't getting the right elevation due to injury, then why keep shooting so much?

Going 8-27 and 4-20 should be a tell that you're forcing things and doing the team no favors in the Finals.

[ImKobe]

If Kobe wasn't getting the right elevation due to injury, then why keep shooting so much?

Going 8-27 and 4-20 should be a tell that you're forcing things and doing the team no favors in the Finals.

He was still a net-positive player and closed out Game 6 so by no means was that a bad game for him, he was still playing great defense. Kobe was the only player on the team who could run the offense and consistently create a good shot for himself. You want Ron Harper taking 20 shots instead of Kobe? Glen Rice could shoot but you had to create those looks for him, Ron Harper could pass but he wasn't a good scorer at that point. Shaq could carry the scoring load but he couldn't run the offense & he was a liability at the FT line so he wasn't a good option in crunch time if you could foul him & make him shoot FTs.

No one else on that team could play Kobe's role. Kobe was also incredibly clutch in the 2000 Playoffs so he gave them the best chance to win a close game, and he did in Game 4 and Game 6.

He had a 65.1%TS in the last 5 minutes of close games in the 2000 Playoffs.