There's an obvious reason why Lebron "chooses" not to score more..

[3ba11]

He can't win with it - Lebron's skillset requires too much Westbrooking to beat good teams at high scoring levels.

That's why Jordan is goat - people dismiss his unique trait of winning titles as scoring champ but that's actually why he's goat - he possessed the skills to score the most winning way (off-ball, elite jumpshooting skill), so he didn't have to "choose" to score less like Lebron.

And aside from Jordan's 6 titles, only peak Kareem/Shaq matched the feat of title & scoring champ in their peak seasons of 71' and 00'.

[RRR3]

Kobe tried to score as much as possible and still couldn’t score as much as LeBron. Yikes.

[3ba11]

Kobe tried to score as much as possible and still couldn’t score as much as LeBron. Yikes.


Lebron was westbrooking, while Kobe was triangling

Yet Kobe still has more scoring titles

[RRR3]

Lebron was westbrooking, while Kobe was triangling

Yet Kobe still has more scoring titles
Are you stupid enough to think Kobe was playing in the triangle when he won his scoring titles?

Retardball

[SATAN]

Kobe tried to score as much as possible and still couldn’t score as much as LeBron. Yikes.

Actual /thread

[Real Men Wear Green]

It's like we aren't talking about one of the all time greatest scorers in NBA history.

[SATAN]

MJ chose not to score when he went 1-11 in the Olympics and got bailed out by Sir Charles. :facepalm

He also went 1-9 deliberately.

[tpols]

Lebron was westbrooking, while Kobe was triangling

Yet Kobe still has more scoring titles

:lol

Brutal ether. Checkers to Chess.

[outofstomach]

I seriously think that Kenny has some serious mental issues he needs to deal with as his recent meltdowns are downright embarrassing.
the bron stans have finally whittled his sanity down to his true nature, a racist conservatard who has a raging hard on for his token black kobe :lol

it’s so cringy to keep making alt accounts and being somewhere you’re obviously not wanted, it’s like he gets a kick out of it

[ShawkFactory]

Are you stupid enough to think Kobe was playing in the triangle when he won his scoring titles?

Retardball

:roll: this will undoubtedly be glossed over.

He has two scoring titles and got them while taking 27 and 24 shots a game on .500 teams.

Seems like he was choosing to score :lol

[outofstomach]

:roll: this will undoubtedly be glossed over.

He has two scoring titles and got them while taking 27 and 24 shots a game on .500 teams.

Seems like he was choosing to score :lol
he didn’t mention anything about a triangle offense in the post, his point was is that lebron ball dominated and still couldn’t touch kobe who played IN A SYSTEM in terms of raw scoring output, that exposed lebron’s limited skill set while it accentuates Kobe’s

you morons keep strawmanning arguments and then derailing threads every single time

[ShawkFactory]

he didn’t mention anything about a triangle offense in the post, his point was is that lebron ball dominated and still couldn’t touch kobe who played IN A SYSTEM in terms of raw scoring output, that exposed lebron’s limited skill set while it accentuates Kobe’s

you morons keep strawmanning arguments and then derailing threads every single time

Trust me, I know what his point is. There’s been literally (Like actually literally) hundreds of threads about it

[getting_old]

He's past his prime but still has great years left in him.

Jordan leaned on his lethal shooting, Wilt became an assist king. Bill Russell didn't even practice his last few seasons...

Look forward to jeering and swearing at him on the TV for many more years.

[3ballwarriorfan]

Hi.

3ball is warriorfan.

https://c.tenor.com/8nNNzhbJ2XUAAAAM/the-big-short-boom.gif

Bye.

[SATAN]

We need evidence. Come on. :lol

[3ba11]

We need evidence. Come on. :lol


see the 09' ECF for a good example of Lebron losing with high scoring, despite the best possible scenario (historic favorite against a 1-star opponent)..

The Magic were employing the best strategy of ball movement and getting open looks, while the Cavs couldn't respond in kind because Lebron was Westbrooking.. That's a recipe for getting upset in the playoffs when opponents can adjust to a simple, ball-dominant style.

And see the 15' Finals for a good example of Lebron having bad efficiency at carry-job volume because of the additional contested jumpshooting required (lebron actually avoids contested jumpshots)..

To summarize - Lebron can't win with high scoring because he shoots poorly at carry-job volume (15' Finals), while the additional ball-domination of his high scoring can't beat good teams (09' ECF)... So ultimately, Lebron "chooses" not to score more because he can't win that way - he's too inefficient at high volume and his scoring method is weak brand ball-dominance that can't beat good teams.

[SouBeachTalents]

Jordan's 4 highest scoring playoff runs didn't result in a title, while 5 of his 7 lowest scoring ones did, so it seems like this is applicable to Jordan too.

[3ba11]

Jordan's 4 highest scoring playoff runs didn't result in a title, while 5 of his 7 lowest scoring ones did, so it seems like this is applicable to Jordan too.


Lebron has zero series wins outside the 1st Round with 35+ ppg, while Jordan has literally tons of series wins where he averaged 36-43 ppg.

Jordan averaged 36/7/8 in the 91-93' Finals and 34/7/7 for the 91-93' Playoffs, while having 4 series wins of 40 ppg or more.... That's just for starters...

So again - to summarize - Lebron can't win with high scoring because he shoots poorly at carry-job volume - i.e. he can't handle the additional jumpshooting and contested jumpshooting required of carry-job volume (15' Finals) and infact avoids contested jumpers (doesn't attempt them)... Meanwhile, the additional ball-domination of his high scoring can't beat good teams (09' ECF)...

So ultimately, Lebron "chooses" not to score more because he can't win that way - he's too inefficient at high volume (15' Finals) and his scoring method is weak brand/ball-dominance that can't beat good teams (09' ECF)

[outofstomach]

Jordan's 4 highest scoring playoff runs didn't result in a title, while 5 of his 7 lowest scoring ones did, so it seems like this is applicable to Jordan too.

it’s almost like when you ball dominate you win less

[3ba11]

it’s almost like when you ball dominate you win less


Jordan won many series with high scoring and Lebron didn't

so SouBeach has no point and he knows it.

Jordan won DOZENS of series while averaging 36-43 ppg, while Lebron never won outside the 1st Round while averaging over 35

So ultimately, Lebron "chooses" not to score more because he can't win that way - he can't handle high jumpshooting loads so he's too inefficient at high volume (15' Finals), while his high-scoring method is a weaker brand of ball-dominance that can't beat good teams (09' ECF)

[SouBeachTalents]

Jordan won many series with high scoring and Lebron didn't

so SouBeach has no point and he knows it.

Jordan won DOZENS of series while averaging 36-43 ppg, while Lebron never won outside the 1st Round while averaging over 35
I've said this before, but why is this a LeBron thing :lol If we're keeping to the no first round criteria, who in the top 10 has averaged over 35 in a series win? I'd be very surprised if anyone did it more than once.

[3ba11]

I've said this before, but why is this a LeBron thing :lol If we're keeping to the no first round criteria, who in the top 10 has averaged over 35 in a series win? I'd be very surprised if anyone did it more than once.


MJ, Shaq, Wilt, Kareem... But that shows why MJ is goat - he can win with high scoring or scoring champion, while almost no one else can and no one else can consistently

in Lebron's case, he "chooses" not to score more because he can't win that way - he can't handle high jumpshooting loads so he's too inefficient at high volume (15' Finals), while his high-scoring method is a weaker brand of ball-dominance that can't beat good teams (09' ECF)

[MadDog]

I've said this before, but why is this a LeBron thing :lol If we're keeping to the no first round criteria, who in the top 10 has averaged over 35 in a series win? I'd be very surprised if anyone did it more than once.

This. Jordan's clearly the better scorer, and widely regarded as the better player. We don't see anti Kareem or Wilt threads though. :confusedshrug: Almost as if its not about Jordan - but someone else being compared with LeBron lol.

[RRR3]

This. Jordan's clearly the better scorer, and widely regarded as the better player. We don't see anti Kareem or Wilt threads though. :confusedshrug: Almost as if its not about Jordan - but someone else being compared with LeBron lol.
It’s because Jordan is the only player he feels comfortable comparing to LeBron. Everyone else he knows the majority will disagree with him.

[3ba11]

This. Jordan's clearly the better scorer, and widely regarded as the better player. We don't see anti Kareem or Wilt threads though. :confusedshrug: Almost as if its not about Jordan - but someone else being compared with LeBron lol.


MJ, Shaq, Wilt, and Kareem won series with 35+, so that's nearly half the top 10... And Giannis just won the Finals with 35+.

But this shows why MJ is goat - he can win with high scoring or scoring champion, while almost no one else can and no one else can consistently

in Lebron's case, he "chooses" not to score more because he can't win that way - he can't handle high jumpshooting loads so he's too inefficient at high volume (15' Finals), while his high-scoring method is a weaker brand of ball-dominance that can't beat good teams (09' ECF).. This is all statistical fact - Lebron even avoids contested jumpers - literally doesn't take them - this is statistical fact

[RRR3]

MJ, Shaq, Wilt, and Kareem won series with 35+, so that's nearly half the top 10... And Giannis just won the Finals with 35+.

But this shows why MJ is goat - he can win with high scoring or scoring champion, while almost no one else can and no one else can consistently

in Lebron's case, he "chooses" not to score more because he can't win that way - he can't handle high jumpshooting loads so he's too inefficient at high volume (15' Finals), while his high-scoring method is a weaker brand of ball-dominance that can't beat good teams (09' ECF)
Do you not realize LeBron scores more than Wilt and Kareem adjusted for pace in his best runs? 35 is also a really arbitrary cut off since LeBron has won series averaging 34 PPG

[SouBeachTalents]

MJ, Shaq, Wilt, Kareem... But that shows why MJ is goat - he can win with high scoring or scoring champion, while almost no one else can and no one else can consistently

in Lebron's case, he "chooses" not to score more because he can't win that way - he can't handle high jumpshooting loads so he's too inefficient at high volume (15' Finals), while his high-scoring method is a weaker brand of ball-dominance that can't beat good teams (09' ECF)
Keeping to your laughably cherry picked bullshit criteria of averaging over 35 in a series win not in the first round

Wilt & Kareem never did it. The only guy who did this that you listed was Shaq, who accomplished this in the '00 & '02 Finals. So you can argue this point, but you're essentially claiming Kobe had GOAT level help for his first 3 titles.

[RRR3]

Keeping to your laughably cherry picked bullshit criteria of averaging over 35 in a series win not in the first round

Wilt & Kareem never did it. The only guy who did it that you listed was Shaq, who accomplished it in the '00 & '02 Finals. So you can argue this point, but you're essentially arguing Kobe had GOAT level help for his first 3 titles
He gives Kobe more credit than Shaq for those rings too :roll: even 2000 he claims Kobe “saved” Shaq

[3ba11]

Do you not realize LeBron scores more than Wilt and Kareem adjusted for pace in his best runs? 35 is also a really arbitrary cut off since LeBron has won series averaging 34 PPG


Well I'm just showing another way (probably the most important way) that Lebron falls far short of Jordan.. If everyone else falls short in the same way, then that's fine and only further demonstrates jordan's goatness

Ultimately, Jordan had elite jumpshooting skill to handle high jumpshooting volume (carry-job volume), while also possessing quick-iso ability/off-ball, which allowed a great brand of ball at high scoring levels - these skills allowed him to win with high scoring (carry-jobs).. Otoh, Lebron can't win with high scoring - he can't handle high jumpshooting loads so he's too inefficient at high volume (15' Finals), while his high-scoring method is a weaker brand of ball-dominance that can't beat good teams (09' ECF)

[MadDog]

It’s because Jordan is the only player he feels comfortable comparing to LeBron. Everyone else he knows the majority will disagree with him.

So basically OP claims LeBron isn't top 10, but REALLY feels he's top 2. And above all his REAL favorite players. :confusedshrug: That actually makes sense lol


MJ, Shaq, Wilt, and Kareem won series with 35+, so that's nearly half the top 10... And Giannis just won the Finals with 35+.

But this shows why MJ is goat - he can win with high scoring or scoring champion, while almost no one else can and no one else can consistently

in Lebron's case, he "chooses" not to score more because he can't win that way - he can't handle high jumpshooting loads so he's too inefficient at high volume (15' Finals), while his high-scoring method is a weaker brand of ball-dominance that can't beat good teams (09' ECF).. This is all statistical fact - Lebron even avoids contested jumpers - literally doesn't take them - this is statistical fact

LeBron literally won 2 series averaging 35+. He won another 5 series averaging 34, which is hardly a difference. The more you post the more erratic your "standard" is.

[RRR3]

Well I'm just showing another way (probably the most important way) that Lebron falls far short of Jordan.. If everyone else falls short in the same way, then that's fine and only further demonstrates jordan's goatness

Ultimately, Jordan had elite jumpshooting skill to handle high jumpshooting volume (carry-job volume), while also possessing quick-iso ability/off-ball, which allowed a great brand of ball at high scoring levels - these skills allowed him to win with high scoring (carry-jobs).. Otoh, Lebron can't win with high scoring - he can't handle high jumpshooting loads so he's too inefficient at high volume (15' Finals), while his high-scoring method is a weaker brand of ball-dominance that can't beat good teams (09' ECF)
Stop hiding behind Jordan. No one besides the most deranged LeBron stans care if you rank MJ over LeBron it’s not a controversial opinion, MJ is literally the most popular choice for GOAT. Try actually arguing Kobe over LeBron since you claimed he’s arguably GOAT. But you can’t do it can you? You know LeBron is better :lol That’s why you use MJ to attack him.

[3ba11]

So basically OP claims LeBron isn't top 10, but REALLY feels he's top 2. And above all his REAL favorite players. :confusedshrug: That actually makes sense lol



LeBron literally won 2 series averaging 35+. He won another 5 series averaging 34, which is hardly a difference. The more you post the more erratic your "standard" is.


Lebron's lost a critical series with 39 ppg despite having the best possible scenario (historic favorite against a 1-star team) because his high-scoring method was a weaker brand of ball-dominance

In addition to losing as the favorite with high scoring (poor brand), Lebron lost numerous series by shooting poorly (15' Finals, 07' Finals, 08' ECSF)

Otoh, Jordan was too skilled to lose as the favorite with high scoring by employing a poor brand, and he's too skilled to lose a series while shooting poorly.

[RRR3]

You can always tell when 3ball is stumped because he just copy/pastes a reply that makes little to no sense to the comment that owned him.

[3ba11]

You can always tell when 3ball is stumped because he just copy/pastes a reply that makes little to no sense to the comment that owned him.


Kareem
Russell
Duncan
Shaq
Kobe
Magic
Bird


^^^ All those guys have a comparable ring count or more rings, while dominating at a comparable level, so they have strong cases over Lebron.

Meanwhile, guys like Giannis and Dirk have have arguments over Lebron for learning how to actually WIN (organic), rather than learning to team-hop, while KD and Kawhi have arguments for beating him heads-up (KD) or superior achievement (kawhi's 2019 run with lowry).. Other guys also have arguments over Lebron for other reasons.

[RRR3]

Kareem
Russell
Duncan
Shaq
Kobe
Magic
Bird


^^^ All those guys have a comparable ring count or more rings, while dominating at a comparable level has a strong case over Lebron, so they have strong cases over Lebron.

Meanwhile, guys like Giannis and Dirk have have arguments over Lebron for learning how to actually WIN (organic), rather than learning to team-hop, while KD and Kawhi have arguments for beating him heads-up (KD) or superior achievement (kawhi's 2019 run with lowry).. Other guys also have arguments over Lebron for other reasons.
But according to you all that matters is stats. LeBron is clearly better than all of those guys according to stats. Don’t move the goalposts now.

[3ba11]

But according to you all that matters is stats. LeBron is clearly better than all of those guys according to stats. Don’t move the goalposts now.


Show me where I said stats is all that matters

I use Jordan's stats against Lebron because stats are normally Lebron's strength and his only good argument over various guys - so I take his strength away when comparing him to Jordan by pointing out Jordan's statistical superiority...

The other factors that make someone better is just gravy that magnifies the point, such as:

1) learning to WIN (organic), not just team-hop... aka learning to adjust to teammates and learning championship strategy over many years, etc.

2) averaging 30 without dribbling in the triangle and turning that offense into a winner by inventing a new branch of skills (mid-range game) that every clutch player in the future would use to win chips (dirk, kawhi, pierce, kobe, kd, booker, etc).... a pure basketball skill achievement

3) winning... 6 chips as the best player is the goat achievement in 3-pointer history... 6/6 team ceiling is a testament to jordan's skills that allowed teammate maximization and team strategy maximization

4) much more

[SouBeachTalents]

Show me where I said stats is all that matters

I use Jordan's stats against Lebron because stats are normally Lebron's strength and his only good argument over various guys - so I take his strength away when comparing him to Jordan by pointing out Jordan's statistical superiority...

The other factors that make someone better is just gravy that magnifies the point, such as:

1) learning to WIN (organic), not just team-hop... aka learning to adjust to teammates and learning championship strategy over many years, etc.

2) averaging 30 without dribbling in the triangle and turning that offense into a winner by inventing a new branch of skills (mid-range game) that every clutch player in the future would use to win chips (dirk, kawhi, pierce, kobe, kd, booker, etc).... a pure basketball skill achievement

3) winning... 6 chips as the best player is the goat achievement in 3-pointer history... 6/6 team ceiling is a testament to jordan's skills that allowed teammate maximization and team strategy maximization

4) much more
Should we link every Pippen post you've ever made

[RogueBorg]

He can't win with it - Lebron's skillset requires too much Westbrooking to beat good teams at high scoring levels.

That's why Jordan is goat - people dismiss his unique trait of winning titles as scoring champ but that's actually why he's goat - he possessed the skills to score the most winning way (off-ball, elite jumpshooting skill), so he didn't have to "choose" to score less like Lebron.

And aside from Jordan's 6 titles, only peak Kareem/Shaq matched the feat of title & scoring champ in their peak seasons of 71' and 00'.

How about he can't with his limited skill set. All he can do is drive to the basket or attempt trees. No post game, no mid-range game to speak of. There's no reason why this cat shouldn't have averaged 35 ppg with this no touch era. If Beal can average 31 Lebron should be putting up 35.

[ShawkFactory]

Also, it should be noted that the reason Westbrook hasn't been successful is not his style of play. It's because he is an absolutely ridiculously terrible decision-maker in crunch time.

Time and time again his teams have lost close games because of his bone-headed decisions (not deferring to KD and jacking up terrible shots in double coverage, bad turnovers, stupid fouls, etc.). He finds ways to lose games at the end.

His skill-set is not the problem.

[MadDog]

Lebron's lost a critical series with 39 ppg despite having the best possible scenario (historic favorite against a 1-star team) because his high-scoring method was a weaker brand of ball-dominance

In addition to losing as the favorite with high scoring (poor brand), Lebron lost numerous series by shooting poorly (15' Finals, 07' Finals, 08' ECSF)

Otoh, Jordan was too skilled to lose as the favorite with high scoring by employing a poor brand, and he's too skilled to lose a series while shooting poorly.

You literally went from 35 to 39 in one post lol. By that token, you're admitting LeBron in fact won scoring 35 plus - and a handful of other series scoring 34. No other way around it.

[TheCorporation]

Chooses not to score more.

Still most points all time

https://i.postimg.cc/fWtwv8cK/LNDin-DFp-400x400.jpg


We dont write the memes, 3ball does it for us bois

:hammertime:

[TheCorporation]

https://i.postimg.cc/D0H2BX7J/7-631-Le-Goat-Naturally.jpg

LeNaturel

https://i.postimg.cc/KYQqn6FT/yuyuyuyuyu.gif

[8Ball]

Chooses not to score more.

Still most points all time

https://i.postimg.cc/fWtwv8cK/LNDin-DFp-400x400.jpg


We dont write the memes, 3ball does it for us bois

:hammertime:

No answer.

[Hey Yo]

How about he can't with his limited skill set. All he can do is drive to the basket or attempt trees. No post game, no mid-range game to speak of. There's no reason why this cat shouldn't have averaged 35 ppg with this no touch era. If Beal can average 31 Lebron should be putting up 35.

Dumb

[Hey Yo]

Lebron's lost a critical series with 39 ppg despite having the best possible scenario (historic favorite against a 1-star team) because his high-scoring method was a weaker brand of ball-dominance

In addition to losing as the favorite with high scoring (poor brand), Lebron lost numerous series by shooting poorly (15' Finals, 07' Finals, 08' ECSF)

Otoh, Jordan was too skilled to lose as the favorite with high scoring by employing a poor brand, and he's too skilled to lose a series while shooting poorly.

Cavs only had one star also in 2009.

Speaking of 2015.... which of Jordan's first 3 titles does he win with Pippen only playing game 1 and Grant missing the series?

[Nilocon165]

Are you guys still here having the same ****ing arguments every ****ing day

[SouBeachTalents]

Cavs only had one star also in 2009.

Speaking of 2015.... which of Jordan's first 3 titles does he win with Pippen only playing game 1 and Grant missing the series?
He would obv win all of them. Jordan was winning plenty before Pippen showed up

[TheCorporation]

He would obv win all of them. Jordan was winning plenty before Pippen showed up

https://media.giphy.com/media/14ceV8wMLIGO6Q/giphy.gif

That good ol' 1-9 Success Story :lol

[RRR3]

Should we link every Pippen post you've ever made
+1

[SaintzFury13]

he didn’t mention anything about a triangle offense in the post, his point was is that lebron ball dominated and still couldn’t touch kobe who played IN A SYSTEM in terms of raw scoring output, that exposed lebron’s limited skill set while it accentuates Kobe’s

you morons keep strawmanning arguments and then derailing threads every single time

We have enough retards on this forum as is. It doesn't need your help.

[3ba11]

Jordan was 11-2 in series where he averaged 35+ and the only losses were with 8 seeds to the 86' and 87' Celtics

[3ba11]

Cavs only had one star also in 2009.

Speaking of 2015.... which of Jordan's first 3 titles does he win with Pippen only playing game 1 and Grant missing the series?


Dwight's Magic only had 1 star and were a massive underdog

And regarding 2015 - Lebron lost a series while shooting poorly - MJ never did.. So you can blame the 15' loss on bad shooting, whereas you could never do that for MJ.. And Lebron was in his prime

[RRR3]

Dwight's Magic only had 1 star and were a massive underdog

And regarding 2015 - Lebron lost a series while shooting poorly - MJ never did.. So you can blame the 15' loss on bad shooting, whereas you could never do that for MJ.. And Lebron was in his prime
Kobe lost a lot of series shooting poorly though :yaohappy:

[Axe]

Are you guys still here having the same ****ing arguments every ****ing day
These retards never grow up.

[3ba11]

Kobe lost a lot of series shooting poorly though :yaohappy:


Thread Cliffs


Lebron can't win with high scoring because his high scoring is too ball-dominant/weak brand of ball (09' ECF), or he shoots poorly at high volume (15' Finals).

He shoots poorly at high volume due to the additional jumpshooting and contested jumpshooting required (Lebron infact avoids contested jumpers and isn't good at them)

Since Lebron lacks the skills to win with high scoring (carry the scoring load), he needs an equal-scoring partner (1b) that can match or exceed his playoff scoring like the 11', 16', or 20' Playoffs.. He infact needs elite 1st options to play sidekick and can't win the Finals with a true 2nd option that averages far less.

[SouBeachTalents]

Thread Cliffs


OP is a fakkit

[3ba11]

Thread Cliffs


OP is a fakkit


It must suck to think a player is goat when they can't win with high scoring or carry the scoring load against good teams because their high scoring is too ball-dominant or inefficient at high volume (weak jumpshooting skill)

goat doh.... :facepalm:... lol .. the bum can't even win with high scoring or have carry-jobs against good teams

[2ball]

Thread Cliffs

Everyone in history needed an equal-scoring teammate for at least half their rings (they needed a 1b) - only Jordan won a bunch of rings with true 2nd option, so he's the only guy that faced "1-man team" defensive coverage for his entire career (kenny smith talks about this fact here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s))..

Rings with 2nd option > rings with 1b's, and Jordan has 6 rings with a true 2nd option, or 4 more than anyone else

Ultimately, 2nd option rings require the 1st option to face maximum defensive attention, which gives Jordan's stats and rings maximum quality.. Jordan infact had the least star help of any top 10 player, and led the only 2-star dynasty (no super-team needed)... And pippen's resume/accolades were inflated by getting dynasty credit without having to share the spotlight with 3rd and 4th stars like other dynasties.

[3ba11]

Thread Cliffs

Everyone in history needed an equal or greater-scoring teammate in the playoffs (1b) for most of their rings except the goat, who won 6 rings with a true 2nd option that averaged far less in every playoffs and had low peak capability (low statistical peak).

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here.

Accordingly, rings with 2nd options are greater than rings with 1b's and Jordan has 4 more rings with 2nd options than anyone else in history - that's his irrefutable goat argument.





Wow.. Great post and insight..

I didn't realize that everyone in history had teammates match or lead the scoring for entire playoff runs (1b's), so only MJ won with a true 2nd option that averaged far less in every playoffs (and even series).

[2ball]

Wow.. Great post and insight..

I didn't realize that everyone in history had teammates match or lead the scoring for entire playoff runs (1b's), so only MJ won with a true 2nd option that averaged far less in every playoffs (and even series).

https://media3.giphy.com/media/Mp4hQy51LjY6A/200.gif

[outofstomach]

We have enough retards on this forum as is. It doesn't need your help.i still have yet to see a proper refutation of the view, it makes perfect sense to me

[3ba11]

i still have yet to see a proper refutation of the view, it makes perfect sense to me


That's because it's observable fact, and intuitive - Lebron can't beat good teams with high scoring because his high scoring is too ball-dominant/inferior strategy, or too inefficient at high volume (too much jumpshooting required) - see the 09' ECF or 15' Finals for examples of both, respectively.

How do you lose the 09' ECF despite the best possible scenario (historic favorite against 1-star team)???... You start westbrooking, that's how.

Yes Lebron was more efficient and makes better decisions than Westbrook, but it's the same overall strategy (ball-domination), which is inferior to ball-movement, so it will still mostly lose regardless of who the ball-dominator is, even a 6'8" Westbrook (lebron) will lose.. i.e. Lebron lost as the favorite to 1-star teams in 09' and 11'

[SaintzFury13]

i still have yet to see a proper refutation of the view, it makes perfect sense to me

You're really going to die on this bridge huh?

Okay.


he didn’t mention anything about a triangle offense in the post

First off, yes he did.


Lebron was westbrooking, while Kobe was triangling

What the hell do you think "traingling" means? Did you think that was some kind of Legend of Zelda reference? And don't pretend that you're referring to the original post because Kobe was never once mentioned in that post. Second, 3ball's entire justification for pretending that Kobe is second all time (even though it's been proven that he thinks Kobe is the actual GOAT) is that he won within a system and LeBron didn't. He doesn't have to mention the triangle at all. We all already know what his point is.


his point was is that lebron ball dominated and still couldn’t touch kobe who played IN A SYSTEM in terms of raw scoring output, that exposed lebron’s limited skill set while it accentuates Kobe’s

How does this point make any logical sense? Still couldn't touch Kobe? LeBron has more than twice the MVP awards. He has twice the finals wins as the number one option. Him being a greater player than Kobe has already become the popular consensus. What exactly was exposed here?


you morons keep strawmanning arguments and then derailing threads every single time

You're actually trying to argue that 3ball is making valid threads and that we're ruining them.

This is why you're a ****ing idiot.

[SaintzFury13]

That's because it's observable fact, and intuitive - Lebron can't beat good teams with high scoring because his high scoring is too ball-dominant/inferior strategy, or too inefficient at high volume (too much jumpshooting required) - see the 09' ECF or 15' Finals for examples of both, respectively.

How are those examples of LeBron being unable to beat good teams with high scoring? Those were both examples of LeBron being forced into situations where he had no choice but to score at an extremely high rate. Citing both of these examples is hurting your own argument.

Also, observable fact? You didn't watch the 09 ECF. You can't call something that you didn't watch an observable fact. That's not how this works.


How do you lose the 09' ECF despite the best possible scenario (historic favorite against 1-star team)???... You start westbrooking, that's how.

No, that's not how. Go watch the series and you'll find out.

Also, the Magic weren't a 1 star team. They had more all stars than the Cavaliers did. Don't be a retard.


Yes Lebron was more efficient and makes better decisions than Westbrook, but it's the same overall strategy (ball-domination), which is inferior to ball-movement, so it will still mostly lose regardless of who the ball-dominator is, even a 6'8" Westbrook (lebron) will lose.. i.e. Lebron lost as the favorite to 1-star teams in 09' and 11'

And yet LeBron has four championships and Westbrook has none. You can't make these comparisons when LeBron has accumulated far more success in his career than Westbrook ever came close to achieving.