Michael Jordan’s 1993 NBA finals is the best of all time

[2ball]

The Bulls beat the Suns in 6 games. Jordan averaged 41 points per game, 8.5 rebounds, and 6.4 assists and 2 steals. He shot 50% from the FG.

Charles Barkley averaged 27, 13, 5.5 in the series

:biggums:

[8Ball]

No.

Against a random finals team as good as 2021 Bucks?

LEBRON 2016 is the GOAT finals ever.



To have the GOAT finals you have to take down a dynasty in their prime.

[3ba11]

No.

Against a random finals team as good as 2021 Bucks?

LEBRON 2016 is the GOAT finals ever.



To have the GOAT finals you have to take down a dynasty in their prime.


The only way that Jordan's ring quality could be reduced to Lebron's 2016 ring is if Pippen destroyed MVP Barkley or Malone like Kyrie did Curry..

That's how insane Jordan's ring quality is - he averaged 10-20 more than Pippen in every series, while Pippen averaged 19.0 on 42% for his Finals career - only jordan won a bunch of rings with that kind of help.

And the 16' Cavs were initially favored in the preseason because they had 3 perennial all-stars, while Klay/Dray were 1st time all-stars - so the Cavs were the super-team that the Warriors nearly overcame.. Lebron's super-teams were so unfair from 2011-2016 that KD had to join Curry/Klay to supercede them.

[SouBeachTalents]

The only way that Jordan's ring quality could be reduced to Lebron's 2016 ring is if Pippen had destroyed MVP Barkley or Malone like Kyrie did Curry.. But Pippen shot 45% true shooting in the 93' Finals and averaged 15 ppg against Utah, so he was literally a defensive role player and not the juggernaut dominator that Kyrie was.

And the 16' Cavs were initially favored in the preseason because they had 3 perennial all-stars, while Klay/Dray were 1st time all-stars - so the Cavs were the super-team that the Warriors nearly overcame.. Lebron's super-teams were so unfair to the league from 2011-2016 that KD had to join Curry/Klay to supercede them.
The Warriors were the title favorites for 2017 before Durant signed there, but I'm sure you'll never acknowledge this or ever bring it up :lol

[3ba11]

The Warriors were the title favorites for 2017 before Durant signed there, but I'm sure you'll never acknowledge this or ever bring it up :lol


Cavs were title favorites in the 2016 preseason because they had 3 perennial all-stars, while the Klay/Dray were 1st time all-stars - so it was Lebron that formed the favored super-team first, and the Warriors had to catch up via brand/strategy/skills in 2016 (73 wins), and sheer talent in 2017 (kd)

[HBK_Kliq_2]

No.

Against a random finals team as good as 2021 Bucks?

LEBRON 2016 is the GOAT finals ever.



To have the GOAT finals you have to take down a dynasty in their prime.

Responding to that last sentence: what happens when you take down two different dynasties like kawhi did in 2014 and 2019? And send Durant and LeBron asses packing to Cleveland and new york?

[SouBeachTalents]

Cavs were title favorites in the 2016 preseason because they had 3 perennial all-stars, while the Klay/Dray were 1st time all-stars - so it was Lebron that formed the favored super-team first, and the Warriors had to catch up via brand/strategy/skills in 2016 (73 wins), and sheer talent in 2017 (kd)
Yep, literally no acknowledgement, just the same robo babble

[SouBeachTalents]

Responding to that last sentence: what happens when you take down two different dynasties like kawhi did in 2014 and 2019? And send Durant and LeBron asses packing to Cleveland and new york?
Kawhi's 2014 Finals are definitely in GOAT contention

[3ba11]

Yep, literally no acknowledgement, just the same robo babble


There's no acknowledgement needed - the Cavs were the super-team heading into the 2016 season and the Warriors were not - you can't respond to that, so you deflect to 2017 robo babble... that means you lost.. it's over

[SouBeachTalents]

There's no acknowledgement needed - the Cavs were the super-team heading into the 2016 season and the Warriors were not - you can't respond to that, so you deflect to 2017 robo babble... that means you lost.. it's over
So Vegas odds are legit for the 2016 season, but not 2017. Got it :lol

[3ba11]

So Vegas odds are legit for the 2016 season, but not 2017. Got it :lol


The oddsmakers have never properly "baked in" the lower team ceiling/Finals records of Lebron's teams into the preseason odds - so Lebron is repeatedly the favorite in every preaseason despite always falling to underdog or loser in the Finals...

So who knows why the 2017 odds were still in the Warriors' favor - perhaps the oddsmakers wised up on Lebron's game and realized that he still yields mostly Finals losers, and therefore properly reduced his preseason odds (which they hadn't done previously)

[RogueBorg]

In the '93 Finals Pippen shot .000% from 3 (Jordan shot 40%), 44% from the field, and 54% from the foul line while averaging 20 ppg less than Jordan. I like Pippen but that ain't good.

[eliteballer]

Those Suns couldn’t guard a garbage can.

[SouBeachTalents]

In the '93 Finals Pippen shot .000% from 3 (Jordan shot 40%), 44% from the field, and 54% from the foul line while averaging 20 ppg less than Jordan. I like Pippen but that ain't good.
What's crazy is KJ & Dumas both averaged over 15 a game and neither of them made a 3 the entire Finals either :lol

[Gudo]

The Warriors team became a dynasty because of KD. While the 2016 Warriors were surely impressive, that was still not tantamount to the KD/Curry led Warriors that people associate Bron with. 2016 Warriors may have overachieved a bit that year.

[RogueBorg]

What's crazy is KJ & Dumas both averaged over 15 a game and neither of them made a 3 the entire Finals either :lol

Richard Dumas didn't attempt a three and KJ attempted 2. Pippen went 0-6.

[RogueBorg]

2016 Warriors may have overachieved a bit that year.

The 2016 Warriors were a great regular season team but it's a different ball game in the post-season. They were down 3-1 to OKC and lost a 3-1 lead to Cleveland. Not the sign of a great team.

[3ba11]

What's crazy is KJ & Dumas both averaged over 15 a game and neither of them made a 3 the entire Finals either :lol


Imagine winning a Finals while your sidekick shoots 45% true shooting and lets his 4th option rookie matchup get FMVP Kawhi stats (16 on 57% for Dumas)

How could anyone win in that scenario?.... Oh wait... The goat won by averaging 41/9/6 on 50% and #2 in DPOY that year

[TheCorporation]

The Warriors team became a dynasty because of KD. While the 2016 Warriors were surely impressive, that was still not tantamount to the KD/Curry led Warriors that people associate Bron with. 2016 Warriors may have overachieved a bit that year.

The 2015 and 2016 Warriors were a dynasty with or without KD. They BEAT KD in 2016 :lol They were one shot away from b2b and averaged 70 wins per season (67 and 73).

You've been terminated.

[TheCorporation]

Imagine winning a Finals while your sidekick shoots 45% true shooting and lets his 4th option rookie matchup get FMVP Kawhi stats (16 on 57% for Dumas)

How could anyone win in that scenario?.... Oh wait... The goat won by averaging 41/9/6 on 50% and #2 in DPOY that year

Who was Phoenix's #2 option? I'll wait :lol

.Thread Cliffs

#2 options in 93 Finals
Pip: 21-9-8 (elite defense)
KJ: 17-3-7 (avg defense)

You've been terminated

[3ba11]

Who was Phoenix's #2 option? I'll wait :lol


Phoenix's #2 option was a superior passer/scorer by virtue of being a 20/10 guy that routinely won 55 games and made the ECF, including a historic upset of Magic's 1 seeded Lakers in the 90' ECSF (dominated Magic)... He also averaged 28/5/9 in 2 different 7-game series against 94' and 95' Hakeem, including several 45 point games..

Pippen is nowhere near that... His best was 22/5 with 2nd Round loss and several historic chokes... Pippen was an inferior scorer, passer and leader than KJ with a lower peak and couldn't take teams to the ECF like KJ, who did it twice..

Btw, the Suns' 3rd option was a 3-time all-star and had higher gamescore than Pippen in the 93' Finals (Majerle arguably outplayed Pippen)... Ultimately, the Bulls had 2 all-stars and therefore overcame overt talent deficits (all-star deficits) in the 91', 93', 96' and 98' Finals.

[TheCorporation]

Phoenix's #2 option was a superior passer/scorer by virtue of being a 20/10 guy that routinely won 55 games and made the ECF, including a historic upset of Magic's 1 seeded Lakers in the 90' ECSF (dominated Magic)... He also averaged 28/5/9 in 2 different 7-game series against 94' and 95' Hakeem, including several 45 point games..

Pippen is nowhere near that... His best was 22/5 with 2nd Round loss and several historic chokes... Pippen was an inferior scorer, passer and leader than KJ with a lower peak and couldn't take teams to the ECF like KJ, who did it twice..

Btw, the Suns' 3rd option was a 3-time all-star and had higher gamescore than Pippen in the 93' Finals (Majerle arguably outplayed Pippen)... Ultimately, the Bulls had 2 all-stars and therefore overcame overt talent deficits (all-star deficits) in the 91', 93', 96' and 98' Finals.


.Thread Cliffs

#2 options in 93 Finals
Pip: 21-9-8 (elite defense)
KJ: 17-3-7 (avg defense)

You've been terminated

[SouBeachTalents]

Phoenix's #2 option was a superior passer/scorer by virtue of being a 20/10 guy that routinely won 55 games and made the ECF, including a historic upset of Magic's 1 seeded Lakers in the 90' ECSF (dominated Magic)... He also averaged 28/5/9 in 2 different 7-game series against 94' and 95' Hakeem, including several 45 point games..

Pippen is nowhere near that... His best was 22/5 with 2nd Round loss and several historic chokes... Pippen was an inferior scorer, passer and leader than KJ with a lower peak and couldn't take teams to the ECF like KJ, who did it twice..

Btw, the Suns' 3rd option was a 3-time all-star and had higher gamescore than Pippen in the 93' Finals (Majerle arguably outplayed Pippen)... Ultimately, the Bulls had 2 all-stars and therefore overcame overt talent deficits (all-star deficits) in the 91', 93', 96' and 98' Finals.
Pippen outplayed KJ in the Finals

[BigShotBob]

Pippen outplayed KJ in the Finals

The Suns were much deeper though overall than the Bulls.

[8Ball]

No.

Against a random finals team as good as 2021 Bucks?

LEBRON 2016 is the GOAT finals ever.



To have the GOAT finals you have to take down a dynasty in their prime.

Thread Cliffs:

No Greatest Team defeated means no Greatest Finals.

[8Ball]

Responding to that last sentence: what happens when you take down two different dynasties like kawhi did in 2014 and 2019? And send Durant and LeBron asses packing to Cleveland and new york?

2014 wasn't impressive because Kawhi averaged like 15 ppg.

2019 was more impressive since he took down a dynasty, but Durant didn't play 95% of that series. 2019 was good but still less impressive than 2016.

[8Ball]

.Thread Cliffs

#2 options in 93 Finals
Pip: 21-9-8 (elite defense)
KJ: 17-3-7 (avg defense)

You've been terminated

The Gold Standard to be considered a GREATEST finals means you have to take down a "JUGGERNAUT". Not some top 50 all time team. A top 10 team all time. A dynasty, or 3 MVPs like 2012 OKC.

[8Ball]

The only way that Jordan's ring quality could be reduced to Lebron's 2016 ring is if Pippen destroyed MVP Barkley or Malone like Kyrie did Curry..

That's how insane Jordan's ring quality is - he averaged 10-20 more than Pippen in every series, while Pippen averaged 19.0 on 42% for his Finals career - only jordan won a bunch of rings with that kind of help.

And the 16' Cavs were initially favored in the preseason because they had 3 perennial all-stars, while Klay/Dray were 1st time all-stars - so the Cavs were the super-team that the Warriors nearly overcame.. Lebron's super-teams were so unfair from 2011-2016 that KD had to join Curry/Klay to supercede them.

Jordan did not take down a Juggernaut team ever in his career.

Can't be called the greatest finals if you never ran into a great finals team. Duh.

Jordan's 1993 finals performance = LeBron's 2018 Eastern conference performance vs the Raptors or Boston. Nobody cares.

[DoctorP]

The Gold Standard to be considered a GREATEST finals means you have to take down a "JUGGERNAUT". Not some top 50 all time team. A top 10 team all time. A dynasty, or 3 MVPs like 2012 OKC.

Nah, help from the commissioner deducts points. Jordan's domination was clean as a whistle.

[8Ball]

Nah, help from the commissioner deducts points. Jordan's domination was clean as a whistle.

What help? They gave Draymond Green a flagrant 1 for that testicle hit. That is barely any help.

[SaintzFury13]

The Warriors team became a dynasty because of KD. While the 2016 Warriors were surely impressive, that was still not tantamount to the KD/Curry led Warriors that people associate Bron with. 2016 Warriors may have overachieved a bit that year.

They won 67 games in one season and went on to win 73 in the next. They were going to be at the top of the West with or without Durant. Whether or not they avenge their finals loss against Cleveland is another story, especially with the massive offensive upgrades they had the following season.


So who knows why the 2017 odds were still in the Warriors' favor - perhaps the oddsmakers wised up on Lebron's game and realized that he still yields mostly Finals losers, and therefore properly reduced his preseason odds (which they hadn't done previously)

Are you seriously asking why the Golden State Warriors, who won 73 games the previous season and were one win away from winning the NBA Finals and now had Kevin Durant, were favorites going into 2017?

[SaintzFury13]

Jordan did not take down a Juggernaut team ever in his career.

Can't be called the greatest finals if you never ran into a great finals team. Duh.

Jordan's 1993 finals performance = LeBron's 2018 Eastern conference performance vs the Raptors or Boston. Nobody cares.

LeBron's performance against Golden State deserves all the praise in the world, but it doesn't compare to averaging 40 PPG in an NBA finals series. That's just god tier.

[DoctorP]

What help? They gave Draymond Green a flagrant 1 for that testicle hit. That is barely any help.

https://theundefeated.com/features/nba-finals-history-draymond-green-lebron-james-game-5-suspension/

https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2016/6/18/11968104/nba-finals-2016-news-golden-state-warriors-lebron-james-draymond-green-harrison-barnes

wrong again.

[8Ball]

https://theundefeated.com/features/nba-finals-history-draymond-green-lebron-james-game-5-suspension/

https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2016/6/18/11968104/nba-finals-2016-news-golden-state-warriors-lebron-james-draymond-green-harrison-barnes

wrong again.

8ball Right again.


Upon further review of the play, the league office assessed Green with a flagrant 1 foul — his third of the 2016 postseason.

He got a flagrant 1 foul. Whatever happens afterwards was his problem. Not the league's. Draymond should have been suspended regardless for groin hits.

[8Ball]

LeBron's performance against Golden State deserves all the praise in the world, but it doesn't compare to averaging 40 PPG in an NBA finals series. That's just god tier.

This is God Tier:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b3/75/c7/b375c7a409b2c1eaafcf56ef23a110b3.jpg


It was never done before in NBA finals history or playoff history.

Lead both teams in Points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks. Do it against a 73 win team. Impossible.

[2ball]

This is God Tier:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b3/75/c7/b375c7a409b2c1eaafcf56ef23a110b3.jpg


It was never done before in NBA finals history or playoff history.

Lead both teams in Points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks. Do it against a 73 win team. Impossible.

LeBron only achieved this with an equal scoring partner

[DoctorP]

pathetic.

[8Ball]

excuses

Fixed.


Jordan could never lead all players in all stats.

[Bronbron23]

No.

Against a random finals team as good as 2021 Bucks?

LEBRON 2016 is the GOAT finals ever.



To have the GOAT finals you have to take down a dynasty in their prime.

Pre kd warriors weren't a dynasty though. They won one asterisk lucky chip and they weren't gonna win another one. That's why they went and got kd and formed a real dynasty. We saw how that ended up.

[TheCorporation]

The Gold Standard to be considered a GREATEST finals means you have to take down a "JUGGERNAUT". Not some top 50 all time team. A top 10 team all time. A dynasty, or 3 MVPs like 2012 OKC.

BINGO. This is the way

[TheCorporation]

Pre kd warriors weren't a dynasty though. They won one asterisk lucky chip and they weren't gonna win another one. That's why they went and got kd and formed a real dynasty. We saw how that ended up.

They weren't gonna win another? LeBron had to literally break the game of basketball for Cleveland to still be one bad shot away from losing back to back to Golden State. THINK HARD

[TheCorporation]

This is God Tier:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b3/75/c7/b375c7a409b2c1eaafcf56ef23a110b3.jpg


It was never done before in NBA finals history or playoff history.

Lead both teams in Points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks. Do it against a 73 win team. Impossible.

4 Olympians too: Barnes, Curry, Draymond, Klay

LeFound a way

[ScottieQuitting]

I totally agree

[kawhileonard2]

1991, 1993 and Kawhi in 2019.

[Round Mound]

This or 1992 vs Blazers

[2much_knowledge]

The Bulls beat the Suns in 6 games. Jordan averaged 41 points per game, 8.5 rebounds, and 6.4 assists and 2 steals. He shot 50% from the FG.

Charles Barkley averaged 27, 13, 5.5 in the series

:biggums:

Those averages are ridiculous. Might be the best!

Note: no suspensions needed

[2much_knowledge]

Fixed.


Jordan could never lead all players in all stats.

Its called triangle offense.... look it up

[3ba11]

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[nayte]

Definitely one of the best ever.
On a side note i thought Dumas was gonna take off and be a beast after that series.anyone else think that

[000]

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Holy shit, the physicality. How did he even get through that congested paint???

[coastalmarker99]

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My God the defences MJ was facing in the finals during his first three-peat was ****ing laughable.


Can you imagine just how unfair Lebron would be if he played in the 1990s


I don't know how most players in the 1990s could deal with LeBron hand-checking them

He’s already the most dominant athlete to ever step on a basketball court and he’s one of the strongest players ever.


If he was allowed to use hand-checking on defence plus play with a shorter three-point line good luck.

[CountDracula]

The War is over Prince(LBJ), you can rest now! Go with God Brother, go with God!

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[8Ball]

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Phoenix suns defense. Lol