Why are pro vaxxers ok with these mandates killing people?

[Bronbron23]

They cry all day about how antivaxers are killing people but they totally ignore how many people are dying or being hospitalized due to these mandates.

[n00bie]

They cry all day about how antivaxers are killing people but they totally ignore how many people are dying or being hospitalized due to these mandates.

What mandates are you talking about?

[Bronbron23]

What mandates are you talking about?

Mandates that prevent people from participating in society unless they get vaccinated? We're buying and giving tens of millions of vaccines to people who don't need them. Experts estimate that 30-50% of the population have had covid and natural immunity is as good or better than the vaccine so we're giving 60- 80 million people vaccines that don't need them when they could be going to people in other countries that are under supplied. All the wealthy countries are doing this. That's hundreds of millions of people going without a vaccine unnecessarily. This faulty practice is also adding to spread of the disease globally.

[tontoz]

Mandates that prevent people from participating in society unless they get vaccinated? We're buying and giving tens of millions of vaccines to people who don't need them. Experts estimate that 30-50% of the population have had covid and natural immunity is as good or better than the vaccine so we're giving 60- 80 million people vaccines that don't need them when they could be going to people in other countries that are under supplied. All the wealthy countries are doing this. That's hundreds of millions of people going without a vaccine unnecessarily. This faulty practice is also adding to spread of the disease globally.


This nonsense again? If you are willing to pay the $42.13 per person to test the entire population for antibodies then fine. Go for it.

Do you really think the goverment is going to pay $42 per person to test the entire population for antibodies? The pfizer vaccine costs the govt $20. If they test someone for antibodies and it turns out they need the shot then they would have to pay $62.13 for that person.

As for the other countries the US has already donated a lot and are currently donating more. Beggars can't be choosers.

[ZenMaster]

This nonsense again? If you are willing to pay the $42.13 per person to test the entire population for antibodies then fine. Go for it.

Do you really think the goverment is going to pay $42 per person to test the entire population for antibodies? The pfizer vaccine costs the govt $20. If they test someone for antibodies and it turns out they need the shot then they would have to pay $62.13 for that person.

As for the other countries the US has already donated a lot and are currently donating more. Beggars can't be choosers.

It's so crazy reading this lack of perspective, but nice job putting a price on peoples lives.

Maybe you could pay for the anti body testing yourself?
Or maybe the government could not agree with Pfizer to let them earn a 400-800% profit on each unit sold. Or how about not letting anyone profit off the antibodies testing except for the people actually doing it? Or are we not all in this together?

[tontoz]

It's so crazy reading this lack of perspective, but nice job putting a price on peoples lives.

Maybe you could pay for the anti body testing yourself?
Or maybe the government could not agree with Pfizer to let them earn a 400-800% profit on each unit sold. Or how about not letting anyone profit off the antibodies testing except for the people actually doing it? Or are we not all in this together?


So you think they are earning 400-800% on each dose? :oldlol:

Care to back that up with anything? Their earnings reports certainly aren't showing that.

An antibody test doesn't provide any protection at all and costs twice as much as a vaccine. Not hard to see why they are doing things the way they are. At some point when more data is in on natural immunity they may grant a waiver.

Let's not forget that Biden's mandate isn't exactly a mandate, it is a choice. You can choose to get vaccinated or you can choose to get a covid test once a week.

What a travesty, submitting to a weekly covid test. Straight out of Nazi Germany.

[Bronbron23]

This nonsense again? If you are willing to pay the $42.13 per person to test the entire population for antibodies then fine. Go for it.

Do you really think the goverment is going to pay $42 per person to test the entire population for antibodies? The pfizer vaccine costs the govt $20. If they test someone for antibodies and it turns out they need the shot then they would have to pay $62.13 for that person.

As for the other countries the US has already donated a lot and are currently donating more. Beggars can't be choosers.

Well first off u wouldn't have to test the entire population. Anyone who was already positive for covid would have the antibodies so that right there would be tens of millions of people that wouldn't need the test. I think about 42 million people have tested positive for covid in the us but a percentage of those would of been after the vaccine came out so let's say it's 30 million that were tested before the vaccines. So If we take your $20 cost of the vaccine and multiple by 30 million that's 600,000,000 million dollars that the government would of avoided spending so your clearly missing a huge negative in your cost scenario. Another part your missing is competition in the market place. A small number of antibody test are done per year so the demand to make the test isn't there. If the demand all of a sudden went fom thousands to billions more companies would be making them which would increase competition and prices would drop. Not sure what it would drop to so i won't bother putting a number on it but common sense says it would be fairly significant.

Even with all these factors i agree it would cost a bit more than what the vaccines cost but it wouldn't be anywhere near what your saying it would. Plus it would save hundreds of thousands of lives so i think the little bit extra would be worth it :confusedshrug:

[tontoz]

Well first off u wouldn't have to test the entire population. Anyone who was already positive for covid would have the antibodies so that right there would be tens of millions of people that wouldn't need the test. I think about 42 million people have tested positive for covid in the us but a percentage of those would of been after the vaccine came out so let's say it's 30 million that were tested before the vaccines. So If we take your $20 cost of the vaccine and multiple by 30 million that's 600,000,000 million dollars that the government would of avoided spending so your clearly missing a huge negative in your cost scenario. Another part your missing is competition in the market place. A small number of antibody test are done per year so the demand to make the test isn't there. If the demand all of a sudden went fom thousands to billions more companies would be making them which would increase competition and prices would drop. Not sure what it would drop to so i won't bother putting a number on it but common sense says it would be fairly significant.

Even with all these factors i agree it would cost a bit more than what the vaccines cost but it wouldn't be anywhere near what your saying it would. Plus it would save hundreds of thousands of lives so i think the little bit extra would be worth it :confusedshrug:

First of all you said yourself that many cases are asymptomatic or with mild symptoms so a lot of people might not know they had covid.

Secondly the price I quoted for the test was a Medicare price which is already heavily discounted. If you wanted to get tested right now it would probably cost closer to $70 and insurance may not cover it.

I would expect them at some point to grant waivers to people that recovered from COVID recently but I doubt they will pay for testing.

We are losing 2k people per day right now in the US because they are unvaxed. I can understand a govt prioritizing it's own citizens. We aren't the only country that developed vaccines. If countries are looking for handouts they have other options.

We have already committed to donate 1 billion doses.

[Bronbron23]

First of all you said yourself that many cases are asymptomatic or with mild symptoms so a lot of people might not know they had covid.

Secondly the price I quoted for the test was a Medicare price which is already heavily discounted. If you wanted to get tested right now it would probably cost closer to $70 and insurance may not cover it.

I would expect them at some point to grant waivers to people that recovered from COVID recently but I doubt they will pay for testing.

We are losing 2k people per day right now in the US because they are unvaxed. I can understand a govt prioritizing it's own citizens. We aren't the only country that developed vaccines. If countries are looking for handouts they have other options.

We have already committed to donate 1 billion doses.

Again the $70 cost would be offset by the 600,000,000 in savings plust price reduction due to competition. Plus they don't even have to test everyone. They could of done no antibody tests and just count the tens of millions that tested positive. That way they'd actually save $600,000,000 and the tens of millions of vaccines they bought they could of left for the poorer nations that were at the back of the line and couldn't get enough vaccines. This would save thousands of lives help curve the global spread and save $600,000,000. Sounds like a win win:confusedshrug:

[tontoz]

Again the $70 cost would be offset by the 600,000,000 in savings plust price reduction due to competition. Plus they don't even have to test everyone. They could of done no antibody tests and just count the tens of millions that tested positive. That way they'd actually save $600,000,000 and the tens of millions of vaccines they bought they could of left for the poorer nations that were at the back of the line and couldn't get enough vaccines. This would save thousands of lives help curve the global spread and save $600,000,000. Sounds like a win win:confusedshrug:



What I think will happen is that they will end up granting waivers to people who recovered from COVID within x number of months. The durability of natural immunity is unknown at this point.

That would be the most logical and cost effective option. They are looking at this.

[Bronbron23]

What I think will happen is that they will end up granting waivers to people who recovered from COVID within x number of months. The durability of natural immunity is unknown at this point.

That would be the most logical and cost effective option. They are looking at this.

Damn bruh u must be taking dr fauci's notes u sound just like him. He said the same thing when questioned on it the other day. Problem with that is they don't know the durability of the vaccine either and there have been large studies done in Isreal that show natural immunity lasts longer https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/study-covid-recovery-gave-israelis-longer-lasting-delta-defense-than-vaccines/amp/. The studies in isreal are the largest to date btw and they are more advanced in their understanding of covid than the us is.

Personally i and alot of people who use common sense instead of blind faith think they should of already done this. Science and common sense already told us natural immunity is more effective than the vaccines. Fauci, the cdc, government and media tools all came out from the jump saying the vaccine was better even though they had no idea and the very premise went again science and conventional wisdom. Now fauci is backtracking but at the same time to stubborn to admit what he said was dishonest, wrong and dangerous. This is an example of misinformation on the other side that's gonna prove to just as deadly if not more so than antivaxers. This is also an example of why so many "antivaxers" don't trust any of those people. Why u condemn antivaxers but ignore this is interesting.

[tontoz]

Damn bruh u must be taking dr fauci's notes u sound just like him. He said the same thing when questioned on it the other day. Problem with that is they don't know the durability of the vaccine either and there have been large studies done in Isreal that show natural immunity lasts longer https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/study-covid-recovery-gave-israelis-longer-lasting-delta-defense-than-vaccines/amp/. The studies in isreal are the largest to date btw and they are more advanced in their understanding of covid than the us is.

Personally i and alot of people who use common sense instead of blind faith think they should of already done this. Science and common sense already told us natural immunity is more effective than the vaccines. Fauci, the cdc, government and media tools all came out from the jump saying the vaccine was better even though they had no idea and the very premise went again science and conventional wisdom. Now fauci is backtracking but at the same time to stubborn to admit what he said was dishonest, wrong and dangerous. This is an example of misinformation on the other side that's gonna prove to just as deadly if not more so than antivaxers. This is also an example of why so many "antivaxers" don't trust any of those people. Why u condemn antivaxers but ignore this is interesting.


I don't ignore it.i just don't think it is as big of a deal as you. I agree that natural immunity is a real thing but that isn't our big problem right now.

I see 2k dropping dead daily in the US because they aren't vaxed. I see hospitals in low vax states getting crushed and rationing care. The "natural immunity" thing doesn't make a hill of beans difference in our hospitals right now.

[8Ball]

They cry all day about how antivaxers are killing people but they totally ignore how many people are dying or being hospitalized due to these mandates.

Seems like Anti vaxxers are crying a lot these days.

How many people are dying because of these mandates :roll:? 0?

[8Ball]

I don't ignore it.i just don't think it is as big of a deal as you. I agree that natural immunity is a real thing but that isn't our big problem right now.

I see 2k dropping dead daily in the US because they aren't vaxed. I see hospitals in low vax states getting crushed and rationing care. The "natural immunity" thing doesn't make a hill of beans difference in our hospitals right now.

But but but, Vaxxers are killing people with mandates!!

[Bronbron23]

I don't ignore it.i just don't think it is as big of a deal as you. I agree that natural immunity is a real thing but that isn't our big problem right now.

I see 2k dropping dead daily in the US because they aren't vaxed. I see hospitals in low vax states getting crushed and rationing care. The "natural immunity" thing doesn't make a hill of beans difference in our hospitals right now.

No your right there it isn't our biggest problem but as usual our greed and incompetence is causing alot of problems in other countries. Unlike you i value a non American or Canadian life as much as a life anywhere else. If the us can help them while saving 600,000,000 million at the same time i don't see the problem.

[Bronbron23]

Seems like Anti vaxxers are crying a lot these days.

How many people are dying because of these mandates :roll:? 0?

Classic 8Ball. Can't see the forest through the trees. Hundreds of Thousands of people are dying because of the mandates. Your just to dumb and or ignorant to see it.

[tontoz]

No your right there it isn't our biggest problem but as usual our greed and incompetence is causing alot of problems in other countries. Unlike you i value a non American or Canadian life as much as a life anywhere else. If the us can help them while saving 600,000,000 million at the same time i don't see the problem.


No we aren't causing the other countries covid problem. China caused the problem. Looks more and more like they engineered this virus.

Just because we aren't donating as fast as you would like doesn't mean we caused their covid problem. That is ridiculous.

We have certainly caused epic problems in other countries (Iraq war, Afghanistan war, drone strikes, unconditional support of Israel, etc) but this isn't one of them.

[Bronbron23]

But but but, Vaxxers are killing people with mandates!!

But but but they are dummy. In the us 40 million people had covid and 30-50% the rest of the 290 million people are estimated to have had covid. For argument sake lets take the lower number. 30% of 290 is 87 million. Thats basically 130 million people. So the government bought and gave or are trying to give 260 million(2 dosses x 130 m) doses to people who don't need it.

So more than 130 million people in other parts of the world who have low supply are missing out on vaccines that would of prevented more than 100,000 deaths and millions of hospitalizations globally. And that's just the us. Throw in everyone and we're talking millions of deaths and hospitalizations world wide.

But but but mandates aren't killing people. Your such an idiot dude:facepalm

[tontoz]

But but but they are dummy. In the us 40 million people had covid and 30-50% the rest of the 290 million people are estimated to have had covid. For argument sake lets take the lower number. 30% of 290 is 87 million. Thats basically 130 million people. So the government bought and gave or are trying to give 260 million(2 dosses x 130 m) doses to people who don't need it.

So more than 130 million people in other parts of the world who have low supply are missing out on vaccines that would of prevented more than 100,000 deaths and millions of hospitalizations globally. And that's just the us. Throw in everyone and we're talking millions of deaths and hospitalizations world wide.

But but but mandates aren't killing people. Your such an idiot dude:facepalm


Bidens mandate isn't a real mandate though. And you are assuming that all these recovered covid patients are automatically getting the vaccines. That is a reach for two reasons.

First of all a lot of people just don't want to get the.vaccine. secondly a lot of them are probably thinking the same thing you are, that they have natural immunity and don't need the vaccine.

[Bronbron23]

No we aren't causing the other countries covid problem. China caused the problem. Looks more and more like they engineered this virus.

Just because we aren't donating as fast as you would like doesn't mean we caused their covid problem. That is ridiculous.

We have certainly caused epic problems in other countries (Iraq war, Afghanistan war, drone strikes, unconditional support of Israel, etc) but this isn't one of them.

Dude pay attention. I never said us should of donated. They could done the opposite. All they had to do was not be greedy and incompetent and not buy millions of doses that they didn't need. Again this would of saved the us $600,000,000 and saved thousands of lives somewhere else.

[tontoz]

Dude pay attention. I never said us should of donated. They could done the opposite. All they had to do was not be greedy and incompetent and not buy 260 million doses that they didn't need. Again this would of saved the us $600,000,000 and saved thousands of lives somewhere else.

Do you really think all of these recovered covid patients are running out to get the.vaccines?

They probably expected a greater demand here than there currently is.

[Bronbron23]

Bidens mandate isn't a real mandate though. And you are assuming that all these recovered covid patients are automatically getting the vaccines. That is a reach for two reasons.

First of all a lot of people just don't want to get the.vaccine. secondly a lot of them are probably thinking the same thing you are, that they have natural immunity and don't need the vaccine.

My assumption is irrelevant because the us paid for vaccines for them anyway. It's not a reach at all. They paid for and took up vaccines that they didn't need that could of went to people in need. Whether people take them or not is irrelevant.

And no clearly alot of them aren't thinking that way because your assumption suggests that alot of the remaining non-vaxed have natural immunity. This clearly can't be true because covid cases are as high as ever and this is a pandemic of the unvaxed who alot of them according to you have natural antibodies. There's no way the covid numbers for the unvaxxed could be what they are if alot if them had antibodies.

[Bronbron23]

Do you really think all of these recovered covid patients are running out to get the.vaccines?

They probably expected a greater demand here than there currently is.

I partly explained this the other reply but yes i think they are because most of the population is listening to what they're telling us and they've been telling us the vaccines are superior to natural immunity. Either way it's irrelevant though because it dosn't matter if and when they get the vaccine the vaccine is already bought and now not available for someone who actually needs it.

[tontoz]

My assumption is irrelevant because the us paid for vaccines for them anyway. It's not a reach at all. They paid for and took up vaccines that they didn't need that could of went to people in need. Whether people take them or not is irrelevant.

And no clearly alot of them aren't thinking that way because your assumption suggests that alot of the remaining non-vaxed have natural immunity. This clearly can't be true because covid cases are as high as ever and this is a pandemic of the unvaxed who alot of them according to you have natural antibodies. There's no way the covid numbers for the unvaxxed could be what they are if alot if them had antibodies.


Roughly half of the country isn't vaxed so it stands to reason that at least half of of the recovered covid patients aren't vaxed. Probably more since a lot of them rightly figured they have natural immunity.

It just shows how bad it is to be without any antibodies at all and how dumb the antivax movement is.

I don't blame the government for expecting greater demand for the.vaccines. I would.guess.their target was around 70% and they wanted it done as quickly as possible.

We didn't cause other countries covid problems. China did.

[Bronbron23]

Roughly half of the country isn't vaxed so it stands to reason that at least half of of the recovered covid patients aren't vaxed. Probably more since a lot of them rightly figured they have natural immunity.

It just shows how bad it is to be without any antibodies at all and how dumb the antivax movement is.

I don't blame the government for expecting greater demand for the.vaccines. I would.guess.their target was around 70% and they wanted it done as quickly as possible.

We didn't cause other countries covid problems. China did.

I agree the antivax movement is dumb but the problem i have is that term is being used for everyone who dosn't want this vaccine and that's not the case

[tontoz]

I agree the antivax movement is dumb but the problem i have is that term is being used for everyone who dosn't want this vaccine and that's not the case


You've seen the conspiracy crew on here.

At this point the only people that have a legit.reason not to get the vaccine are people under 30 and people who recovered from covid.

Even the people under 30 are putting themselves at risk. Seen a few stories of people near 30 dying.

[Bronbron23]

Roughly half of the country isn't vaxed so it stands to reason that at least half of of the recovered covid patients aren't vaxed. Probably more since a lot of them rightly figured they have natural immunity.

It just shows how bad it is to be without any antibodies at all and how dumb the antivax movement is.

I don't blame the government for expecting greater demand for the.vaccines. I would.guess.their target was around 70% and they wanted it done as quickly as possible.

We didn't cause other countries covid problems. China did.

And you should blame them. They bought enough doses for everyone and then some when they already knew their was over 30 million people that had covid. They bought these vaccines when they new a large portion of young adults and children didn't need it. They also knew at least 30% of the population had covid and therefore were immune.

At the very least If they were less incompetent or evil depending on how you view it they would have exempted the covid patients which would have freed up 60 plus million doses which again would of saved lives and money.

[tontoz]

And you should blame them. They bought enough doses for everyone and then some when they already knew their was over 30 million people that had covid. They bought these vaccines when they new a large portion of young adults and children didn't need it. They also knew at least 30% of the population had covid and therefore were immune.

At the very least If they were less incompetent or evil depending on how you view it they would have exempted the covid patients which would have freed up 60 plus million doses which again would of saved lives and money.


Exempted? What do you mean by that? Biden literally just announced his mandate this month which isn't even a real mandate.

There were no widespread mandates when.most people were getting their vaccines from Jan-July.

Prior to bidens announcement the only mandates were from employers and maybe a handful.of states ( if any other than NY).

[Bronbron23]

You've seen the conspiracy crew on here.

At this point the only people that have a legit.reason not to get the vaccine are people under 30 and people who recovered from covid.

Even the people under 30 are putting themselves at risk. Seen a few stories of people near 30 dying.

I agree somewhat. I'd say the only people that have a great reason not to get vaccinated is children, young adults and covid patients. I'd say people worrying about vaccine complications have a low/medium reason to not want the vaccine. It is a new vaccine and virus that we're learning and things change everyday with this thing.

Also there is concern from some experts about vaccine complications being under reported significantly. I don't like to get into that because it's to unknown and i like using facts and or common sense and this isn't either but if we can agree government, media and big pharma have lied and have huge influence it shouldn't be an as crazy of a worry as people like you make it sound. It's kind of funny really. It be like if there was a guy who lied, stole, killed and used his power to influence others and i told you that you should trust him. You'd look at my like i was crazy. This is basically what people like you are doing. Calling people nuts because they don't trust a government that kills, lies, steals, and abuses its power and influence. Because they don't trust the media that lies continually and because they don't trust big pharma who can be corrupt and greedy.

Again i don't like using these arguments because i like stuff i can prove with numbers but at the same time i don't think those reasons make their hesitancy nuts.

[Bronbron23]

Exempted? What do you mean by that? Biden literally just announced his mandate this month which isn't even a real mandate.

There were no widespread mandates when.most people were getting their vaccines from Jan-July.

Prior to bidens announcement the only mandates were from employers and maybe a handful.of states ( if any other than NY).

What i meant was when buying the vaccine they should of accounted for those who already had covid. This was either a lack of foresight or done with evil intentions but either way it costed lives and money.

[tontoz]

I agree somewhat. I'd say the only people that have a great reason not to get vaccinated is children, young adults and covid patients. I'd say people worrying about vaccine complications have a low/medium reason to not want the vaccine. It is a new vaccine and virus that we're learning and things change everyday with this thing.

Also there is concern from some experts about vaccine complications being under reported significantly. I don't like to get into that because it's to unknown and i like using facts and or common sense and this isn't either but if we can agree government, media and big pharma have lied and have huge influence it shouldn't be an as crazy of a worry as people like you make it sound. It's kind of funny really. It be like if there was a guy who lied, stole, killed and used his power to influence others and i told you that you should trust him. You'd look at my like i was crazy. This is basically what people like you are doing. Calling people nuts because they don't trust a government that kills, lies, steals, and abuses its power and influence. Because they don't trust the media that lies continually and because they don't trust big pharma who can be corrupt and greedy.

Again i don't like using these arguments because i like stuff i can prove with numbers but at the same time i don't think those reasons make their hesitancy nuts.


The federal government isn't where I am getting.my info on the effectiveness of the vaccines or the hospitalizations and deaths of the unvaxed.

State governments aren't starting wars or ordering drone strikes. Neither are hospitals or the CDC. You can't lump everyone in to the federal government or the.media.

The data is overwhelming about what is going on.

At this point you can't really blame mandates for much of anything. They are recent for the most part and in many cases not even in effect.yet.

[Bronbron23]

The federal government isn't where I am getting.my info on the effectiveness of the vaccines or the hospitalizations and deaths of the unvaxed.

State governments aren't starting wars or ordering drone strikes. Neither are hospitals or the CDC. You can't lump everyone in to the federal government or the.media.

The data is overwhelming about what is going on.

At this point you can't really blame mandates for much of anything. They are recent for the most part and in many cases not even in effect.yet.

You can definitely blame the mandates. I should you why and frankly it's not arguable just easily ignored.

[tontoz]

You can definitely blame the mandates. I should you why and frankly it's not arguable just easily ignored.


What specifically have the government mandates done?

Bidens mandate won't even be in effect until November and isn't a real mandate anyway.

[ZenMaster]

So you think they are earning 400-800% on each dose? :oldlol:

Care to back that up with anything? Their earnings reports certainly aren't showing that.

An antibody test doesn't provide any protection at all and costs twice as much as a vaccine. Not hard to see why they are doing things the way they are. At some point when more data is in on natural immunity they may grant a waiver.

Let's not forget that Biden's mandate isn't exactly a mandate, it is a choice. You can choose to get vaccinated or you can choose to get a covid test once a week.

What a travesty, submitting to a weekly covid test. Straight out of Nazi Germany.

The number I found said a vaccine costs $2.38 to produce, if they charge $20, I figured it would be in that range depending on shipping costs to different places vs where it's produced.

Feel free to find the real number, it won't help your argument as it's clear they're making more money than ever before.

Point is that the dynamic around the vaccines is out of whack. If it's as bad as they say, Pfizer would have an interest in getting it out to as many people as possible worldwide as fast as possible, or else they won't have any old people to sell medication to..

Also, they way they're doing it is literally leading to a lot of people not wanting to take it due to lack of transparency.

[tontoz]

The number I found said a vaccine costs $2.38 to produce, if they charge $20, I figured it would be in that range depending on shipping costs to different places vs where it's produced.

Feel free to find the real number, it won't help your argument as it's clear they're making more money than ever before.

Point is that the dynamic around the vaccines is out of whack. If it's as bad as they say, Pfizer would have an interest in getting it out to as many people as possible worldwide as fast as possible, or else they won't have any old people to sell medication to..

Also, they way they're doing it is literally leading to a lot of people not wanting to take it due to lack of transparency.


:roll:

First of all the costs of a drug don't just include production. There is also R&D, testing, storage, distribution etc.

Manny already unwittingly posted the fallacy about these allegedly huge profits they are making. Pfizer already reported they expect vaccine revenue to be about $33 billion per year.

Let's assume that the total cost of the drug is $4. That leaves $16 profit per dose, over $26 billion net income for the year from the vaccine alone.

Back in 2019 Pfizer reported net income for the year of $16 billion. With these huge alleged vaccine profits their income for this year should be close to $40 billion.

Over the first 6 months they reported 10.5 billion net income so they are on track to increase their income by roughly 30% over 2019, not quite the windfall you were expecting.

That falls in line with their reported profit margin of 30% per dose. This is not complex math.

[tontoz]

Correction. That $33 billion revenue number is just for this year.

[j3lademaster]

:roll:

First of all the costs of a drug don't just include production. There is also R&D, testing, storage, distribution etc.

Manny already unwittingly posted the fallacy about these allegedly huge profits they are making. Pfizer already reported they expect vaccine revenue to be about $33 billion per year.

Let's assume that the total cost of the drug is $4. That leaves $16 profit per dose, over $26 billion net income for the year from the vaccine alone.

Back in 2019 Pfizer reported net income for the year of $16 billion. With these huge alleged vaccine profits their income for this year should be close to $40 billion.

Over the first 6 months they reported 10.5 billion net income so they are on track to increase their income by roughly 30% over 2019, not quite the windfall you were expecting.

That falls in line with their reported profit margin of 30% per dose. This is not complex math.Need to put this into context that most multibillion dollar corps are booming. Musk has raised his net worth from 26bil in the beginning of 2020 to almost 200bil now. Rhianna is a billionaire now. So yeah Pfizer's increase in profits aren't shit in comparison.

[ZenMaster]

:roll:

First of all the costs of a drug don't just include production. There is also R&D, testing, storage, distribution etc.

Manny already unwittingly posted the fallacy about these allegedly huge profits they are making. Pfizer already reported they expect vaccine revenue to be about $33 billion per year.

Let's assume that the total cost of the drug is $4. That leaves $16 profit per dose, over $26 billion net income for the year from the vaccine alone.

Back in 2019 Pfizer reported net income for the year of $16 billion. With these huge alleged vaccine profits their income for this year should be close to $40 billion.

Over the first 6 months they reported 10.5 billion net income so they are on track to increase their income by roughly 30% over 2019, not quite the windfall you were expecting.

That falls in line with their reported profit margin of 30% per dose. This is not complex math.

Fair enough.


“Moderna’s profiting from the vaccine is outrageous,” says SOMO Researcher Vincent Kiezebrink. “As a society, we pay three times: we fund vaccine development research; we pay inflated prices to purchase those vaccines; and then Moderna uses tax structures to avoid corporate taxes.”

I don't know this source, but I'm using it as it projects an actual profit number for Moderna and not just revenue.


A total of 1.5 billion doses of the Moderna vaccine have been ordered for 2021 and 2022, with 460 million doses for the EU and 500 million for the US. This will cost the European Union $10.3 billion and de United States $7.5 billion. It is estimated that the company will generate some $18.4 billion in revenue from coronavirus vaccine sales in 2021 alone.

SOMO calculates that Moderna’s profit margin is 44 per cent per dose, generating some $8 billion in profits for 2021. Despite this high margin, the company has indicated that it expects to raise vaccine prices after the pandemic ends.

[Off the Court]

Here is some very simple math for you. If Moderna profits 8 billion on 1.5 billion doses, it means they could have cut the price in half and still profited 4 billion. Had they only charged a quarter of the current price, they would profit 2 billion - that's 2000 million dollars. You can calculate down yourself from there.
If they cut the price in half they probably take a loss. So much for simple math.

[diamenz]

Need to put this into context that most multibillion dollar corps are booming. Musk has raised his net worth from 26bil in the beginning of 2020 to almost 200bil now. Rhianna is a billionaire now. So yeah Pfizer's increase in profits aren't shit in comparison.

billionaires have gotten more than 50% richer during the pandemic while the working class have gotten poorer and lost their jobs. but where's all of the uproar and outrage over this wealth redistribution?

https://ips-dc.org/u-s-billionaires-62-percent-richer-during-pandemic/

[j3lademaster]

billionaires have gotten more than 50% richer during the pandemic while the working class have gotten poorer and lost their jobs. but where's all of the uproar and outrage over this wealth redistribution?

https://ips-dc.org/u-s-billionaires-62-percent-richer-during-pandemic/we're too busy fighting over red vs blue. We need to realize it's a smokescreen the wealthy created to direct our attention elsewhere. We need to realize the billionaires are the true leeches on society, they don't bring any value. And IF we tax Amazon too much and they leave, so what? Amazon is Amazon because of the US market; not because of Jeff Bezos. If they're stupid enough to leave the American market someone else will take their place.

[ZenMaster]

If they cut the price in half they probably take a loss. So much for simple math.

lol yeah excuse me :banghead:

But they could still lower the price by about $4 per unit if costs are around the same as Pfizer and make a killing.

They have the worlds hottest physical product, for which they received funding to develop and have minimal storage costs as it's shipped right away.

[tontoz]

Moderna is only charging the US govt $15 per dose compared to $20 for Pfizer. Moderna is a different because this is the first drug they brought to market. Our government made a big investment in them which is why they are charging us less.




In exchange for assuming the risk of developing the vaccine, Pfizer charged the government more for each dose in its initial contract, about $19.50, compared with $15 a dose charged by Moderna.

Moderna’s vaccine also has had a far bigger impact on the biotech than Pfizer’s vaccine has had on the pharmaceutical giant. Moderna, an 11-year-old company, had never gotten a product to market before the FDA cleared the vaccine. I


https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/04/29/nation/us-government-has-now-given-moderna-6b-vaccine-effort/

So obviously this is a windfall for moderna, and their stockholders.

[SATAN]

Disappointing.

Might have to change the name to KyrieKyrie11, OP. :facepalm

[SATAN]

Grow up.