Is Stephen Curry the most overrated player in NBA history?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He went 0\5 on finals MVPS

He has no all defensive teams, so you would figure he at least has a great scoring resume? The guy has never even averaged 29PPG in the playoffs.

[SouBeachTalents]

Nah, Kawhi for sure

[MadDog]

Averaging 29 or 30 points is irrelevant. Curry should have won FMVP in 2015, and was clearly the Warriors best offensive player. When's the last time the best offensive player on a winning team didn't win it? To be fair though, casuals who let the media tell them how to think wouldn't know better.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Nah, Kawhi for sure

kawhi eliminated curry in 2013, 2019.

also has double the finals MVPS despite playing in 3 less finals.

7 more all defensive teams and will end up with like 15 more defensive teams when his career is finished.

Meanwhile, this overrated piece of shit gets to be a MVP finalist when he can't even lead his team to the playoffs.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Averaging 29 or 30 points is irrelevant. Curry should have won FMVP in 2015, and was clearly the Warriors best offensive player. When's the last time the best offensive player on a winning team didn't win it? Casuals that let the media tell them how to think wouldn't know better though.

Just shows he's not a great volume scorer. He has never even had to average 30PPG for his team to win a title. Kawhi couldn't have averaged any less then 30PPG for his team to get out of the 2nd round in 2019.

You had 5 finals to win MVPS and failed every time, loser.

[tontoz]

Where's Kawit?

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/g195/tontoz/Screenshot_20210521-092012.jpg

[MadDog]

Just shows he's not a great volume scorer. He has never even had to average 30PPG for his team to win a title. Kawhi couldn't have averaged any less then 30PPG for his team to get out of the 2nd round in 2019.

You had 5 finals to win MVPS and failed every time, loser.

Doesn't show that at all. Averaging 29 & 30 points is a dumb talking point. Its arbitrary. Curry's efficiency is around 60% TS, and he helped build one of the greatest offenses ever. Just because voters botched 2015 doesn't mean Curry wasn't great. Learn the game.

[Kobe_Bryant]

i had curry in my top 20 all time. hes around where wade is like 18-20

him being voted 12th all time ahead of Moses/Dr J/West/Oscar is sacrilege

he was outperformed by iguodala in 2015, Green in 2016, Durant in 2017 and 2018 and then by klay in 2019


only 2 of those are even fathomable.


dropping me from 5th ( the world and player vote ) to 11th all time and raising curry from 18th to 12th is just straight comedy

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Where's Kawit?

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/g195/tontoz/Screenshot_20210521-092012.jpg

where was the playoffs?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Doesn't show that at all. Averaging 29 & 30 points is a dumb talking point. Its arbitrary. Curry's efficiency is around 60% TS, and he helped build one of the greatest offenses ever. Just because voters botched 2015 doesn't mean Curry wasn't great. Learn the game.

If Kawhi averaged any less then 30PPG in 2019, his team doesn't win the championship. He literally got past 76ers by a game winning buzzer beater.

Curry has never had to be a 30PPG volume scorer for his team and he's also usually the 5th or 6th best defender = overrated

[tontoz]

where was the playoffs?


Kawit did his disappearing act in the regular season and in the playoffs. Equal opportunity kawitter.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawit did his disappearing act in the regular season and in the playoffs. Equal opportunity kawitter.

Kawhi has 2 more finals MVPs then curry and 2 more defensive player of the year awards =

Kawhi being 4x the player

[Stephonit]

Kawhi has 2 more finals MVPs then curry and 2 more defensive player of the year awards =

Kawhi being 4x the player

Kawhi is a great player.

I'd still rather have Curry on my team everyday and twice on Sundays.

[Phoenix]

OP has singlehandedly made Kawhit the most overrated player ever just over the past year. Good job :applause:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi is a great player.

I'd still rather have Curry on my team everyday and twice on Sundays.

all nba and all defense total sections:

curry: 7

kawhi: 12

Kawhi has equal all defense selections as Curry does all nba selections.

Better playoff run: kawhi in 2019. Pretty obvious, curry was never a dominant 30PPG scorer and never won a finals MVP.

Kawhi is tiers and tiers better player. Curry is more of a regular season performer like Harden.

[SouBeachTalents]

all nba and all defense total sections:

curry: 7

kawhi: 12

Kawhi has more all defense selections then Curry does all nba selections.

Better playoff run: kawhi in 2019. Pretty obvious, curry was never a dominant 30PPG scorer and never won a finals MVP.

Kawhi is tiers and tiers better player. Curry is more of a regular season performer like Harden.
He's tiers and tiers better than any player tbh

[HBK_Kliq_2]

OP has singlehandedly made Kawhit the most overrated player ever just over the past year. Good job :applause:

4 out of 5 straight on luka

3-0 in dallas

:applause: :applause: :pimp:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He's tiers and tiers better than any player tbh

now you're finally using that noggin, only jordan comes close

[SouBeachTalents]

now you're finally using that noggin, only jordan comes close
Not even Jordan scored 732 points on 62%TS

[Phoenix]

4 out of 5 straight on luka

3-0 in dallas

:applause: :applause: :pimp:

0-1 against a 7'1 Windhorst.

Bragging about beating a 3rd year player with a worse team. I'm not impressed.:durantunimpressed:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

0-1 against a 7'1 Windhorst.

Bragging about beating a 3rd year player with a worse team. I'm not impressed.:durantunimpressed:

Beat giannis in 2019
Beat embiid in 2019
Beat curry in 2019
Beat harden in 2017
Beat LeBron and Durant in 2014

Every time kawhi was either leading in points or minutes or GmSc

So you don't have to just look at the trashing of luka, there's plenty for you to choose from.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Not even Jordan scored 732 points on 62%TS

732 points on 62% TS while shutting down Jimmy butler and shutting down giannis and leading the starting lineup in blocks during the finals

Kawhi has 10x better defense then curry but better offense too as he's way harder to guard due to his size and strength and length.

[Phoenix]

Beat giannis in 2019 Had a better team
Beat embiid in 2019 Not a noteworthy achievement
Beat curry in 2019 only because KD/Klay got injured
Beat harden in 2017 Based on his overall playoff career, meh
Beat LeBron and Durant in 2014 Role player on championship level team

Every time kawhi was either leading in points or minutes or GmSc

So you don't have to just look at the trashing of luka, there's plenty for you to choose from.

That was easy. :durantunimpressed:

[Stephonit]

all nba and all defense total sections:

curry: 7

kawhi: 12

Kawhi has equal all defense selections as Curry does all nba selections.

Better playoff run: kawhi in 2019. Pretty obvious, curry was never a dominant 30PPG scorer and never won a finals MVP.

Kawhi is tiers and tiers better player. Curry is more of a regular season performer like Harden.

If we are going to value All-NBA selections just remember Curry eliminated the rest of the All-NBA First Team which—even if that was the only fact of note regarding that run which it isn't—makes his 2015 run better than Kawhi's.

Given a minimum number of games played in the finals, according to Basketball Reference: Curry is 10th all-time in average PPG in the finals with 26.46. Kawhi? 32nd with 20.11 PPG.

Of course you'd skip the regular season. Kawhi doesn't play regular seasons, he needs to save himself for the playoffs because he doesn't have the durability to play entire seasons. That Curry has the advantage there is kind of gobsmacking.

Then again even players who are durable still somehow couldn't match Curry's +/- in a year he was missing one third of the season. Kawhi's résumé is kinda lacking when it comes to such measures of individual brilliance.

The premise of this thread is basically records overrate Curry. We should believe participation awards instead. There are enough lemmings in the world to believe such twaddle.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

If we are going to value All-NBA selections just remember Curry eliminated the rest of the All-NBA First Team which—even if that was the only fact of note regarding that run which it isn't—makes his 2015 run better than Kawhi's.

Given a minimum number of games played in the finals, according to Basketball Reference: Curry is 10th all-time in average PPG in the finals with 26.46. Kawhi? 32nd with 20.11 PPG.

Of course you'd skip the regular season. Kawhi doesn't play regular seasons, he needs to save himself for the playoffs because he doesn't have the durability to play entire seasons. That Curry has the advantage there is kind of gobsmacking.

Then again even players who are durable still somehow couldn't match Curry's +/- in a year he was missing one third of the season. Kawhi's résumé is kinda lacking when it comes to such measures of individual brilliance.

The premise of this thread is basically records overrate Curry. We should believe participation awards instead. There are enough lemmings in the world to believe such twaddle.

Chris Paul missed a game and had an injured hamstring in 2015, you also didn't play kawhi in the west playoffs. So that run wasn't as great as kawhi 2019, no way. Kawhi eliminated Giannis\Curry who have 4 rings and also embiid.

As far as PPG in playoffs, kawhi has averaged 30PPG in two different playoff seasons and curry has never done it once.

Regular season kawhi's 2016 spurs had a better net rating then curry's 2016 warriors.

So Kawhi has curry covered in regular season, playoffs, more all nba\defense total selections, more finals mvps, eliminated curry two different times. Not sure what else you want there.

[Stephonit]

Chris Paul missed a game and had an injured hamstring in 2015, you also didn't play kawhi in the west playoffs. So that run wasn't as great as kawhi 2019, no way. Kawhi eliminated Giannis\Curry who have 4 rings and also embiid.

As far as PPG in playoffs, kawhi has averaged 30PPG in two different playoff seasons and curry has never done it once.

Regular season kawhi's 2016 spurs had a better net rating then curry's 2016 warriors.

So Kawhi has curry covered in regular season, playoffs, more all nba\defense total selections, more finals mvps, eliminated curry two different times. Not sure what else you want there.

Neither Chris Paul nor Kawhi were All-NBA First Team that year. Neither were they on the higher seeded teams. The higher seeded team eliminated the winner between them and Curry eliminated that team. Kawhi couldn't even sweep a series in 2019.

Curry doesn't need to score 30 PPG to win. He's a far better playmaker than Kawhi.

In a match-up billed as the greatest regular season match-up of all-time due to their respective records the Warriors spanked the Spurs in a 30-point rout.

Maybe Kawhi can try leading a bottom of the barrel team or franchise somewhere instead of teams that were already in the playoffs before he joined.

[Taurus]

Has Kawhi actually accomplished anything on the Clippers besides beating Luka in the first round? Even then there's a strong argument to be made that Luka has outplayed him in the two series.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Neither Chris Paul nor Kawhi were All-NBA First Team that year. Neither were they on the higher seeded teams. The higher seeded team eliminated the winner between them and Curry eliminated that team. Kawhi couldn't even sweep a series in 2019.

Curry doesn't need to score 30 PPG to win. He's a far better playmaker than Kawhi.

In a match-up billed as the greatest regular season match-up of all-time due to their respective records the Warriors spanked the Spurs in a 30-point rout.

Maybe Kawhi can try leading a bottom of the barrel team or franchise somewhere instead of teams that were already in the playoffs before he joined.

Curry isn't the lead playmaker of the warriors, draymond always was. Curry doesn't need to score 30PPG because he's privileged with 3 hall of fame teammates on his team (iggy, klay, dray).

Kawhi eliminated Giannis\Curry who are better then Lebron\Harden due to the massive gap between Harden\Giannis.

2016 spurs had a better net rating then the 2016 warriors

2019 raptors eliminated curry's warriors

2 finals mvps > 0 finals mvps

7 all defensive > 0 all defense

again, not sure what else evidence you're looking for here.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Has Kawhi actually accomplished anything on the Clippers besides beating Luka in the first round? Even then there's a strong argument to be made that Luka has outplayed him in the two series.

He was already the goat before he stepped foot in a clippers jersey:


Beat giannis in 2019
Beat embiid in 2019
Beat curry in 2019
Beat harden in 2017
Beat LeBron and Durant in 2014

Every time kawhi was either leading in points or minutes or GmSc

[HBK_Kliq_2]

No.

The ability to draw an entire team into guarding you makes you one of the most dangerous players of all time.

the ability to average 30PPG in the playoffs or win a finals MVP would of been nice.

[warriorfan]

Op was molested as a child.

[000]

Op was molested as a child.
+1

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Op was molested as a child.

Stephen curry was molested by finals mvp voters in five consecutive finals hahahahah

[Axe]

No iconic moments in the playoffs and zero finals mvps after five trips to the nba finals are surely pre-requisites for orange nickelodeon blimps.

[Axe]

Stephen curry was molested by finals mvp voters in five consecutive finals hahahahah
Welfarefan was high on crack when he made a thread claiming stephen curry would get his first finals mvp in 2015 after the warriors won their first ring in 40 years. In the end tho, that thread was closed. :(

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Welfarefan was high on crack when he made a thread claiming stephen curry would get his first finals mvp in 2015 after the warriors won their first ring in 40 years. In the end tho, that thread was closed. :(

2x finals loser

3x finals mvp voters molestation victim


:facepalm poor curry

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Besides 3ball, OP is the only ISH poster who reminds me of a savage.

Untamed and completely wild.

Probably made this thread, while eating his alligator cold cuts and racoon eyeball tacos.

[Sulico]

All you need to know is:

Kawhi drafted to 61 win team, changed teams twice, one time as a free agent for nothing, 3 finals 2 chips.

Curry drafted to 29 win team, never left, 5 finals 3 chips.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

All you need to know is:

Kawhi drafted to 61 win team, changed teams twice, one time as a free agent for nothing, 3 finals 2 chips.

Curry drafted to 29 win team, never left, 5 finals 3 chips.

All you need to know:

Kawhi has had elite regular seasons with multiple different supporting casts, won titles with multiple supporting casts.

Curry never won anything without draymond and klay, missed the playoffs back to back years without klay

[Axe]

All you need to know is:

Kawhi drafted to 61 win team, changed teams twice, one time as a free agent for nothing, 3 finals 2 chips.

Curry drafted to 29 win team, never left, 5 finals 3 chips.
Wrong. Kawhit wasn't drafted by a 61-win team but rather he was sent there in exchange for some other players the same night another team picked him.

[Sulico]

All you need to know:

Kawhi has had elite regular seasons with multiple different supporting casts, won titles with multiple supporting casts.

Curry never won anything without draymond and klay, missed the playoffs back to back years without klay

Never won anything without Draymond and Klay? What is that supposed to mean? Is that new version of "No Pip, no chip?"

[RRR3]

Besides 3ball, OP is the only ISH poster who reminds me of a savage.

Untamed and completely wild.

Probably made this thread, while eating his alligator cold cuts and racoon eyeball tacos.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbBrYfmYZmE

For all purposes the Warriors you see in this video, once KD went down and Klay got injured, is a version of last seasons team that didnt make the playoffs. Soooo...yes. A Raptors squad that was at worst a 2nd round playoff team WITHOUT Kawhi, is going to win. Hey shit happens and you can only play who's in front of you, but lets not act like this was the 2017 or 18 Warriors in the 2019 finals.

[j3lademaster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbBrYfmYZmE

For all purposes the Warriors you see in this video, once KD went down and Klay got injured, is a version of last seasons team that didnt make the playoffs. Soooo...yes. A Raptors squad that was at worst a 2nd round playoff team WITHOUT Kawhi, is going to win. Hey shit happens and you can only play who's in front of you, but lets not act like this was the 2017 or 18 Warriors in the 2019 finals.good video. The rest of the Warrior squad were barely treated like nba players. Draymond not willing to shoot despite having 10-15 ft of space is egregious since he’s always standing on the perimeter. People used to say Ben Wallace was an offensive liability but at least that guy gets putbacks and tips rebounds out to teammates.

[Phoenix]

Op was molested as a child.

And as an adult, every time he logs onto ISH.

[Phoenix]

good video. The rest of the Warrior squad were barely treated like nba players. Draymond not willing to shoot despite having 10-15 ft of space is egregious since he’s always standing on the perimeter. People used to say Ben Wallace was an offensive liability but at least that guy gets putbacks and tips rebounds out to teammates.

We saw Draymond 2 seasons ago without Steph. 8/6/6 on 49% TS. Remember 5 years ago when a few people were comparing him to Barkley:oldlol:?

[j3lademaster]

We saw Draymond 2 seasons ago without Steph. 8/6/6 on 49% TS. Remember 5 years ago when a few people were comparing him to Barkley:oldlol:?no, I don’t. But if I had to guess who did that I would guess 3ball? So he can discredit Lebron’s 2016 with “Barkley’s” suspension? But then he’d be discrediting Jordan’s 93 ring? this agenda-baiting is harder than it looks.

[Phoenix]

no, I don’t. But if I had to guess who did that I would guess 3ball? So he can discredit Lebron’s 2016 with “Barkley’s” suspension? But then he’d be discrediting Jordan’s 93 ring? this agenda-baiting is harder than it looks.

Don't recall who, only that it popped up a few times. I don't remember the context behind it, but absolutely laughable.