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3ba11
09-27-2021, 01:04 PM
According to Iggy, Kobe promised him 50 and then gave it to him:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BAHpkkjDzwI&t=15s


So Kobe would've been attracting double-teams to free up teammates in the 15' Finals, while Lebron's jumper almost never pops off, so Kerr could stay at home on Lebron and shut everyone down.

GrayGoat
09-27-2021, 01:06 PM
Kobe never tried to meet LeBron in the finals. Avoided him at all cost

3ba11
09-27-2021, 01:08 PM
Kobe never tried to meet LeBron in the finals. Avoided him at all cost


Lebron's Cavs missed the 09' and 10' Finals as the league favorite, so Lebron avoided Kobe... That's why Lebron formed super-teams - it was because he couldn't win the weak East without one in 09' and 10'... If he beats Dwight as expected in 09', Lebron never forms super-teams.. Unfortunately, Lebron can't win with high scoring because it's too ball-dominant (09' ECF) or too inefficient at high volume (15' Finals)

TheCorporation
09-27-2021, 01:09 PM
Ah yes, the 36/13/9 on 40% "lock up" :lol

Want to know what's true? 6'2 Payton bullied Jordan to 27-5-4 on 41% :lol

Klay and Dray hold MJ to what? A pedestrian 23 on 35%

3ba11
09-27-2021, 01:14 PM
Ah yes, the 36/13/9 on 40% "lock up" :lol

Want to know what's true? 6'2 Payton bullied Jordan to 27-5-4 on 41% :lol

Klay and Dray hold MJ to what? A pedestrian 23 on 35%


Lebron is the only 1st option in history that shot 35% in a playoff series and only Lebron lost series because he shot poorly:


2007 Finals... 35%
2008 ECSF.... 35%
2015 Finals... 39%


Jordan never lost series from shooting poorly - only Lebron did... :dancin:

Btw, Kobe's 32 on 50% swept the 08' Spurs

SouBeachTalents
09-27-2021, 02:57 PM
Kobe shot under 50% in 32 of his 37 career Finals games

GrayGoat
09-27-2021, 03:04 PM
Kobe shot under 50% in 32 of his 37 career Finals games

That one hurts.

RRR3
09-27-2021, 03:10 PM
Kobe was embarrassed by Tayshaun Prince while LeBron hung 48 on him.

k0kakw0rld
09-27-2021, 03:11 PM
According to Iggy, Kobe promised him 50 and then gave it to him:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BAHpkkjDzwI&t=15s


So Kobe would've been attracting double-teams to free up teammates in the 15' Finals, while Lebron's jumper almost never pops off, so Kerr could stay at home on Lebron and shut everyone down.
PLEASE TELL US SOMETHING WE DON'T ALREADY KNOW. KOBE IS THE BETTER ONE-ON-ONE PLAYER. HE HAS THE OFFENSIVE ARSENAL LEBRON DOESN'T.

Now, since basketball is not a one-on-one game, the "LeBron is better than Kobe as a basketball player" argument still applies here.

ShawkFactory
09-27-2021, 03:17 PM
According to Iggy, Kobe promised him 50 and then gave it to him:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BAHpkkjDzwI&t=15s


So Kobe would've been attracting double-teams to free up teammates in the 15' Finals, while Lebron's jumper almost never pops off, so Kerr could stay at home on Lebron and shut everyone down.

And still would have shot.

That’s a weakness of his. Everyone knows it. I’m not sure if it’s him being a narcissist and needing the glory or being a control freak who lacks trust. Either way...it happened.

RRR3
09-27-2021, 03:17 PM
And still would have shot
:roll:

Kobetards still don’t get this is why he was doubled so much lmao. Obviously he was a great scorer tho

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
09-27-2021, 03:18 PM
You're comparing the regular-season to the finals. :lol

Kobe, not Jordan, was never particularly great on that stage.

RRR3
09-27-2021, 03:22 PM
You're comparing the regular-season to the finals. :lol

Kobe, not Jordan, was never particularly great on that stage.
He legit had one great finals and it was against the Nets with prime Shaq as first option. Every other finals he tossed up bricks and got bailed out by teammates. I’m glad Snivelly is finally ready to try and argue Kobe vs. LeBron should be fun :lol

Axe
09-27-2021, 05:00 PM
Kobe only averaged around 15 ppg in the 2000 finals yet op never seems to have any problems about this whatsoever.

SouBeachTalents
09-27-2021, 05:01 PM
Kobe only averaged around 15 ppg in the 2000 finals yet op never seems to have any problems about this whatsoever.
OP has issues when LeBron "only" outscores his 2nd option by 3-6 points in the Finals, but doesn't care that Kobe got outscored by 10-20 ppg in 3 of his by Shaq :lol

DoctorP
09-27-2021, 05:09 PM
Kobe shot under 50% in 32 of his 37 career Finals games

Kobe's efficiency was not GOAT caliber.

SaintzFury13
09-27-2021, 06:35 PM
Imagine thinking that Iggy locked up LeBron.

Cold soul
09-27-2021, 07:02 PM
He legit had one great finals and it was against the Nets with prime Shaq as first option. Every other finals he tossed up bricks and got bailed out by teammates. I’m glad Snivelly is finally ready to try and argue Kobe vs. LeBron should be fun :lol

Kobe was great against the Magic 09 not sure why you missed that one.

RRR3
09-27-2021, 07:10 PM
Kobe was great against the Magic 09 not sure why you missed that one.
You have low standards for great, and even if so that’s only two finals out of SEVEN, not very good for someone OP claims is arguably GOAT

Cold soul
09-27-2021, 07:28 PM
You have low standards for great, and even if so that’s only two finals out of SEVEN, not very good for someone OP claims is arguably GOAT

Not really you're just a huge Kobe hater and always have been your post history shows this. I usually ignore everything you say when comes to the topic of Kobe. Kobe is very underrated he is the GOAT tier of course not but that doesn't mean he isn't in the discussion in top 7 or 8 or so ever.

RRR3
09-27-2021, 07:36 PM
Not really you're just a huge Kobe hater and always have been your post history shows this. I usually ignore everything you say when comes to the top of Kobe. Kobe is very underrated he is the GOAT tier of course not but that doesn't mean he isn't in the discussion in top 7 or 8 or so ever.
Assessing Kobe accurately isn’t hating, stan.

Cold soul
09-27-2021, 07:38 PM
Assessing Kobe accurately isn’t hating, stan.

It's not assessing it's just a flat out fact.

Gohan
09-27-2021, 08:39 PM
Kobe shot under 50% in 32 of his 37 career Finals games

Hes also 5/7 in the finals and lebron is 4/10. Kobe did something right

RRR3
09-27-2021, 08:41 PM
It's not assessing it's just a flat out fact.
Kobe being ranked as highly as you claim he is hardly is a fact.

Cold soul
09-27-2021, 08:49 PM
Kobe being ranked as highly as you claim he is hardly is a fact.

I never said it was. :confusedshrug: Why do you care anyway?

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
09-27-2021, 08:58 PM
He legit had one great finals and it was against the Nets with prime Shaq as first option. Every other finals he tossed up bricks and got bailed out by teammates. I’m glad Snivelly is finally ready to try and argue Kobe vs. LeBron should be fun :lol

Triangle footwork. Jordan's clone. Off-ball passing. Yada Yada Yada. He'll say whatever he can just to ignore Shaq.

If the arguments consist of regular-season >>> postseason and finals play, you're right. They'll be amusing. :oldlol:

tpols
09-27-2021, 09:37 PM
Kobe relished taking challenges on tough defenders just like Jordan. Bran hunts mismatches for small guards or stumble bum centers. Imagine an 8 ppg regular season iggy embarrassing Kobe H2H and winning FMVP over him. :lol

Axe
09-27-2021, 09:48 PM
Kobe only averaged around 15 ppg in the 2000 finals yet op never seems to have any problems about this whatsoever.
Op?

Kobe_Bryant
09-27-2021, 10:55 PM
Kobe never tried to meet LeBron in the finals. Avoided him at all cost

the only year we were both healthy/in our primes and on contending teams was 2009 and what happened

Cold soul
09-28-2021, 01:52 AM
Kobe never tried to meet LeBron in the finals. Avoided him at all cost

It's actually the other way around Lebron had his chance in 09-10 to face Kobe in the finals but failed to get out of the Eastern conference.

RRR3
09-28-2021, 01:53 AM
It's actually the other way around Lebron had his chance in 09-10 to face Kobe in the finals but failed to get out of the Eastern conference.
Kobe had his chance in 07, 11-13. Failed to make it out of the second round yikes.

Kobe_Bryant
09-28-2021, 01:55 AM
the lakers with an injured older version of myself losing to dallas and OKC wasn't a big surprise

the #1 seed cavs and reigning league MVP prime Lebron james losing to dwight coward the pedo homosexual soft piece of shit and his orlando tragic team however WAS

Kobe_Bryant
09-28-2021, 01:58 AM
Kobe had his chance in 07, 11-13. Failed to make it out of the second round yikes.




07? with kwame and smush in the starting lineup? in the west?


https://www.rollingstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/norm-macdonald-obit.jpg

"what are you f*ckin retarded or something" - Norm Macdonald ( he's sitting next to me. we're talking football )

SouBeachTalents
09-28-2021, 02:15 AM
the lakers with an injured older version of myself losing to dallas and OKC wasn't a big surprise

the #1 seed cavs and reigning league MVP prime Lebron james losing to dwight coward the pedo homosexual soft piece of shit and his orlando tragic team however WAS
what are you f*ckin retarded or something

RRR3
09-28-2021, 02:22 AM
what are you f*ckin retarded or something
It’s Kennethgriffin so yes.

Kobe_Bryant
09-28-2021, 03:10 AM
what are you f*ckin retarded or something

so a team that beat a big 3 of prime Lebron, Wade, Bosh who were all top 5 in PER a season before.... also beating an old injured 2011 version of myself that needed surgery all year and was forced to only play 30 minutes a game IS a big surprise to you?

i was finished

https://i.ibb.co/2KTKGM8/Screen-Shot-2021-09-28-at-3-08-38-AM.png


so you're telling me you f*ggots use goin strains and ankle sprains as excuses for Lebron but when i need reconstructive knee surgery its no big deal

https://c.tenor.com/1L3hJiloIqcAAAAd/kobe-bryant-laugh.gif

Cold soul
09-28-2021, 03:23 AM
Kobe had his chance in 07, 11-13. Failed to make it out of the second round yikes.

Well in 07 Kobe didn't have the team makeup around him to contend he was a solo act on the Lakers that year. In 11-13 well 2011 Dirk went super saiyan mode on entire NBA throughout the playoffs including Miami in the Finals Lebron had one of worst choke jobs in NBA history in 2011. Kobe late prime ended after 2010 he had a great bounce back year in 13 before tearing his achilles he lead that Lakers team to the playoffs that year Dwight, Nash, Gasol missed so many games that year due to injury. Kobe was playing like top 5 player in 2013 he gets a lot of credit for that season it was very impressive considering it was his 17th season.

Kobe_Bryant
09-28-2021, 03:27 AM
Well in 07 Kobe didn't have the team makeup around him to contend he was a solo act on the Lakers that year. In 11-13 well 2011 Dirk went super saiyan mode on entire NBA throughout the playoffs including Miami in the Finals Lebron had one of worst choke jobs in NBA history in 2011. Kobe late prime ended after 2010 he had a great bounce back year in 13 before tearing his achilles he lead that Lakers team to the playoffs that year Dwight, Nash, Gasol missed so many games that year due to injury. Kobe was playing like top 5 player in 2013 he gets a lot of credit for that season it was very impressive considering it was his 17th season.

imagine not giving the mvp to me after i hit 10+ game winning shots in 2013 and dragged an injured squad to the playoffs then tore my achilles after an MVP performance vs golden state to make the playoffs officially. hitting clutch free throws on one leg.

and instead giving it to some guy on a big 4 miami team that didn't even have to play for the heat to make the finals that year


what exactly is the definition of value to your team if one team absolutely depends on you 100% and the other team doesn't even need you unless they're playing sanantonio

SouBeachTalents
09-28-2021, 03:28 AM
so a team that beat a big 3 of prime Lebron, Wade, Bosh who were all top 5 in PER a season before.... also beating an old injured 2011 version of myself that needed surgery all year and was forced to only play 30 minutes a game IS a big surprise to you?

i was finished

https://i.ibb.co/2KTKGM8/Screen-Shot-2021-09-28-at-3-08-38-AM.png


so you're telling me you f*ggots use goin strains and ankle sprains as excuses for Lebron but when i need reconstructive knee surgery its no big deal

https://c.tenor.com/1L3hJiloIqcAAAAd/kobe-bryant-laugh.gif
https://i.ibb.co/yq0v2Qr/Screenshot-2021-09-28-032725.png

Kobe_Bryant
09-28-2021, 03:30 AM
https://i.ibb.co/yq0v2Qr/Screenshot-2021-09-28-032725.png

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/k1wu88uMEIaweRP1AlpjSPhNcZrELdc1qXxtJz5kzldhJ-6X4WQ7BN3TpsUvPyrJgtDCcH-GzS15w9-k9EETWbgz1vtY20L5xcTPov0x8n4

SouBeachTalents
09-28-2021, 03:33 AM
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/k1wu88uMEIaweRP1AlpjSPhNcZrELdc1qXxtJz5kzldhJ-6X4WQ7BN3TpsUvPyrJgtDCcH-GzS15w9-k9EETWbgz1vtY20L5xcTPov0x8n4
I never argued otherwise, you're the doofus who said the Lakers losing to Dallas wasn't a big surprise :lol

LAL
09-28-2021, 03:35 AM
Lebum could've met Kobe in the finals in 08, 09 & 10. The Kobe who already three peated prior.

TheGoatest
09-28-2021, 03:42 AM
Tayshaun Prince did this to Kobe while Kobe was playing with prime Shaq:

https://images4.imagebam.com/00/23/5c/ME3XGIV_o.jpg

LeBron did this to Tayshaun Prince with someone named Daniel Gibson being the #2 scorer on his team:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/image/kaczalas/RmJ9geM6esI/AAAAAAAAQEw/fP-4rBik3rw/s600/nba_070602_cle-vs-det-27-game-6.jpg

LeBron made the finals 7 times while Kobe was playing. Kobe made the finals 4 times while LeBron was playing. Who was dodging who in the finals again?

Axe
09-28-2021, 03:44 AM
Lebum could've met Kobe in the finals in 08, 09 & 10. The Kobe who already three peated prior.
Kobe won in 08? Lmao.

Kobe_Bryant
09-28-2021, 03:49 AM
I never argued otherwise, you're the doofus who said the Lakers losing to Dallas wasn't a big surprise :lol

it wasn't. maybe at the time to media and casuals cause they're retarded. but to people that knew my situation needing knee surgery and in hindsight? not a surprise at all. especially after what they did to Lebron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh

i think you're confused about what kind of non surprise i was referring to

Kobe_Bryant
09-28-2021, 03:50 AM
Kobe won in 08? Lmao.

he said met

Axe
09-28-2021, 03:59 AM
he said met
But he told about a three-peat.

LAL
09-28-2021, 04:03 AM
But he told about a three-peat.

Axe, please stfu. Weirdo.

TheGoatest
09-28-2021, 04:06 AM
Axe, please stfu. Weirdo.

:roll:

The trademark Kobe stan reply.

Normal, unbiased person: "Explain why Kobe is better."
Kobe stan: "Shut up, that's why."

Axe
09-28-2021, 04:26 AM
Axe, please stfu. Weirdo.
He did not three-peat without shaq, you crazy old man. Foh albanian. :rant

Kobe_Bryant
09-28-2021, 04:30 AM
:roll:

The trademark Kobe stan reply.

Normal, unbiased person: "Explain why Kobe is better."
Kobe stan: "Shut up, that's why."

lebron has skill but no real accomplishments cause he cheated to get them through fake teams and fake muscles

he should realistically be banned like pete rose for life for his manipulation of drug policies and tampering


kobe never won a title during a fake season with fake teammates or suspensions. he never got linked to a steroid clinic either. lebron is great but he has so much cheating tied to all his accomplishments. hes like barry bonds basically

nobody respects bonds. we know he was great even without the roids and i'm sure lebron would have had a good career without all his crap. but not one where hes still getting his head above the rim in year 19 and playing with his 3rd big 3 on a 3rd different team

TheGoatest
09-28-2021, 05:16 AM
Kobe has one of the most well-documented, blatant blood doping schemes in NBA history when he went to Germany for his "knee treatment". This was when he was 34. And he never came close to winning again.

LeBron won his 4th Finals MVP on his 3rd team in 2 conferences at the age of 35 in a bubble that nobody, let alone a steroid provider, was allowed to enter.

Kobe was one slightly more stubborn Charlotte Hornets GM away from having a career no different than Tracy McGrady.

https://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/321/637/kobe1_crop_north.jpg?1369227161&w=3072&h=2048

Kobe_Bryant
09-28-2021, 05:46 AM
Kobe has one of the most well-documented, blatant blood doping schemes in NBA history when he went to Germany for his "knee treatment". This was when he was 34. And he never came close to winning again.

LeBron won his 4th Finals MVP on his 3rd team in 2 conferences at the age of 35 in a bubble that nobody, let alone a steroid provider, was allowed to enter.

Kobe was one slightly more stubborn Charlotte Hornets GM away from having a career no different than Tracy McGrady.

https://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/321/637/kobe1_crop_north.jpg?1369227161&w=3072&h=2048

so you're saying i had to fly to Germany to get steroids when lebron just has to go to Miami. and the united states is known for having the best undetectable steroids on earth. and I got steroids for knee cartilage problems? I dunno. sounds like speculation and desperation with no actual evidence. meanwhile lebrons agent was in fact sited purchasing steroids at a steroid clinic for lebron.


see what we have here is facts vs delusions


you make so.ething up to help yourself get through the reality of lebrons FACTUAL cheating. it's kind of like how people say " well if bonds, Sosa and Mcguire took steroids. then everyone did. including griffey"


but sadly the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence


and even if you were right and could deduct all the titles i won since going Germany. how many would be exactly

TheGoatest
09-28-2021, 06:11 AM
so you're saying i had to fly to Germany to get steroids when lebron just has to go to Miami. and the united states is known for having the best undetectable steroids on earth. and I got steroids for knee cartilage problems? I dunno. sounds like speculation and desperation with no actual evidence. meanwhile lebrons agent was in fact sited purchasing steroids at a steroid clinic for lebron.


see what we have here is facts vs delusions


you make so.ething up to help yourself get through the reality of lebrons FACTUAL cheating. it's kind of like how people say " well if bonds, Sosa and Mcguire took steroids. then everyone did. including griffey"


but sadly the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence


and even if you were right and could deduct all the titles i won since going Germany. how many would be exactly

No speculation. We know for a fact that what Kobe did in 2013 when he went to Germany was blood doping.

You can keep talking about LeBron and Miami all you want with zero factual evidence. Meanwhile, Kobe spent his entire career in a city where this takes place:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/t0O9bnEHqcU/maxresdefault.jpg

Kobe was pumping himself full of them Venice Beach steroids as soon as he demanded to be traded by the Hornets and moved to LA.
LeBron was known as a basketball prodigy as a skinny kid, as well as a grown man.

Wally450
09-28-2021, 09:51 AM
Ah yes, the 36/13/9 on 40% "lock up" :lol


This. Its actually very impressive what LeBron was able to do without literally any help at all.

Vino24
09-28-2021, 10:16 AM
Kenny has 54 posts in this thread lol

Axe
09-28-2021, 04:11 PM
This. Its actually very impressive what LeBron was able to do without literally any help at all.
Stop cheering for him. It's just sad that tatum can't do the same thing.

3ba11
09-28-2021, 08:22 PM
Kobe won in 08? Lmao.


Kobe swept the same Spurs in 08' with 33 on 50%, while Lebron was swept with 22 on 35%

Only Lebron lost a series due to bad efficiency - he shot 35-39% in 3 series losses as 1st option (07' Finals, 08' ECSF, 15' Finals)

SouBeachTalents
09-28-2021, 08:32 PM
Kobe swept the same Spurs in 08' with 33 on 50%, while Lebron was swept with 22 on 35%

Only Lebron lost a series due to bad efficiency - he shot 35-39% in 3 series losses as 1st option (07' Finals, 08' ECSF, 15' Finals)
He didn't have the benefit of being on teams good enough to win while shooting under 40% on 3 separate occasions like Kobe did. Or Jordan in the '97 ECF

3ba11
09-28-2021, 08:35 PM
He didn't have the benefit of being on teams good enough to win while shooting under 40% on 3 separate occasions like Kobe did. Or Jordan in the '97 ECF


Nope because there's only been 1 first option that shot 35% in a playoff series - Lebron - and he did it twice

Lebron simply can't beat good teams with high scoring because his high scoring is too inefficient and ball-dominant... He needed to average 33 on 50% to beat those Spurs but simply wasn't on that level.. He shoots poorly at the additional jumpshooting required of carry-job volume

TheCorporation
09-28-2021, 10:23 PM
Ah yes, the 36/13/9 on 40% "lock up" :lol

Want to know what's true? 6'2 Payton bullied Jordan to 27-5-4 on 41% :lol

Klay and Dray hold MJ to what? A pedestrian 23 on 35%

https://media.giphy.com/media/DFu7j1d1AQbaE/giphy.gif

SouBeachTalents
09-28-2021, 10:42 PM
Nope because there's only been 1 first option that shot 35% in a playoff series - Lebron - and he did it twice

Lebron simply can't beat good teams with high scoring because his high scoring is too inefficient and ball-dominant... He needed to average 33 on 50% to beat those Spurs but simply wasn't on that level.. He shoots poorly at the additional jumpshooting required of carry-job volume
LeBron averages more ppg on higher efficiency than Kobe in the playoffs. The disparity between the two of them when looking at their Finals and elimination game numbers is embarrassing.

RRR3
09-28-2021, 11:00 PM
LeBron averages more ppg on higher efficiency than Kobe in the playoffs. The disparity between the two of them when looking at their Finals and elimination game numbers is embarrassing.
I literally proved him wrong about there “only being one first option who’s shot 35% twice” and he continues to lie about it. He’s also rounding LeBron’s percentages down.

kawhileonard2
09-28-2021, 11:14 PM
Kobe never tried to meet LeBron in the finals. Avoided him at all cost

2009 and 2010 Lebron lost to inferior teams to avoid Kobe when both were in there primes and peak.

TheCorporation
09-28-2021, 11:38 PM
2007 and 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 kobe lost to inferior teams to avoid lebron when both were in there primes and peak.


Interesting

3ba11
09-29-2021, 01:34 AM
LeBron averages more ppg on higher efficiency than Kobe in the playoffs. The disparity between the two of them when looking at their Finals and elimination game numbers is embarrassing.


But Lebron is westbrooking, so his efficiency is offset by weaker team strategy, which allows kobe's teams to come out ahead overall and have better teams/Finals records.

Axe
09-29-2021, 02:31 AM
But Lebron is westbrooking, so his efficiency is offset by weaker team strategy, which allows kobe's teams to come out ahead overall and have better teams/Finals records.
2/7

And

6/16

3ba11
09-29-2021, 03:50 AM
2/7

And

6/16


Westbrooking has always been successful in the entertainment regular season when opponents are flying into town one night and out the next (zero adjustments), but Westbrooking loses in the playoffs even with a smarter, 6'9" Westbrooker like Lebron - he lost to 1-star teams with 1 seeds (09') and super-teams (11')

TLDR: inferior strategy (westbrooking) loses regardless of who is employing it (lebron)

Axe
09-29-2021, 04:00 AM
Westbrooking has always been successful in the entertainment regular season when opponents are flying into town one night and out the next (zero adjustments), but Westbrooking loses in the playoffs even with a smarter, 6'9" Westbrooker like Lebron - he lost to 1-star teams with 1 seeds (09') and super-teams (11')

TLDR: inferior strategy (westbrooking) loses regardless of who is employing it (lebron)
No fisher?

Taurus
09-29-2021, 04:08 AM
LeBron being better than Kobe has been a done argument for years now for everyone besides adamant Kobe stans/Bron haters.

RRR3
09-29-2021, 12:12 PM
But Lebron is westbrooking, so his efficiency is offset by weaker team strategy, which allows kobe's teams to come out ahead overall and have better teams/Finals records.
Not sure why we’re using a ring confirmed as rigged (2002) or a ring Shaq completely carried him to (2000) to try and boost Kobe’s case over someone who won all 4 of his rings fairly and as the best player (LeBron).

3ba11
09-29-2021, 05:04 PM
Not sure why we’re using a ring confirmed as rigged (2002) or a ring Shaq completely carried him to (2000) to try and boost Kobe’s case over someone who won all 4 of his rings fairly and as the best player (LeBron).


Lebron needed more help (big 3) than Kobe because Lebron doesn't fit with certain player types (skill deficit)

RRR3
09-29-2021, 05:23 PM
Lebron needed more help (big 3) than Kobe because Lebron doesn't fit with certain player types (skill deficit)
Ignored everything I said because you couldn’t refute it. Snivelly :roll:

SouBeachTalents
09-29-2021, 05:26 PM
Lebron needed more help (big 3) than Kobe because Lebron doesn't fit with certain player types (skill deficit)
Kobe was the help for most of his titles

3ba11
10-01-2021, 12:57 AM
the 36/13/9 on 40% "lock up"

6'2 Payton bullied Jordan to 27-5-4 on 41%





Payton is 2 inches shorter than Jordan, while Iggy is 3 inches shorter than Lebron, and Lebron was doubled 5% of the time (https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-22-2019/6e5aBZ.gif), versus 50% for MJ:

The youtube channel "Nobody Touches Jordan" did a video of Payton guarding MJ in Game 4 of 1996 Finals (link here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgFWyLRNsGk)) - MJ was doubled exactly 10 of the 20 times he caught the ball with Payton guarding - all 10 double-teams are shown if gifs here:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11792377&postcount=161


Finally, the 96' Finals were Jordan's worst and therefore must be compared to Lebron's worst, and the 07' or 11' Finals are far below Jordan's 1996 ring... So are all the Finals Lebron lost..

And the 13' Finals were horrible because Lebron averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games as teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit, while his 23 on 43% thru 6 games was insufficient and needed Allen to force Game 7 - he was also a zero plus/minus and negative net rating for the series, so the Heat didn't win with Lebron on the floor.






Klay and Dray hold MJ to what? A pedestrian 23 on 35%





The 1991 (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=qpikcz&s=8#.V_L49-ArLIW) and 1992 (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=iwox8i&s=8#.VI_7OSvF_Ck) Philadelphia 76'er media guides show that Majerle got 70 dunks in 1991, and 72 dunks in 1992 (top 10% of the league) - this is far more than Klay's career high of 21 dunks in 2015.

Majerle's higher dunk total occurred when league-wide dunk frequency was lower, as shown here (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12555171&postcount=86) (1 dunk every 23.8 shots in 1992, compared to 1 every 22.6 shots in 2014).

CONCLUSION: since jordan averaged 41 and 36 against Majerle/Drexler, he would average 50+ against Klay.. And Dray is a fat boy that would never even be put on Jordan for a single possession

HBK_Kliq_2
10-01-2021, 03:24 AM
Iggy locked down Durant in 2016 as well. The only one who dominated Iggy was Kawhi in 2019 finals when he had 60% TS, 122 offensive rating, had a higher GmSc then both lebron's title miami wins.

HBK_Kliq_2
10-01-2021, 03:26 AM
Kobe was the help for most of his titles

kawhi > south beach


Iggy locked down Durant in 2016 as well. The only one who dominated Iggy was Kawhi in 2019 finals when he had 60% TS, 122 offensive rating, had a higher GmSc then both lebron's title miami wins.

So lets get this straight, kawhi not only won finals mvp over miami but he also won another finals mvp in 2019 that had a higher gamescore then any lebron miami 2012\13 finals wins??

SouBeachTalents
10-01-2021, 03:41 AM
kawhi > south beach



So lets get this straight, kawhi not only won finals mvp over miami but he also won another finals mvp in 2019 that had a higher gamescore then any lebron miami 2012\13 finals wins??
Kawhi choked away a title in South Beach


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M9PjZzqXKg&ab_channel=jamiewade

Then he topped himself with an even bigger choke in Florida


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EjZZLJwteY&ab_channel=Z.Highlights

HBK_Kliq_2
10-01-2021, 04:47 AM
Kawhi choked away a title in South Beach


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M9PjZzqXKg&ab_channel=jamiewade

Then he topped himself with an even bigger choke in Florida


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EjZZLJwteY&ab_channel=Z.Highlights

2013 was Duncan's chance to win finals mvp and he blew it in game 7 when he missed a wide open layup

2020 kawhi led all players in gmsc and it was inside a prison bubble with no fans, lack of help from George

A finals mvp against heat LeBron and then Raptors kawhi surpassing heat LeBron in finals gmsc is everything, nothing else matters after that

3ba11
10-01-2021, 08:33 PM
Kawhi choked away a title in South Beach


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M9PjZzqXKg&ab_channel=jamiewade

Then he topped himself with an even bigger choke in Florida


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EjZZLJwteY&ab_channel=Z.Highlights


Last 3 games of 2010 ECSF:

Lebron 21 on 34%... Ditto 2011 Finals

ELITEpower23
10-02-2021, 10:08 PM
Ah yes, the 36/13/9 on 40% "lock up" :lol

Want to know what's true? 6'2 Payton bullied Jordan to 27-5-4 on 41% :lol

Klay and Dray hold MJ to what? A pedestrian 23 on 35%

1st post slays are the best

SouBeachTalents
10-02-2021, 10:19 PM
Last 3 games of 2010 ECSF:

Lebron 21 on 34%... Ditto 2011 Finals

Last 3 games of 2004 Finals:

Kobe 18 on 32%

Last 3 games of the 2008 Finals:

Kobe 21 on 34%

Last 3 games of 2011 WCSF:

Kobe 19 on 44%

RRR3
10-03-2021, 01:31 AM
Last 3 games of 2004 Finals:

Kobe 18 on 32%

Last 3 games of the 2008 Finals:

Kobe 21 on 34%

Last 3 games of 2011 WCSF:

Kobe 19 on 44%
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Axe
10-03-2021, 07:00 AM
2013 was Duncan's chance to win finals mvp and he blew it in game 7 when he missed a wide open layup

2020 kawhi led all players in gmsc and it was inside a prison bubble with no fans, lack of help from George

A finals mvp against heat LeBron and then Raptors kawhi surpassing heat LeBron in finals gmsc is everything, nothing else matters after that
No championship ring for the clippers yet. :cry:

ELITEpower23
10-03-2021, 07:28 AM
Last 3 games of 2004 Finals:

Kobe 18 on 32%

Last 3 games of the 2008 Finals:

Kobe 21 on 34%

Last 3 games of 2011 WCSF:

Kobe 19 on 44%

SouBeach out here taking heads :oldlol: