Deontay Wilder vs Fury and how that relates to hoops or any sport

[3ba11]

Wilder is the great athlete with mechanical, robotic movements that gets beat by the smooth, experienced fighter with all the nuanced feints and tricks hard-wired in (Fury).

So when it comes to scoring in basketball, Lebron is like Wilder (robotic/predictable), while Jordan and Kobe are like Fury (smooth/improvisational).. Part of the smoothness is their superior repertoire of moves, including elite jumpshooting skill.

Passing-wise, both Lebron and MJ/Kobe are elite with Fury-like, improvisational, natural-looking passing highlights (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaTd_F2yIrU&t=11m45s), and all were 30/10/10 whenever they played the point guard role..

However, unlike Lebron, MJ/Kobe understood that in addition to the distributor role, they needed to play the "shooter" role and be assist targets for teammates (elevate teammates), which allows the best strategy (ball movement) and therefore the best team ceilings/Finals records.

[TheCorporation]

Jordan will never be GOAT and Kobe will never be top ten. Accept it and your life will be much easier going forward

https://i.postimg.cc/k50RjLf5/MJ_was_a_fraud_big_time.png

[ShawkFactory]

Kobe was never capable of being the 30/10 guy.

I made a post years back about this. In his 10 assist games in his career he scored like 24 a game. Lebron was around 28-29. This was in 2016 or so, so it might be different now

But yea. He was either in attack mode or distributor mode.

He often chose well which role he needed to take on. But he couldn’t do both like Lebron, Jordan, or even Wade.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe was never capable of being the 30/10 guy.

I made a post years back about this. In his 10 assist games in his career he scored like 24 a game. Lebron was around 28-29. This was in 2016 or so, so it might be different now

But yea. Kobe wasn’t as good at doing both. He was either in attack mode or distributor mode.
He also wasn't as good as LeBron & Jordan, a fact that won't change no matter how many thousands of threads OP makes on the subject :lol

[3ba11]

Jordan will never be GOAT and Kobe will never be top ten. Accept it and your life will be much easier going forward

https://i.postimg.cc/k50RjLf5/MJ_was_a_fraud_big_time.png



Jordan is #1 in:


1) WINNING - most rings as the best player in 3-pointer history

2) STATS - #1 in PPG, PLUS/MINUS, WIN SHARE PER 48, PER, BPM, VORP

3) ACCOLADES - 6 FMVP's (11 total), 10 scoring titles, 9 two-way seasons (1st team All-NBA and 1st team defense)

4) TEAM CEILING/FINALS RECORD - 6/6

5) TREND-STARTING - baggy shorts, shoe money, lean-in dunk, fadeaway, mid-range game, documentary, team ownership, winning in big man's league - turning the game into a perimeter player's game and without rim-protecting or scoring center (small ball)

6) #1 OFFENSES (DOING THE MOST WITH THE LEAST) - four #1 offenses, including goat margins above league ORTG, despite the worst offensive help ever (4 on 5 with rodman, while pippen averaged 17 on 41% for entire 96-98' playoffs)

7) WINNING WITHOUT 1B's or SUPERTEAMS (BIG 3's) - everyone in history needed an equal-scoring partner in playoffs (1b) for most of their rings except the goat, who won with a true 2nd option that never won FMVP or averaged 25 ppg (unprecedented for a winning sidekick with multiple rings)

[3ba11]

Kobe was never capable of being the 30/10 guy.

I made a post years back about this. In his 10 assist games in his career he scored like 24 a game. Lebron was around 28-29. This was in 2016 or so, so it might be different now

But yea. He was either in attack mode or distributor mode.

He often chose well which role he needed to take on. But he couldn’t do both like Lebron, Jordan, or even Wade.


You're right - Kobe wasn't quite 30/10 like MJ, Lebron or Wade.. Kobe's real edge was his SKILLS, specifically, his MJ-like ability to quick-iso his man without much dribbling, and therefore average 30 and win in the otherwise-losing triangle.. Kobe is the valedictorian of the MJ-school of mid-range that every clutch player has used to win titles (Kobe, Dirk, Kawhi, KD, Pierce)

[ShawkFactory]

This thread would also make more sense if Fury didn't have 2 inches and over 40 pounds on Wilder. Fury is big enough to neutralize Wilder's power and speed.

Being smaller in basketball generally means that your bag of tricks has to be deeper. It's not an apt comparison at all.

[tpols]

This thread would also make more sense if Fury didn't have 2 inches and over 40 pounds on Wilder. Fury is big enough to neutralize Wilder's power and speed.

Being smaller in basketball generally means that your bag of tricks has to be deeper. It's not an apt comparison at all.


If that's the case, then in boxing the smaller fighter better be more skilled too. But in this case the larger man is far more skilled. Wilder is just a wild haymaker thrower which is checkers brand of fighting. Fury plays chess and is supremely trained.

[ShawkFactory]

If that's the case, then in boxing the smaller fighter better be more skilled too. But in this case the larger man is far more skilled. Wilder is just a wild haymaker thrower which is checkers brand of fighting. Fury plays chess and is supremely trained.

That's why this comparison is stupid. Lebron is bigger than Kobe.

It'd be akin to Fury being a wild haymaker thrower (with an added athleticism benefit) and Wilder being a more skilled boxer. That fight would be more even, as the Lebron/Kobe comparison largely is.

[tpols]

That's why this comparison is stupid. Lebron is bigger than Kobe.

It'd be akin to Fury being a wild haymaker thrower (with an added athleticism benefit) and Wilder being a more skilled boxer. That fight would be more even, as the Lebron/Kobe comparison largely is.

The point is being skilled to a GOAT degree leads to higher levels of offense in both boxing and basketball than being a GOAT athlete does.

Wilder > Fury athletically. Being a little smaller doesnt make up for the tremendous difference in speed, agility quickness explosiveness etc. Is Greg Ostertag a better athlete than Dwight was? He's 4 inches taller and heavier. But Fury overcomes his lack of elite athleticism with elite skill.

[RRR3]

He also wasn't as good as LeBron & Jordan, a fact that won't change no matter how many thousands of threads OP makes on the subject :lol
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