PG13 would've beaten Dwight with Mo just like he beat Gobert/Mitchell with Jackson

[3ba11]

and he would've beaten the Heat if he had his own super-teams instead of Hibbert

Indeed, the facts always demonstrate that Lebron is a fraud.

This becomes quite obvious when you consider that Lebron always had high playoffs seeds (good casts relative to conference) and therefore never carried bums in the playoffs - he infact failed to carry lottery teams (teams that were lottery the prior year) to the playoffs in 04', 05', or 19', while other stars carried lottery teams to low playoff seeds and therefore carried bums.

[NBAGOAT]

Paul George and mo is 1st round fodder and I like him. Indiana was much more than just hibbert, yes the ppg is exciting but their whole starting lineup had good starters especially defensively. You never argue Patrick Ewing was carrying harder than Jordan because his 2nd option in starks wasn’t even a perennial all star right? That just disrespects how good the Knicks were on defense. When the Pacers were worst post 2015, they were a 1st rd exit every year. It’s obvious by any stat or eye test that for multiple seasons, lebron leading his team to a high playoff seed was evidence of how good he was, not how much better his supporting cast was than the rest of the conference

[SaintzFury13]

3ball always manages to one up himself.

[Sportal]

The Pacers that took Miami to game 7 had a team leading player called Hibbert who averaged 22 point and 10 rebounds a game. Hibbert was an all-star the years surrounding that playoff series. The Pacers had the higher seed the year after this.

PG13 couldn't beat the Nuggets with Kawhi Leonard... Show me a playoff series where PG13 has gone 38/8/8, heck, I'll let you have 30/8/8 just for PG13, now find me that series.. Wasn't PG13's best playoff performance last year vs Phoenix? 28/10/5... Or the Jazz? 29/9...

He never carried bums in the playoffs? Can you show me a player that has had a long illustrious career after going through the playoffs with LeBron? How about that 07 or 2010 team? There any players in those teams that went on to do much? Or how about a group of people minus LeBron that has then gone to the playoffs afterwards, or even got close to the same season? His teams weren't the 93 Bulls.

[Reggie43]

David West was the leader and heart and soul of those Pacers teams. He basically personified what those Pacers where all about, the toughness, leadership and playing hard on both ends of the court while sacrificing his own personal numbers to promote chemistry and help the team win.

Paul George was obviously the most talented but there is no replacement for the things that David West brought to the table.

[8Ball]

Pg13 would not have lost to Isiah thomas 3 years in a row like he lost to Bron 3 years in a row.

[ShawkFactory]

So we're now trying to twist things into Paul George being better than Lebron?

Jesus Christ the season can't start soon enough.

[pandiani17]

:facepalm

[SouBeachTalents]

So we're now trying to twist things into Paul George being better than Lebron?

Jesus Christ the season can't start soon enough.
You think the season starting is going to stop this lunatic from making these threads :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

And for further proof that OP is a clown who nobody should take seriously

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?470932-PG13-is-a-lightweight-gets-bumped-off-his-spot-easy-low-impact-guy-Clips-aren-t

[ELITEpower23]

Paul George and mo is 1st round fodder and I like him. Indiana was much more than just hibbert, yes the ppg is exciting but their whole starting lineup had good starters especially defensively. You never argue Patrick Ewing was carrying harder than Jordan because his 2nd option in starks wasn’t even a perennial all star right? That just disrespects how good the Knicks were on defense. When the Pacers were worst post 2015, they were a 1st rd exit every year. It’s obvious by any stat or eye test that for multiple seasons, lebron leading his team to a high playoff seed was evidence of how good he was, not how much better his supporting cast was than the rest of the conference

Ether

/thread ender

[3ba11]

Paul George and mo is 1st round fodder and I like him. Indiana was much more than just hibbert, yes the ppg is exciting but their whole starting lineup had good starters especially defensively. You never argue Patrick Ewing was carrying harder than Jordan because his 2nd option in starks wasn’t even a perennial all star right? That just disrespects how good the Knicks were on defense. When the Pacers were worst post 2015, they were a 1st rd exit every year. It’s obvious by any stat or eye test that for multiple seasons, lebron leading his team to a high playoff seed was evidence of how good he was, not how much better his supporting cast was than the rest of the conference


Heat had 4 HOF's and the Pacers only 1 (PG)

[RRR3]

And for further proof that OP is a clown who nobody should take seriously

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?470932-PG13-is-a-lightweight-gets-bumped-off-his-spot-easy-low-impact-guy-Clips-aren-t
Still better than that bum LeBron. Has LeBron ever even made a shot?

[3ba11]

And for further proof that OP is a clown who nobody should take seriously

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?470932-PG13-is-a-lightweight-gets-bumped-off-his-spot-easy-low-impact-guy-Clips-aren-t


I'm not arguing that Paul George is good - he still sucks - this thread simply shows that Lebron isn't much better

[SouBeachTalents]

I'm not arguing that Paul George is good - he still sucks - this thread simply shows that Lebron isn't much better
So you've spent 35,000+ posts obsessing over someone who's barely better than Paul George? That's kinda sad

[Wally450]

So you've spent 35,000+ posts obsessing over someone who's barely better than Paul George? That's kinda sad

:oldlol:

Another fat L for 3ball.

[ShawkFactory]

You think the season starting is going to stop this lunatic from making these threads :oldlol:

No but there will be plenty of other actual interesting threads to dilute his shit

[SaintzFury13]

So you've spent 35,000+ posts obsessing over someone who's barely better than Paul George? That's kinda sad

Jesus. Talk about body bagging someone.

[StrongLurk]

So you've spent 35,000+ posts obsessing over someone who's barely better than Paul George? That's kinda sad

Lol really? Just 35,000?

OP has been doing this stuff for over a decade on multiple basketball forums. He could easily be over half a million posts that are pretty much solely about MJ vs Lebron.

You can tell he's an addict at this stuff because he throws together extremely low effort topics like this thread all the time. Like he needs to get his daily fix but runs out of material so we end up with this lame thread.

It's hard to tell what his goal even is...he could easily just be a mentally ill person who is obsessed with trolling people and gets his kicks off making troll threads about Lebron. He could also just be someone who is extremely lonely and gets his kicks by having people respond to him on the internet.

[k0kakw0rld]

and he would've beaten the Heat if he had his own super-teams instead of Hibbert

Indeed, the facts always demonstrate that Lebron is a fraud.

This becomes quite obvious when you consider that Lebron always had high playoffs seeds (good casts relative to conference) and therefore never carried bums in the playoffs - he infact failed to carry lottery teams (teams that were lottery the prior year) to the playoffs in 04', 05', or 19', while other stars carried lottery teams to low playoff seeds and therefore carried bums.

How about him losing to rookie Donovan Mitchell? With Westbrook...STFU moron.

[HylianNightmare]

Dwight was eating those bigs up regardless

[NBAGOAT]

Heat had 4 HOF's and the Pacers only 1 (PG)

Judge talent by how they were playing at the moment not their career resumes lol or your argument fall apart. How good is Paul George really at carrying when 2018 okc had 3 hofers yet only won 49 games and lost in the 1st rd to a team with 0 hofers?

[000]

Paul George is a beast

[8Ball]

Pg13 would not have lost to Isiah thomas 3 years in a row like he lost to Bron 3 years in a row.

Thread cliffs:

No answer.

[000]

Thread cliffs:

No answer.

:roll:

:banana:

[3ba11]

Pg13 would not have lost to Isiah thomas 3 years in a row like he lost to Bron 3 years in a row.


He would if his sidekick averaged 12 on 42% in those series (Pippen averaged 12 on 42% against the 88-90' Pistons)

You should understand that Jordan was carrying a lottery cast to a low seed in those years, which Lebron never did - Lebron's low seeds missed the playoffs and he only made the playoffs with high seeds (good casts relative to conference)

aka Lebron won his 1st playoff series by stealing the opponent's sidekick from them - Arenas/Hughes made the 2nd Round in 05', but then Lebron stole Hughes and beat Arenas in 06'.

[ShawkFactory]

I'm not arguing that Paul George is good - he still sucks - this thread simply shows that Lebron isn't much better

The thread actually shows that PG > Lebron.

You gave two examples of things that PG would have done that Lebron couldn’t. Keep you fvcking story together. Please

[3ba11]

The thread actually shows that PG > Lebron.

You gave two examples of things that PG would have done that Lebron couldn’t. Keep you fvcking story together. Please


It shows that inferior players didn't outdo Jordan like they do Lebron

because Lebron lost as the favorite - if that never happened, then these kinds of examples wouldn't exist - it's your guy's fault for sucking and being a fraud

[ShawkFactory]

It shows that inferior players didn't outdo Jordan like they do Lebron


Jesus Christ. You have a problem

[GrayGoat]

So if Westbrook was a baby at 28 years old does that make LeBron a baby at 26 years old?

[3ba11]

So if Westbrook was a baby at 28 years old does that make LeBron a baby at 26 years old?


I misspoke perhaps, but that doesn't change the point being made - Lebron is a 6'8" Westbrook that mostly loses because inferior strategy loses regardless of who the is employing it - aka ball-domination loses regardless of who the ball-dominator is (even a 6'9" westbrook will mostly lose, aka lebron)

And before Lebron had super-teams, he had Westbrook-efficiency while losing as the league favorite (2010) or as defending conference champs (2008), and he lost in 2009 as the favorite as well by Westbrooking.. he's also the turnover goat - all-time leader in turnovers..

Ultimately, what would happen if you made Westbrook 6'9" with super-teams?... He'd be 4/10 like Lebron.

[GrayGoat]

I misspoke perhaps, but that doesn't change the point being made - Lebron is a 6'8" Westbrook that mostly loses because inferior strategy loses regardless of who the is employing it - aka ball-domination loses regardless of who the ball-dominator is (even a 6'9" westbrook will mostly lose, aka lebron)

And before Lebron had super-teams, he had Westbrook-efficiency while losing as the league favorite (2010) or as defending conference champs (2008), and he lost in 2009 as the favorite as well by Westbrooking.. he's also the turnover goat - all-time leader in turnovers..

Ultimately, what would happen if you made Westbrook 6'9" with super-teams?... He'd be 4/10 like Lebron.
Everyone mostly lost except Bill Russell

[3ba11]

Everyone mostly lost except Bill Russell


Most all-time greats proved they had the skills to achieve the best teams, aka best team ceilings (winning Finals records)

Unfortunately, Lebron's skill restriction to ball-domination puts a lower ceiling on teammate fits and team strategy (less ball movement), which hurts team ceiling/Finals records.

Btw, Jordan is 6/11 in full seasons - so that excludes 86' and 95' and Wizards injury

[GrayGoat]

Most all-time greats proved they had the skills to achieve the best teams, aka best team ceilings (winning Finals records)

Unfortunately, Lebron's skill restriction to ball-domination puts a lower ceiling on teammate fits and team strategy (less ball movement), which hurts team ceiling/Finals records.

Btw, Jordan is 6/11 in full seasons - so that excludes 86' and 95' and Wizards injury

MJ played 15 seasons. Stop making excuses. 6/15 MJ meanwhile Russell is 11/13

[3ba11]

MJ played 15 seasons. Stop making excuses. 6/15 MJ meanwhile Russell is 11/13


Russell wasn't the best player or top producer for most of his rings and he had super-teams - his casts had an 8 HOF advantage over MJ's cast

So Jordan's 6 rings as the best player and top producer is the top accomplishment in history, and his rings were without super-teams or 1b's (complete carry-jobs where the 2nd option averaged far less in every single series)

[GrayGoat]

Russell wasn't the best player or top producer for most of his rings, while having an 8 HOF advantage over MJ's cast
Russell was the best player because of his two way defense. MJ can’t compare

[3ba11]

Russell was the best player because of his two way defense. MJ can’t compare


MJ was top 5 DPOY and scoring champ from 88-98', so apparently have no idea what you're talking about - no one reached a higher standard of play than top 5 DPOY and scoring champ.. every... single... year

[GrayGoat]

MJ was top 5 DPOY and scoring champ from 88-98', so apparently have no idea what you're talking about - no one reached a higher standard of play than top 5 DPOY and scoring champ.. every... single... year

Dpoy didn’t exist. So MJ was better because of a media voted award?

[3ba11]

Dpoy didn’t exist. So MJ was better because of a media voted award?


you said that russell was the best because he was a 2-way player, except MJ is the greatest 2-way player of all-time - far superior to russell lol

scoring champ and top 5 DPOY?.... for 10 years?... gtfo... no one is close to that STANDARD

[GrayGoat]

you said that russell was the best because he was a 2-way player, except MJ is the greatest 2-way player of all-time - far superior to russell lol

scoring champ and top 5 DPOY?.... for 10 years?... gtfo... no one is close to that STANDARD

Yet he couldn’t win more chips like Russell.

[3ba11]

Yet he couldn’t win more chips like Russell.


MJ never had a good cast - he had to win with a low-producing sidekick that was more like a defensive role player than a high-producing dominant star - MJ's rings were the rare breed of ring that was won without super-teams or 1b's that Russell and other stars enjoyed.

MJ had to achieve four #1 offenses that included goat margins above league average with literally the worst offensive help that any team ever had - i.e. the Bulls played 4 on 5 with Rodman, while pippen averaged 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs (including 2 Finals of 15 ppg)

[GrayGoat]

Low producing teammates yet they won 72 games and even won 55 without MJ

[Axe]

Lol really? Just 35,000?

OP has been doing this stuff for over a decade on multiple basketball forums. He could easily be over half a million posts that are pretty much solely about MJ vs Lebron.

You can tell he's an addict at this stuff because he throws together extremely low effort topics like this thread all the time. Like he needs to get his daily fix but runs out of material so we end up with this lame thread.

It's hard to tell what his goal even is...he could easily just be a mentally ill person who is obsessed with trolling people and gets his kicks off making troll threads about Lebron. He could also just be someone who is extremely lonely and gets his kicks by having people respond to him on the internet.
Have you heard? Not even doxxing op here with the names of his family members was enough to stop him in spilling his agendas about kong and pippen.

[3ba11]

Low producing teammates yet they won 72 games and even won 55 without MJ


the triangle always did well when run well, and the Bulls had won 3 rings with it, so they were running it better than anyone ever had

they had developed this superior STRATEGY, so they could win with less TALENT (only 22/5 from pippen and 15/11 from their 2nd option, who was a simple rebounder)

imagine winning 55 with a simple rebounder at 2nd option - so that tells you the strategy was strong (3-peat strategy)

[000]

The Celtics didnt win because of Russell? FOH

[3ba11]

The Celtics didnt win because of Russell? FOH


Just like everyone in history, Russell had teammates outscore him routinely, so he never carried teams like Jordan's 6 rings, where he averaged 10-30 more than his sidekick in every series - think about that - everyone else had teammates lead them in scoring for entire playoff runs, while jordan led by 10-30 in every SERIES.. wow.. So everyone in history is a "pippen" for needing teammates to outscore them - only the GOAT is a "jordan"

[000]

Just like everyone in history, Russell had teammates outscore him routinely, so he never carried teams like Jordan's 6 rings, where he averaged 10-30 more than his sidekick in every series - think about that - everyone else had teammates lead them in scoring for entire playoff runs, while jordan led by 10-30 in every SERIES.. wow.. So everyone in history is a "pippen" for needing teammates to outscore them - only the GOAT is a "jordan"
???

The celtics offense was always unimpressive, while Russell immediately improved their defense to "best in the league, sometimes by ridiculous margin"

Curb your dumb ppg spamming

[3ba11]

???

The celtics offense was always unimpressive, while Russell immediately improved their defense to "best in the league, sometimes by ridiculous margin"

Curb your dumb ppg spamming


If a player has a teammate match or exceed his scoring, then that's less impressive than another player averaging 10-30 more than everyone, aka carry-job (with more dpoy votes and equal/greater assists)

So stop pretending that scoring doesn't matter - if a player doesn't score efficiently or adequately, then they aren't a 1st or 2nd option

[000]

If a player has a teammate match or exceed his scoring, then that's less impressive than another player averaging 10-30 more than everyone (with more dpoy votes and equal/greater assists)

So stop pretending that scoring doesn't matter - if a player doesn't score, efficiently or adequately, then they aren't a 1st or 2nd option
The celtics offense was always unimpressive and wasnt what won them the titles, while Russell immediately improved their defense to "best in the league, sometimes by ridiculous margin"

Curb your dumb ppg spamming

[3ba11]

The celtics offense was always unimpressive and wasnt what won them the titles, while Russell immediately improved their defense to "best in the league, sometimes by ridiculous margin"

Curb your dumb ppg spamming



Russell played before the 3-point line, so the unspaced court allowed a 1-way defender to win .. But ever since the 3-point line was invented, all 40 MVP's have been dominant offensive players, so Russell wouldn't be MVP caliber today - this makes Jordans 6 chips as the best player the goat accomplishment

[000]

Russell played before the 3-point line, so the unspaced court allowed a 1-way defender to win .. But ever since the 3-point line was invented, all 40 MVP's have been dominant offensive players, so Russell wouldn't be MVP caliber today - this makes Jordans 6 chips as the best player the goat accomplishment
If being a bum like Gobert or something was all it took, you would think 2-way goat athlete Wilt wouldve been a lot more successful