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Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 04:43 PM

my personal top 100+ all time list:

( this is an expansion from my personal top 12 thread http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497788-Kobe-Bryant-s-top-12-players-of-all-time&p=14444391#post14444391 )

#1. Wilt Chamberlain
#2. Myself Kobe Bryant
#3. Michael Jordan
#4 Magic Johnson
#5 Larry Bird
#6 Bill Russell
#7 Kareem Abdul Jabbar
#8 Shaquille O'neal
#9 Hakeem Olajuwon
#10 Jerry West
#11 Oscar Robertson
#12 Elgin Baylor
#13. Tim Duncan
#14. Lebron James
#15. Kevin Durant
#16. Moses Malone
#17. Julius Erving
#18. Kevin Garnett
#19. Steph Curry
#20. Dwyane Wade
#21. Dirk Nowitzki
#22. David Robinson
#23. Karl Malone
#24. Charles Barkley
#25. Giannis Antetakounpo
#26. Isiah Thomas
#27. Kawhi Leonard
#28. Bob Pettit
#29. John Havlicek
#30. Bob Cousy
#31. George Mikan
#32. Elvin Hayes
#33. Paul Arizin
#34. Dolph Schayes
#35. Allen Iverson
#36. Sam Jones
#37. John Stockton
#38. Jason Kidd
#39. Scottie Pippen
#40. Steve Nash
#41. Chris Paul
#42. Patrick Ewing
#43. Hal Greer
#44. Bill Sharman
#45. Rick Barry
#46. Willis Reed
#47. Bill Walton
#48. Kevin Mchale
#49. James Worthy
#50. Dave Cowens
#51. Robert Parish
#52. Walt Frazier
#53. Pete Maravich
#54. Gary Payton
#55. Clyde Drexler
#56. George Gervin
#57. Dennis Rodman
#58. James Harden
#59. Russell Westbrook
#60. Damien Lillard
#61. Paul Pierce
#62. Ray Allen
#63. Tiny Archibald
#64. Kyrie Irving
#65. Gail Goodrich
#66. Tom Heinsohn
#67. Slater Martin
#68. Neil Johnston
#69. Bob Mcadoo
#70. Dominique Wilkins
#71. Tracy Mcgrady
#72. Bob Lanier
#73. Tony Parker
#74. Anthony Davis
#75. Chris Bosh
#76. Dikembe Mutombo
#77. Lenny Wilkins
#78. Alonzo Mourning
#79. Jerry Lucas
#80. Artis Gilmore
#81. Ed Macauley
#82. Larry Foust
#83. Chet Walker
#84. Bailey Howell
#85. Alex English
#86. Dave Bing
#87. Cliff Hagan
#88. Wes Unseld
#89. Vern Mikkelsen
#90. Dennis Johnson
#91. Vince Carter
#92. Carmelo Anthony
#93. Mark Price
#94. Joe Dumars
#95. Sidney Moncrief
#96. Grant Hill
#97. Draymond Green
#98. Reggie Miller
#99. Manu Ginobili
#100. Kevin Johnson
#101. Nate Thurmond
#102. Adrien Dantley
#103. Klay Thompson
#104. Jack Sikma
#105. Jo Jo White
#106. Chauncey Billups
#105. Dave Debusschere
#106. Tim Hardaway
#107. Mitch Richmond
#108. Walt Bellamy
#109. Jim Pollard
#110. Maurice Cheeks
#111. Yao Ming
#112. Ben Wallace
#113. Chris Mullin
#114. Chris Webber
#115. Nikola Jokic
#116. Pau Gasol
#117. Dwight Howard

RRR3

09-29-2021, 04:43 PM

Meltdown.

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 04:46 PM

we all know he won't make the 75th annaversary team. but can he make the nbas 100th squad 25 years from now?

https://i.ibb.co/bKXkhBB/Screen-Shot-2021-09-29-at-4-46-17-PM.png

this guy thinks hes 65th all time

imdaman99

09-29-2021, 04:47 PM

Get a life OP. And stop making people hate Kobe.

HBK_Kliq_2

09-29-2021, 04:48 PM

Kyle Lowry didn't even make the list hahahahhahaha

but yeah you're now underrating pau gasol, he's not worse then tony parker or james worthy.

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 04:53 PM

i mean even if we subtract all the guys Phoenix never heard of pau still doesn't make the top 75

#1. Wilt Chamberlain
#2. Myself Kobe Bryant
#3. Michael Jordan
#4 Magic Johnson
#5 Larry Bird
#6 Bill Russell
#7 Kareem Abdul Jabbar
#8 Shaquille O'neal
#9 Hakeem Olajuwon
#10 Jerry West
#11 Oscar Robertson
#12 Elgin Baylor
#13. Tim Duncan
#14. Lebron James
#15. Kevin Durant
#16. Moses Malone
#17. Julius Erving
#18. Kevin Garnett
#19. Steph Curry
#20. Dwyane Wade
#21. Dirk Nowitzki
#22. David Robinson
#23. Karl Malone
#24. Charles Barkley
#25. Giannis Antetakounpo
#26. Isiah Thomas
#27. Kawhi Leonard
#28. Bob Pettit
#29. John Havlicek
#30. Bob Cousy
#31. George Mikan
#32. Elvin Hayes
#33. Paul Arizin
#34. Dolph Schayes
#35. Allen Iverson
#36. Sam Jones
#37. John Stockton
#38. Jason Kidd
#39. Scottie Pippen
#40. Steve Nash
#41. Chris Paul
#42. Patrick Ewing
#43. Hal Greer
#44. Bill Sharman
#45. Rick Barry
#46. Willis Reed
#47. Bill Walton
#48. Kevin Mchale
#49. James Worthy
#50. Dave Cowens
#51. Robert Parish
#52. Walt Frazier
#53. Pete Maravich
#54. Gary Payton
#55. Clyde Drexler
#56. George Gervin
#57. Dennis Rodman
#58. James Harden
#59. Russell Westbrook
#60. Damien Lillard
#61. Paul Pierce
#62. Ray Allen
#63. Tiny Archibald
#64. Kyrie Irving
#65. Gail Goodrich
#66. Tom Heinsohn
#67. Slater Martin
#68. Neil Johnston
#69. Bob Mcadoo
#70. Dominique Wilkins
#71. Tracy Mcgrady
#72. Bob Lanier
#73. Tony Parker
#74. Anthony Davis
#75. Chris Bosh
#76. Dikembe Mutombo
#77. Lenny Wilkins
#78. Alonzo Mourning
#79. Jerry Lucas
#80. Artis Gilmore
#81. Ed Macauley
#82. Larry Foust
#83. Chet Walker
#84. Bailey Howell
#85. Alex English
#86. Dave Bing
#87. Cliff Hagan
#88. Wes Unseld
#89. Vern Mikkelsen
#90. Dennis Johnson
#91. Vince Carter
#92. Carmelo Anthony
#93. Mark Price
#94. Joe Dumars
#95. Sidney Moncrief
#96. Grant Hill
#97. Draymond Green
#98. Reggie Miller
#99. Manu Ginobili
#100. Kevin Johnson
#101. Nate Thurmond
#102. Adrien Dantley
#103. Klay Thompson
#104. Jack Sikma
#105. Jo Jo White
#106. Chauncey Billups
#105. Dave Debusschere
#106. Tim Hardaway
#107. Mitch Richmond
#108. Walt Bellamy
#109. Jim Pollard
#110. Maurice Cheeks
#111. Yao Ming
#112. Ben Wallace
#113. Chris Mullin
#114. Chris Webber
#115. Nikola Jokic
#116. Pau Gasol
#117. Dwight Howard

subtract the 31 bold names and paus 86th

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 04:55 PM

Kyle Lowry didn't even make the list hahahahhahaha

but yeah you're now underrating pau gasol, he's not worse then tony parker or james worthy.

lowry? wtf are you smoking. hes around top 200 or so all time

and i don't see any situation where pau wins finals mvp over magic johnson in his prime... or tim duncan in his prime

pau is a side kick through and through. worthy on almost any other team other than the 80s lakers and celtics is a #1 option

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 05:00 PM

https://i.gifer.com/Gra7.gif

we all know he won't make the 75th annaversary team. but can he make the nbas 100th squad 25 years from now?

https://i.ibb.co/bKXkhBB/Screen-Shot-2021-09-29-at-4-46-17-PM.png

this guy thinks hes 65th all time

Ummmm

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29105574/ranking-top-74-nba-players-all-nos-74-41

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/02/1c/50/021c50b5106cd7af8e108de22f520f52.gif

3ba11

09-29-2021, 05:02 PM

Gasol isn't top 100 but neither is Pippen

Both were that rare breed of 2nd option that never achieved Finals MVP or 23 ppg (true 2nd options)

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 05:07 PM

https://i.gifer.com/Gra7.gif

Ummmm

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29105574/ranking-top-74-nba-players-all-nos-74-41

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/02/1c/50/021c50b5106cd7af8e108de22f520f52.gif

ok so i say pau isn't top 100. some espn guy says pau is 65th

the nba won't put him top 75 all time officially

tell me who you would take off my list to make him top 75

list the names that are worse than pau

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 05:12 PM

ok so i say pau isn't top 100. some espn guy says pau is 65th

the nba won't put him top 75 all time officially

tell me who you would take off my list to make him top 75

list the names that are worse than pau

Let's start with you presenting a case for why Vern Mikkelsen is better.

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 05:18 PM

Let's start with you presenting a case for why Vern Mikkelsen is better.

theres 1. now all you need is 42 more names

and

Vern:

4× NBA champion (1950, 1952–1954) vs paus x2
6× NBA All-Star (1951–1953, 1955–1957) vs paus x6 ( tie )
4× All-NBA Second Team (1951–1953, 1955) vs paus x2

he was a pioneer and the sidekick of George Mikan during the NBA's first ever dynasty

historical impact should have vern higher than pau

if we're just gonna say "whos better if you transplant them into todays game" then tmac is above oscar/west etc...

its how you dominated your era and your historical significance

SouBeachTalents

09-29-2021, 05:20 PM

Gasol isn't top 100 but neither is Pippen

Both were that rare breed of 2nd option that never achieved Finals MVP or 23 ppg (true 2nd options)
:roll:

SouBeachTalents

09-29-2021, 05:25 PM

To answer OP's question Gasol is roughly top 60 all time, but more importantly he was a top 10-15 player in '09 & '10 and very arguably the best 2nd option in the league.

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 05:27 PM

theres 1. now all you need is 42 more names

and

Vern:

4× NBA champion (1950, 1952–1954) vs paus x2
6× NBA All-Star (1951–1953, 1955–1957) vs paus x6 ( tie )
4× All-NBA Second Team (1951–1953, 1955) vs paus x2

he was a pioneer and the sidekick of George Mikan during the NBA's first ever dynasty

historical impact should have vern higher than pau

if we're just gonna say "whos better if you transplant them into todays game" then tmac is above oscar/west etc...

its how you dominated your era and your historical significance

OK so if we're comparing accolades in this manner

Lebron 4 MVPs > Kobe 1 MVP
Lebron 4 FMVPS > Kobe's 2 FMVPs
Lebron 17 All-NBA > Kobe 15 All-NBA

Well that was easy.

LOL at this dudes 'historical impact'.

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 05:28 PM

Gasol isn't top 100 but neither is Pippen

Both were that rare breed of 2nd option that never achieved Finals MVP or 23 ppg (true 2nd options)

Kobe averaged 21ppg in 2000 so he wasn't a true 2nd option.

SouBeachTalents

09-29-2021, 05:31 PM

OK so if we're comparing accolades in this manner

Lebron 4 MVPs > Kobe 1 MVP
Lebron 4 FMVPS > Kobe's 2 FMVPs
Lebron 17 All-NBA > Kobe 15 All-NBA

Well that was easy.

LOL at this dudes 'historical impact'.
https://i.gifer.com/F5Vb.gif

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 05:33 PM

OK so if we're comparing accolades in this manner

Lebron 4 MVPs > Kobe 2 MVPs
Lebron 4 FMVPS > Kobe's 2 FMVPs
Lebron 17 All-NBA > Kobe 15 All-NBA

Well that was easy.

LOL at this dudes 'historical impact'.

if lebrons accomplishment were legitimate i would say hes better but

2012 Lockout OOPS
2012 Collusion with Wade/Bosh OOPS
2012 boston series rigged OOPS
2013 ray Bail out shot OOPS
2013 Collusion with ray OOPS
2016 kyrie Bail out shot OOPS
2016 green suspension OOPS
2016 Collusion with kyrie, Love OOPS
2020 Bubble OOPS
2020 collusion with Davis, Rondo and Howard OOPS
2020 5 month lockdown OOPS
2020 no travel OOPS
2020 no fans OOPS
2020 no durant or kyrie cause of BLM protests OOPS
2013 onward linked to steroids OOPS

if you can find any colluson, bail outs, steroid abuse, lockouts, bubbles in Verns career please let me know

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 05:35 PM

https://i.gifer.com/F5Vb.gif

spoke too soon

none of us ever said lebron sucks or he hasn't gotten a great looking resume. its purely context when it comes to lebrons all time status. nobody respects what hes done because its forced and fraudulent

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 05:36 PM

Kobe averaged 21ppg in 2000 so he wasn't a true 2nd option.

so now you don't know what "never" means as well as "multiple"

are you an immigrant of some sort

let me guess. you're mexican. or.... hmm. haitian?

no wait. you gotta be asian if you like luka

Cold soul

09-29-2021, 05:39 PM

Yes I would say Pau Gasol was top 100 player of all time. In 09-11 Gasol was one of best 2nd options in entire NBA during his prime - peak years Gasol was top 10-15 player in the NBA.

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 05:47 PM

if lebrons accomplishment were legitimate i would say hes better but

2012 Lockout OOPS
2012 Collusion with Wade/Bosh OOPS
2012 boston series rigged OOPS
2013 ray Bail out shot OOPS
2013 Collusion with ray OOPS
2016 kyrie Bail out shot OOPS
2016 green suspension OOPS
2016 Collusion with kyrie, Love OOPS
2020 Bubble OOPS
2020 collusion with Davis, Rondo and Howard OOPS
2020 5 month lockdown OOPS
2020 no travel OOPS
2020 no fans OOPS
2020 no durant or kyrie cause of BLM protests OOPS
2013 onward linked to steroids OOPS

if you can find any colluson, bail outs, steroid abuse, lockouts, bubbles in Verns career please let me know

And with all those bloopers Lebron still has more MVPs, finals MVPs, and All-NBA awards. Damn Kobester.

Now let's see

2000 finals Shaq 38/17 Kobe 15/37% OOPs
2001 finals Shaq 33/16 Kobe 25/42% OOPs
2000-2002 ZERO finals MVPs OOPs
2003 Cries like a bitch on national TV OOPs
2004 NBA finals :roll: OOOOOOPS
2005 misses playoffs OOPs
2006 blows 3-1 lead OOPs
2007 bitches in parking lot OOPs
2008 gives up 26 point lead at home OOPs
2008 real MVP was CP3 OOPs
2010 6/24 game 7 OOPs
2012 mysterious German knee surgery OOPs
2013 collusion with Howard, Nash, Pau OOPs

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 05:48 PM

so now you don't know what "never" means as well as "multiple"

are you an immigrant of some sort

let me guess. you're mexican. or.... hmm. haitian?

no wait. you gotta be asian if you like luka

3nut said true 2nd options average 23ppg. Kobe failed to make the grade in 2000. OOPs

SouBeachTalents

09-29-2021, 05:50 PM

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 05:51 PM

spoke too soon

none of us ever said lebron sucks or he hasn't gotten a great looking resume. its purely context when it comes to lebrons all time status. nobody respects what hes done because its forced and fraudulent

Everyone has the same context on Lebron's career. You don't have access to any secret information that the people voting him top 3 don't have. Just as they have the full context of Kobe's career and decided he was 12th, or bumped him to 9th after his passing.

Where does it hurt?

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 05:52 PM

https://c.tenor.com/QfyQ4kMW834AAAAM/yuck-gross.gif

You forgot to include the most rigged series ever in '02, the sweep with HCA in 2011, plus the various bailouts he got from Horry, Fisher, Gasol & Artest

I was trying to go easy on him. :lol

8Ball

09-29-2021, 05:53 PM

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 05:53 PM

Yes I would say Pau Gasol was top 100 player of all time. In 09-11 Gasol was one of best 2nd options in entire NBA during his prime - peak years Gasol was top 10-15 player in the NBA.

how does being one of the top 5 sidekicks for 2 years make you top 100 all time. from 2009 to 2011 i can name a bunch of guys better than pau

Kobe
Lebron
Wade
Durant
Dirk
Pierce
Garnett
Ray
Duncan
Manu
Parker
Howard
Paul
Rose
Roy
Nash
Bosh
Stoudemire
Carmelo
Aldridge
Granger

some of these guys didn't make my top 117

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 05:54 PM

Pau Gasol is a top 50 player.

:cheers:

8Ball

09-29-2021, 05:54 PM

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 05:55 PM

how does being one of the top 5 sidekicks for 2 years make you top 100 all time. from 2009 to 2011 i can name a bunch of guys better than pau

Kobe
Lebron
Wade
Durant
Dirk
Pierce
Garnett
Ray
Duncan
Manu
Parker
Howard
Paul
Rose
Roy
Nash
Bosh
Stoudemire
Carmelo
Aldridge
Granger

some of these guys didn't make my top 117

Thing is though...

https://c.tenor.com/WBSt2gcsNVMAAAAM/we-dont-care.gif

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 06:02 PM

And with all those bloopers Lebron still has more MVPs, finals MVPs, and All-NBA awards. Damn Kobester.

Now let's see

2000 finals Shaq 38/17 Kobe 15/37% OOPs
2001 finals Shaq 33/16 Kobe 25/42% OOPs
2000-2002 ZERO finals MVPs OOPs
2003 Cries like a bitch on national TV OOPs
2004 NBA finals :roll: OOOOOOPS
2005 misses playoffs OOPs
2006 blows 3-1 lead OOPs
2007 bitches in parking lot OOPs
2008 gives up 26 point lead at home OOPs
2008 real MVP was CP3 OOPs
2010 6/24 game 7 OOPs
2012 mysterious German knee surgery OOPs
2013 collusion with Howard, Nash, Pau OOPs

2000 Shaq choke game 7 WCF vs portland. Me to the rescue OOPS
2000 Shaq choke game 4 Finals vs indiana. Me to the rescue OOPS
2001 Shaq carried by me through Portland, Sanantonio and Sacramento OOPS
2002 Shaq carried again by me past Sanantionio OOPS
2003 easy 4 peat if horry hits one shot. he missed all 20 threes vs spurs OOPS
2004 Malone injured, Trial, Shaq feud, coach feud, repaired shoulder/knee OOPS
2005 24-19 record before rudy T retires. me and odom miss 20 games each OOPS
2006 i scored 50 and we lost, we lost to a superior 2nd seed
2007 ditto
2008 Bynum and Ariza injured
2010 everyone struggled. i dominated the last 15 minutes and Rondo admitted it.
2012 if i needed steroids i would just go to Lebrons miami clinic. germany is for experimental procedures such as blood plasma healing cells being extracted from your own blood via centrifuge extractions. was used to help with my lack of cartilage from multiple knee scopes. but if you feel like you should deduct all the titles i won since then go ahead
2013 you just said i bitched about the lakers not listening to me for deals/trades/signings and then say i had something to do with them going after howard. sure... everyone knows i would have nixed that deal if i was running things lol

notice how i can explain logically every critique of my career... but you can't defend any of the points i made about lebron

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 06:04 PM

Kenny how does it feel to fight the LeBron vs Kobe battle for 14 years, meanwhile watching LeBron climb all the way to top 1 / top 2 in nearly ALL legitimate global lists. Meanwhile Kobe is stuck at top 11.

It must have been painful to see LeBron keep climbing heavily from 2011-2021 that while your boy never climbed any higher since 2011.

i dunno who this ken guy is but if he were here i would expect him to say it feels like this

https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/the-top-nba-players-of-all-time

https://i.ibb.co/rMFmMvd/Screen-Shot-2021-09-25-at-2-22-05-AM.png

https://i.ibb.co/BBJgkp7/Screen-Shot-2021-09-25-at-2-22-20-AM.png

https://image.ibb.co/cs3V8d/Screen_Shot_2018_07_23_at_2_06_53_PM.png

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d66126289cb0db5f6471d9e4dce29514

https://i.ibb.co/yYMfXyF/Screen-Shot-2021-09-25-at-2-25-51-AM.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCk7pm8zV4k&ab_channel=HandlesUP

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 06:05 PM

Thing is though...

https://c.tenor.com/WBSt2gcsNVMAAAAM/we-dont-care.gif

up oh someones given up. anyone wanna step in for little phoenix the asian luka fan that used to hate lebron and now hates me more cause someone made fun of him

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 06:08 PM

2000 Shaq choke game 7 WCF vs portland. Me to the rescue OOPS
2000 Shaq choke game 4 Finals vs indiana. Me to the rescue OOPS
2001 Shaq carried by me through Portland, Sanantonio and Sacramento OOPS
2002 Shaq carried again by me past Sanantionio OOPS
2003 easy 4 peat if horry hits one shot. he missed all 20 threes vs spurs OOPS
2004 Malone injured, Trial, Shaq feud, coach feud, repaired shoulder/knee OOPS
2005 24-19 record before rudy T retires. me and odom miss 20 games each OOPS
2006 i scored 50 and we lost, we lost to a superior 2nd seed
2007 ditto
2008 Bynum and Ariza injured
2010 everyone struggled. i dominated the last 15 minutes and Rondo admitted it.
2012 if i needed steroids i would just go to Lebrons miami clinic. germany is for experimental procedures such as blood plasma healing cells being extracted from your own blood via centrifuge extractions. was used to help with my lack of cartilage from multiple knee scopes. but if you feel like you should deduct all the titles i won since then go ahead
2013 you just said i bitched about the lakers not listening to me for deals/trades/signings and then say i had something to do with them going after howard. sure... everyone knows i would have nixed that deal if i was running things lol

notice how i can explain logically every critique of my career... but you can't defend any of the points i made about lebron

And with all of that, Kobe is STILL only 12th?

WHERE DOES IT HURT??

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71GNKUX0grL._SL1500_.jpg

You see Kenny, it's not about being right or wrong or being able to refute your points. It's about imagining the veins in your head popping while you furiously try to argue against the common opinion that....

there isn't a formal ranking list anywhere in existence that has Kobe REMOTELY close to Lebron in the rankings. :roll::roll:

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 06:10 PM

up oh someones given up. anyone wanna step in for little phoenix the asian luka fan that used to hate lebron and now hates me more cause someone made fun of him

No. You merely believe that I care enough about this shit to the extent you do, hundreds of alts and 40 posts a day. I don't give a fukk about you, or your opinion. I do enjoy the idea that I'm in your head enough for you to recall conversations from weeks ago and creating a thread specifically for me.

Rent-free my boy.

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 06:11 PM

And with all of that, Kobe is STILL only 12th?

WHERE DOES IT HURT??

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71GNKUX0grL._SL1500_.jpg

You see Kenny, it's not about being right or wrong or being able to refute your points. It's about imagining the veins in your head popping while you furiously try to argue against the common opinion that....

there isn't a formal ranking list anywhere in existence that has Kobe REMOTELY close to Lebron in the rankings. :roll::roll:

you keep lengthening your posts to show how irritated you are with this thread. relax. breathe. i can't do it for you cause i'm dead remember

and if the world went by 15 guys voting on ISH then you'd have a pretty strong argument but this place and other forums with a small collection of nerdy lebron fans with no lives isn't gonna change the narrative

SouBeachTalents

09-29-2021, 06:12 PM

And with all of that, Kobe is STILL only 12th?

WHERE DOES IT HURT??

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71GNKUX0grL._SL1500_.jpg

You see Kenny, it's not about being right or wrong or being able to refute your points. It's about imagining the veins in your head popping while you furiously try to argue against the common opinion that....

there isn't a formal ranking list anywhere in existence that has Kobe REMOTELY close to Lebron in the rankings. :roll::roll:
Idk, the ranker list that has Iverson 18th and Drazen Petrovic top 25 seems pretty legit. As does the ESPN poll where Kobe has 4x the votes of Shaq & Duncan COMBINED :oldlol:

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 06:14 PM

Idk, the ranker list that has Iverson 18th and Drazen Petrovic top 25 seems pretty legit. As does the ESPN poll where Kobe has 4x the votes of Shaq & Duncan COMBINED :oldlol:

ISH has curry 12th

your point?

all people really care about is where the top 10 ranks and then people leave/stop voting. theres gonna be anomalies

kobe and lebron have close to 100k votes

petrovic has around 7k votes

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 06:14 PM

you keep lengthening your posts to show how irritated you are with this thread. relax. breathe. i can't do it for you cause i'm dead remember

and if the world went by 15 guys voting on ISH then you'd have a pretty strong argument but this place and other forums with a small collection of nerdy lebron fans with no lives isn't gonna change the narrative

Oh yes, pressing the space bar a handful of times to create space on my posts is the very definition of irritation. But not taking the time to make a thread specifically for another poster.

Rent-free.

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 06:16 PM

Oh yes, pressing the space bar a handful of times to create space on my posts is the very definition of irritation. But not taking the time to make a thread specifically for another poster.

Rent-free.

hey how come you didn't make this post super long like your last 2. are you calming down. i'm glad you're ok

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 06:16 PM

ISH has curry 12th

your point?

all people really care about is where the top 10 ranks and then people leave/stop voting. theres gonna be anomalies

kobe and lebron have close to 100k votes

petrovic has around 7k votes

And Kobe 11th. No anomalies there. :cheers:

Hurts....where does it?

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 06:18 PM

hey how come you didn't make this post super long like your last 2. are you calming down. i'm glad you're ok

I had the Joker 'I'm glad you're dead' gif all lined up. But I'm not THAT fukked up.

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 06:18 PM

And Kobe 11th. No anomalies there. :cheers:

Hurts....where does it?

i dunno i gotta go with the near 100k person contribution over the 15 people on insidehoops

whos even a kobe fan on this place. you all said this kenneth guy was your #1 kobe fan and he didn't even vote for me once. i just went through every thread for each spot and he voted for moses malone a bunch

you lied. you don't even have a kobe fan here

i went from getting zero votes to winning the 11th spot. almost like you needed me outside of the top 10

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 06:21 PM

i dunno i gotta go with the near 100k person contribution over the 15 people on insidehoops

whos even a kobe fan on this place. you all said this kenneth guy was your #1 kobe fan and he didn't even vote for me once. i just went through every thread for each spot and he voted for moses malone a bunch

you lied. you don't even have a kobe fan here

i went from getting zero votes to winning the 11th spot. almost like you needed me outside of the top 10

https://64.media.tumblr.com/b45634f06b1ee4abac6d05bde3cb9d52/f4b42a184ac6f6c9-cb/s640x960/3851e4c5a6f947c152ba51853106aa2708bfa9ab.gifv

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 06:23 PM

https://64.media.tumblr.com/b45634f06b1ee4abac6d05bde3cb9d52/f4b42a184ac6f6c9-cb/s640x960/3851e4c5a6f947c152ba51853106aa2708bfa9ab.gifv

if this place had kobe fans surely there would be a few votes for me sprinkled through the 4th/5th/6th spot threads

but no votes till the 10th spot thread? then i win the 11th.

thats a clear sign of there being an agenda and nobody here actually being a fan of me

you're not very diverse ISH

HBK_Kliq_2

09-29-2021, 06:23 PM

lowry? wtf are you smoking. hes around top 200 or so all time

and i don't see any situation where pau wins finals mvp over magic johnson in his prime... or tim duncan in his prime

pau is a side kick through and through. worthy on almost any other team other than the 80s lakers and celtics is a #1 option

So kawhi won a title with Lowry who is barely top 200? Wow #CONFIRMEDGOAT

SouBeachTalents

09-29-2021, 06:26 PM

So kawhi won a title with Lowry who is barely top 200? Wow #CONFIRMEDGOAT
It loses some of it's luster when that same Raptors team has a 60 win pace without him and came closer to making the conference finals than Kawhi did.

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 06:27 PM

So kawhi won a title with Lowry who is barely top 200? Wow #CONFIRMEDGOAT

the 2019 raptors weren't built on a 1/2 punch. they were more of a 2004 pistons type collection of really good players

they had siakam, ibaka, lowry, gasol, vanvleet, green, powell

everyone took turns being the 2nd best player on any given night. i will admit lowry was the vocal leader though

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 06:29 PM

if this place had kobe fans surely there would be a few votes for me sprinkled through the 4th/5th/6th spot threads

but no votes till the 10th spot thread? then i win the 11th.

thats a clear sign of there being an agenda and nobody here actually being a fan of me

you're not very diverse ISH

so whats the agenda for ESPN voting you 12th a few years ago and 9th posthumously? Asking for a friend.

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 06:30 PM

in 2019 lowry averaged 14ppg in the regular season, 15ppg in the playoffs, 16ppg in the finals

this isn't top 100 all time

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 06:31 PM

so whats the agenda for ESPN

https://ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2015/02/untitled5.jpg

RRR3

09-29-2021, 06:33 PM

Kenny foaming at the mouth :roll:

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 06:34 PM

https://ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2015/02/untitled5.jpg

Oh, my bad...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2854727-bleacher-reports-all-time-player-rankings-nbas-top-50-revealed

14th, 2019 article. Need any more?

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 06:39 PM

Oh, my bad...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2854727-bleacher-reports-all-time-player-rankings-nbas-top-50-revealed

14th, 2019 article. Need any more?

i'm a rapist and stood in the way of the Lebron agenda

even michael jordan isn't safe. have you seen nick wright/shannon sharpes takes on him

the media will do or say anything to push a narrative/agenda much the same way ISH and realgm do.

and i don't blame them. lebron is actually relevant and current. its the same reason guys like mark jackson were trolling the world about me being the GOAT after i scored 81

people wanna see legends fall. its david vs goliath. who cheers for goliath.

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 06:39 PM

Here you go Kenny, a few bones
https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/the-top-nba-players-of-all-time
Kobe 6th, Lebron 5th

https://www.complex.com/sports/best-nba-players-of-all-time-ranked
Kobe 5th, Lebron 2nd

:confusedshrug::confusedshrug:

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 06:40 PM

https://www.lineups.com/articles/top-50-nba-players-all-time/
Lebron 2nd, Kobe 8th
:(

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 06:41 PM

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 06:41 PM

https://clutchpoints.com/updating-ranking-the-50-greatest-players-nba/
Kobe 10th, Lebron 2nd
:(

ShawkFactory

09-29-2021, 06:42 PM

Hard to judge. If you give both guys 10 completely different rosters to be a part of I’m not sure I’d pick someone like Kemp in more than 5 of them.

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 06:43 PM

i like the complex links 4 voters of Zach, Adam, Zion and Angel

:lol

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 06:43 PM

https://clutchpoints.com/updating-ranking-the-50-greatest-players-nba/
Kobe 10th, Lebron 2nd
:(

yikes. well if Omar Guerrero says so then it must be true

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 06:44 PM

so you're admitting i'm top 5/6?

No, I'm showing that there isn't a list in existence that has Kobe higher, like I said before :hammerhead:. Are you an immigrant?

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 06:44 PM

https://www.lineups.com/articles/top-50-nba-players-all-time/
Lebron 2nd, Kobe 8th
:(

that damn jason guilbault has had it out for me since day one i tell ya

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 06:45 PM

yikes. well if Omar Guerrero says so then it must be true

As opposed to the word of some nutcase on ISH? :(

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 06:45 PM

No, I'm showing that there isn't a list in existence that has Kobe higher, like I said before :hammerhead:. Are you an immigrant?

its almost as if the people who posts lists on the internet durant lebrons era are lebron fans

go figure

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 06:45 PM

that damn jason guilbault has had it out for me since day one i tell ya

I welcome any list with 'you' ranked higher. I got time....

SaintzFury13

09-29-2021, 06:46 PM

if lebrons accomplishment were legitimate i would say hes better but

2012 Lockout OOPS
2012 Collusion with Wade/Bosh OOPS
2012 boston series rigged OOPS

Stopped reading right here tbh. Might as well say every series LeBron won was rigged if you're going to claim the 2012 one was.

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 06:46 PM

As opposed to the word of some nutcase on ISH? :(

how about players that defended me, MJ and lebron

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCk7pm8zV4k&ab_channel=HandlesUP

i think they might know more than omar or jason

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 06:46 PM

its almost as if the people who posts lists on the internet durant lebrons era are lebron fans

go figure

Jesus you are a whiny little bitch, ain't you? Everyone is out to get you. :cry:

RRR3

09-29-2021, 06:47 PM

LeBron is the bane of Kenny’s existence.

RRR3

09-29-2021, 06:48 PM

Jesus you are a whiny little bitch, ain't you? Everyone is out to get you. :cry:
The simplest explanation would be that LeBron is jut better than Kobe but he won’t admit that to himself because he couldn’t function if he did.

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 06:48 PM

Jesus you are a whiny little bitch, ain't you? Everyone is out to get you. :cry:

did you ever think about going by guys that actually played the game and defended all 3 of us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCk7pm8zV4k&ab_channel=HandlesUP

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 06:48 PM

LeBron is the bane of Kenny’s existence.

Dude needs to be on suicide watch. You hate to see it. Well actually, not really.

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 06:50 PM

The simplest explanation would be that LeBron is jut better than Kobe but he won’t admit that to himself because he couldn’t function if he did.

well personally i think i'm better than jordan. thats called a bias. because if you are a fan of someone or you ARE that someone you tend to have a revisionist point of view or criteria/agenda/bias that favors your guy or yourself

so when we take fans out of the equation it boils down to players taking mike first. me 2nd and lebron 3rd

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 06:55 PM

Dude needs to be on suicide watch. You hate to see it. Well actually, not really.

why do you think your opinion, omars opinion or jasons opinion is more valuable than that of

Kevin garnett
Shaquille O'neal
Dwayne Wade
Ray allen
Paul Pierce
Chauncey Billups
Ron Artest
Tracy Mcgrady
Vince Carter
Allen Iverson
Michael Jordan
Jalen Rose
Chris Webber

etc.. ?

guys that seen all 3 and played all 3 and me/lebron in our prime

durant, AD, bosh and many more from lebrons own era pick me over lebron

its odd that you guys would rather post an irrelevant fan list by some omar guy from a clutch points article or take some henry abbott analytical data ranking from 2016 and think its better

or some 15 person ISH lebron forum fan vote

you guys aren't even being logical lol

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 06:58 PM

did you ever think about going by guys that actually played the game and defended all 3 of us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCk7pm8zV4k&ab_channel=HandlesUP

https://media.giphy.com/media/sJs1Ag97x0MV2/200.gif

You're backpedalling. The entire premise of your thread is based on the idea that Pau may or may not be a top 75/100 player. The people voting on these things are the media. So if Pau doesn't get voted into the next 25 or 50, oh well the media has spoken! You're good with that. But the same media who votes Lebron over Kobe to the point of it being practically consensus at this point, oh well it must be agenda! Someone like Paul Pierce who hates Lebron taking Kobe? Objectivity baby!

Stop. You're embarrassing yourself with the whatabout-isms.

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 06:59 PM

why do you think your opinion, omars opinion or jasons opinion is more valuable than that of

Kevin garnett
Shaquille O'neal
Dwayne Wade
Ray allen
Paul Pierce
Chauncey Billups
Ron Artest
Tracy Mcgrady
Vince Carter
Allen Iverson
Michael Jordan
Jalen Rose
Chris Webber

etc.. ?

guys that seen all 3 and played all 3 and me/lebron in our prime

durant, AD, bosh and many more from lebrons own era pick me over lebron

its odd that you guys would rather post an irrelevant fan list by some omar guy from a clutch points article or take some henry abbott analytical data ranking from 2016 and think its better

or some 15 person ISH lebron forum fan vote

you guys aren't even being logical lol

More evidence you need to be on suicide watch. You're unravelling with these long posts. Are you irritated?

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 07:03 PM

why do you think your opinion, omars opinion or jasons opinion is more valuable than that of

What makes your opinion so valuable? You're the moron who took the time to come up with 117 names in the OP. If the only opinions that count here are the players you mention, then why the fukk are you blabbering on countless post and alt after countless post and alt? The amount of time and energy debating with 'no value' opinions on an internet forum. You're a c*nt:oldlol:

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 07:03 PM

https://media.giphy.com/media/sJs1Ag97x0MV2/200.gif

You're backpedalling. The entire premise of your thread is based on the idea that Pau may or may not be a top 75/100 player. The people voting on these things are the media. So if Pau doesn't get voted into the next 25 or 50, oh well the media has spoken! You're good with that. But the same media who votes Lebron over Kobe to the point of it being practically consensus at this point, oh well it must be agenda! Someone like Paul Pierce who hates Lebron taking Kobe? Objectivity baby!

Stop. You're embarrassing yourself with the whatabout-isms.

theres no biased agenda when its come guys like pau gasol. hes not polarizing. and theres no way to track down every players all time top 100 rankings. for that its mostly subjective

every player gets asked who their top 5 is or where they rank me, lebron and MJ

nobodies every asked anyone where they rank pau gasol all time. for that all we have realistically is our own opinions, the 75th anniversary team or some nerds article

thats why its actually worth discussing and i asked you repeatedly to take off 43 names from my list that you believe are lower than pau and you only mentioned one so far

i guess i stumped your ass

RRR3

09-29-2021, 07:04 PM

LeBron being better than Kobe is a fact. It can be proven. It doesn’t matter what people’s opinions are when something is factual.

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 07:05 PM

More evidence you need to be on suicide watch. You're unravelling with these long posts. Are you irritated?

you consider that a long post?

i hope you don't read comic books. they might overwhelm you kiddo

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 07:08 PM

theres no biased agenda when its come guys like pau gasol. hes not polarizing. and theres no way to track down every players all time top 100 rankings. for that its mostly subjective

every player gets asked who their top 5 is or where they rank me, lebron and MJ

nobodies every asked anyone where they rank pau gasol all time. for that all we have realistically is our own opinions, the 75th anniversary team or some nerds article

thats why its actually worth discussing and i asked you repeatedly to take off 43 names from my list that you believe are lower than pau and you only mentioned one so far

i guess i stumped your ass

As I said, you're a c*nt. My opinion is value-less so why are you investing this much time worrying about who I rank above or below Pau? Do you REALLY think I care about YOUR personal ranking structure? Do you HONESTLY think I give a single fukk about where Pau Gasol ranks in the hierarchy of NBA players? I've said on multiple occasions I only engage you because you're stupid and gullible to take the bait. You're like a fish that jumps onto the damn boat, no line or bait required.

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 07:08 PM

you consider that a long post?

i hope you don't read comic books. they might overwhelm you kiddo

There you go, a shorter one. I'm glad you're ok.

kuniva_dAMiGhTy

09-29-2021, 07:09 PM

Ken roaming ISH like Patrick Swayze in Ghost.

Never talk about people 'wasting' their lives again. You're certifiable.

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 07:10 PM

LeBron being better than Kobe is a fact. It can be proven. It doesn’t matter what people’s opinions are when something is factual.

Our friend Kenny's take on the topic is boiled down as.... any opinion, no matter who's, that says Kobe is better? Valid. Any opinion saying Lebron is? Not valid.

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 07:10 PM

LeBron being better than Kobe is a fact. It can be proven. It doesn’t matter what people’s opinions are when something is factual.

its not a fact. everything is opinion and i have more respected opinions on my side

theres context to everything. people don't respect lebrons stats or accomplishments.. they're basically like westbrooks stats and kevin durants accomplishments

really forced/manipulated etc..

and then theres his barry bonds like longevity due to roids

and then theres the era and soft rules/no defense/protecting guys

people who know the game don't just automatically say steve nash is better than so and so cause he has 2 league mvps. a lot of guys would rather have jason kidd or gary payton

context/respect are everything

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 07:11 PM

Kenneth roaming ISH like Patrick Swayze in Ghost.

Never talk about people 'wasting' their lives again. You're certifiable.

Remember, he was supposed to be leaving 2 weeks ago and told people to stop posting about Kobe and move on with life. :roll:

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 07:12 PM

Our friend Kenny's take on the topic is boiled down as.... any opinion, no matter who's, that says Kobe is better? Valid. Any opinion saying Lebron is? Not valid.

no it boils down to this

you have omar and jason on your side. oh yeah and 8ball/rrr3

i have

Kevin garnett
Shaquille O'neal
Dwayne Wade
Ray allen
Paul Pierce
Chauncey Billups
Ron Artest
Tracy Mcgrady
Vince Carter
Allen Iverson
Michael Jordan
Jalen Rose
Chris Webber
Kevin Durant
Anthony Davis
Chris Bosh
Charles Barkley

and 100 more guys that played in the league

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 07:13 PM

Remember, he was supposed to be leaving 2 weeks ago and told people to stop posting about Kobe and move on with life. :roll:

damn. maybe you shoulda listened to him

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 07:13 PM

So threadcliffs...

By the same publication that ranked Kobe 9th, has also ranked Pau 65th. Thereby rendering the opinion that Pau isn't a top 75 player invalid.

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 07:14 PM

no it boils down to this

you have omar and jason on your side. oh yeah and 8ball/rrr3

i have

Kevin garnett
Shaquille O'neal
Dwayne Wade
Ray allen
Paul Pierce
Chauncey Billups
Ron Artest
Tracy Mcgrady
Vince Carter
Allen Iverson
Michael Jordan
Jalen Rose
Chris Webber
Kevin Durant
Anthony Davis
Chris Bosh
Charles Barkley

and 100 more guys that played in the league

Another longer than necessary post. You were doing well before.

RRR3

09-29-2021, 07:17 PM

Another longer than necessary post. You were doing well before.
He’s making up shit anyways Anthony Davis has called LeBron GOAT before, has always been a LeBron guy (he once tweeted “no Kobe fans allowed”) and I know for a fact he’s not the only guy who has LeBron over Kobe on that list.

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 07:20 PM

Another longer than necessary post. You were doing well before.

is this you

https://cplfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/depraved.gif

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 07:22 PM

He’s making up shit anyways Anthony Davis has called LeBron GOAT before, has always been a LeBron guy (he once tweeted “no Kobe fans allowed”) and I know for a fact he’s not the only guy who has LeBron over Kobe on that list.

https://i.ibb.co/njmQVw2/Screen-Shot-2021-09-29-at-7-21-01-PM.png

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 07:22 PM

is this you

https://cplfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/depraved.gif

Is this you

https://i.gifer.com/UAG7.gif

kuniva_dAMiGhTy

09-29-2021, 07:23 PM

Remember, he was supposed to be leaving 2 weeks ago and told people to stop posting about Kobe and move on with life. :roll:

It worked so well, he created an account impersonating Kobe.

And in spirit form :crazysam:

Be grateful you're getting replies, Kenny. Without ISH you'd be in a padded cell.

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 07:24 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEPj0dIp700&ab_channel=extratv

@32 seconds in

woman - "jordan or lebron"

davis - "jordan... jordan....jordan...." ( laughs and shakes head at being even asked such a dumb question )

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 07:24 PM

Is this you

https://i.gifer.com/UAG7.gif

yes. looks like i snagged your ass

Phoenix

09-29-2021, 07:26 PM

yes. looks like i snagged your ass

https://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/thumbs_down_gladiator.gif

No. Be grateful we give your life meaning by humoring you.

RRR3

09-29-2021, 07:31 PM

RRR3

09-29-2021, 07:31 PM

https://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/thumbs_down_gladiator.gif

No. Be grateful we give your life meaning by humoring you.
Never forget he admits to raping women and said he’d nuke a country if it would improve Kobe’s legacy :biggums:

Sick, socipathic ****.

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 07:49 PM

Does Kenny not know what “GOATs” as in plural means? Everyone in the top 10-20 is one of the GOATs. I distinctly remember Anthony Davis saying the word “GOAT” during LeBron FMVP speech in 2020 but Kenny blocked it out lol.

goats means co-goats

he has 2 goats. i doubt he was saying jordan and me were 2 of the all time greats among many other. like come on. jesus christ your denial is ridiculous

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 07:50 PM

Never forget he admits to raping women .

sounds like my kinda guy

HBK_Kliq_2

09-29-2021, 08:08 PM

Never forget he admits to raping women and said he’d nuke a country if it would improve Kobe’s legacy :biggums:

Sick, socipathic ****.

Hahahahha what a nutjob

HBK_Kliq_2

09-29-2021, 08:10 PM

It loses some of it's luster when that same Raptors team has a 60 win pace without him and came closer to making the conference finals than Kawhi did.

2021 Lowry vanvleet siakam were all still on the team and were playing lottery ball

HBK_Kliq_2

09-29-2021, 08:12 PM

the 2019 raptors weren't built on a 1/2 punch. they were more of a 2004 pistons type collection of really good players

they had siakam, ibaka, lowry, gasol, vanvleet, green, powell

everyone took turns being the 2nd best player on any given night. i will admit lowry was the vocal leader though

It was kawhi and a bunch of role players. Nobody who averaged 20PPG. Lowry has never even made a 2nd team all nba, siakam has a career negative bpm in playoffs without kawhi.

You're full of shit Kobe. Lying just like when you lied after you raped that girl in 2003

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 08:26 PM

2021 Lowry vanvleet siakam were all still on the team and were playing lottery ball

wow thats a sick team. all they need is 5 other guys and they'll have a rotation

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 08:29 PM

It was kawhi and a bunch of role players. Nobody who averaged 20PPG. Lowry has never even made a 2nd team all nba, siakam has a career negative bpm in playoffs without kawhi.

You're full of shit Kobe. Lying just like when you lied after you raped that girl in 2003

i wouldn't call siakam a role player. he was borderline allstar level. so was lowry. and in the finals vanvleet joined them. and the other guys averages were spread out because of the raptors insane depth

i mean how hard is it to beat the warriors without durant or klay. didn't that team basically just finish last year with the 12 seed in the west or some shit

HBK_Kliq_2

09-29-2021, 08:45 PM

wow thats a sick team. all they need is 5 other guys and they'll have a rotation

3 out of 4 best players on a title team, you think they would at least carry the team to at least the play in tournament game when the east was horrible.

hmmmmm :confusedshrug::confusedshrug:

HBK_Kliq_2

09-29-2021, 08:47 PM

i wouldn't call siakam a role player. he was borderline allstar level. so was lowry. and in the finals vanvleet joined them. and the other guys averages were spread out because of the raptors insane depth

i mean how hard is it to beat the warriors without durant or klay. didn't that team basically just finish last year with the 12 seed in the west or some shit

siakam missed 11 straight three pointers in the finals and in the east finals he averaged 14PPG on 44% TS HAHAHAHA

Lowry averaged 13PPG on 50% TS in the 2nd round and for the playoffs he had a lousy 18% usage

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 10:23 PM

3 out of 4 best players on a title team, you think they would at least carry the team to at least the play in tournament game when the east was horrible.

hmmmmm :confusedshrug::confusedshrug:

yeah but they're not really a title team

and i said before the raptors were built on depth. so when you rape everyone but 3 guys it doesn't matter if they were the 2nd, 3rd, 4th guys... they're missing their bigs, their bench and their star player

Kobe_Bryant

09-29-2021, 10:45 PM

siakam missed 11 straight three pointers in the finals and in the east finals he averaged 14PPG on 44% TS HAHAHAHA

Lowry averaged 13PPG on 50% TS in the 2nd round and for the playoffs he had a lousy 18% usage

1st raptor win vs magic: Lowry 22 points, siakam 19 points, Ibaka 13 points

2nd raptor win vs magic: Siakam 30 points, Green 13 points, Lowry 12 points

3rd raptor win vs magic: Siakam 16 points, powell 16 points, Ibaka 13 points

4th raptor win vs magic: Siakam 24 points, Lowry 14 points, Powell 11 points

1st raptor win vs sixers: Siakam 29 points

2nd raptor win vs sixers: Gasol 16 points, Lowry 14 points, Ibaka 12 points, Green 11 points

3rd raptor win vs sixers: Siakam 25 points, Lowry 19 points, Green 17 points

4th raptor win vs sixers: Ibaka 17 points

1st raptor win vs Bucks: Siakam 25 points, Powell 19 points, Gasol 16 points

2nd raptor win vs Bucks: Lowry 25 points, Powell 18 points, Gasol 17 points, Ibaka 17 points

3rd raptor win vs Bucks: Vanvleet 21 points, Lowry 17 points, Siakam 14 points

4th raptor win vs Bucks: Siakam 18 points, Lowry 17 points, Vanvleet 14 points

1st raptor win vs Warriors: Siakam 32 points, Gasol 20 points, Vanvleet 15 points

2nd raptor win vs Warriors: Lowry 23 points, Siakam 18 points, Green 18 points, Gasol 17 points

3rd raptor win vs Warriors: Ibaka 20 points, Siakam 19 points

4th raptor win vs Warriors: Siakam 26 points, Lowry 26 points, Vanvleet 22 points, Ibaka 15 points

i dunno i think he played ok

TheCorporation

09-30-2021, 12:33 AM

https://i.gifer.com/Gra7.gif

Ummmm

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29105574/ranking-top-74-nba-players-all-nos-74-41

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/02/1c/50/021c50b5106cd7af8e108de22f520f52.gif

:lol It's downright embarrassing at this point to see OP get taken to the cleaners, post after post. This guy is a *** dumpster and he loves it.

TheCorporation

09-30-2021, 12:34 AM

Also, imagine skating over the three 7-footers Kobe had during those runs: Pau, Odom, Bynum and not to mention Artest and Ariza. $tacked.

Lakers Legend#32

09-30-2021, 02:18 AM

Pau yes.
Dwight Howard no.

Kobe_Bryant

09-30-2021, 02:41 AM

Also, imagine skating over the three 7-footers Kobe had during those runs: Pau, Odom, Bynum and not to mention Artest and Ariza. $tacked.

https://hollywoodlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/kobe-bryant-vows-to-keep-lamar-odom-sober-ftr.jpg?w=600

odoms like 6'8 lol.. i'm barely 6'5

gasol is soft and bynum barely played during those 2 title runs. he averaged 6 points and 8 points and didn't even play in the 4th quarters

odom and bynum fell out of the nba literally a minute after leaving LA

and gasol is 0-16 as leader in the playoffs without me

you're overrating these clowns

Kobe_Bryant

09-30-2021, 02:45 AM

:lol It's downright embarrassing at this point to see OP get taken to the cleaners, post after post. This guy is a *** dumpster and he loves it.

so them posting all time lists by oscar joseph endmonds and jason simp darnell from the sports forum elite websites is taking me to the cleaners and me posting 20 big name players opinions that played me, lebron and mike doesn't matter

i'm confused as to how you judge debating skills

HBK_Kliq_2

09-30-2021, 03:42 AM

yeah but they're not really a title team

and i said before the raptors were built on depth. so when you rape everyone but 3 guys it doesn't matter if they were the 2nd, 3rd, 4th guys... they're missing their bigs, their bench and their star player

Raptors had the goat playoff run because they beat three different super teams:

76ers: embiid/butler - top 3 mvp candidate and butler led his team to finals

Bucks - giannis/Middleton/brogdon

Warriors - curry/draymind with klay missing a game and a quarter. Surpassing 2016 Cavs over warriors because draymond is more valuable to the warriors then play from advanced stats and all nba selection peak.

Kawhi was able to do all of this without any 20PPG scorers of all nba 1st team guys

HBK_Kliq_2

09-30-2021, 03:51 AM

1st raptor win vs magic: Lowry 22 points, siakam 19 points, Ibaka 13 points

2nd raptor win vs magic: Siakam 30 points, Green 13 points, Lowry 12 points

3rd raptor win vs magic: Siakam 16 points, powell 16 points, Ibaka 13 points

4th raptor win vs magic: Siakam 24 points, Lowry 14 points, Powell 11 points

1st raptor win vs sixers: Siakam 29 points

2nd raptor win vs sixers: Gasol 16 points, Lowry 14 points, Ibaka 12 points, Green 11 points

3rd raptor win vs sixers: Siakam 25 points, Lowry 19 points, Green 17 points

4th raptor win vs sixers: Ibaka 17 points

1st raptor win vs Bucks: Siakam 25 points, Powell 19 points, Gasol 16 points

2nd raptor win vs Bucks: Lowry 25 points, Powell 18 points, Gasol 17 points, Ibaka 17 points

3rd raptor win vs Bucks: Vanvleet 21 points, Lowry 17 points, Siakam 14 points

4th raptor win vs Bucks: Siakam 18 points, Lowry 17 points, Vanvleet 14 points

1st raptor win vs Warriors: Siakam 32 points, Gasol 20 points, Vanvleet 15 points

2nd raptor win vs Warriors: Lowry 23 points, Siakam 18 points, Green 18 points, Gasol 17 points

3rd raptor win vs Warriors: Ibaka 20 points, Siakam 19 points

4th raptor win vs Warriors: Siakam 26 points, Lowry 26 points, Vanvleet 22 points, Ibaka 15 points

i dunno i think he played ok

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=gasolpa01&p1yrfrom=2009&player_id2=siakapa01&p2yrfrom=2019

Pau Gasol in 2009: 5.3 BPM, 22% win share per 48, 21.9 PER, 62.2% TS

Siakam in 2019: 2.6 BPM, 13% win share per 48, 17.2 PER, 54% TS

As you can see, gasol crushes siakam in every statistic.

000

09-30-2021, 05:38 AM

Are you?

Kobe_Bryant

09-30-2021, 01:06 PM

Raptors had the goat playoff run because they beat three different super teams:

76ers: embiid/butler - top 3 mvp candidate and butler led his team to finals

Bucks - giannis/Middleton/brogdon

Warriors - curry/draymind with klay missing a game and a quarter. Surpassing 2016 Cavs over warriors because draymond is more valuable to the warriors then play from advanced stats and all nba selection peak.

Kawhi was able to do all of this without any 20PPG scorers of all nba 1st team guys

ooh. I didn't know you were retarded. my bad