Which would you have? Pau, Odom, Bynum, Fisher, Artest/Ariza or Mo Williams + Big Z

[TheCorporation]

Are we done here? :lol

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Andrew Bynum become some star player during the 09-10 run is a myth, he averaged 7PPG over that span hahahaha

but yeah Artest was the best defender in the game, Odom was like a poor man crackhead pippen, pau gasol was the best low post scorer in the game.

Kobe always played in the triangle + best low post scorer in the nba Shaq or Pau = privileged

i guess he felt overly privileged, that's why he started raping hahahahaa

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe had the best supporting cast in the league those seasons, and among superstar players (LeBron, Wade, Dirk, Dwight etc.) the disparity was even bigger.

[FultzNationRISE]

And whats crazy is how routinely Bron shrekt Bean in their head-to-heads. Even with Kobe being basically the modern version of MJ, supporting cast and all.

Honestly makes me shudder to think of what King would have done straight up to Baldan. Would be an absolute mental destruction, probably sending him into like a fourth and fifth retirement.

Frankly? I wouldnt be surprised if Ordan announces some kind of publicity comeback tour in 3-4 years from now right when Bran retires :oldlol:

[warriorfan]

That locker room would have went ape shit with LeBron there. Lebron would have went on a hold out unless Odom, bynum, and fisher get max contracts. Then he would brag on social media about how he got his boys paid and then team hop and collude in Miami.

[RRR3]

Kobe had the best supporting cast in the league those seasons, and among superstar players (LeBron, Wade, Dirk, Dwight etc.) the disparity was even bigger.
And yet his fans talk up those years as if they were an immense struggle. That just happened to be a weirdly balanced time where there weren’t superteams, it doesn’t happen much. If anyone thinks Kobe is leading those Lakers teams over a superteam they’re dreaming.

[SouBeachTalents]

And yet his fans talk up those years as if they were an immense struggle. That just happened to be a weirdly balanced time where there weren’t superteams, it doesn’t happen much. If anyone thinks Kobe is leading those Lakers teams over a superteam they’re dreaming.
I would've actually really liked to have seen how those Lakers would've fared in the 2010's, going up against the Thunder, revamped Spurs & the (obv pre KD) Warriors.

[RRR3]

I would've actually really liked to have seen how those Lakers would've fared in the 2010's, going up against the Thunder, revamped Spurs & the (obv pre KD) Warriors.
There isn’t a year they have a chance to win a ring past 2010 apart from this past season when they definitely could have won assuming all the same injuries happened.

[k0kakw0rld]

Let it go!

2011 NBA FINALS GAME 4 GO AHEAD AND WATCH THE GOAT IN ACTION.

[SaintzFury13]

Andrew Bynum become some star player during the 09-10 run is a myth, he averaged 7PPG over that span hahahaha

I don't recall a single person on this earth claiming Bynum became a star player during that run. But he was becoming more and more valuable with each year he spent on the Lakers.

[tpols]

I would rather have Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, Shane Battier, Birdman, Rashard Lewis, and Mike Miller.

[Shogon]

I would rather have Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, Shane Battier, Birdman, and Mike Miller.

Not me... I'll take the guys that are absolutely dominating the **** out of the paint on both ends of the ball, thanks.

[8Ball]

I'd take any 4 starters from any team in today's game over Big Z and Mo.

What Bron did in 2009 is more impressive than anything he ever did in his career, next to taking down a 73 win juggernaut monster.

[tpols]

Not me... I'll take the guys that are absolutely dominating the **** out of the paint on both ends of the ball, thanks.

You're trolling if you think Pau was better than Wade or Odom was better than Bosh. Bynum barely played when they were winning titles and the Heat had better role players too with Battier, Ray, Birdman, Chalmers etc.

LeBron has never played with low post centers. He purposely chooses big men who play face up as shooters ~ Big Z, Bosh, Love, AD, etc. This is to give him better spacing on his drives.

[SaintzFury13]

LeBron has never played with low post centers.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2009/11/12/sports/12cavs_CA0/articleLarge.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale

[Jasper]

pau - hands down(.)

[tpols]

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2009/11/12/sports/12cavs_CA0/articleLarge.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale

Yea and how did that turn out?

They lost in the 2nd round. :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

And whats crazy is how routinely Bron shrekt Bean in their head-to-heads. Even with Kobe being basically the modern version of MJ, supporting cast and all.

Honestly makes me shudder to think of what King would have done straight up to Baldan. Would be an absolute mental destruction, probably sending him into like a fourth and fifth retirement.

Frankly? I wouldnt be surprised if Ordan announces some kind of publicity comeback tour in 3-4 years from now right when Bran retires :oldlol:

Fultz GOAT MF Nation, ladies and gentlemen

:cheers:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Rapist Kobe beat Aaron brooks in 2009 2nd round and his fans want to put it over 2019 kawhi, get the hell out of here. Zero argument

[j3lademaster]

Mo Williams is worth about a bag of doritos come playoff time. The off-brand kind from the Mexican supermarket.

[Kobe_Bryant]

lets rank lebrons teammates and mine



#1 - Shaq ( mine )
#2 - Wade ( lebrons )
#3 - Davis ( lebrons )
#4 - Kyrie ( lebrons )
#5 - Westbrook ( lebrons )
#6 - Bosh ( lebrons )
#7 - Gasol ( mine )
#8 - Ray ( lebrons )
#9 - Love ( lebrons )
#13 - Mo ( lebrons )
#14 - Big Z ( lebrons )
#15 - old Shaq ( lebrons )
#16 - Jamison ( lebrons )
#17 - Rondo ( lebrons )
#18 - Drummund ( lebrons )
#19 - Thompson ( lebrons )
#20 - 6ppg bynum ( mine )
#21 - 0 asg's odom ( mine )
#22 - fisher ( mine )

[jalbert009]

Lebron also had HOFer Big Ben too at some point while on the Cavs

[SouBeachTalents]

lets rank lebrons teammates and mine



#1 - Shaq ( mine )
#2 - Wade ( lebrons )
#3 - Davis ( lebrons )
#4 - Kyrie ( lebrons )
#5 - Westbrook ( lebrons )
#6 - Bosh ( lebrons )
#7 - Gasol ( mine )
#8 - Ray ( lebrons )
#9 - Love ( lebrons )
#13 - Mo ( lebrons )
#14 - Big Z ( lebrons )
#15 - old Shaq ( lebrons )
#16 - Jamison ( lebrons )
#17 - Rondo ( lebrons )
#18 - Drummund ( lebrons )
#19 - Thompson ( lebrons )
#20 - 6ppg bynum ( mine )
#21 - 0 asg's odom ( mine )
#22 - fisher ( mine )
The true top 10

Shaq

AD
Wade

Kyrie
Gasol

Bosh
Odom
Love
Bynum
Mo

[warriorfan]

Which one of those guys on the list has scored 50+ in a game?

[Kobe_Bryant]

The true top 10

Shaq

AD
Wade

Kyrie
Gasol

Bosh
Odom
Love
Bynum
Mo

you put kyries 28ppg/finals winning shot on the same level as 18ppg by gasol?


kyries a superstar. gasol never was


and bosh is a hall of famer with 10 allstar appearances and you put him in the same tier as odom whos never been an allstar?


and bynum averaged 6ppg for his championships lmao... how is that on bosh's level

[SouBeachTalents]

you put kyries 28ppg/finals winning shot on the same level as 18ppg by gasol?


kyries a superstar. gasol never was


and bosh is a hall of famer with 10 allstar appearances and you put him in the same tier as odom whos never been an allstar?


and bynum averaged 6ppg for his championships lmao... how is that on bosh's level
I'm talking strictly performance as teammates, so yes, even if he was better I think Bosh on Miami & Odom were pretty comparable. And Kyrie for sure has the scoring edge over Gasol, but imo their impact is similar and they were both top 10ish players during their title years. And Bynum was admittedly difficult to rank due to his injuries and low playoff output, but when healthy yes I think he was at minimum at Bosh's level and even got an All-NBA nod, but as you can see I've Bosh above Bynum regardless.

[Kobe_Bryant]

I'm talking strictly performance as teammates, so yes, even if he was better I think Bosh on Miami & Odom were pretty comparable. And Kyrie for sure has the scoring edge over Gasol, but imo their impact is similar and they were both top 10ish players during their title years. And Bynum was admittedly difficult to rank due to his injuries and low playoff output, but when healthy yes I think he was at minimum at Bosh's level and even got an All-NBA nod, but as you can see I've Bosh above Bynum regardless.

you think gasol ever had the same impact as 2016 kyrie

i think we're done here

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DA4wZhwXkAAfRFi.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tKi4Xl6Is2g/hqdefault.jpg

https://c.tenor.com/X8Yg1MK3fEAAAAAd/kyrie-irving.gif

[SouBeachTalents]

Not sure you want to focus on just the Finals there "Kobe" :lol We could do similar comparisons for the Lakers 3peat to determine who's better

[1987_Lakers]

you think gasol ever had the same impact as 2016 kyrie

i think we're done here

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DA4wZhwXkAAfRFi.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tKi4Xl6Is2g/hqdefault.jpg

https://c.tenor.com/X8Yg1MK3fEAAAAAd/kyrie-irving.gif

Speaking of the Finals...

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%

And you have Kobe ranked ahead of Shaq? I think we're done here.

[Kobe_Bryant]

Not sure you want to focus on just the Finals there "Kobe" :lol We could do similar comparisons for the Lakers 3peat to determine who's better

ok for the entire playoffs in 2016 kyrie averaged 25ppg, 5apg, 2stl on 48%fg's(57%ts) and 44% threes

for the entire playoffs in 2010 pau averaged 19ppg, 3apg, 11rpg on 54%fg's (59%ts) and 0% threes


i dunno i gotta go with the guy thats providing 530 points + an extra 40 points from assists over the guy thats providing 450 points

thats over 100 more points provided

[Kobe_Bryant]

Speaking of the Finals...

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%

And you have Kobe ranked ahead of Shaq? I think we're done here.

if this is about all time rankings its arguable kyrie and gasol are around the same spot all time but at their best its not even close. kyrie is a superstar level player and gasol was simply never close to that. and of course 2000-2002 shaq was more valuable than i was at the time because i was 21-23 years old. i didn't hit my peak until 2006

i'm above shaq because i had a legendary career without him and he didn't do anything without me

[1987_Lakers]

i'm above shaq because i had a legendary career without him and he didn't do anything without me

Ah yes, who can forget missing the playoffs or being 1st round exits once Shaq left until Gasol came to save the day, and who can forget shooting 6-24 in the biggest game of your entire life in 2010 vs Boston, legendary stuff I tell you.

[Kobe_Bryant]

Ah yes, who can forget missing the playoffs or being 1st round exits once Shaq left until Gasol came to save the day, and who can forget shooting 6-24 in the biggest game of your entire life in 2010 vs Boston, legendary stuff I tell you.

shaq was swept every year out of the playoffs without me aside from a 1 time fluke rigged series where he averaged 13ppg as 3rd option behind antoine walker

and he played with guys like prime penny, prime eddie and van exel, prime nash and prime lebron

i had kwame and smush. people give lebron a pass for 2019 cause he didn't have good teammates and he was hurt. well me and odom missed 20 games each and we were 24-19 before rudy T stepped down for health reasons.

people said "oh well the lakers were the 4th seed before lebron got hurt" ... so were we lol

i spoke to god and he said he did that to lebron specifically to prove a point and kill your 2005 agenda

btw he plans on derailing this years lakers again with another major lebron injury. hes sick of the colluding. so don't make any big bets


as for the 6-24 game. pierce and allen combined for 8-30 .. and i dominated the last 15 minutes on both ends and even rondo admitted it

https://i.ibb.co/kKzb6mh/Screen-Shot-2021-09-30-at-7-32-23-PM.png

https://i.ibb.co/jR3bwgG/Screen-Shot-2021-09-30-at-7-32-48-PM.png



and yes i will admit i needed gasol. the bare minimum and not even a top 40 all time sidekick in championship history

[1987_Lakers]

Sorry buddy, you can't rewrite history, everyone knows Kobe laid at fat egg in that game 7 and needed teammates to bail him out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-mT99HCFFI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4lTmal6JFQ&t

Meanwhile LeBron was doing this for his game 7's


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDDzmksK4fw&t

[Turbo Slayer]

Pau and the rest.

[SouBeachTalents]

^ Don't forget his teammates turning TWO different bricks into pivotal GW shots :oldlol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GklQlH1z_KE&ab_channel=arch91reborn


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4seP2wD_K4

[Kobe_Bryant]

Sorry buddy, you can't rewrite history, everyone knows Kobe laid at fat egg in that game 7 and needed teammates to bail him out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-mT99HCFFI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4lTmal6JFQ&t

Meanwhile LeBron was doing this for his game 7's


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDDzmksK4fw&t

and like i said. pierce and allen laid an equal sized egg which nullified my egg and rondo admitted that i took over the game in the 4th quarter and played them like a fiddle

how is this rewriting history if its coming from my opponents mouth

https://i.ibb.co/kKzb6mh/Screen-Shot-2021-09-30-at-7-32-23-PM.png

https://i.ibb.co/jR3bwgG/Screen-Shot-2021-09-30-at-7-32-48-PM.png



last 15 minutes



3:09 left in 3rd - my 2 point shot ( boston 56 - lakers 49 )
2:21 left in 3rd - my 11th rebound
8:46 left in 4th - my 3 points, fouled on shot ( boston 59 - lakers 58 )
5:56 left in 4th - my 12th rebound
5:56 left in 4th - my 2 points. fouled on shot ( boston 64 - Lakers 66 )
5:36 left in 4th - my 13th rebound
5:23 left in 4th - my 2 point jumpshot ( boston 64 - Lakers 68 )
5:01 left in 4th - my 14th rebound
4:39 left in 4th - my assist to Gasols 2 free throws ( boston 64 - lakers 70 )
4:20 left in 4th - my 15th rebound
3:21 left in 4th - my 1 point, fouled on dunk attempt ( boston 66 - lakers 71 )
2:47 left in 4th - my assist to Gasols 2 free throws ( boston 68 - lakers 73 )
1:01 left in 4th - my assist to Artests 3 pointer ( Boston 73 - Lakers 79 )
0:25 left in 4th - my 2 points, fouled on drive attempt ( boston 76 - lakers 81 )

[Kobe_Bryant]

^ Don't forget his teammates turning TWO different bricks into pivotal GW shots :oldlol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GklQlH1z_KE&ab_channel=arch91reborn


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4seP2wD_K4

don't forget. not once in my life has a teammate hit a do or die bail out shot for me in an elimination game


lebrons had 2 guys do that for him

[SouBeachTalents]

don't forget. not once in my life has a teammate hit a do or die bail out shot for me in an elimination game


lebrons had 2 guys do that for him
Kyrie's shot was not do or die. In all honesty Horry's 3 vs the Kings was more critical than Kyrie's. I'd rather take my chances tied with 50 seconds left than be down 3-1 without HCA.

[Kobe_Bryant]

Kyrie's shot was not do or die. In all honesty Horry's 3 vs the Kings was more critical than Kyrie's. I'd rather take my chances tied with 50 seconds left than be down 3-1 without HCA.

kyries 3 came with 53 seconds left in the 4th quarter of game 7

its as close as it comes. lets just call it a bail out i guess


lebron missed 4 straight shots before that. he was shook out of his mind. he needed someone else to break the tie thats for sure

[000]

Daily reminder that Kobe shot 4 of 20 in a finals game:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200006160IND.html

[8Ball]

6 / 24 is immortalized.

[000]

6 / 24 is immortalized.
Wait, what do you mean? What is 6/24? New fan here.

[8Ball]

I heard from a historian that it's a game where no all time great could win in a game 7 finals scoring 6 / 24.

[Shogon]

The true top 10

Shaq

AD
Wade

Kyrie
Gasol

Bosh
Odom
Love
Bynum
Mo


Look, you're one of the better posters on this site so I don't want to be a dick...

But if you seriously think that Kyrie Irving and Pau Gasol were on the same level, you didn't watch one of them play.


Pau Gasol absolute shits on Kyrie and he belongs in that second tier after Shaq... or at the least, Kyrie Irving needs to get bumped down into a new tier of his own.

The man was an absolute terror and took Memphis to 50 wins in a stacked Western Conference. He was amazing on both sides of the ball and he, along with Kevin Garnett, could not possibly be a better fit for Kobe and the triangle. It was a match made in heaven.

Gasol was a beast.

Kyrie Irving? **** out of here with that shit.

Give me Bosh over Irving.

[2much_knowledge]

Good question. I'd rather have Kobe than Lebron

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