View Full Version : The Score lists it’s top 10 modern players.
Kblaze8855
10-01-2021, 07:21 PM
.TheScore.com’s top 10 greatest players of the modern era:
1. LeBron James
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Tim Duncan
4. Kevin Durant
5. Stephen Curry
6. Kevin Garnett
7. Dirk Nowitzki
8. Dwyane Wade
9. Giannis Antetokounmpo
10. Kawhi Leonard .
Wanna fight about it?
Feel free.
Im about to eat what I suspect will be a mediocre dinner of what this diner calls calabash chicken….Ive never known exactly what that is….
Gohan
10-01-2021, 07:23 PM
Dwade continues to be the most overrated player ever
Dwade continues to be the most overrated player ever
No he isn’t and he’s still better than Iverson regardless.
SouBeachTalents
10-01-2021, 07:25 PM
What is the "modern era"? Post 2000? If so, Shaq is an obv glaring omission. If it's strictly players post the 50th anniversary list, which I suspect that it is, then I'd say those are the correct 10 choices in a reasonably good order.
3ba11
10-01-2021, 07:27 PM
Dwade continues to be the most overrated player ever
He's underrated because he's a Lebron choke away from 4 chips and 2 FMVP's, which is borderline top 10 caliber
And speaking of modern players - this guy is a futuristic player and looks more modern than anything I've ever seen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUo8skGvl-Q
Snivelball in tears after yet another list ranks LeBron over Kobe.
HBK_Kliq_2
10-01-2021, 07:28 PM
Kawhi outplayed both curry and giannis in 2019 and eliminated them.
Shaq is also pretty much same era as Duncan? Ok I guess at least they have kawhi over shaq I will take it
Can't believe that a guy without a finals mvp made it to the first top five of that list. :ohwell:
3ba11
10-01-2021, 07:31 PM
Snivelball in tears after yet another list ranks LeBron over Kobe.
people don't understand the game, so they don't realize that kobe played a superior WAY that resulted in better teams and higher team ceilings/Finals records with less help.. Otoh, lebron is just a 6'8" Westbrook - his skill restriction to ball-domination causes poor teammate fits and weaker strategy (less ball movement), so his teams have lower team ceilings/Finals records
It's quite simple and intuitive - if you don't understand exactly why Lebron has weaker teams and 4/10 Finals record, then you don't understand the game.. weaker strategy simply loses regardless of who is employing it, aka ball-domination loses regardless of who the ball-dominator is, even a 6'8" westbrook (lebron)
SouBeachTalents
10-01-2021, 07:32 PM
He's underrated because he's a Lebron choke away from 4 chips and 2 FMVP's, which is borderline top 10 caliber
And speaking of modern players - this guy is a futuristic player and looks more modern than anything I've ever seen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUo8skGvl-Q
The guy who can't make a 3 consistently looks more modern than anything you've seen? What an idiot :lol
tpols
10-01-2021, 07:35 PM
The guy who can't make a 3 consistently looks more modern than anything you've seen? What an idiot :lol
I think you need a history lesson my friend.
https://youtu.be/03GT8q3BCZY
Kobe_Bryant
10-01-2021, 07:36 PM
switch 1 and 2 and its... well.. still pretty f*cking stupid. whats "modern"? 2005 onward?
the cut off makes no sense
modern to me means post merger
HBK_Kliq_2
10-01-2021, 07:36 PM
Dwade continues to be the most overrated player ever
I agree
He has less finals mvps, less all nba, less all defensive then kawhi.
And his prime only lasted like 4 years. Give me a break
SouBeachTalents
10-01-2021, 07:38 PM
I think you need a history lesson my friend.
https://youtu.be/03GT8q3BCZY
Nice half a game sample size. Being GOAT's not good enough, we have to pretend Jordan was a good 3 point shooter now :lol
people don't understand the game, so they don't realize that kobe played a superior WAY that resulted in better teams and higher team ceilings/Finals records with less help.. Otoh, lebron is just a 6'8" Westbrook - his skill restriction to ball-domination causes poor teammate fits and weaker strategy (less ball movement), so his teams have lower team ceilings/Finals records
It's quite simple and intuitive - if you don't understand exactly why Lebron has weaker teams and 4/10 Finals record, then you don't understand the game.. weaker strategy simply loses regardless of who is employing it, aka ball-domination loses regardless of who the ball-dominator is, even a 6'8" westbrook (lebron)
Kobe didn’t win more than LeBron. 2002 was literally confirmed as being rigged for the Lakers, Donaghy went to jail over that. Which means they both have 4 legitimate rings. But Kobe won one of those rings as a clear sidekick (2000) and last time I checked 4 is more than 3. LeBron’s way is more successful.
3ba11
10-01-2021, 07:50 PM
The guy who can't make a 3 consistently looks more modern than anything you've seen? What an idiot :lol
No one shoots threes well at bailout volume (less than 1.5 attempts per game) - not even Curry
And Jordan took bailout volume every year except 4 seasons when he shot well from three (90', 93', 96', 97')
So Jordan shot threes well, including 40% on 4 attempts in the 1993 Playoffs and 1992 Finals - that's better than Kawhi's run in 2019.
Ultimately, Jordan had goat jumpshooting form and is the goat 2-point jumpshooter, who would've been an all-time 3-pointer if that was the focus of the era - out of all the goat-tier athletes (Wilt, Dr. J, Lebron, Zion, Kemp, MJ, Giannis, Dominique, etc), only MJ was an all-time jumpshooter at either 2-pointers or 3-pointers - so MJ is the only all-time athlete-shooter in history, aka GOAT.
Kobe_Bryant
10-01-2021, 07:52 PM
Kobe didn’t win more than LeBron. 2002 was literally confirmed as being rigged for the Lakers, Donaghy went to jail over that. Which means they both have 4 legitimate rings. But Kobe won one of those rings as a clear sidekick (2000) and last time I checked 4 is more than 3. LeBron’s way is more successful.
nobody gives my 2001 or 2009 rings any major asterisks. i dominated those playoffs
you can say i shot poorly in game 7 2010 to somehow discredit it
you can say the kings series was rigged in 2002 ( even though they shot more free throws )
you can say my 2000 ring was mostly shaq even though i saved game 7 wcf and game 4 vs indiana
but you can't knock 2001 and 2009
with lebron however
2012 - lockout
2012 - rigged boston series
2012 - colluded with wade and bosh
2013 - bail out
2013 - ray allen collusion
2016 - bail out
2016 - suspension
2016 - colluded with kyrie and love
2020 - bubble
2020 - 5 month break
2020 - no fans
2020 - no travel
2020 - no durant or kyrie cause of blm
2020 - collusion with davis, rondo, howard
No one shoots threes well at bailout volume (less than 1.5 attempts per game) - not even Curry
And Jordan took bailout volume every year except 4 seasons when he shot well from three (90', 93', 96', 97')
So Jordan shot threes well, including 40% on 4 attempts in the 1993 Playoffs and 1992 Finals - that's better than Kawhi's run in 2019.
Ultimately, Jordan had goat jumpshooting form and is the goat 2-point jumpshooter, who would've been an all-time 3-pointer if that was the focus of the era - out of all the goat-tier athletes (Wilt, Dr. J, Lebron, Zion, Kemp, MJ, Giannis, Dominique, etc), only MJ was an all-time jumpshooter at either 2-pointers or 3-pointers - so MJ is the only all-time athlete-shooter in history, aka GOAT.
Yes Jordan is GOAT. LeBron is second and Kobe is like 12th though and that makes you furious.
Kobe_Bryant
10-01-2021, 07:54 PM
Yes Jordan is GOAT. LeBron is second and Kobe is like 12th though and that makes you furious.
if you poll nba players/legends i'm ahead of lebron
tpols
10-01-2021, 07:55 PM
Nice half a game sample size. Being GOAT's not good enough, we have to pretend Jordan was a good 3 point shooter now :lol
BY DESIGN: The Portland Trail Blazers wanted Michael Jordan to shoot from outside, and the Chicago guard made them pay for that strategy with 35 points in the first half of Game 1 of the 1992 NBA Finals.
After days of talk about the colossal Jordan-Drexler matchup, Jordan tiptoed out, determined not to be drawn into a one-on-one duel.
Michael Jordan’s six three-pointers tied the NBA finals record held by the Lakers’ Michael Cooper against Boston in 1987 and the Pistons’ Bill Laimbeer against Portland in 1990.
Jordan played in an era where all players took 90% less 3pt shots. If you dared him to take them he would bury you.
This is in contrast to LeBron where popovich employed the sag strategy and had a big winning record against him in the playoffs as a result.
https://youtu.be/PE5auU7uvwU
SouBeachTalents
10-01-2021, 07:57 PM
nobody gives my 2001 or 2009 rings any major asterisks. i dominated those playoffs
you can say i shot poorly in game 7 2010 to somehow discredit it
you can say the kings series was rigged in 2002 ( even though they shot more free throws )
you can say my 2000 ring was mostly shaq even though i saved game 7 wcf and game 4 vs indiana
but you can't knock 2001 and 2009
with lebron however
2012 - lockout
2012 - rigged boston series
2012 - colluded with wade and bosh
2013 - bail out
2013 - ray allen collusion
2016 - bail out
2016 - suspension
2016 - colluded with kyrie and love
2020 - bubble
2020 - 5 month break
2020 - no fans
2020 - no travel
2020 - no durant or kyrie cause of blm
2020 - collusion with davis, rondo, howard
KG's injury in '09, Celtics very easily could've won that year without it. And you can knock Kobe in '01 for getting outscored by 10 ppg in the Finals by Shaq & Iverson, and if you want to nitpick blowing the Lakers perfect postseason with an atrocious performance in Game 1.
Point being you can apply an asterisk to virtually any title if you try.
KG's injury in '09, Celtics very easily could've won that year without it. And you can knock Kobe in '01 for getting outscored by 10 ppg in the Finals by Shaq & Iverson, and if you want to nitpick blowing the Lakers perfect postseason with an atrocious performance in Game 1.
“Collusion with Rondo and Howard” :roll: :roll: :roll:
Kobe_Bryant
10-01-2021, 08:06 PM
KG's injury in '09, Celtics very easily could've won that year without it. And you can knock Kobe in '01 for getting outscored by 10 ppg in the Finals by Shaq & Iverson, and if you want to nitpick blowing the Lakers perfect postseason with an atrocious performance in Game 1.
Point being you can apply an asterisk to virtually any title if you try.
injuries to other teams aren't valid asterisks cause they happen every year
2000 - duncan
2002 - peja
2003 - me
2004 - malone
2005 - me
2006 - tmac
2007 - shaq
2008 - bynum/ariza
2009 - garnett
2010 - nelson
2011 - me
2012 - rose
2013 - me, rose
2014 - me, rose
2015 - george, kyrie, love
2016 - Bogut, Iggy
2017 - Kawhi
2018 - Kyrie
2019 - Durant, Klay
2020 - Bam, Dragic, Durant
2021 - everyone and their dog
and no i dominated the 2001 playoffs. the finals ppg doesn't trump my playoffs as a whole. even derek fisher said i was the mvp for us. and i was the analytics leader ( i know how much you people love that stuff )
NBAGOAT
10-01-2021, 08:07 PM
This is fine but Giannis and kawhi are maybe too high with so little longevity. Prime wise they’re in the top 10. Nash deserves some consideration along with paul.
Kobe_Bryant
10-01-2021, 08:07 PM
“Collusion with Rondo and Howard” :roll: :roll: :roll:
rondo was their 3rd most important player and howard was basically a co-defensive anchor
3ba11
10-01-2021, 08:10 PM
Jordan played in an era where all players took 90% less 3pt shots. If you dared him to take them he would bury you.
This is in contrast to LeBron where popovich employed the sag strategy and had a big winning record against him in the playoffs as a result.
https://youtu.be/PE5auU7uvwU
wow
Lebron's 2013 Finals was so bad - he averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games while teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit and his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games so Allen forced game 7..
Furthermore, Lebron had a zero plus/minus and negative net rating, so the Heat didn't win with him on the floor.
He averaged 25 on 45% for the series - most overrated Finals ever - played worse than MJ ever did and won the damn title.... :facepalm:
SouBeachTalents
10-01-2021, 08:17 PM
wow
Lebron's 2013 Finals was so bad - he averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games while teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit and his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games so Allen forced game 7..
Furthermore, Lebron had a zero plus/minus and negative net rating, so the Heat didn't win with him on the floor.
He averaged 25 on 45% for the series - most overrated Finals ever - played worse than MJ ever did and won the damn title.... :facepalm:
Kobe averaged 25 on 41% for his CAREER in the Finals :oldlol:
And LeBron's 2013 Finals > Jordan's '96
3ba11
10-01-2021, 08:20 PM
Kobe averaged 25 on 41% for his CAREER in the Finals
That includes 2nd option stats, which are better than Lebron's 2nd option stats (2011 Finals)...
Kobe's 00-02' Finals stats as 2nd option destroy Lebron's 2011
And LeBron's 2013 Finals > Jordan's '96
Thru 3 games
JORDAN.... 31 on 46%... 3-0 lead
LEBRON.... 16 on 39%... 0-3 deficit (nearly, but teammates staved it off)
Jordan's 27 on 42% was sufficient through 6 games to win, while Lebron's 23 on 43% was less and therefore insufficient thru 6 games (needed Ray Allen to force game 7)..
Again, Lebron had a zero plus/minus and negative net rating for the series, so the heat DID NOT WIN with him on the floor in that series
SouBeachTalents
10-01-2021, 08:22 PM
Thru 3 games
JORDAN.... 31 on 46%... 3-0 lead
LEBRON.... 16 on 39%... 0-3 deficit (nearly, but teammates staved it off)
Jordan's 27 on 42% was sufficient through 6 games to win, while Lebron's 23 on 43% was less and therefore insufficient thru 6 games (needed Ray Allen to force game 7)..
Again, Lebron had a zero plus/minus and negative net rating for the series, so the heat DID NOT WIN with him on the floor in that series
Yeah, completely duck the point about Kobe :lol
3ba11
10-01-2021, 08:24 PM
Yeah, completely duck the point about Kobe :lol
I edited the post and added it
Kobe_Bryant
10-01-2021, 08:32 PM
Kobe averaged 25 on 41% for his CAREER in the Finals :oldlol:
And LeBron's 2013 Finals > Jordan's '96
jordan stunk but so did lebron. he shot 29% from outside of 5 feet
and jordan didn't play for the magic with shaq and penny to make it happen
oh yeah and jordan didn't lose the 96 finals only to have a teammate hit a do or die bail out legacy saving shot in an elimination game
gotta put 96 over 2013
and people keep knocking my finals shooting but every perimeter player shot low percentages back then
reggies 2000 finals = 41%fgs
M Jackson 2000 finals = 41% fg's
iversons 2001 finals = 40%fgs
snow 2001 finals = 40%fgs
mckie 2001 finals = 31%fg's
bell 2001 finals = 30%fg's
kidds 2002 finals = 43%fg's
Hamilton 2004 finals = 40%fg's
prince 2004 finals = 38%fg's
pierce 2008 finals = 43%fg's
Rondo 2008 finals = 37%fg's
Alston 2009 finals = 36%fg's
lee 2009 finals = 37%fg's
reddick 2009 finals = 40%fg's
nelson 2009 finals = 34%fg's
pierce 2010 finals = 43%fg's
ray 2010 finals = 36%fg's
tony allen 2010 finals = 33%fg's
this was back when people played defense
plus i had torn up hands/knees/ankles every single series
dankok8
10-01-2021, 08:34 PM
Pretty good list honestly...
Kobe_Bryant
10-01-2021, 08:36 PM
Pretty good list honestly...
so you're basically saying your ISH all time ranking threads are a waste of time
i agree
1987_Lakers
10-01-2021, 08:42 PM
Jordan played in an era where all players took 90% less 3pt shots. If you dared him to take them he would bury you.
He also played a few seasons where they shortened the 3 point line, which inflate his already horrifc 3pt%. In general, MJ was a horrific 3 point shooter. "But players didn't shoot 3s back then". That didn't stop guys like Ainge, D. Curry, Kerr, Reggie, Rice, Ellis etc all have a season where they shot 40% from 3 back then, which in today's NBA would rank among the league's best.
Kobe_Bryant
10-01-2021, 08:47 PM
He also played a few seasons where they shortened the 3 point line, which inflate his already horrifc 3pt%. In general, MJ was a horrific 3 point shooter. "But players didn't shoot 3s back then". That didn't stop guys like Ainge, D. Curry, Kerr, Reggie, Rice, Ellis etc all have a season where they shot 40% from 3 back then, which in today's NBA would rank among the league's best.
you're really gonna talk about a shorter 3 point line when guys dare lebron to shoot threes and jump out of his way on drives
todays game is basically wwe disney on ice globe trotter scripted bullshit lol. nothing about todays basketball is real in any way shape or form
thats why euro players and olympians all say the nba is wack compared to real rules
1987_Lakers
10-01-2021, 08:48 PM
so you're basically saying your ISH all time ranking threads are a waste of time
i agree
Man, Kobe missing the top 10 really ruined you. :oldlol:
Kobe_Bryant
10-01-2021, 08:50 PM
Man, Kobe missing the top 10 really ruined you. :oldlol:
and durants about to miss the top 20 and be separated by 10 spots to curry
https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/fetch/w_736,h_485,c_fill,g_auto,f_auto/https%3A%2F%2Fbluemanhoop.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fgetty-images%2F2017%2F07%2F1039547636-850x560.jpeg
https://www.chicagotribune.com/resizer/7N_1Q0GJJy_Nwt9pmedjVxp9A7I=/1200x0/top/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/37PIVKTHVZG7PFQQDKBYGZVSOU.jpg
1987_Lakers
10-01-2021, 08:54 PM
and durants about to miss the top 20 and be separated by 10 spots to curry
https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/fetch/w_736,h_485,c_fill,g_auto,f_auto/https%3A%2F%2Fbluemanhoop.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fgetty-images%2F2017%2F07%2F1039547636-850x560.jpeg
https://www.chicagotribune.com/resizer/7N_1Q0GJJy_Nwt9pmedjVxp9A7I=/1200x0/top/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/37PIVKTHVZG7PFQQDKBYGZVSOU.jpg
Just shows what type of competition LeBron was going up against in the Finals, two top 20 players of all time in their prime, along with another All-Star and a DPOY candidate. The crazy part is both Curry and Durant are still active and in their prime, both will end up top 15 when they retire, hell both of them may even surpass Kobe. :oldlol:
Meanwhile, Kobe was getting carried by Shaq in his first 3 titles and we all know what happened in his last 2.
https://pm1.narvii.com/6810/22e8ed283e77156759e34b2ac45b8402498a4506v2_hq.jpg
Kobe_Bryant
10-01-2021, 08:58 PM
Just shows what type of competition LeBron was going up against in the Finals, two top 20 players of all time in their prime, along with another All-Star and a DPOY candidate. The crazy part is both Curry and Durant are still active and in their prime, both will end up top 15 when they retire, hell both of them may even surpass Kobe. :oldlol:
Meanwhile, Kobe was getting carried by Shaq in his first 3 titles and we all know what happened in his last 2.
https://pm1.narvii.com/6810/22e8ed283e77156759e34b2ac45b8402498a4506v2_hq.jpg
i went up against duncan in the playoffs 6 times and hes top 7 or so all time
i beat him 4 out of 6 times too. ( 5 out of 6 if horry hits a shot )... far more impressive an accomplishment
and don't bring up shaq cause i carried that fat lard in every series vs san antonio
1987_Lakers
10-01-2021, 09:14 PM
i went up against duncan in the playoffs 6 times and hes top 7 or so all time
i beat him 4 out of 6 times too. ( 5 out of 6 if horry hits a shot )... far more impressive an accomplishment
and don't bring up shaq cause i carried that fat lard in every series vs san antonio
Most of the times Kobe beat Duncan with a prime Shaq right beside him, lmao.
'01 Shaq vs Spurs: 27/13/3 on 51 fg%
'04 Duncan vs Spurs: 23/15 & 4 blocks on 64 fg%
The only bad series Shaq had against the Spurs was in '02, in every other series though Kobe had superstar level help right beside him. You really think San Antonio had a 2nd option that was producing at the same level as Shaq in those series? :lol
What is the "modern era"? Post 2000? If so, Shaq is an obv glaring omission. If it's strictly players post the 50th anniversary list, which I suspect that it is, then I'd say those are the correct 10 choices in a reasonably good order.
This
Yeah, completely duck the point about Kobe :lol
He always runs back to his Jordan pacifier because he can’t actually argue Kobe over LeBron lmao
Kobe_Bryant
10-01-2021, 10:10 PM
Most of the times Kobe beat Duncan with a prime Shaq right beside him, lmao.
'01 Shaq vs Spurs: 27/13/3 on 51 fg%
'04 Duncan vs Spurs: 23/15 & 4 blocks on 64 fg%
The only bad series Shaq had against the Spurs was in '02, in every other series though Kobe had superstar level help right beside him. You really think San Antonio had a 2nd option that was producing at the same level as Shaq in those series? :lol
the only times lebron ever beat anyone was when he was with 2-3 colluded superstars in their prime
i won twice without a superstar sidekick
i win
btw
1999 vs spurs:
me - 21/7/4 on 50%ts ( 35ppg+ offensive production )
shaq - 23/13/0 on 50%ts ( 23ppg offensive production )
2001 vs spurs:
me - 33/7/7 on 57%ts ( 47ppg+ offensive production )
shaq - 27/13/2 on 54%ts ( 31ppg+ offensive production )
2002 vs spurs:
me - 26/5/5 on 48%ts ( 36ppg+ offensive production )
shaq - 21/12/3 on 48%ts ( 27ppg+ offensive production )
2003 vs spurs:
me - 32/5/4 on 53%ts ( 40ppg+ offensive production )
shaq - 25/14/4 on 59%ts (33ppg+ offensive production )
2004 vs spurs:
me - 26/6/6 on 53%ts ( 38ppg+ offensive production )
shaq - 22/14/2 on 60%ts ( 26ppg+ offensive production )
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/NiftyInfantileDormouse-size_restricted.gif
SouBeachTalents
10-01-2021, 10:30 PM
the only times lebron ever beat anyone was when he was with 2-3 colluded superstars in their prime
i won twice without a superstar sidekick
i win
btw
1999 vs spurs:
me - 21/7/4 on 50%ts ( 35ppg+ offensive production )
shaq - 23/13/0 on 50%ts ( 23ppg offensive production )
2001 vs spurs:
me - 33/7/7 on 57%ts ( 47ppg+ offensive production )
shaq - 27/13/2 on 54%ts ( 31ppg+ offensive production )
2002 vs spurs:
me - 26/5/5 on 48%ts ( 36ppg+ offensive production )
shaq - 21/12/3 on 48%ts ( 27ppg+ offensive production )
2003 vs spurs:
me - 32/5/4 on 53%ts ( 40ppg+ offensive production )
shaq - 25/14/4 on 59%ts (33ppg+ offensive production )
2004 vs spurs:
me - 26/6/6 on 53%ts ( 38ppg+ offensive production )
shaq - 22/14/2 on 60%ts ( 26ppg+ offensive production )
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/NiftyInfantileDormouse-size_restricted.gif
Let's see the non Spurs series from that timeframe as well
LeBron having two superstars in 2020 is the most insane thing I’ve ever heard. Almost as insane is claiming 2016 injured finals Love was anything helpful against the Warriors.
SouBeachTalents
10-01-2021, 10:32 PM
LeBron having two superstars in 2020 is the most insane thing I’ve ever heard.
Him having two superstars in 2013 is even worse
Him having two superstars in 2013 is even worse
No it’s not, his 3rd best teammate in 2020 was either the corpse of Rajon Rondo or Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. Say what you want about Bosh but he’s a lot better than those guys.
SouBeachTalents
10-01-2021, 10:38 PM
No it’s not, his 3rd best teammate in 2020 was either the corpse of Rajon Rondo or Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. Say what you want about Bosh but he’s a lot better than those guys.
At least AD was one though
AussieSteve
10-01-2021, 10:44 PM
I agree
He has less finals mvps, less all nba, less all defensive then kawhi.
And his prime only lasted like 4 years. Give me a break
He was a better player than kawhi tho.
Kobe_Bryant
10-01-2021, 10:56 PM
Him having two superstars in 2013 is even worse
wade and bosh are hall of famers and were in their absolute primes when lebron joined them. their stats only suffered because lebrons a ball hog and likes hitting 3 point shooting role players with assists so a guy like wade would just sit around watching whenever lebron had the ball. wade was there for clutch shots and defense. to just say he wasn't a superstar cause he took a step back for the betterment of the team is just ridiculous. wade is arguably a top 3 shooting guard of all time
Kobe_Bryant
10-01-2021, 10:58 PM
LeBron having two superstars in 2020 is the most insane thing I’ve ever heard. Almost as insane is claiming 2016 injured finals Love was anything helpful against the Warriors.
AD literally just got done averaging nearly 30ppg in a title winning playoff run a year and a half ago and westbrook literally just averaged a 20 point triple double for a season ( for a 4th time ) and dragged a shit wizards team to the playoffs
they're both superstars and house hold names and 1st ballot hall of famers
SouBeachTalents
10-01-2021, 11:03 PM
wade and bosh are hall of famers and were in their absolute primes when lebron joined them. their stats only suffered because lebrons a ball hog and likes hitting 3 point shooting role players with assists so a guy like wade would just sit around watching whenever lebron had the ball. wade was there for clutch shots and defense. to just say he wasn't a superstar cause he took a step back for the betterment of the team is just ridiculous. wade is arguably a top 3 shooting guard of all time
Wade averaged 16 ppg on 50%TS in the 2013 playoffs. On no planet is that considered superstar production. Sure, he and LeBron were not an ideal fit, but he was clearly not the player he was even 2 years prior.
Kobe_Bryant
10-01-2021, 11:06 PM
Wade averaged 16 ppg on 50%TS in the 2013 playoffs. On no planet is that considered superstar production. Sure, he and LeBron were not an ideal fit, but he was clearly not the player he was even 2 years prior.
i suppose larry bird wasn't a superstar in 1981
stacked teams usually have some guys dialing it back a bit
i bet AD averages like 19-20ppg this year and hes capable of 30ppg
Kobe_Bryant
10-01-2021, 11:20 PM
btw i just checked and wade averaged around 20ppg in the finals in 2013
i think the fact that he averaged 15ppg for the playoffs just shows how easy and weak the eastern conference was
Taurus
10-01-2021, 11:41 PM
Honestly the list is pretty solid if Shaq isn't included in whatever they define as the "modern era"
KD and Curry are interchangeable imo. People on this forum always seem to act as if one is definitively better or higher up on the all time rankings than the other, but for me it's a toss-up. Same thing applies to KG and Dirk
Him having two superstars in 2013 is even worse
Omfg why is it like this is the first time i've seen you respond back to that guy when he often reacts to your posts :ohwell:
HoopsNY
10-02-2021, 10:36 AM
Wanna fight about it?
Feel free.
Im about to eat what I suspect will be a mediocre dinner of what this diner calls calabash chicken….Ive never known exactly what that is….
KG continues to be overrated. Wade > KG and probably even Giannis given what he has accomplished up to the age of 26.
MadDog
10-02-2021, 11:37 AM
so you're basically saying your ISH all time ranking threads are a waste of time
i agree
The OP are modern players, einstein.
Point-Forward
10-02-2021, 02:01 PM
What is the "modern era"? Post 2000? If so, Shaq is an obv glaring omission. If it's strictly players post the 50th anniversary list, which I suspect that it is, then I'd say those are the correct 10 choices in a reasonably good order.
I agree with this post.
Although I'm not sure if I would rank Durant over KG. There's solid arguments to be made for both players.
Overdrive
10-02-2021, 02:02 PM
and no i dominated the 2001 playoffs. the finals ppg doesn't trump my playoffs as a whole. even derek fisher said i was the mvp for us. and i was the analytics leader ( i know how much you people love that stuff )
If the finals don't matter every single of Lebron's playoff runs is better than Kobe's best.
What is the "modern era"? Post 2000? If so, Shaq is an obv glaring omission. If it's strictly players post the 50th anniversary list, which I suspect that it is, then I'd say those are the correct 10 choices in a reasonably good order.
I finally decided to look this up, and that is exactly what the list is, post 50th anniversary.
Top 25 since '96 finale: The top-5 greatest modern NBA players
theScore Staff
"It's been a quarter century since the NBA celebrated its 50th anniversary by naming the top 50 players in league history. To mark the latest milestone, theScore's basketball news editors voted for the top-25 players since the original list debuted.
Reminder: players on the original list were ineligible for inclusion - so no Michael Jordan, Shaq, or anyone else who continued to star beyond 1996. Second, players who debuted before 1996 were eligible, but they needed to have made an impact over the last 25 years."
https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/2197346
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.5 Copyright © 2024 vBulletin Solutions Inc. All rights reserved.