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Nowitness
10-01-2021, 09:08 PM
We all know winning a ring is hard enough, but winning a ring as your teams only star is even harder. With that said, does the below list of title runs where the lone superstar didn’t have an All-NBA teammate surprise you?

Tim Duncan x 4
Magic Johnson x 2
Larry Bird x 2
Michael Jordan x 1
Kareem x1
LeBron James x 1

Shaq, Kobe, KD, Curry, Moses never did it. Also, the All-NBA third team didn’t come around until 1988-89, so it’s likely if there were always 3 teams a lot of the old timers have less titles without an All-NBA teammate.

This to me proves Duncan’s help was vastly overrated

ELITEpower23
10-01-2021, 09:11 PM
In the 2016 Finals LeBron beat three All NBAs with having zero All NBA teammates. This has happened in the Finals...

One time ever :pimp:

But yes, Duncan is underrated for those not comfortably slotting him in the top 8

Kobe_Bryant
10-01-2021, 10:17 PM
In the 2016 Finals LeBron beat three All NBAs with having zero All NBA teammates. This has happened in the Finals...

One time ever :pimp:

But yes, Duncan is underrated for those not comfortably slotting him in the top 8


what does regular season awards have to do with how good a guy is in the playoffs or overall

kyrie missed 30 games in 2016 so he couldn't make an all nba team... then averaged 27ppg in the finals and hit the series winning shot. he outperformed the warriors best player curry for the series


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DA4wZhwXkAAfRFi.jpg:large

Kobe_Bryant
10-01-2021, 10:24 PM
also its arguable that manu ginobili was the 2005 finals mvp but due to him coming off the bench all season he couldn't be an all nba player

manu averaged 20ppg in the 4 spurs victories and was the team leader in assists. and parker wasn't even all nba when he won finals mvp.. neither was kawhi in 2014 when he won mvp.

and magic played with 5 hall of famers at a time so they all had to sacrifice. ditto with bird

NBAGOAT
10-01-2021, 10:25 PM
Don’t forget Giannis. Khris was pretty great in the playoffs however, scored 24ppg

Kobe_Bryant
10-01-2021, 10:25 PM
the one guy that should be talked about ( hakeem in 94 ) isn't even part of this list lol

SouBeachTalents
10-01-2021, 10:27 PM
I'm assuming if the 3rd Team was around Magic, Bird & Kareem would be off the list. You also missed a ton of players

Frazier
Hondo
Barry
Walton
Hakeem
Dirk
Giannis

Kobe_Bryant
10-01-2021, 10:37 PM
gasol in 7 years didn't make an all nba 1st, 2nd or 3rd team


then suddenly with me he makes

2008-09 All-NBA (3rd)
2009-10 All-NBA (3rd)
2010-11 All-NBA (2nd)



being in LA and being my teammate got him votes. period


no way a 17-18ppg sidekick shoulda been making those teams with guys in the nba like duncan, KG, Dirk, lebron, dwight, pierce, carmelo, Amare, granger, durant, bosh, aldridge, yao, blake etc...

SouBeachTalents
10-01-2021, 10:39 PM
gasol in 7 years didn't make an all nba 1st, 2nd or 3rd team


then suddenly with me he makes

2008-09 All-NBA (3rd)
2009-10 All-NBA (3rd)
2010-11 All-NBA (2nd)
2014-15 All-NBA (2nd)


being in LA and being my teammate got him votes. period


no way a 17-18ppg sidekick shoulda been making those teams with guys in the nba like duncan, KG, Dirk, lebron, dwight, pierce, carmelo, Amare, granger, durant, bosh, aldridge, yao, blake etc...
Gasol was easily a top 10-15 player during those titles years, so it's really not that surprising :lol

GrayGoat
10-01-2021, 10:40 PM
MJ and Kobe stans in shambles

Kobe_Bryant
10-01-2021, 10:50 PM
Gasol was easily a top 10-15 player during those titles years, so it's really not that surprising :lol

are you f*cking retarded


- Myself Kobe Bean Bryant
- Tim Duncan
- Dirk Nowitzki
- Kevin Garnett
- Lebron James
- Dwyane Wade
- Kevin Durant
- Carmelo Anthony
- Chris Paul
- Chris Bosh
- Dwight Howard
- Paul Pierce
- Ray Allen
- Danny Granger
- Brandon Roy
- Tony Parker
- Vince Carter
- David West
- Yao Ming
- Lamarcus Aldridge
- Blake Griffin
- Chauncey Billups
- Steve Nash
- Amare Stoudemire
- Monta Ellis
- Joe Johnson
- Deron Williams
- Manu Ginobili

1987_Lakers
10-01-2021, 10:58 PM
are you f*cking retarded


- Myself Kobe Bean Bryant
- Tim Duncan
- Dirk Nowitzki
- Kevin Garnett
- Lebron James
- Dwyane Wade
- Kevin Durant
- Carmelo Anthony
- Chris Paul
- Chris Bosh
- Dwight Howard
- Paul Pierce
- Ray Allen
- Danny Granger
- Brandon Roy
- Tony Parker
- Vince Carter
- David West
- Yao Ming
- Lamarcus Aldridge
- Blake Griffin
- Chauncey Billups
- Steve Nash
- Amare Stoudemire
- Monta Ellis
- Joe Johnson
- Deron Williams
- Manu Ginobili

Blake Griffin didn't play a single game in the NBA in 2009 & 2010, I'm sorry, but the retard is yourself.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CircularAncientEnglishpointer-size_restricted.gif

Throwing Joe Johnson and Monta Ellis in there is extra comical.

k0kakw0rld
10-01-2021, 11:04 PM
In the 2016 Finals LeBron beat three All NBAs with having zero All NBA teammates. This has happened in the Finals...

One time ever :pimp:

But yes, Duncan is underrated for those not comfortably slotting him in the top 8
Duncan is top 5 all time.

Kobe_Bryant
10-01-2021, 11:04 PM
Blake Griffin didn't play a single game in the NBA in 2009 & 2010, I'm sorry, but the retard is yourself.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CircularAncientEnglishpointer-size_restricted.gif

Throwing Joe Johnson and Monta Ellis in there is extra comical.

i forgot to take him out. thought it was about who was better during his all nba years. i guess if its just 09 and 10 pau jumps from around 30th to 25th

Axe
10-01-2021, 11:53 PM
In the 2016 Finals LeBron beat three All NBAs with having zero All NBA teammates. This has happened in the Finals...

One time ever :pimp:

But yes, Duncan is underrated for those not comfortably slotting him in the top 8
This. 73-9 got blown away like a bubble.

HBK_Kliq_2
10-01-2021, 11:59 PM
David Robinson: 10

Manu: 2

Tony Parker: 4

Kawhi Leonard: 5

That's why this stat can mislead you. Duncan played with 21 all nba team guys spreaded between 4 players. By the time kawhi career is done, it will be like 28 all nba total selections between teammates.

Conclusion: Duncan was the most privileged overrated piece of shit in NBA history. Never an all time great offense player and couldn't even average 25 points during any of his rings. You can't be in the top 10 when every other guy is like 5 tiers ahead of you offensively.

HylianNightmare
10-02-2021, 04:24 AM
Kobe_Bryabt in here slaying

Nowitness
10-02-2021, 06:12 AM
David Robinson: 10

Manu: 2

Tony Parker: 4

Kawhi Leonard: 5

That's why this stat can mislead you. Duncan played with 21 all nba team guys spreaded between 4 players. By the time kawhi career is done, it will be like 28 all nba total selections between teammates.

Conclusion: Duncan was the most privileged overrated piece of shit in NBA history. Never an all time great offense player and couldn't even average 25 points during any of his rings. You can't be in the top 10 when every other guy is like 5 tiers ahead of you offensively.

Didn’t dispute he had All-NBA teammates throughout his career, but why was it for his first 4 titles none of them made it? Is it because when he won those 4 HOF players was mostly either well before or well after their prime?

In a vacuum Duncan wasn’t all time on offence, but he still carried offences to a title so what’s the difference? Winning a title averaging 25 PPG in one of the slower eras, playing on the slowest team when your next best scorer was 14 PPG on 39% shooting is carrying an awful offence to a title, all whilst being his teams best playmaker and best defender in the league.

Nowitness
10-02-2021, 06:16 AM
also its arguable that manu ginobili was the 2005 finals mvp but due to him coming off the bench all season he couldn't be an all nba player

manu averaged 20ppg in the 4 spurs victories and was the team leader in assists. and parker wasn't even all nba when he won finals mvp.. neither was kawhi in 2014 when he won mvp.

and magic played with 5 hall of famers at a time so they all had to sacrifice. ditto with bird

Just to be clear, Manu averaging 19/6/4 whilst having wide open shots due to Duncan getting constant doubles from Ben Wallace and Rasheed Wallace whilst being guarded by Rip Hamilton and playing average defence was more impactful than Duncan’s 21/14/2/2, whilst being constantly doubled, playing all-time defence and running the offence?

Don’t think you’ve ever watched basketball.

HoopsNY
10-02-2021, 10:19 AM
The only reason Kyrie wasn't All-NBA in 2016 was because he missed 30 games.

ArbitraryWater
10-02-2021, 10:42 AM
Blake Griffin didn't play a single game in the NBA in 2009 & 2010, I'm sorry, but the retard is yourself.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CircularAncientEnglishpointer-size_restricted.gif

Throwing Joe Johnson and Monta Ellis in there is extra comical.


:roll::roll::roll:

rmt
10-02-2021, 12:07 PM
David Robinson: 10

Manu: 2

Tony Parker: 4

Kawhi Leonard: 5

That's why this stat can mislead you. Duncan played with 21 all nba team guys spreaded between 4 players. By the time kawhi career is done, it will be like 28 all nba total selections between teammates.

Conclusion: Duncan was the most privileged overrated piece of shit in NBA history. Never an all time great offense player and couldn't even average 25 points during any of his rings. You can't be in the top 10 when every other guy is like 5 tiers ahead of you offensively.

Are you deliberately being hateful or what? You're crediting Duncan with All NBA selections that Kawhi has NOT EVEN WON YET or got after Duncan retired? smh

The thread is about TITLE RUNS without an All-NBA teammate.

iamgine
10-02-2021, 12:25 PM
We all know winning a ring is hard enough, but winning a ring as your teams only star is even harder. With that said, does the below list of title runs where the lone superstar didn’t have an All-NBA teammate surprise you?

Tim Duncan x 4
Magic Johnson x 2
Larry Bird x 2
Michael Jordan x 1
Kareem x1
LeBron James x 1

Shaq, Kobe, KD, Curry, Moses never did it. Also, the All-NBA third team didn’t come around until 1988-89, so it’s likely if there were always 3 teams a lot of the old timers have less titles without an All-NBA teammate.

This to me proves Duncan’s help was vastly overrated

You have to consider strength of opponent too. For example, how many all NBA his opponent had.

Nowitness
10-02-2021, 01:37 PM
You have to consider strength of opponent too. For example, how many all NBA his opponent had.

In 2003 he faced Shaq/Kobe (1st team), Dirk/Kidd (2nd team), and Nash/Marbury (3rd team). So faced x 6 All-NBA opponents with none on his team.

Stephonit
10-02-2021, 01:37 PM
Silly measure. Rewards underperformance in the regular season.

Curry realistically should be one of the most impressive in the category of championship runs with inexperienced teammates. The 2015 67-win Warriors, however, simply won too many times to be denied more than one All-NBA representative.

3ba11
10-02-2021, 01:38 PM
what does regular season awards have to do with how good a guy is in the playoffs or overall

kyrie missed 30 games in 2016 so he couldn't make an all nba team... then averaged 27ppg in the finals and hit the series winning shot. he outperformed the warriors best player curry for the series


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DA4wZhwXkAAfRFi.jpg:large


Wow, so imagine if Pau went to the 2008 Finals and destroyed Paul Pierce - lebron infact had MORE help than that because Kyrie destroyed a league MVP (the only unanimous one in history - Curry was the whole reason they won 73 games and Kyrie destroyed that)

Nowitness
10-02-2021, 01:41 PM
Silly measure. Rewards underperformance in the regular season.

Curry realistically should be one of the most impressive in the category of championship runs with inexperienced teammates. The 2015 67-win Warriors, however, simply won too many times to be denied more than one All-NBA representative.


22/3/3/1/1 on 46/44/88 splits with elite wing D is more than worthy of an All-NBA team.

Duncan won 60 games in 03, so why not multiple All-NBA players. Isit because unlike the 15 Warriors no one bar Duncan was even a top 35 player?

Stephonit
10-02-2021, 02:24 PM
22/3/3/1/1 on 46/44/88 splits with elite wing D is more than worthy of an All-NBA team.

Duncan won 60 games in 03, so why not multiple All-NBA players. Isit because unlike the 15 Warriors no one bar Duncan was even a top 35 player?

You think Manu Ginobili who led his country's team to an Olympic gold over Team USA wasn't a top 35 player?

Nowitness
10-02-2021, 06:45 PM
You think Manu Ginobili who led his country's team to an Olympic gold over Team USA wasn't a top 35 player?

In 2003, when he played 36 MPG and averaged 9 PPG with average defence and no playmaking? Nah, he wasn’t close to a top 35 player, the **** are you smoking?

HBK_Kliq_2
10-02-2021, 06:59 PM
Didn’t dispute he had All-NBA teammates throughout his career, but why was it for his first 4 titles none of them made it? Is it because when he won those 4 HOF players was mostly either well before or well after their prime?

In a vacuum Duncan wasn’t all time on offence, but he still carried offences to a title so what’s the difference? Winning a title averaging 25 PPG in one of the slower eras, playing on the slowest team when your next best scorer was 14 PPG on 39% shooting is carrying an awful offence to a title, all whilst being his teams best playmaker and best defender in the league.

Nope, just a coincidence. Manu in 2005 had arguably his best season and was the best player in the world during the playoffs. He made the allstar team that season but didn't make the all nba for whatever reason. Parker was also just as good as he ever was in 2007 and won finals MVP. 2003 was the only year but again he had three hall of famers on his team in Parker\Manu\Robinson.

Shaq was in the same exact era as Duncan and averaged 30 points per game over the span of 3 titles.

Nowitness
10-02-2021, 07:09 PM
Nope, just a coincidence. Manu in 2005 had arguably his best season and was the best player in the world during the playoffs. He made the allstar team that season but didn't make the all nba for whatever reason. Parker was also just as good as he ever was in 2007 and won finals MVP. 2003 was the only year but again he had three hall of famers on his team in Parker\Manu\Robinson.

Shaq was in the same exact era as Duncan and averaged 30 points per game over the span of 3 titles.

So to be clear, Shaq averaging 30 with average D and a teammate putting up 25/30 PPG is better than 25 PPG with all time defence and his next best teammate putting up 15 PPG?

Cut your shit, Manu the best player in 2005. For one playoff series when Duncan was getting doubled constantly and still playing all time defence? Context is key.

Was or wasn’t 2003 an offensive carry? And if it wasn’t, please elaborate, because scoring 11 more PPG in a slow era on the slowest team whilst also being the teams best passer sounds like a carry to me

rmt
10-02-2021, 07:21 PM
Some here would use honors from teammates' entire career (and in HBK's case for Kawhi - a future that hasn't happened yet or for DRob - honors before TD even stepped foot on an NBA court) to cover all rings - ignoring how they were playing that title year/playoff.

Nowitness
10-02-2021, 07:25 PM
Some here would use honors from teammates' entire career (and in HBK's case for Kawhi - a future that hasn't happened yet or for DRob - honors before TD even stepped foot on an NBA court) to cover all rings - ignoring how they were playing that title year/playoff.

This.

By that standard how did Kobe not win titles with teams consisting of Shaq/Malone/Payton and Howard/Nash/Gasol?

It’s because with others we give context. With Duncan how Robinson played in 1993 was apparently the way he played in 2003, or the way Parker/Manu played in 2013 was the way they played in 2003 when it clearly wasn’t

iamgine
10-02-2021, 07:34 PM
In 2003 he faced Shaq/Kobe (1st team), Dirk/Kidd (2nd team), and Nash/Marbury (3rd team). So faced x 6 All-NBA opponents with none on his team.

Other years?

HBK_Kliq_2
10-02-2021, 07:35 PM
So to be clear, Shaq averaging 30 with average D and a teammate putting up 25/30 PPG is better than 25 PPG with all time defence and his next best teammate putting up 15 PPG?

Cut your shit, Manu the best player in 2005. For one playoff series when Duncan was getting doubled constantly and still playing all time defence? Context is key.

Was or wasn’t 2003 an offensive carry? And if it wasn’t, please elaborate, because scoring 11 more PPG in a slow era on the slowest team whilst also being the teams best passer sounds like a carry to me

Shaq in 2000 was +10PPG over Kobe, just like Duncan was +10PPG over Parker in 2003.

The difference is Shaq has averaged 30 in multiple titles and 28 in another title. While Duncan has never even averaged 25PPG and was even in the low 20's during his 99\05\07 titles. Duncan is generally a Scottie Pippen level scorer, while Shaq is Jordan.

Shaq is an elite alltime great offensive player, Duncan is just a good offensive player.

Manu's advanced stats in the entire 2005 playoffs crush Duncan and he led the playoff in VORP.

rmt
10-02-2021, 07:35 PM
David Robinson: 10

Manu: 2

Tony Parker: 4

Kawhi Leonard: 5

That's why this stat can mislead you. Duncan played with 21 all nba team guys spreaded between 4 players. By the time kawhi career is done, it will be like 28 all nba total selections between teammates.

Conclusion: Duncan was the most privileged overrated piece of shit in NBA history. Never an all time great offense player and couldn't even average 25 points during any of his rings. You can't be in the top 10 when every other guy is like 5 tiers ahead of you offensively.

If I were to do the same stupid thing you just did, Kawhi has already played with 43 All nba team mates - without counting the ones in the future for Paul George.

Duncan: 15
Parker: 4
Manu: 2
Lowry: 1
Marc Gasol: 2
Pau Gasol: 4
Paul George: 6
Alridge: 5
Rondo: 1
Cousins: 2
Siakim: 1

HBK_Kliq_2
10-02-2021, 07:42 PM
Some here would use honors from teammates' entire career (and in HBK's case for Kawhi - a future that hasn't happened yet or for DRob - honors before TD even stepped foot on an NBA court) to cover all rings - ignoring how they were playing that title year/playoff.

Robinson was a 3rd team in 2000 and 2001, he was even better in 1999.

Parker was 2nd team in 2014 and kawhi was finals MVP

Manu was allstar in 2005 and should of been finals mvp

2003 was an exception because Webber\Dirk got hurt but parker or manu were still better then Kenyon Martin.

HBK_Kliq_2
10-02-2021, 07:43 PM
This.

By that standard how did Kobe not win titles with teams consisting of Shaq/Malone/Payton and Howard/Nash/Gasol?

It’s because with others we give context. With Duncan how Robinson played in 1993 was apparently the way he played in 2003, or the way Parker/Manu played in 2013 was the way they played in 2003 when it clearly wasn’t

Kobe made the finals in 2004, Howard\Nash\Gasol he got injured.

You can't really knock Manu\Parker for their lack of stats when Duncan can't even average 25 points, he wasn't a high volume scorer.

HBK_Kliq_2
10-02-2021, 07:45 PM
If I were to do the same stupid thing you just did, Kawhi has already played with 43 All nba team mates - without counting the ones in the future for Paul George.

Duncan: 15
Parker: 4
Manu: 2
Lowry: 1
Marc Gasol: 2
Pau Gasol: 4
Paul George: 6
Alridge: 5
Rondo: 1
Cousins: 2
Siakim: 1

Duncan played with prime Robinson in 1999 and then played with Parker\Manu their entire careers.

None of these guys you listed were in their primes besides Lowry\Siakam who have a combined 2 all nba teams hahahaha

Nowitness
10-02-2021, 07:54 PM
Shaq in 2000 was +10PPG over Kobe, just like Duncan was +10PPG over Parker in 2003.

The difference is Shaq has averaged 30 in multiple titles and 28 in another title. While Duncan has never even averaged 25PPG and was even in the low 20's during his 99\05\07 titles. Duncan is generally a Scottie Pippen level scorer, while Shaq is Jordan.

Shaq is an elite alltime great offensive player, Duncan is just a good offensive player.

I’m still not evening arguing in a vacuum. Did it did Duncan not carry the 03 Spurs offensively?
Manu's advanced stats in the entire 2005 playoffs crush Duncan and he led the playoff in VORP.

I love how you’re completely ignoring the defensive side of the ball. So again 30 PPG with average D is better than 25 POG and all time defence?

Kobe’s stats in 2000 are worse because he was injured, but even then Kobe was an All-NBA defender. Did Duncan have an All-NBA or All-NBA defender in 2000? Cause Shaq had both

Carbine
10-02-2021, 08:37 PM
If you think Robinson in '99 was Prime Robinson you would be mistaken

Hey Yo
10-02-2021, 08:37 PM
Nope, just a coincidence. Manu in 2005 had arguably his best season and was the best player in the world during the playoffs. He made the allstar team that season but didn't make the all nba for whatever reason. Parker was also just as good as he ever was in 2007 and won finals MVP. 2003 was the only year but again he had three hall of famers on his team in Parker\Manu\Robinson.

Shaq was in the same exact era as Duncan and averaged 30 points per game over the span of 3 titles.

Parker and Manu already had HOF careers in 2003??




dumb

Nowitness
08-11-2022, 09:28 AM
Curry is now on the list

TheGoatest
08-11-2022, 09:38 AM
Over half a decade later, I still cannot believe this happened:

https://images4.imagebam.com/3d/4b/8e/MEC73E7_o.png

Against a 73-9 team. :applause:
While being the only player ever to lead both teams in all 5 categories in any playoff, let alone finals series. :eek:
What a friggin beast! :rockon:

Xiao Yao You
08-11-2022, 11:47 AM
If you think Robinson in '99 was Prime Robinson you would be mistaken

wasn't even a star anymore. Nice role player

dankok8
08-11-2022, 12:35 PM
wasn't even a star anymore. Nice role player

in 1999 Robinson was still a star.

TheGoatest
08-11-2022, 12:57 PM
1999 Robinson wasn't a superstar like he was some 3 years earlier, but he was a star.
In any case, he was an all-star in both 1998 and 2000, so it would've been highly odd if he hadn't been an all-star in 1999 as well, had there been an all-star game.
He had the fifth best playoffs defensive rating ever in the Spurs' 1999 championship run.

Nowitness
08-17-2022, 07:54 AM
1999 Robinson wasn't a superstar like he was some 3 years earlier, but he was a star.
In any case, he was an all-star in both 1998 and 2000, so it would've been highly odd if he hadn't been an all-star in 1999 as well, had there been an all-star game.
He had the fifth best playoffs defensive rating ever in the Spurs' 1999 championship run.

There is a huge difference between an All-Star player and All-NBA player tho.

All-Star means for half a season you were one of the 26-32 best players

All-NBA means for a full season you were one of the 15 best.

Not only that, but Robinson proved time and time again he wasn't capable of being the best player on a true contender, at the very least the best offensive player.

You can make an argument 1999 Robinson was the best help Duncan had for a title run, which proves Duncan's greatness, because every other top 10 player has had far better than that.

bison
08-17-2022, 03:17 PM
LeBron James x 1 (2016)


No Irving, no third ring

kawhileonard2
08-17-2022, 10:24 PM
what does regular season awards have to do with how good a guy is in the playoffs or overall

kyrie missed 30 games in 2016 so he couldn't make an all nba team... then averaged 27ppg in the finals and hit the series winning shot. he outperformed the warriors best player curry for the series


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DA4wZhwXkAAfRFi.jpg:large

This.

light
08-18-2022, 12:03 AM
We all know winning a ring is hard enough, but winning a ring as your teams only star is even harder. With that said, does the below list of title runs where the lone superstar didn’t have an All-NBA teammate surprise you?

Tim Duncan x 4
Magic Johnson x 2
Larry Bird x 2
Michael Jordan x 1
Kareem x1
LeBron James x 1

Shaq, Kobe, KD, Curry, Moses never did it. Also, the All-NBA third team didn’t come around until 1988-89, so it’s likely if there were always 3 teams a lot of the old timers have less titles without an All-NBA teammate.

This to me proves Duncan’s help was vastly overrated

Title Runs Without An All-Defensive Teammate

LeBron James x3 -------- Anthony Davis is the only All-Defensive teammate LeBron has ever had
Tim Duncan x1 -------- Remember Bruce Bowen and Kawhi Leonard?
Michael Jordan x0 -------- Pippen was All-Defensive for all 6 Bulls championships, Horace Grant and Dennis Rodman also made All-Defensive during their runs

Duncan actually had a lot of help because he not only had All-Defensive wizards in guys like Bowen and Kawhi, but he also had Hall of Fame teammates in Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili, to say nothing of David Robinson. And then there's Pop, maybe the greatest head coach ever.

John8204
08-18-2022, 02:57 AM
I'm assuming if the 3rd Team was around Magic, Bird & Kareem would be off the list. You also missed a ton of players

Frazier
Hondo
Barry
Walton
Hakeem
Dirk
Giannis

You got most of them...you only missed three...

Bob Davies
Joe Dumars
Kwahi Leonard

Nowitness
08-18-2022, 08:01 AM
Title Runs Without An All-Defensive Teammate

LeBron James x3 -------- Anthony Davis is the only All-Defensive teammate LeBron has ever had
Tim Duncan x1 -------- Remember Bruce Bowen and Kawhi Leonard?
Michael Jordan x0 -------- Pippen was All-Defensive for all 6 Bulls championships, Horace Grant and Dennis Rodman also made All-Defensive during their runs

Duncan actually had a lot of help because he not only had All-Defensive wizards in guys like Bowen and Kawhi, but he also had Hall of Fame teammates in Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili, to say nothing of David Robinson. And then there's Pop, maybe the greatest head coach ever.

Pop is 13 games over .500 without Duncan, he isn't close the best coach ever.

That same 'greatest coach ever' said Bowen would have been unplayable due to his negative offensive ability had Duncan not drawn a double team consistently leaving him wide open.

Kawhi wasn't even an All-Star caliber player until 2016, he wasn't elite help for Tim.

If you're idea of help is someone who makes the HOF, then LeBron has had more than almost anyone.

Tim had the weakest help for any all time great, without question.

Hey Yo
08-18-2022, 12:15 PM
The only reason Kyrie wasn't All-NBA in 2016 was because he missed 30 games.

Pippen missed 38gms in 1998 and was still named All-NBA on both ends of the court

Nowitness
01-18-2023, 11:34 AM
Giannis is also on this list now.