More than 65% of the unvaccinated don't need a vaccine

[Bronbron23]

Lets do some simple math and apply common sense and the science to the numbers.

There's 145,000,000 peoole not vaccinated in the us. Out of those people roughly 20 million people had covid and have the antibodies so they're more protected than the vaccinated so they don't need them. I got 20 million because 43 million people already had covid but 60% of those people in theory had the vaccine because the us is 60% vaccinated. 50 million are children under 12 who can't get it and don't need it even if they could because they're at such a low risk. Another 25 million are teenagers and young adults who are extremely low risk and don't need it. I got 25 million because there's 60 million people between the ages of 12 and 30 and that age group is about 50% vaccinated so i divided that number by 2 to get the unvaxed in that age group. Then i took the 30,000,000 and divided that by 12% because about 12% of the population already had covid so i estimated.

So if we add the 20m covid patients, 50m children under 12 and 25m young adults and teenagers you get 95,000,000 out of 145,000,000 that don't need the vaccine. That's not even counting the millions in between 30 and 50 that are healthy and extremely low risk but i'll leave that out for now. That's 66% of the unvaccinated that don't need it so why are they pushing so hard to get everyone vaccinated?

[warriorfan]

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Good post though.

[Bronbron23]

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Good post though.

Yeah money is the obvious one. Control or just or just plain incompetence is the other possibilities

[tontoz]

Or maybe it's because 8700 people 54 and under died from covid in August with no other conditions listed.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm


We also don't know how long natural immunity lasts because cases are different, not to mention that in some cases COVID causes lasting damage.

[tontoz]

Ohio health care workers warn of 'astronomical' COVID-19 pediatric surge
Ohio has the country's second highest total of pediatric COVID hospitalizations.

Although coronavirus-related hospitalizations are beginning to trend down nationally among all age groups, the rate of pediatric infections remains at an "exceptionally high" level, according to experts.





https://abcnews.go.com/Health/ohio-health-care-workers-warn-astronomical-covid-19/story?id=80309375


Kids aren't risk free.

[LAL]

Imagine being tontoz.

[tontoz]

Imagine being tontoz.


Or imagine being one of the people who thought they didnt need the vaccine and wound up dying.

Do you think all the people who died in the last few months thought they were high risk.

[tpols]

Imagine being tontoz.

DOCTOR Tontoz.

Thank you very much.

[Bronbron23]

Or maybe it's because 8700 people 54 and under died from covid in August with no other conditions listed.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm


We also don't know how long natural immunity lasts because cases are different, not to mention that in some cases COVID causes lasting damage.

Yup but how many of those 8700 fall in the unhealthy category. Smart money says a shit ton of them.

That said I'm not against vaccines. I think if your over 40 you should seriously consider getting the vaccine. I think if your under 40 and unhealthy you should seriously consider getting the vaccine. There's reasons why people should get them and there's reasons why people don't need to. It varies from person to person.

[Bronbron23]

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/ohio-health-care-workers-warn-astronomical-covid-19/story?id=80309375


Kids aren't risk free.

No they aren't risk free but they aren't risk free from alot of things. That's life man. They are however an extremely low risk. They aren't at risk enough to have to force vaccines on them but if they or their parents want them to have it that's fine. That's their decision.

[Bronbron23]

Or imagine being one of the people who thought they didnt need the vaccine and wound up dying.

Do you think all the people who died in the last few months thought they were high risk.

No but who's fault is that? If the government media and cdc weren't so damn incompetent they would of informed people better. They would told people tge truth. That this was a pandemic of the old and unhealthy. Instead they made the shit sound like it random and anyone could die just as much as the next person. You don't want to admit but the government, media and cdc screwed this up from jump.

[tontoz]

No but who's fault is that? If the government media and cdc weren't so damn incompetent they would of informed people better. They would told people tge truth. That this was a pandemic of the old and unhealthy. Instead they made the shit sound like it random and anyone could die just as much as the next person. You don't want to admit but the government, media and cdc screwed this up from jump.

Let me clue you in. The vast majority of the people that have died the last few months didn't think they were at risk of dying from the virus.

Either they were caught up in the conspiracy theory nonsense or they thought they were too young/ healthy to be at risk. In either case it wasn't the government's fault.

The people who thought they were at risk were already vaxed.

[Bronbron23]

Let me clue you in. The vast majority of the people that have died the last few months didn't think they were at risk of dying from the virus.

Either they were caught up in the conspiracy theory nonsense or they thought they were too young/ healthy to be at risk. In either case it wasn't the government's fault.

The people who thought they were at risk were already vaxed.

Clearly they thought they weren't at risk. I didn't say they weren't. All i said was the government, cdc and media incompetence played a role in that. They haven't been honest and people who already don't trust the government saw right through their lies and made them question shit from jump. they should of been more honest and transparent.

Plus so what young people thought they weren't at risk. What else is new. Young people throw caution to the wind all the time and we don't force shit on them because of it. Yes they're at risk but it's a an extremely low risk. It certainly isn't enough of a risk to put mandates on them.

Again though if they chose to or their parents chose for them that's cool also. I'm not with the mandates but if they are gonna mandate it should at least be reasonable and make sense. It's not reasonable to make the tens of millions with antibodies to get vaccines. It's not reasonable to make children and young adults get vaccines. There should be no debate about that. 40 and up is a different story. 40 and below who are really unhealthy or immune compromised is a different story.

[tontoz]

Clearly they thought they weren't at risk. I didn't say they weren't. All i said was the government, cdc and media incompetence played a role in that. .


What specifically are you referring to here that discouraged people from getting a vaccine?

[Bronbron23]

What specifically are you referring to here that discouraged people from getting a vaccine?

I'm referring to the way the cdc, government and the media talked in certainties when it came to the virus and vaccines even though they had no idea. Right from jump they said the death rate was 3-5% when common sense said it was well under that. They were using confimed cases instead of estimates like they do with everything else. It wasn't lying but it was extremely disingenuous.

they came with their mask and social distancing rules that were often contradictory and made no sense.

Then it was take the vaccines because they're absolutely safe. Then they walked that back and said AstraZeneca wasn't safe but the other 2 were.

They continue to deny common sense and conventional wisdom by not accepting natural immunity.

They know this virus attacks the immune compromised and unhealthy but i haven't heard anything about how people should take better care of themselves.

They know there's been some success with alternative treatments and instead of exploring them they immediately ignore it and use fake news saying things like it's horse medicine when it's actually an approved safe human grade medicine that's won awards.

They know that the vaccine dosn't reduce the spread of delta but they constantly say otherwise.

I could on and on man. All of these things causes people like me to question either their motive or their competence when it comes to the pandemic.

[tontoz]

Once again we see the disconnect between what you perceive and what people actually say. You make accusations but as usual you have no quotes to back them up.

If you are going to make accusations without any backup that is a you problem.

Delta is a perfect example. So they constantly say otherwise? How about finding them say it once after they found out for sure per fauci on July 30.

[SATAN]

I think it's time to send people like Bronbron23 to the gas chamber.

[Cleverness]

I got 20 million because 43 million people already had covid but 60% of those people in theory had the vaccine because the us is 60% vaccinated.

For the 17th (?) time, that is the number of reported "cases" of Covid-19 in the US. It does not include undetected cases.

The latest CDC model has us at approx 183 million infections in the US, including those unreported. Also, cumulatively, there are no known infections prevented by Trump's & CDC's guidelines on social distancing, face coverings, travel bans, mass testing, etc.

[Bronbron23]

For the 17th (?) time, that is the number of reported "cases" of Covid-19 in the US. It does not include undetected cases.

The latest CDC model has us at approx 183 million infections in the US, including those unreported. Also, cumulatively, there are no known infections prevented by Trump's & CDC's guidelines on social distancing, face coverings, travel bans, mass testing, etc.

Yeah man i know that but the 43 million is the people that we already know had covid so it's easy and free to identify them. To identify the other 140 million we'd have to do antibody tests which would take time and money. Not that it shouldn't be done it should it's just thst the 43 million can be identified immediately.

[Bronbron23]

Once again we see the disconnect between what you perceive and what people actually say. You make accusations but as usual you have no quotes to back them up.

If you are going to make accusations without any backup that is a you problem.

Delta is a perfect example. So they constantly say otherwise? How about finding them say it once after they found out for sure per fauci on July 30.

Dude i already did. I gave u 3 examples just the other day. I've been giving you proof but you just keep saying the same lie that i'm not giving you proof. Everything i listed in that response is a fact and i could find the proof but it wouldn't mattet because you'll just ignore it like you did the other day

[tontoz]

Dude i already did. I gave u 3 examples just the other day. I've been giving you proof but you just keep saying the same lie that i'm not giving you proof. Everything i listed in that response is a fact and i could find the proof but it wouldn't mattet because you'll just ignore it like you did the other day



Your 3 examples just prove my point. You claim Fauci was lying about Delta in vids where he doesn't even mention Delta. I can't recall him saying the word Delta once in either vid. If you are going to claim Fauci is lying about Delta you should at least try to find a vid or quote where he actually mentions Delta.

The other vid was on july 15 which appears to be before they realized that vaccinated people can spread Delta so easily. The first time i have found any mention of this was july 30.

You clearly don't even understand what the word ignore means either. If i ignored the vids i wouldn't have watched them at all. Watching the vids and pointing out your misunderstandings isn't ignoring them.

:facepalm



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If these lies are so common you should be able to find an actual lie instead of an imaginary one.

[ZenMaster]

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https://fortune.com/2021/04/01/its-official-vaccinated-people-dont-transmit-covid-19/

[Bronbron23]

Your 3 examples just prove my point. You claim Fauci was lying about Delta in vids where he doesn't even mention Delta. I can't recall him saying the word Delta once in either vid. If you are going to claim Fauci is lying about Delta you should at least try to find a vid or quote where he actually mentions Delta.

The other vid was on july 15 which appears to be before they realized that vaccinated people can spread Delta so easily. The first time i have found any mention of this was july 30.

You clearly don't even understand what the word ignore means either. If i ignored the vids i wouldn't have watched them at all. Watching the vids and pointing out your misunderstandings isn't ignoring them.

:facepalm



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If these lies are so common you should be able to find an actual lie instead of an imaginary one.

No man you wanted the evidence and i gave it and you straight ignored it. The biden video was well after civid hit Europe in 2020 and more than a couple months after it hit usa. All thw videos were and the video with the cdc director she mentions delta so your just playing dumb.

The denial is strong with this one:facepalm

[Bronbron23]

I think it's time to send people like Bronbron23 to the gas chamber.

Sounds about right. Let's silence and even kill anyone who skeaks the truth:facepalm

[tontoz]

No man you wanted the evidence and i gave it and you straight ignored it. The biden video was well after civid hit Europe in 2020 and more than a couple months after it hit usa. All thw videos were and the video with the cdc director she mentions delta so your just playing dumb.

The denial is strong with this one:facepalm


The more you post the more you prove 8ball right about his low IQ comment.

You can't accuse Fauci of lying about Delta when he doesn't even mention Delta in the two vids you posted. That is low IQ even by your standards.

The CDC director talked about Delta on July 15. There is no indication that the CDC knew how easily vaxed people transmitted the disease at that time. It was two weeks later that Fauci reported the "alarming new" info about Delta transmission among vaxed people

You are right about one thing , denial is strong with this one.

[tontoz]

https://media.patriots.win/post/mgah4qXj.jpeg

https://fortune.com/2021/04/01/its-official-vaccinated-people-dont-transmit-covid-19/


First of all that article was from April fool's day :oldlol:

Secondly it is behind a paywall.

[Bronbron23]

The more you post the more you prove 8ball right about his low IQ comment.

You can't accuse Fauci of lying about Delta when he doesn't even mention Delta in the two vids you posted. That is low IQ even by your standards.

The CDC director talked about Delta on July 15. There is no indication that the CDC knew how easily vaxed people transmitted the disease at that time. It was two weeks later that Fauci reported the "alarming new" info about Delta transmission among vaxed people

You are right about one thing , denial is strong with this one.

Again it's not necessarily straight up lying but it's being extremely misleading which is pretty much the same. You keep hiding behind the possibility that they didn't know but if they didn't know then that's what they should of said. Instead they assumed which made the media and people like you take that as a certainty. You just recently acknowledged that their assumption was wrong but the media and most people still think the vaccines reduce spread. They still think covid patients should get the vaccine.

[tontoz]

Again it's not necessarily straight up lying but it's being extremely misleading which is pretty much the same. You keep hiding behind the possibility that they didn't know but if they didn't know then that's what they should of said. Instead they assumed which made the media and people like you take that as a certainty. You just recently acknowledged that their assumption was wrong but the media and most people still think the vaccines reduce spread. They still think covid patients should get the vaccine.


Lying is lying. If Fauci doesn't mention Delta then he is not lying about Delta. Pretty simple. If he is lying so often you shouldn't have much trouble finding a real lie

The strongest immunity out there from what I have read is recovered covid patients who get the vaccine. They have something close to full immunity.

Look at what is happening in Portugal right now. The pandemic is over there. They have lifted all covid restrictions. No masks, no social distancing. How did they do this? By vaxing almost everyone over 12 years old

[Bronbron23]

Lying is lying. If Fauci doesn't mention Delta then he is not lying about Delta. Pretty simple. If he is lying so often you shouldn't have much trouble finding a real lie

The strongest immunity out there from what I have read is recovered covid patients who get the vaccine. They have something close to full immunity.

Look at what is happening in Portugal right now. The pandemic is over there. They have lifted all covid restrictions. No masks, no social distancing. How did they do this? By vaxing almost everyone over 12 years old

Whatever man if u wanna play dumb that's fine but there's lots of ways to mislead people without straight out lying and that's what fauci, cdc abd the media did countless times. This isn't eben debatable.

As far as strongest immunity it's actually people who had covid who had one vaccine. For some reason natural immunity with 2 shots is significantly less effective. And thus argument is dumb because they don't have to be super immune they just have to be as immune as the vaccinated and people who have antibodies are certainly that and more.

As far as Portugal it's impossible to say. Isreal is just as vaccinated and they're having all time high cases.

And again you don't have to vaccinate everyone over 12. Covid patients are an exception and ages 12-30 are and exception.

[tontoz]

Portugal vaccinated everyone more recently that Israel, who has a good vax rate but not as high as Portugal.