Pippen OUTPLAYED opposing team Best Player. Facts inside

[8Ball]

From southbeachtalents


For majority of the series played, Big *** Pip outplayed opposing team's best player. That's why Pippen is a top 20 player all time and a top 5 player for all of the 90s.


Forget 2nd options. Let's see how this scrub Pippen compares to the other teams best player

1991 FR
Pippen: 20/9/5/3 55%TS
Ewing: 17/10/2 47%TS

1991 ECSF
Pippen: 23/9/6 61%TS
Barkley: 26/10/5 67%TS

1991 ECF
Pippen: 22/8/5/3/2 56%TS
Isiah: 17/5/6 49%TS

1991 Finals
Pippen: 21/9/7 53%TS
Magic: 19/8/12 61%TS

1992 ECF
Pippen: 20/11/6/2/2 54%TS
Price: 19/2/5 61%TS

1992 Finals
Pippen: 21/8/8 56%TS
Drexler: 25/8/5 52%TS

1993 ECSF
Pippen: 18/6/5/3 51%TS
Price: 14/2/6 64%TS

1993 ECF
Pippen: 23/7/4 57%TS
Ewing: 26/11/3 57%TS

1996 FR
Pippen: 20/11/7/3/2 64%TS
Mourning: 18/6/1 57%TS

1997 FR
Pippen: 17/9/3 50%TS
Webber: 16/8/3 70%TS

1997 ECSF
Pippen: 22/6/6 52%TS
Blaylock: 21/7/6 58%TS

1997 ECF
Pippen: 17/5/3 53%TS
Hardaway: 17/5/6 49%TS

1997 Finals
Pippen: 20/8/4/2/2 54%TS
Malone: 24/11/4 49%TS

1998 FR
Pippen: 18/7/6 53%TS
Williams: 7/14/2 44%TS

1998 ECSF
Pippen: 18/7/5/3 54%TS
Rice: 23/5/2 52%TS

1998 ECF
Pippen: 17/8/5 46%TS
Reggie: 17/2/2 59%TS

Again, these are the other teams best players, I haven't even used a 2nd option in any of these series

[8Ball]

This is it. This is Hiroshima and Nagasaki for all Scottie Pippen arguments.



There is no counter to this.


For people that know basketball, we know Pippen was a top 5 player for all the 90s. Top 20 all time.

[ELITEpower23]

Are you telling me in 1991 the Bulls leader Scottie Pippen outscored 2nd in MVP votes Magic Johnson on the biggest stage?

Whoa--Pip was outscoring top 90s #1 options regularly?

Did the Bulls actually have TWO elite Pippen's with MJ & Pippen duo? UNFAIR!

[97 bulls]

Are you telling me in 1991 the Bulls leader Scottie Pippen outscored 2nd in MVP votes Magic Johnson on the biggest stage?

Whoa--Pip was outscoring top 90s #1 options regularly?

Did the Bulls actually have TWO elite Pippen's with MJ & Pippen duo? UNFAIR!

You can actually make a case that Pippen played Jordan to a standstill in 91 when you apply context to that series.

[expansionera]

Scottie and Jordan were 1A and 1B respectively, the only discernible gap between them is Scottie’s playmaking, size and defensive versatility and Jordan’s marketing

[MadDog]

A few errors with that list. Daughtery was arguably Cleveland's best player in 92 & 93, and led them in scoring both years. In 98, Williams wasn't the Nets' best offensive player. Van Horn, Cassell and Kendal Gill were their first three options. All in all though pretty good info - and more proof Pippen was a top tier player in the 90s. No "scrub" is outscoring the opposing teams number two in 18/24 series lol

Pippen's 91 playoff run is arguably his best. Outscored all number one options in 75% of Chicago's series, all the while playing excellent defense.

[3ba11]

This is it. This is Hiroshima and Nagasaki for all Scottie Pippen arguments.



There is no counter to this.


For people that know basketball, we know Pippen was a top 5 player for all the 90s. Top 20 all time.


He lied about nearly every series and yet his numbers still show Pippen getting outscored the vast majority of the time

You guys are jokes

[RRR3]

He lied about nearly every series and yet his numbers still show Pippen getting outscored the vast majority of the time

You guys are jokes
You calling anyone else a liar is hilarious.

[3ba11]

You calling anyone else a liar is hilarious.


He literally lied about nearly every series and you made a thread about it

[RRR3]

He literally lied about nearly every series and you made a thread about it
You literally lie about stats constantly, cry me a river. I didn’t make the thread either, dumbass

[3ba11]

A few errors with that list. Daughtery was arguably Cleveland's best player in 92 & 93, and led them in scoring both years. In 98, Williams wasn't the Nets' best offensive player. Van Horn, Cassell and Kendal Gill were their first three options. All in all though pretty good info - and more proof Pippen was a top tier player in the 90s. No "scrub" is outscoring the opposing 2nd option in 75% of series during title runs lol





That's what all lower tier sidekicks do during title runs (Klay, Pau, Jason Terry, Pippen, Rip), while the top tier routinely outscores the #1 option, wins FMVP, or otherwise averages elite 1st option stats (Kareem, McHale, Worthy, Dumars, Kobe, Tony Parker, Wade, Iggy, Kyrie, Curry, Middleton).

It's important to note that out of the lower tier sidekicks, Pippen has by far the worst efficiency (he's the least efficient winning sidekick ever), which makes him the worst-scoring sidekick ever.

[3ba11]

You literally lie about stats constantly, cry me a river. I didn’t make the thread either, dumbass


My stats might be a few tenths off but that isn't a lie, whereas SouBeach just blatantly lied throughout a really long post - you guys are crazy

[RRR3]

My stats might be a few tenths off but that isn't a lie, whereas SouBeach just blatantly lied throughout a really long post - you guys are crazy
Your stats are always off in a way that makes LeBron look worse. Just a coincidence doe. Liarball.

[3ba11]

Your stats are always off in a way that makes LeBron look worse. Just a coincidence doe. Liarball.


A few tenths doesn't make him look much worse, whereas SouBeach blatantly lying throughout a really long stats post is ridiculous.. Jayson Williams was the Nets top scorer now?.. Not even using the opponent's top scorer in most series? Gtfo

[RRR3]

Excuses. You also lied about being a college basketball stud.

[StrongLurk]

Pippen is a top thirty player of all time. Everyone knows this OP.

[3ba11]

Pippen is a top thirty player of all time. Everyone knows this OP.


Actually he was barely awarded top 50 in 1997 and tons of guys have past him since like Kobe, Curry, Lebron, Duncan, etc

So it's impossible that he's still top 50 let alone top 30

But you know how a guy can still be ranked top 30 despite tons of guys passing him up?... It's simple - new fans/media that never watched back then must do on-paper evaluations of past players, and Pippen's 6 rings stands out over Dirk/Giannis 1 ring, despite the latter being far superior.. basically, you guys are dumb

Ultimately, the upcoming top 75 is reserved for towering performance like Dirk's 2011 or Giannis' 2021, so Pippen's low-producing, defensive role player caliber has no business anywhere near top 75

[StrongLurk]

Actually he was barely awarded top 50 in 1997 and tons of guys have past him since like Kobe, Curry, Lebron, Duncan, etc

So it's impossible that he's still top 50 let alone top 30

But you know how a guy can still be ranked top 30 despite tons of guys passing him up?... It's simple - new fans/media that never watched back then must do on-paper evaluations of past players, and Pippen's 6 rings stands out over Dirk/Giannis 1 ring, despite the latter being far superior.. basically, you guys are dumb

Ultimately, the upcoming top 75 is reserved for towering performance like Dirk's 2011 or Giannis' 2021, so Pippen's low-producing, defensive role player caliber has no business anywhere near top 75

You realize no one takes anything you say seriously and are mostly just messing with you?

But like I said, Pippen is top thirty all time and there is nothing you can do about it.

[SouBeachTalents]

A few errors with that list. Daughtery was arguably Cleveland's best player in 92 & 93, and led them in scoring both years. In 98, Williams wasn't the Nets' best offensive player. Van Horn, Cassell and Kendal Gill were their first three options. All in all though pretty good info - and more proof Pippen was a top tier player in the 90s. No "scrub" is outscoring the opposing teams number two in 18/24 series lol

Pippen's 91 playoff run is arguably his best. Outscored all number one options in 75% of Chicago's series, all the while playing excellent defense.
Some of the series were admittedly difficult to narrow down the teams best player. Let's go with your examples

1992 ECF
Pippen: 20/11/6/2/2 54%TS
Daugherty: 18/10/4 55%TS

1993 ECSF
Pippen: 18/6/5/3 51%TS
Daugherty: 16/10/4 63%TS

1998 FR
Pippen: 18/7/6 53%TS
Gill: 14/4/1 49%TS
Van Horn: 13/3/0 53%TS
Cassell: Played 27 minutes

As you can see, none of those change the trend in the OP :lol

[8Ball]

He lied about nearly every series and yet his numbers still show Pippen getting outscored the vast majority of the time

You guys are jokes

Pippen played better than majority of opposing teams best player.

Meltdown.

[3ba11]

Pippen played better than majority of opposing teams best player.

Meltdown.


Pippen had among the lowest PPG of any winning sidekick + worst efficiency ever = worst-scoring sidekick ever

[3ba11]

Some of the series were admittedly difficult to narrow down the teams best player. Let's go with your examples

1992 ECF
Pippen: 20/11/6/2/2 54%TS
Daugherty: 18/10/4 55%TS

1993 ECSF
Pippen: 18/6/5/3 51%TS
Daugherty: 16/10/4 63%TS

1998 FR
Pippen: 18/7/6 53%TS
Gill: 14/4/1 49%TS
Van Horn: 13/3/0 53%TS
Cassell: Played 27 minutes

As you can see, none of those change the trend in the OP :lol


gtfo - you said that Pippen outscored the opposing #1 option in the 1997 1st Round, which is a blatant lie - he was outscored and outplayed by both Webbter and his matchup Howard.

another reason you lied about nearly every series is because you often didn't use the opponent's top scorer, while leaving out half the series

Here's the facts - Pippen almost never outscored the opposing 1st option, nor did he achieve elite 1st option stats or FMVP - so he isn't in the top tier of sidekicks (Kobe, Curry, Kareem, etc).. He's in the lower tier of sidekicks that outscore the opposing 2nd option approximately 75% of the time during title runs (Klay, Jason Terry, Pippen, Pau, Rip).

[SouBeachTalents]

gtfo - you said that Pippen outscored the opposing #1 option in the 1997 1st Round, which is a blatant lie - he was outscored and outplayed by both Webbter and his matchup Howard.

another reason you lied about nearly every series is because you often didn't use the opponent's top scorer, while leaving out half the series

Here's the facts - Pippen almost never outscored the opposing 1st option, nor did he achieve elite 1st option stats or FMVP - so he isn't in the top tier of sidekicks (Kobe, Curry, etc).. He's in the lower tier of sidekicks that outscore the opposing 2nd option approximately 75% of the time during title runs (Klay, Jason Terry, Pippen, Pau, Rip).
This is literally what I said in the OP


Forget 2nd options. Let's see how this scrub Pippen compares to the other teams best player

Again, these are the other teams best players, I haven't even used a 2nd option in any of these series
Nowhere did I say he outplayed all these 1st options. I said that he either outplayed, matched, or was only marginally outproduced by them. So the only one lying, as usual, is you. And I actually included 16 of their 24 series, so saying I left out half is another complete lie by you :lol

[8Ball]

Pippen had among the lowest PPG of any winning sidekick + worst efficiency ever = worst-scoring sidekick ever

Pippen outplayed the majority of the FIRST options of opponent in 75%+ of the series played.

So Chicago Bulls had the best player in Jordan, and the 2nd best player on the court in Pippen for majority of the playoff series.

[3ba11]

This is literally what I said in the OP




Pippen was usually outplayed by the 2nd and 3rd option, yet you're saying he was mostly matching or outplaying the 1st option - pippen had arguably the lowest PPG of any winning sidekick and the worst efficiency, so he was literally the worst-scoring sidekick ever

You're just making shit up





Nowhere did I say he outplayed all these 1st options. I said that he either outplayed, matched, or was only marginally outproduced by them. So the only one lying, as usual, is you. And I actually included 16 of their 24 series, so saying I left out half is another complete lie by you :lol




You lied about literally every series - you didn't use the top scorers, you didn't use efficiency, you omitted half the series

Pippen almost never outscored the opposing 1st option, nor did he achieve elite 1st option stats or FMVP - so he isn't in the top tier of sidekicks (Kobe, Curry, etc).. He's in the lower tier of sidekicks that outscore the opposing 2nd option approximately 75% of the time during title runs (Klay, Jason Terry, Pippen, Pau, Rip).

[SouBeachTalents]

Pippen was usually outplayed by the 2nd and 3rd option, yet you're saying he was mostly matching or outplaying the 1st option - pippen had arguably the lowest PPG of any winning sidekick and the worst efficiency, so he was literally the worst-scoring sidekick ever

You're just making shit up





You lied about every series

Pippen almost never outscored the opposing 1st option, nor did he achieve elite 1st option stats or FMVP - so he isn't in the top tier of sidekicks (Kobe, Curry, etc).. He's in the lower tier of sidekicks that outscore the opposing 2nd option approximately 75% of the time during title runs (Klay, Jason Terry, Pippen, Pau, Rip).


That's a massive lie
So posting the factual numbers from all those series is lying about them

https://64.media.tumblr.com/a23a0d09a3fbb287f1c0271d67e5a729/tumblr_o183eg7Okh1tjydheo3_500.gifv

[8Ball]

Looks like he OUTPLAYED or played to EVEN the majority of these opponents.

Ewing / Reggie / BARKLEY / Isiah / Drexler


1991 FR
Pippen: 20/9/5/3 55%TS
Ewing: 17/10/2 47%TS

1991 ECSF
Pippen: 23/9/6 61%TS
Barkley: 26/10/5 67%TS

1991 ECF
Pippen: 22/8/5/3/2 56%TS
Isiah: 17/5/6 49%TS

1991 Finals
Pippen: 21/9/7 53%TS
Magic: 19/8/12 61%TS

1992 ECF
Pippen: 20/11/6/2/2 54%TS
Price: 19/2/5 61%TS

1992 Finals
Pippen: 21/8/8 56%TS
Drexler: 25/8/5 52%TS

1993 ECSF
Pippen: 18/6/5/3 51%TS
Price: 14/2/6 64%TS

1993 ECF
Pippen: 23/7/4 57%TS
Ewing: 26/11/3 57%TS

1996 FR
Pippen: 20/11/7/3/2 64%TS
Mourning: 18/6/1 57%TS

1997 FR
Pippen: 17/9/3 50%TS
Webber: 16/8/3 70%TS

1997 ECSF
Pippen: 22/6/6 52%TS
Blaylock: 21/7/6 58%TS

1997 ECF
Pippen: 17/5/3 53%TS
Hardaway: 17/5/6 49%TS

1997 Finals
Pippen: 20/8/4/2/2 54%TS
Malone: 24/11/4 49%TS

1998 FR
Pippen: 18/7/6 53%TS
Williams: 7/14/2 44%TS

1998 ECSF
Pippen: 18/7/5/3 54%TS
Rice: 23/5/2 52%TS

1998 ECF
Pippen: 17/8/5 46%TS
Reggie: 17/2/2 59%TS

[3ba11]

The team wasn't awful. The chicago bulls won 55 games in 1994 without Jordan due to Scottie Pippen being a top 5 player at the time. The 90s was just lower scoring compared to today.


1991 FR
Pippen: 20/9/5/3 55%TS
Ewing: 17/10/2 47%TS


1991 ECSF
Pippen: 23/9/6 61%TS
Barkley: 26/10/5 67%TS... ^^^ more scoring, rebs, efficiency


1991 ECF
Pippen: 22/8/5/3/2 56%TS
Isiah: 17/5/6 49%TS


1991 Finals
Pippen: 21/9/7 53%TS
Magic: 19/8/12 61%TS


1992 ECF
Pippen: 20/11/6/2/2 54%TS
Price: 19/2/5 61%TS


1992 Finals
Pippen: 21/8/8 56%TS
Drexler: 25/8/5 52%TS... ^^^ far more scoring, more rebs


1993 ECSF
Pippen: 18/6/5/3 51%TS
Price: 14/2/6 64%TS


1993 ECF
Pippen: 23/7/4 57%TS
Ewing: 26/11/3 57%TS.... far more scoring, more rebs, efficiency


1996 FR
Pippen: 20/11/7/3/2 64%TS
Mourning: 18/6/1 57%TS


1997 FR
Pippen: 17/9/3 50%TS
Strickland: 20/5/8 70%TS.... ^^^ far more scoring & assists, efficiency


1997 ECSF
Pippen: 22/6/6 52%TS
Blaylock: 21/7/6 58%TS


1997 ECF
Pippen: 16.8/5/3 53%TS
Hardaway: 17.2/5/6 49%TS.... ^^^ more scoring and double assists


1997 Finals
Pippen: 20/8/4/2/2 54%TS
Malone: 24/11/4 49%TS..... ^^^ far more scoring & rebs


1998 FR
Pippen: 18.0/7/6 53%TS
Douglas: 18.3/3/8 44%TS.... ^^^ more scoring & assists


1998 ECSF
Pippen: 18/7/5/3 54%TS
Rice: 23/5/2 52%TS....... ^^^ far more scoring


1998 ECF
Pippen: 16.6 on 46%TS
Smits: 16.2 on 63% TS
Reggie: 17.4 on 59%TS..... ^^^ more scoring, far better efficiency





^^^^ only 7 of the 16 series you showed had Pippen outscoring the opposing 1st option, and you omitted 8 series where he was destroyed..

So Pippen outscored the opposing 1st option in less than 1/3 of the series during title runs (7/24), and 75% of the time he outscored the opposing 2nd option - again, this matches the lower tier of winning sidekick that rarely outscores opposing 1st options and never achieves elite 1st option stats or wins FMVP (Klay, Jason Terry, Pippen, Rip, Pau), while the top tier does all these things routinely (Curry, Kobe, Kareem, McHale, Worthy, Tony Parker, Iggy, Dumars, Wade, AD, Kyrie, Middleton).

And we've only considered title runs - Pippen caused loss from 88-90' and 95' by getting destroyed in every series - ditto from 99-03'... He was infact outscored by opposing 2nd option in half the series of his career - this proves that he wasn't a legit 2nd option, while his worst-ever efficiency also confirms that he couldn't handle the load/volume... Ultimately, he had arguably the lowest PPG of any winning sidekick + worst efficiency ever = worst-scoring sidekick that ever won

[8Ball]

^^^^ only 7 of the 16 series you showed had Pippen outscoring the opposing 1st option, and you omitted 8 series where he was destroyed..

So Pippen outscored the opposing 1st option in less than 1/3 of the series during title runs (7/24), and 75% of the time he outscored the opposing 2nd option - again, this matches the lower tier of winning sidekick that rarely outscores opposing 1st options and never achieves elite 1st option stats or wins FMVP (Klay, Jason Terry, Pippen, Rip, Pau), while the top tier does all these things routinely (Curry, Kobe, Kareem, McHale, Worthy, Tony Parker, Iggy, Dumars, Wade, AD, Kyrie, Middleton).

And we've only considered title runs - Pippen caused loss from 88-90' and 95' by getting destroyed in every series - ditto from 99-03'... He was infact outscored by opposing 2nd option in half the series of his career - this proves that he wasn't a legit 2nd option, while his worst-ever efficiency also confirms that he couldn't handle the load/volume... Ultimately, he had arguably the lowest PPG of any winning sidekick + worst efficiency ever = worst-scoring sidekick that ever won

Wrong.

Looks like Pippen played to EVEN or even out performed the opposing team's BEST player.



1991 FR
Pippen: 20/9/5/3 55%TS PERFORMED BETTER
Ewing: 17/10/2 47%TS.

1991 ECSF
Pippen: 23/9/6 61%TS
Barkley: 26/10/5 67%TS

1991 ECF
Pippen: 22/8/5/3/2 56%TS PERFORMED BETTER
Isiah: 17/5/6 49%TS

1991 Finals
Pippen: 21/9/7 53%TS PERFORMED BETTER
Magic: 19/8/12 61%TS

1992 ECF
Pippen: 20/11/6/2/2 54%TS PERFORMED BETTER
Price: 19/2/5 61%TS

1992 Finals
Pippen: 21/8/8 56%TS PERFORMED BETTER
Drexler: 25/8/5 52%TS

1993 ECSF
Pippen: 18/6/5/3 51%TS PERFORMED BETTER
Price: 14/2/6 64%TS

1993 ECF
Pippen: 23/7/4 57%TS
Ewing: 26/11/3 57%TS

1996 FR
Pippen: 20/11/7/3/2 64%TS PERFORMED BETTER
Mourning: 18/6/1 57%TS

1997 FR
Pippen: 17/9/3 50%TS PERFORMED BETTER
Webber: 16/8/3 70%TS

1997 ECSF
Pippen: 22/6/6 52%TS EVEN
Blaylock: 21/7/6 58%TS

1997 ECF
Pippen: 17/5/3 53%TS EVEN
Hardaway: 17/5/6 49%TS

1997 Finals
Pippen: 20/8/4/2/2 54%TS
Malone: 24/11/4 49%TS

1998 FR
Pippen: 18/7/6 53%TS PERFORMED BETTER
Williams: 7/14/2 44%TS

1998 ECSF
Pippen: 18/7/5/3 54%TS EVEN
Rice: 23/5/2 52%TS

1998 ECF
Pippen: 17/8/5 46%TS EVEN
Reggie: 17/2/2 59%TS

[Axe]

Pippen averaged more ppg in his finals debut than what kobe did in 2000.

[Kobe_Bryant]

This is it. This is Hiroshima and Nagasaki for all Scottie Pippen arguments.



There is no counter to this.


For people that know basketball, we know Pippen was a top 5 player for all the 90s. Top 20 all time.


2011 first round:
Wade - 22/8/5 with 53%ts
Bosh - 20/9/1 with 54%ts
vs
Best 76er player Brand - 15/8/0 with 57%ts


2011 2nd round:
Wade - 30/7/5 with 55%ts
vs
Best celtic player Pierce - 19/5/3 with 57%ts


2011 3rd round:
Bosh - 23/8/1 with 69%ts
vs
Bulls best player Rose - 23/4/6 with 43%ts


2011 finals:
Wade - 27/7/5 with 61%ts
vs
Mavs best player Dirk - 26/9/2 with 53%ts


2012 2nd round:
Wade - 26/6/3 with 54%ts
vs
Pacers best player Granger - 13/4/3 with 48%ts

2012 3rd round:
Wade - 21/6/5 with 52%ts
vs
Bostons best player Garnett - 19/9/1 with 52%ts????
or Pierce - 18/4/2 with 43%ts? lol


2013 1st round:
Allen - 17/4/2 with 66%ts
vs
bucks best player Ellis - 14/3/5 with 45%ts

2013 2nd round:
Bosh - 14/9/2 with 56%ts
vs
Bulls best player butler - 15/6/2 with 58%ts

2013 Finals:
Wade - 20/4/5/2 with 51%ts
vs
Spurs best player Duncan 18/12/1 with 55%ts

2014 2nd round:
Wade - 18/4/4 with 55%ts
vs
nets best player johnson 20/4/2 with 65%ts

2014 finals:
Wade - 15/4/3/2 with 50%ts
vs
Spurs best player Kawhi - 17/6/2/2 with 75%ts

2015 first round:
Kyrie - 23/5/4 with 58%ts
vs
Boston best player Thomas - 17/3/7 with 51%ts

2015 2nd round:
Kyrie - 18/2/3 with 59%ts
vs
Bulls best player Rose - 21/5/6 with 45%ts

2015 3rd round:
Jr Smith - 18/8/2 with 66%ts
vs
Hawks best player - Teague 21/3/4 with 52%ts

2016 first round:
Kyrie - 28/2/5 with 59%ts
vs
Pistons best player Drummond - 16/9/0 with 48%ts

2016 2nd round:
Kyrie - 21/2/6 with 62%ts
Love - 19/13/3 with 50%ts
vs
Hawks best player millsap - 17/10/3 with 50%ts

2016 3rd round:
Kyrie - 24/3/5 with 56%ts
vs
Raptors best player derozan - 23/3/3 with 56%ts

2016 finals:
Kyrie - 27/4/4/2 with 56%ts
vs
Warriors best player curry - 22/5/4 with 58%ts

2017 2nd round:
Kyrie - 22/3/9 with 50%ts
vs
Raptors best player derozan - 20/4/4 with 51%ts

2017 3rd round:
Kyrie - 26/2/5 with 76%ts
vs
Boston best player Bradley 19/4/2 with 48%ts

2018 2nd round:
Love - 21/12/2 with 59%ts
vs
Raptors best player lowry - 18/3/9 with 73%ts

2020 1st round:
Davis - 30/9/4 with 66%ts
vs
blazers best player lillard - 24/3/4 with 61%ts

2020 2nd round:
Davis - 26/12/4 with 66%ts
vs
rockets best player harden - 29/4/7 with 66%ts

2020 3rd round:
Davis - 31/6/3 with 67%ts
vs
Nuggets best player Murray - 25/4/7 with 63%ts

2020 finals:
Davis - 25/11/3 with 67%ts
vs
Heat best player Butler - 26/8/9 with 65%ts


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkGMET2XsAAWpIF.jpg

[2much_knowledge]

This is it. This is Hiroshima and Nagasaki for all Scottie Pippen arguments.



There is no counter to this.


For people that know basketball, we know Pippen was a top 5 player for all the 90s. Top 20 all time.

Top 20 allstime...... L O LLLLLL

[dankok8]

A lot of second options on championship teams will outplay a lot of regular all-stars on average teams faced in the first and second rounds. It's not really uncommon and proves nothing...

[3ba11]

Excluding 1994 when Pippen was a 1st option, Pippen was outscored by the opponent's 2nd leading scorer in 12 of 34 series as a Bull (35%), and was matched with far better efficiency in 2 other critical series (98' ECF, 95' ECSF) - so that's 14 of 34 series as a Bull (41%) where his scoring was inferior to the opposing 2nd option.

During title runs, Pippen was outscored 25% of the time by opposing 2nd options, which matches the lower tier of winning sidekicks that never won FMVP or achieved elite 1st option stats (true 2nd options), such as Klay, Pau, Pippen, Rip Hamilton, and Jason Terry.. This caliber is far below the top tier of winning sidekicks that usually outscore opposing 1st options, achieve elite 1st options stats or win FMVP (Curry, Kobe, Kareem, Wade, Worthy, AD, etc).

For Pippen's career, he was outscored by opposing 2nd options in 19 of 41 series that he wasn't 1st option (nearly 50%) - so Pippen wasn't a legit 2nd option because he was outscored by opposing 2nd options half the time and has low peak scoring ability/PPG, while his worst-ever efficiency confirms that he couldn't handle the volume/load.. Ultimately, his low PPG among winning sidekicks and worst-ever efficiency make him the worst-scoring sidekick that ever won.

[3ba11]

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TLDR: Excluding 1994 when Pippen was a 1st option, Pippen was outscored by the opponent's 2nd leading scorer in 12 of 34 series as a Bull (35%), and was matched with far better efficiency in 2 other critical series (98' ECF, 95' ECSF) - so that's 14 of 34 series as a Bull (41%) where his scoring was inferior to the opposing 2nd option.

During title runs, Pippen was outscored 25% of the time by opposing 2nd options, which matches the lower tier of winning sidekicks that never won FMVP or achieved elite 1st option stats (true 2nd options), such as Klay, Pau, Pippen, Rip Hamilton, and Jason Terry.. This caliber is far below the top tier of winning sidekicks that usually outscore opposing 1st options, achieve elite 1st options stats or win FMVP (Curry, Kobe, Kareem, Wade, Worthy, AD, etc).

For Pippen's career, he was outscored by opposing 2nd options in 19 of 41 series that he wasn't 1st option (nearly 50%) - so Pippen wasn't a legit 2nd option because he was outscored by opposing 2nd options half the time and has low peak scoring ability/PPG, while his worst-ever efficiency (https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg) confirms that he couldn't handle the volume/load.. Ultimately, his low PPG among winning sidekicks and worst-ever efficiency make him the worst-scoring sidekick that ever won.

The most common rings are those won with elite 1st options playing sidekick like Kobe, Curry or Kareem ("1b" sidekicks that have achieved elite 1st option stats or FMVP in their career), while it's much less common to win rings with true 2nd options that never achieved FMVP or 25 ppg (Klay, Pippen, Pau, Rip Hamilton, Jason Terry, Horry) - MJ has 6 rings with these true 2nd options, which is why he's goat.



* From 1999-2003, Pippen was outscored by the opponent's 2nd leading scorer in 7 of 7 series - these numbers will be added to Pippen's Bull career, shown below:


1988 1st Round

Pippen'....... 10.6 ppg... 47.1 fg... 49.4 ts
L Nance...... 16.8 ppg... 53.1 fg... 58.4 ts


1988 2nd Round

Pippen......... 9.4 ppg... 45.8 fg... 48.5 ts
Dantley...... 18.6 ppg... 50.0 fg... 58.9 ts


1989 1st Round

Pippen....... 15.0 ppg... 39.7 fg... 51.0 ts
L Nance..... 19.4 ppg... 55.1 fg... 58.9 ts


1989 2nd Round

Pippen....... 14.8 ppg... 58.1 fg... 64.5 ts
Newman.... 15.5 ppg... 45.8 fg... 56.0 ts


1989 ECF

Pippen......... 9.4 ppg... 40.4 fg... 45.3 ts
Johnson..... 13.7 ppg... 53.3 fg... 59.6 ts


1990 1st Round

Pippen....... 22.5 ppg... 57.1 fg... 63.4 ts
Pierce........ 22.3 ppg... 46.7 fg... 60.4 ts


1990 2nd Round

Pippen........ 20.8 ppg... 53.3 fg... 58.1 ts
Hawkins...... 19.8 ppg... 47.7 fg... 62.6 ts


1990 ECF

Pippen....... 16.6 ppg... 42.6 fg... 52.0 ts
Isiah'......... 17.6 ppg... 39.0 fg... 51.0 ts


1991 1st Round

Pippen....... 19.7 ppg... 50.0 fg... 55.2 ts
Ewing........ 16.7 ppg... 40.0 fg... 47.3 ts


1991 2nd Round

Pippen........ 23.4 ppg... 57.1 fg... 60.9 ts
Hawkins...... 19.8 ppg... 43.1 fg... 64.4 ts


1991 ECF

Pippen......... 22.5 ppg... 47.5 fg... 56.3 ts
Aguirre........ 16.8 ppg... 45.3 fg... 55.4 ts


1991 Finals

Pippen'...... 20.6 ppg... 45.3 fg... 52.7 ts
Magic........ 18.3 ppg... 43.1 fg... 61.2 ts


1992 1st Round

Pippen....... 24.0 ppg... 55.3 fg... 63.0 ts
Ewing........ 19.0 ppg... 37.5 fg... 42.5 ts


1992 2nd Round

Pippen'....... 16.0 ppg... 40.4 fg... 49.3 ts
X-Man........ 18.6 ppg... 49.6 fg... 52.7 ts


1992 ECF

Pippen....... 19.8 ppg... 47.3 fg... 53.6 ts
Nance........ 17.8 ppg... 46.7 fg... 51.9 ts


1992 Finals

Pippen'....... 20.8 ppg... 48.4 fg... 56.0 ts
Porter......... 16.2 ppg... 47.1 fg... 57.1 ts


1993 1st Round

Pippen...... 15.3 ppg... 42.2 fg... 45.7 ts
Willis........ 16.7 ppg... 46.7 fg... 48.9 ts


1993 2nd Round

Pippen......... 18.3 ppg... 47.5 fg... 51.0 ts
Daughtery.... 16.0 ppg... 56.1 fg... 56.1 ts


1993 ECF

Pippen'...... 22.5 ppg... 51.0 fg... 57.3 ts
Starks....... 15.2 ppg... 45.3 fg... 54.6 ts


1993 Finals

Pippen...... 21.2 ppg... 43.9 fg... 45.9 ts
Majerle..... 17.2 ppg... 44.3 fg... 58.7 ts


1994 1st Round

Pippen...... 25.3 ppg... 49.3 fg... 53.7 ts
Mills......... 17.0 ppg... 50.0 fg... 59.5 ts


1994 2nd Round

Pippen...... 21.7 ppg... 40.5 fg... 51.3 ts
Ewing....... 22.9 ppg... 53.0 fg... 58.1 ts


1995 1st Round

Pippen........ 16.0 ppg... 51.2 fg... 60.2 ts
Johnson...... 20.8 ppg... 47.7 fg... 54.6 ts


1995 2nd Round

Pippen'...... 19.0 ppg... 40.9 fg... 52.2 ts
Penny........ 18.5 ppg... 44.0 fg... 54.7 ts


1996 1st Round

Pippen..,,..... 19.7 ppg... 55.6 fg... 64.0 ts
Hardaway'.... 17.7 ppg... 46.5 fg... 57.5 ts


1996 2nd Round

Pippen..,,,,,.... 15.6 ppg... 33.0 fg... 41.6 ts
Oakley........... 13.4 ppg... 50.0 fg... 57.7 ts


1996 ECF

Pippen'...... 18.5 ppg... 45.3 fg... 50.8 ts
Penny........ 25.5 ppg... 46.9 fg... 55.2 ts


1996 Finals

Pippen...... 15.7 ppg... 34.0 fg... 42.9 ts
Payton...... 18.0 ppg... 44.4 fg... 53.2 ts


1997 1st Round

Pippen....... 16.7 ppg... 38.9 fg... 49.8 ts
Howard...... 18.7 ppg... 45.5 fg... 53.9 ts


1997 2nd Round

Pippen...... 22.2 ppg... 42.9 fg... 52.4 ts
Smith....... 17.6 ppg... 31.9 fg... 49.1 ts


1997 ECF

Pippen......... 16.8 ppg... 41.7 fg... 52.6 ts
Mourning..... 15.6 ppg... 46.8 fg... 56.2 ts


1997 Finals

Pippen....... 20.0 ppg... 42.1 fg... 54.1 ts
Stockton.... 15.0 ppg... 50.0 fg... 61.3 ts


1998 1st Round

Pippen....... 18.0 ppg... 43.6 fg... 53.1 ts
Kitttles...... 16.3 ppg... 42.5 fg... 54.6 ts


1998 2nd Round

Pippen....... 17.8 ppg... 44.3 fg... 53.5 ts
Mason........ 12.6 ppg... 51.0 fg... 55.3 ts


1998 ECF

Pippen....... 16.6 ppg... 39.2 fg... 46.3 ts
Smits........ 16.3 ppg... 55.4 fg... 62.8 ts


1998 Finals

Pippen.......... 15.7 ppg... 41.0 fg... 50.2 ts
Hornacek...... 10.7 ppg... 41.1 fg... 50.1 ts


* From 1999-2003, Pippen was outscored by the opponent's 2nd leading scorer in 7 of 7 series - these numbers will be added to Pippen's Bull career, shown above

[SaintzFury13]

He literally lied about nearly every series and you made a thread about it

You lie about watching basketball and make threads about it all the time.

[ELITEpower23]

Using isolated moron 3ball logic...

If Pippen were in fact a "bum" yet he outscored the opposing team's #2 option in 5 of 6 Finals then what does that say about MJ's "mega bum" rings? :oldlol: Whoops

[ELITEpower23]

Anyone have an answer for OP?

[ImKobe]

Using isolated moron 3ball logic...

If Pippen were in fact a "bum" yet he outscored the opposing team's #2 option in 5 of 6 Finals then what does that say about MJ's "mega bum" rings? :oldlol: Whoops

Lebron's 2nd option outscored the opposing team's #1 option in multiple Finals, clown.

[SATAN]

ImKobe furiously raging about LeBron James in yet another thread that has nothing to do with him. :yaohappy:

[GimmeThat]

having Pippen as a 2nd option, just meant just to your 7th man needs to have a specific purpose when they're on the floor, the 8th man can be out there literally for physicality mismatch only

having Pippen as the 1st option, just meant you needed a team that could really play the press.

[TheCorporation]

Anyone figure this out?

[TheGoatest]

Pippen also guarded the opponents' best player the majority of the time.

[TheCorporation]

Pippen also guarded the opponents' best player the majority of the time.

AND had more rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks than MJ for all six title runs combined?

[Baller789]

Pippen also guarded the opponents' best player the majority of the time.

Baloney :lol

[3ba11]

https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg


Pippen's true shooting was below league-average for every year of his playoff career except 89-91' and 02'



Using isolated moron 3ball logic...

If Pippen were in fact a "bum" yet he outscored the opposing team's #2 option in 5 of 6 Finals then what does that say about MJ's "mega bum" rings? :oldlol: Whoops


Pippen peaked at 15-22 ppg - that's what every 2nd option gets, so he never dominated anyone and basically tied the opposing #2 with worst-ever efficiency (see chart above).

So he was outplayed by the vast majority of 2nd options and he was only a 2nd option alongside MJ (outscored 7/7 times in series without MJ from 99-03')

[TheCorporation]

https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg


Pippen's true shooting was below league-average for every year of his playoff career except 89-91' and 02'





Pippen peaked at 15-22 ppg - that's what every 2nd option gets, so he never dominated anyone and basically tied the opposing #2 with worst-ever efficiency (see chart above).

So he was outplayed by the vast majority of 2nd options and he was only a 2nd option alongside MJ (outscored 7/7 times in series without MJ from 99-03')

All those players have one thing in common. Poor passing/playmaker teammates. Pippen was shackled due to MJ's poor playmaking/passing abilities.

Next.

[FireDavidKahn]

Some of the series were admittedly difficult to narrow down the teams best player. Let's go with your examples

1992 ECF
Pippen: 20/11/6/2/2 54%TS
Daugherty: 18/10/4 55%TS

1993 ECSF
Pippen: 18/6/5/3 51%TS
Daugherty: 16/10/4 63%TS

1998 FR
Pippen: 18/7/6 53%TS
Gill: 14/4/1 49%TS
Van Horn: 13/3/0 53%TS
Cassell: Played 27 minutes

As you can see, none of those change the trend in the OP :lol

Plus Pippen was a way better defender.

Not even close

[3ba11]

All those players have one thing in common. Poor passing/playmaker teammates. Pippen was shackled due to MJ's poor playmaking/passing abilities.

Next.



Lebron needs far more playmaking than Pippen:



Career APG

Westbrook..... 8.6
Rondo........... 8.0
Kyrie............ 5.7
Wade............ 5.4
Jordan.......... 5.3
Pippen.......... 5.2

[TheGoatest]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkTstGvWkAE8MmH.jpg

[TheCorporation]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkTstGvWkAE8MmH.jpg

Annnnd

JUST

LIKE

THAT

[TheGoatest]

Baloney :lol

1991 Finals game 1:

Jordan guards Magic. The Bulls lose.

1991 Finals games 2-5:

Pippen guards Magic. The Bulls win.

:oldlol:

[3ba11]

1991 Finals game 1:

Jordan guards Magic. The Bulls lose.

1991 Finals games 2-5:

Pippen guards Magic. The Bulls win.

:oldlol:


Pippen didn't guard Magic in Games 3-5 except the 2nd and 3rd quarter of Game 3 and the last 4 minutes of Game 4.

So MJ was the primary defender on Magic and guarded him for 15 of 20 quarters including the critical Game 3 OT that swung the series.

Accordingly, MJ was the primary defender on the opponent's best player like Magic, Drexler, Miller, Payton and Isiah, while Pippen was only the primary defender on Penny, who torched him.

In addition to guarding the opponents best player, Jordan got more DPOY votes every year, while doubling Pippen's playoff scoring average and averaging more assists for their Finals career, playoff career, and regular season career.

There's never been a bigger statistical gap between 1st and 2nd option than MJ/Pippen.. Everyone in history needed teammates to match or exceed their scoring for entire playoff runs, while MJ led Pippen by 10-30 ppg in every SERIES.

[Johnny32]

This is it. This is Hiroshima and Nagasaki for all Scottie Pippen arguments.



There is no counter to this.


For people that know basketball, we know Pippen was a top 5 player for all the 90s. Top 20 all time.

i'd say top 6 in the 90s but yeah good topic. that austic guy probably shit all in it i assume.

[3ba11]

This is it. This is Hiroshima and Nagasaki for all Scottie Pippen arguments.



There is no counter to this.


For people that know basketball, we know Pippen was a top 5 player for all the 90s. Top 20 all time.


It's funny because I look at the OP and I'm not sure I see a single series where Pippen outplayed the opposing leading scorer or 1st option (and btw, OP didn't actually list the leading scorer for a lot of those series)

[000]

It's funny because I look at the OP and I'm not sure I see a single series where Pippen outplayed the opposing leading scorer or 1st option (and btw, OP didn't actually list the leading scorer for a lot of those series)
Check out my new thread

[3ba11]

Check out my new thread


So Pippen basically never outplayed the opposing leading scorer or best player, while Lebron's sidekicks routinely outplay the opposing 1st option, including outplaying league MVP's (the most help possible) in the 11' ECF, 16' Finals, and 20' WCF - AD even led the entire NBA in playoff scoring, while Wade and Kyrie exceeded or matched Lebron's scoring for various playoff runs.

[000]

So Pippen basically never outplayed the opposing leading scorer or best player, while Lebron's sidekicks routinely outplay the opposing 1st option, including outplaying league MVP's (the most help possible) in the 11' ECF, 16' Finals, and 20' WCF - AD even led the entire NBA in playoff scoring, while Wade and Kyrie exceeded or matched Lebron's scoring for various playoff runs.
Sure, but that other thread's about something different

[3ba11]

Sure, but that other thread's about something different


Okay but I probably won't respond to that thread because I disagree with the premise that Nique' and Malone were somehow not worthy or sufficient, let alone Shaq or Hakeem.. So I thought your list showed how strong the era was, as Bird and Kareem didn't appear on the list because they weren't even #2 scorers.

There must be a kernal of truth in the premise for it to be a good thread and hook people.

[000]

Okay but I probably won't respond to that thread because I disagree with the premise that Nique' and Malone were somehow not worthy or sufficient, let alone Shaq or Hakeem.. So I thought your list showed how strong the era was, as Bird and Kareem didn't appear on the list because they weren't even #2 scorers.

There must be a kernal of truth in the premise for it to be a good thread and hook people.
That wasn't what my thread was about though....
It was "no other era had to compete against Jordan, so what if the 90s didn't have to either?"

Anyway, if you don't find that interesting then fair enough

[AlternativeAcc.]

Bumping this legendary thread

[Axe]

1991 Finals game 1:

Jordan guards Magic. The Bulls lose.

1991 Finals games 2-5:

Pippen guards Magic. The Bulls win.

:oldlol:
Whatever happened to this sore loser? :ohwell:

[stalkerforlife]

2011 first round:
Wade - 22/8/5 with 53%ts
Bosh - 20/9/1 with 54%ts
vs
Best 76er player Brand - 15/8/0 with 57%ts


2011 2nd round:
Wade - 30/7/5 with 55%ts
vs
Best celtic player Pierce - 19/5/3 with 57%ts


2011 3rd round:
Bosh - 23/8/1 with 69%ts
vs
Bulls best player Rose - 23/4/6 with 43%ts


2011 finals:
Wade - 27/7/5 with 61%ts
vs
Mavs best player Dirk - 26/9/2 with 53%ts


2012 2nd round:
Wade - 26/6/3 with 54%ts
vs
Pacers best player Granger - 13/4/3 with 48%ts

2012 3rd round:
Wade - 21/6/5 with 52%ts
vs
Bostons best player Garnett - 19/9/1 with 52%ts????
or Pierce - 18/4/2 with 43%ts? lol


2013 1st round:
Allen - 17/4/2 with 66%ts
vs
bucks best player Ellis - 14/3/5 with 45%ts

2013 2nd round:
Bosh - 14/9/2 with 56%ts
vs
Bulls best player butler - 15/6/2 with 58%ts

2013 Finals:
Wade - 20/4/5/2 with 51%ts
vs
Spurs best player Duncan 18/12/1 with 55%ts

2014 2nd round:
Wade - 18/4/4 with 55%ts
vs
nets best player johnson 20/4/2 with 65%ts

2014 finals:
Wade - 15/4/3/2 with 50%ts
vs
Spurs best player Kawhi - 17/6/2/2 with 75%ts

2015 first round:
Kyrie - 23/5/4 with 58%ts
vs
Boston best player Thomas - 17/3/7 with 51%ts

2015 2nd round:
Kyrie - 18/2/3 with 59%ts
vs
Bulls best player Rose - 21/5/6 with 45%ts

2015 3rd round:
Jr Smith - 18/8/2 with 66%ts
vs
Hawks best player - Teague 21/3/4 with 52%ts

2016 first round:
Kyrie - 28/2/5 with 59%ts
vs
Pistons best player Drummond - 16/9/0 with 48%ts

2016 2nd round:
Kyrie - 21/2/6 with 62%ts
Love - 19/13/3 with 50%ts
vs
Hawks best player millsap - 17/10/3 with 50%ts

2016 3rd round:
Kyrie - 24/3/5 with 56%ts
vs
Raptors best player derozan - 23/3/3 with 56%ts

2016 finals:
Kyrie - 27/4/4/2 with 56%ts
vs
Warriors best player curry - 22/5/4 with 58%ts

2017 2nd round:
Kyrie - 22/3/9 with 50%ts
vs
Raptors best player derozan - 20/4/4 with 51%ts

2017 3rd round:
Kyrie - 26/2/5 with 76%ts
vs
Boston best player Bradley 19/4/2 with 48%ts

2018 2nd round:
Love - 21/12/2 with 59%ts
vs
Raptors best player lowry - 18/3/9 with 73%ts

2020 1st round:
Davis - 30/9/4 with 66%ts
vs
blazers best player lillard - 24/3/4 with 61%ts

2020 2nd round:
Davis - 26/12/4 with 66%ts
vs
rockets best player harden - 29/4/7 with 66%ts

2020 3rd round:
Davis - 31/6/3 with 67%ts
vs
Nuggets best player Murray - 25/4/7 with 63%ts

2020 finals:
Davis - 25/11/3 with 67%ts
vs
Heat best player Butler - 26/8/9 with 65%ts


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkGMET2XsAAWpIF.jpg

/thread

WOW.

[3ba11]

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Pippen only outscored opposing guards that were underperforming vs MJ like Starks, Dumars, etc and was otherwise outplayed by HIS MATCHUP, aka opposing forwards & long wings



89' Aguirre............ 14 on 53%
89' Pippen............ 10 on 40%

89' Nance............. 19 on 55%
89' Pippen............ 15 on 40%

92' X-Man'............. 19 on 50% (3rd option)
92' Pippen............. 16 on 40%

92' Drexler............. 25 on 41%
92' Pippen'............. 21 on 48%

93' Dominique........ 30 on 44%
93' Willis'................ 18 on 44%
93' Pippen.............. 15 on 33%

93' Barkley............. 25 on 50%
93' Pippen.............. 20 on 43%

93' Dumas............. 16 on 57% (4th option)
93' Pippen'............. 21 on 44%

95' Johnson............ 21 on 48%
95' Pippen............... 16 on 42%

96' Penny............... 26 on 47%
96' Pippen............. 19 on 45%

96' Kemp............... 23 on 50%
96' Schrempf........ 16 on 50% (3rd option)
96' Pippen............. 16 on 34%

97' Howard............. 19 on 46%
97' Murray.............. 18 on 57% (4th option)
97' Pippen.............. 17 on 39%

97' Malone'............. 24 on 44%
97' Pippen.............. 19 on 42%

98' Rice.................. 23 on 44%
98' Pippen'.............. 18 on 44%

98' Malone'.............. 25 on 50%
98' Pippen............... 16 on 41%

99' Rice.................. 18 on 55% (3rd option)
99' Pippen'............. 18 on 32%

91' Worthy'............. 19 on 47% (injured)
91' Pippen............... 20 on 50%



^^^ From 91-99', Pippen was outscored by opposing forwards or long wings in 13 of 27 series and this scoring deficit was accompanied by worst-ever efficiency and massive lane-clogging/bricklaying, zero clutch or production in high-leverage minutes, and low peak capability (not on scouting report according to Shaq)... Pippen was a system or transition player that couldn't "go off" and didn't require game-planning), and he couldn't compete on the same level as the best players in the league (Barkley, Malone, etc).

[3ba11]

.

Pippen was outscored by all frontcourt players such as:



88' Nance (SF)
89' Aguirre (SF)
89' Newman (SF)
89'' Dantley (SF)
92' X-Man (SF)
93' Dominique (SF)
95' Johnson (SF)
96' Schrempf (SF)
97' Howard (SF)

90' Barkley (PF)
91' Barkley (PF)
93' Willis (PF)
93' Barkley (PF)
96' Kemp (PF)
97' Webber (PF)
97' Malone (PF)
98' Malone (PF)

88' Daughtery (C)
88' Laimbeer (C)
89' Daughtery (C)
92' Ewing (C)
93' Ewing (C)
95' Shaq (C)
96' Shaq (C)
96' Ewing (C)
97' Alonzo (C)


^^^ Pippen was getting destroyed by all frontcourt players, while Lebron's sidekicks outplay league MVP's like Curry, Jokic or Dirk and are expected to compete evenly with the best players in the league

[3ba11]

^^^ As the previous 2 posts show, Pippen was outplayed by opposing SF's and only outscored guards that were underperforming against MJ like Starks, Dumars, Steve Smith, Ron Harper, Majerle, KJ, Porter, Stockton, Hornacek, Price, etc

He was otherwise outplayed by opposing SF's like Dominique, X-Man, Nance, Juwan Howard, Rice, Larry Johnson, Detlef Schrempf, Penny, Aguirre and many more.. Of course he never competed on the same level as the top players like Drexler, Malone, Barkley, Kemp, etc

That's the historical record..

And even though he was mostly outscoring guards that were underperforming against MJ, he was still outscored by opposing 2nd option in half the series of his career when we include Houston, Portland and his early years (88-90').

[SouBeachTalents]

Wow, those are some impressive stats in the OP.

[tpols]

Pippen was trash tbh. Broke jumper, no moves, petty and soft. The fact MJ won 6/6 titles with him is insane.

[tpols]

.

Pippen was outscored by all frontcourt players such as:



88' Nance (SF)
89' Aguirre (SF)
89' Newman (SF)
89'' Dantley (SF)
92' X-Man (SF)
93' Dominique (SF)
95' Johnson (SF)
96' Schrempf (SF)
97' Howard (SF)

90' Barkley (PF)
91' Barkley (PF)
93' Willis (PF)
93' Barkley (PF)
96' Kemp (PF)
97' Webber (PF)
97' Malone (PF)
98' Malone (PF)

88' Daughtery (C)
88' Laimbeer (C)
89' Daughtery (C)
92' Ewing (C)
93' Ewing (C)
95' Shaq (C)
96' Shaq (C)
96' Ewing (C)
97' Alonzo (C)


^^^ Pippen was getting destroyed by all frontcourt players, while Lebron's sidekicks outplay league MVP's like Curry, Jokic or Dirk and are expected to compete evenly with the best players in the league

Jamal Murray averaged 33 ppg on 50/40/90 splits vs Lebron last year. Better than any Pippen series ever. And he's a historical nobody. Old heads would scoff at anybody saying Murray was better but he factually was.