How would Curry shoot from 3 with only 1.5 attempt/game and it had to be a bailout 3?

[3ba11]

So he never gets in a rhythm (only 1 three per game) and it has to be a bailout three at the end of shot clock

Under these conditions, Curry would shoot about 33% from three, just like Jordan did in his career

Jordan had bailout volume for most of his career (less than 1.5 attempts), and anytime he had more than bailout volume, he shot well (35-43%) - this includes the 90' and 93' regular seasons, or the 93' Playoffs and 92' Finals (4 attempts on 40%).

In today's game, Jordan's goat form and motor would get in rhythm every night at 7-10 attempts per game (most of them open kickouts from today's format), so there would be a lot of shrug games.

[RRR3]

Better than Kobe would that’s for sure.

[FilmyCogTurner]

You're insane but there's something to be said about the types of shots Jordan and Kobe were forced to live with because there was no one else on the team with capable at making difficult low percentage shots. And now they're penalized for it which is funny.

[3ba11]

You're insane but there's something to be said about the types of shots Jordan and Kobe were forced to live with because there was no one else on the team with capable at making difficult low percentage shots. And now they're penalized for it which is funny.


Jordan didn't want to take threes - that's why he only took bailouts - it has nothing to do with his lack of scoring help

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AJzbrBUFB4Y&t=01m39s

[Kblaze8855]

So Steph would miss a greater percentage of threes if he stopped trying to get open and only took bad shots? So he’s out there in your hypothetical as a goat tier long range shooter with nasty off ball movement doing what? Seeking out 18 footers to score less on purpose? He’s murdering people like this:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/IllDearAntelope-size_restricted.gif




https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GrotesqueTemptingBluet-size_restricted.gif


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CarefreeVastBluebreastedkookaburra-size_restricted.gif



….and taking a step in for a worse shot in this fantasy. So he only takes threes when given the ball under duress(and we are ignoring that he initially stood out because he was the first guy to make what we used to call bailout threes look routine).


Your point basically becomes…if Steph were a ****ing moron forced to take bad shots(even while being the goat at the kind of shots he would still take) his numbers would be worse.

Rendering a great player brain dead reduces effectiveness. Killer analysis there coach. Let me make another observation only those of us on the astral plane of basketball knowledge have grasped….

People do what they are good at.

Let’s see if anyone can follow the breadcrumbs back to your initial point.

[3ba11]

So Steph would miss a greater percentage of threes if he stopped trying to get open and only took bad shots? So he’s out there in your hypothetical as a goat tier long range shooter with nasty off ball movement doing what? Seeking out 18 footers to score less on purpose? He’s murdering people like this:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/IllDearAntelope-size_restricted.gif




https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GrotesqueTemptingBluet-size_restricted.gif


….and taking a step in for a worse shot in this fantasy. So he only takes threes when given the ball under duress(and we are ignoring that he initially stood out because he was the first guy to make what we used to call bailout threes look routine).


Your point basically becomes…if Steph were a ****ing moron forced to take bad shots(even while being the goat at the kind of shots he would still take) his numbers would be worse.

Rendering a great player brain dead reduces effectiveness. Killer analysis there coach. Let me make another observation only those of us on the astral plane of basketball knowledge have grasped….

People do what they are good at.

Let’s see if anyone can follow the breadcrumbs back to your initial point.


You're playing the gif game with 1-offs?... :facepalm:.. :whatever:

Accept reality - Curry would shoot like garbage if he only got to take 1 three game (no rhythm) and it had to be a bailout - he'd be 0-1 most nights... :confusedshrug:

But obviously, Curry takes a lot more than 1 bailout a game, so he shoots much better, JUST LIKE JORDAN DID WHENEVER HE TOOK MORE THAN BAILOUT VOLUME.

In today's game, Jordan's goat form and motor would get in rhythm every night at 7-10 attempts per game (most of them open kickouts from today's format), so there would be a lot of shrug games.

[FilmyCogTurner]

Jordan didn't want to take threes - that's why he only took bailouts - it has nothing to do with his lack of scoring help

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AJzbrBUFB4Y&t=01m39s

I'm pretty aware of this from the watching the majority of the mans career and the lack of scoring help does play a role in this because he was consistently the only player in uniform capable of taking highly contested bail out 3's or any other type of jumper for that matter.

[ShawkFactory]

You're playing the gif game with 1-offs?... :facepalm:.. :whatever:

Accept reality - Curry would shoot like garbage if he only got to take 1 three game (no rhythm) and it had to be a bailout - he'd be 0-1 most nights... :confusedshrug:

But obviously, Curry takes a lot more than 1 bailout a game, so he shoots much better, JUST LIKE JORDAN DID WHENEVER HE TOOK MORE THAN BAILOUT VOLUME.

In today's game, Jordan's goat form and motor would get in rhythm every night at 7-10 attempts per game (most of them open kickouts from today's format), so there would be a lot of shrug games.

I actually laughed

[Kblaze8855]

You starting an argument on Steph missing hypothetical 3s that require him to be stupid to limit himself to with “accept reality” is some of your better unintended humor.

[SouBeachTalents]

OP gets shat on in every thread he makes :lol

[3ba11]

You starting an argument on Steph missing hypothetical 3s that require him to be stupid to limit himself to with “accept reality” is some of your better unintended humor.


It's a hypothetical - and if Curry only took 1 bailout three per game, he would shoot poorly due to lack of rhythm/volume and the contested/impossible nature of bailout shots.

Yes we know that Curry would never take 1 three per game because he lacks the skill and talent to make it up at the rim, but that's Curry's viewpoint - the hypothetical asks you to look at it from Jordan's viewpoint

[Kobe_Bryant]

Better than Kobe would that’s for sure.

I shot just slightly under 34% till my Achilles injury and I took the most ridiculously highly difficult retarded three point attempts ever.


lebron averages 34% completely wide open

[JohnMax]

Name one high volume midrange shooter that attempts 7-to-10 threes a game? Closest is probably Kyrie.

[3ba11]

Name one high volume midrange shooter that attempts 7-to-10 threes a game? Closest is probably Kyrie.


In today's format, Jordan would take more than 1.5 threes per game (bailout volume), which confirms that he would shoot well in today's game because he always shot well when he wasn't shooting bailout volume - see the 90' and 93' regular seasons, or the 93' Playoffs at 40% on 4 attempts.

have you guys ever watched highlights of a Jordan game?.. It's a smorgasboard of pretty jumpshots - he's easily the goat 2-point jumpshooter and he would simply back that up to the 3-point line in today's game.. Again, he always shot well above bailout volume, and he'd be getting hot every night at 7-10 attempts.

[SouBeachTalents]

In today's format, Jordan would take more than 1.5 threes per game (bailout volume), which confirms that he would shoot well in today's game because he always shot well when he wasn't shooting bailout volume - see the 90' and 93' regular seasons, or the 93' Playoffs at 40% on 4 attempts.

have you guys ever watched highlights of a Jordan game?.. It's a smorgasboard of pretty jumpshots
Well, not always


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsjukb2NttM

[Kblaze8855]

It's a hypothetical - and if Curry only took 1 bailout three per game, he would shoot poorly due to lack of rhythm/volume and the contested/impossible nature of bailout shots.

Yes we know that Curry would never take 1 three per game because he lacks the skill and talent to make it up at the rim, but that's Curry's viewpoint - the hypothetical asks you to look at it from Jordan's viewpoint


He doesn’t take difficult shots at the rim over and around bigs because he doesn’t have the tools. Which is the exact same reason Jordan didn’t take all the threes steph does. Jordan is far too intelligent to take a pull-up contested 20 footer if he could take it for 3 points at the rate Steph can. He couldn’t….because he was 20 before he had reason to and damn near 30 before anyone seriously cared if a player had it in his arsenal. He was on the Wizards before not having it was even looked at like a serious detriment.

He didn’t have a great 3 point game for the same reason a modern guard wouldn’t have a great 5 point game if in 2025 they add an X at 38 feet at the baselines from which you get 5 points. In 2040 everyone would have grown up working on their 5 pointer. The guys like Steph who have that range and could make a few still wouldn’t be specialized the way a lifetime 5 point shooter would be.

Its no insult to say Jordan wasn’t a good 3 point shooter. Until his game was already developed to a HOF level….there was no reason to be.

Talking about what Steph might do with his current talent if he “had” to shoot only one bailout a game is useless. Jordan never “had” to only take 1. His game didn’t justify a lot more. What kind of idiot ignores Godlike athletic ability to get a shot anyone can get?

You only do that when your ability justifies it. Like Steph.

Every 3 Jordan took was a gift even when he makes it just like Steph turning down open threes to drive would be a gift even if he makes the layup.

Its a stupid way to play given the advantage they both had in their area of expertise.


Jordan didn’t have to take only a few threes so holding Steph to that standard to make his numbers worse is ridiculous. Jordan chose to limit his threes and focus on what he was a lot better at. It’s an entirely different thing. And a perfectly reasonable thing for both of them to do.

[3ba11]

He doesn’t take difficult shots at the rim over and around bigs because he doesn’t have the tools. Which is the exact same reason Jordan didn’t take all the threes steph does. Jordan is far too intelligent to take a pull-up contested 20 footer if he could take it for 3 points at the rate Steph can. He couldn’t….because he was 20 before he had reason to and damn near 30 before anyone seriously cared if a player had it in his arsenal. He was on the Wizards before not having it was even looked at like a serious detriment.

He didn’t have a great 3 point game for the same reason a modern guard wouldn’t have a great 5 point game if in 2025 they add an X at 38 feet at the baselines from which you get 5 points. In 2040 everyone would have grown up working on their 5 pointer. The guys like Steph who have that range and could make a few still wouldn’t be specialized the way a lifetime 5 point shooter would be.

Its no insult to say Jordan wasn’t a good 3 point shooter. Until his game was already developed to a HOF level….there was no reason to be.

Talking about what Steph might do with his current talent if he “had” to shoot only one bailout a game is useless. Jordan never “had” to only take 1. His game didn’t justify a lot more. What kind of idiot ignores Godlike athletic ability to get a shot anyone can get?

You only do that when your ability justifies it. Like Steph.

Every 3 Jordan took was a gift even when he makes it just like Steph turning down open threes to drive would be a gift even if he makes the layup.

Its a stupid way to play given the advantage they both had in their area of expertise.


Jordan didn’t have to take only a few threes so holding Steph to that standard to make his numbers worse is ridiculous. Jordan chose to limit his threes and focus on what he was a lot better at. It’s an entirely different thing. And a perfectly reasonable thing for both of them to do.


Jordan had the tools to take a bunch of threes but he didn't know that it could help his offense and his team's - everyone thought threes were bad back then - they didn't know to maximize attempts until around 2015

Here's Jordan saying that he thought threes were bad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJzbrBUFB4Y&t=01m39s


That's what everyone thought back then... If someone from today's time could've taken a time machine back then and explained to him that threes were infact an optimal way to maximize team ORTG, then he would've listened just like he listened when someone told him the triangle would increase ball movement and win..

Heck, he invented an entire branch of skill to produce a lot in the triangle (mid-range game), which every clutch player has used since to win titles (Dirk, Kawhi, Kobe, KD, Pierce), so Jordan would revolutionize the 3-point game the same way... He had the tools - aka goat form, jumpshooting skill (goat 2-point jumpshooter) and drive

[hold this L]

I shot just slightly under 34% till my Achilles injury and I took the most ridiculously highly difficult retarded three point attempts ever.


lebron averages 34% completely wide open

Imagine making an account of someone that's dead and pretending to be him. What a miserable, worthless human being.

[j3lademaster]

No, Jordan still wouldn't be close to Steph's level as a 3 point shooter. Was that the point of this thread?

[Thenameless]

Jordan's better than Curry. No question there.

At three point range and beyond, Curry is better. Especially if we're talking well beyond the arc.

[Overdrive]

Heck, he invented an entire branch of skill to produce a lot in the triangle (mid-range game)[...]

Now I've heard it all. Most retarded take ever.

[3ba11]

Now I've heard it all. Most retarded take ever.


It's a fact - you didn't really think Hakeem invented the dream shake did you?

Lol.. kids

[8Ball]

Imagine making an account of someone that's dead and pretending to be him. What a miserable, worthless human being.

I broke Kenny mentally a few weeks ago.

I detailed back to him his life and how it unfolded and how it will unfold. He had a meltdown and this version of him came out. :lol

[Axe]

He never had a 50-point game in the playoffs despite having such skill. Also multiple ongoing quarter buzzer beaters, especially when done against tanking teams, are so banal these days.

[Overdrive]

It's a fact - you didn't really think Hakeem invented the dream shake did you?

Lol.. kids

"Jordan invented the midrange game".

[ELITEpower23]

I broke Kenny mentally a few weeks ago.

I detailed back to him his life and how it unfolded and how it will unfold. He had a meltdown and this version of him came out. :lol

:oldlol:

[Kobe_Bryant]

I broke Kenny mentally a few weeks ago.

I detailed back to him his life and how it unfolded and how it will unfold. He had a meltdown and this version of him came out. :lol

this is the 100th post you've made about that ken fella this week. is he your boyfriend

[hold this L]

I broke Kenny mentally a few weeks ago.

I detailed back to him his life and how it unfolded and how it will unfold. He had a meltdown and this version of him came out. :lol

Is it for sure Kenny? Not surprised if it is..

[Axe]

this is the 100th post you've made about that ken fella this week. is he your boyfriend
That thing called deflection. :kobe:

[ELITEpower23]

Is it for sure Kenny? Not surprised if it is..

100% it is.

[000]

"Jordan invented the midrange game".

:roll:

[Stephonit]

Steph is so great, critics need to create imaginary scenarios to trash him.

[3ba11]

"Jordan invented the midrange game".


MJ set the new standard for mid-range that every clutch player since has followed to win titles (Dirk, Kobe, KD, Pierce, Kawhi)

And MJ remains the goat 2-point jumpshooter/mid-range player in the history of the game - this is statistical fact and intuitive for goat scorer

[Sulico]

Why use hypotheticals?

Jordan had the season with 3.6 3PA, Steph had season with 4.6. So Curry took just 1 more 3pt shot per game.

Jordan shot 37.4%, Curry 44.2 %.

[Axe]

Steph is so great, critics need to create imaginary scenarios to trash him.
No need for those when playoff time comes.

[Phoenix]

MJ set the new standard for mid-range that every clutch player since has followed to win titles (Dirk, Kobe, KD, Pierce, Kawhi)

And MJ remains the goat 2-point jumpshooter/mid-range player in the history of the game - this is statistical fact and intuitive for goat scorer

Set the standard and 'invent' are two different things. Steph has 'set the standard' for the modern range shooter but he didn't invent the 3pointer.

[tpols]

How would Shaq shoot if he could only take 1.5 shots in the paint per game and had to take the rest outside?

Its a silly thing to ponder.

[outofstomach]

I shot just slightly under 34% till my Achilles injury and I took the most ridiculously highly difficult retarded three point attempts ever.


lebron averages 34% completely wide open:lol

[expansionera]

Old heads are delusional, Mark Price was an all star and superb three point shooter throughout the 90s. Even Bird was super accurate from three on low volume, but suddenly Curry would struggle from three? Good Lord, get a grip and let your childhood go

It’s a matter of fact that the same technological advances that have allowed today’s Olympic competitors to shatter the records of the greats of the past have pushed today’s NBA players past their predecessors in every discernible quantifiable way

[SaintzFury13]

How would Shaq shoot if he could only take 1.5 shots in the paint per game and had to take the rest outside?

Its a silly thing to ponder.

Imagine having a thread so silly that even tpols rips it apart.

[3ba11]

How would Shaq shoot if he could only take 1.5 shots in the paint per game and had to take the rest outside?

Its a silly thing to ponder.


You guys are misinterpreting what the thread title is asking

It's asking what Curry's 3-point percentage would be if he limited his attempts to 1 bailout three per game (like mj did)

I haven't gotten a single response with analysis of this scenario. You guys are playing dumb

[Phoenix]

You guys are misinterpreting what the thread title is asking

It's asking what Curry's 3-point percentage would be if he limited his attempts to 1 bailout three per game (like mj did)

No the question is well-understood, it's just an asinine talking point. Not everything you dream up to say on ISH at 3am needs a thread.

[3ba11]

No the question is well-understood, it's just an asinine talking point. Not everything you dream up to say on ISH at 3am needs a thread.


Why is it asinine - doesn't it shed light on why jordan's 3-point percentage was sub-par?

The man didn't realize that threes were good so he didn't want to take them, and therefore limited himself to 1-2 bailouts per game - this explains his sub-par percentage and it's confirmed by his good percentages anytime he took more than bailout volume

[JohnMax]

Are you saying Jordan is an elite 3-point shooter like Curry?

[Phoenix]

Why is it asinine - doesn't it shed light on why jordan's 3-point percentage was sub-par?

No, it doesn't.

[3ba11]

Are you saying Jordan is an elite 3-point shooter like Curry?


The MJ that we see on youtube - the guy that actually existed - he didn't shoot threes like Curry and not like many of today's players because he didn't grow up with the shot like today's players

but if we were scouting that same Jordan and evaluating how he'd play in our game today, we wouldn't view him as a hopeless or meager shooting case like Giannis, Zion, Simmons or Fultz - it's actually the complete opposite - our scouting report would reflect unlimited upside to his jumper because he had goat form and became the goat 2-point jumpshooter, while always shooting threes well whenever he shot more than bailout volume.. We would also note that he had several legendary "got hot" moments from three on the biggest stage (Finals).. So our scouting report would marvel at his jumper and potential - it would say how his elevation is literally the best we've ever seen, along with his form, touch and big hands for a player that height.. All his games are a smorgasbord of pretty jumpshots - the comments on his scouting videos rave about how pretty his jumper was... So again, the scouting report on Jordan's jumper for today's game should look OPPOSITE of today's bricklayers like Zion, Giannis and the like.

Ultimately, we can look at the numbers to see how Jordan would do today - we know that he shot 40% at 4 attempts or higher, and about 37% at 3 attempts - this is universal throughout his regular season and playoff career.. So if his goat form and skill got in rhythm with 7-10 attempts in today's game, he'd have a lot of shrug nights and shoot well over 40% overall.

[ShawkFactory]

The MJ that we see on youtube - the guy that actually existed - he didn't shoot threes like Curry and not like many of today's players because he didn't grow up with the shot like today's players

but if we were scouting that same Jordan and evaluating how he'd play in our game today, we wouldn't view him as a hopeless or meager shooting case like Giannis, Zion, Simmons or Fultz - it's actually the complete opposite - our scouting report would reflect unlimited upside to his jumper because he had goat form and became the goat 2-point jumpshooter, while always shooting threes well whenever he shot more than bailout volume.. We would also note that he had several legendary "got hot" moments from three on the biggest stage (Finals).. So our scouting report would marvel at his jumper and potential - it would say how his elevation is literally the best we've ever seen, along with his form, touch and big hands for a player that height.. All his games are a smorgasbord of pretty jumpshots - the comments on his scouting videos rave about how pretty his jumper was... So again, the scouting report on Jordan's jumper for today's game should look OPPOSITE of today's bricklayers like Zion, Giannis and the like.

Ultimately, we can look at the numbers to see how Jordan would do today - we know that he shot 40% at 4 attempts or higher, and about 37% at 3 attempts - this is universal throughout his regular season and playoff career.. So if his goat form and skill got in rhythm with 7-10 attempts in today's game, he'd have a lot of shrug nights and shoot well over 40% overall.

We do?

[3ba11]

We do?


1993 Playoffs.... 40% on 4 attempts....


ditto 92' Finals



and he was at 37% on 3 attempts in the 90' regular season.. (35% on 3 attempts in 93' RS)


for good shooters with good form or mechanics, the more volume on good looks = better efficiency... jordan would be getting in rhythm all the time at 7-10 attempts and have a lot of shrug games.. today's drive-and-kickout format is perfect for his on-ball game AND off-ball

[ShawkFactory]

1993 Playoffs.... 40% on 4 attempts....


ditto 92' Finals



and he was a 37% on 3 attempts in the 90' regular season.. (35% on 3 attempts in 93' RS)

:roll:

Holy shit I needed that. Thanks.

So let’s say Jordan DOES make 40 or so percent at 7 attempts a game. That’s fine.

You know Curry has been making like 45% on 10+ attempts for years now. The scenario I just accepted (even though it probably wouldn’t happen) with Jordan is night and day from the shit Curry has been doing.

A lot of guys do 38-40% on 7 attempts now

[3ba11]

:roll:

Holy shit I needed that. Thanks


Yes basing a projection off a proven historical result is a funny and "crazy" thing lol

You sir, are a fool

Ultimately, for good shooters with good form or mechanics, the more volume on good looks = better efficiency... jordan would be getting in rhythm all the time at 7-10 attempts and have a lot of shrug games.. today's drive-and-kickout format is perfect for his on-ball game AND off-ball

[ShawkFactory]

Yes basing a projection off a proven historical result is a funny and "crazy" thing lol

You sir, are a fool

Ultimately, for good shooters with good form or mechanics, the more volume on good looks = better efficiency... jordan would be getting in rhythm all the time at 7-10 attempts and have a lot of shrug games.. today's drive-and-kickout format is perfect for his on-ball game AND off-ball

Ignoring your ridiculous concept of historical results..

So let’s say Jordan DOES make 40 or so percent at 7 attempts a game. That’s fine.

You know Curry has been making like 45% on 10+ attempts for years now. The scenario I just accepted (even though it probably wouldn’t happen) with Jordan is night and day from the shit Curry has been doing.

A lot of guys do 38-40% on 7 attempts now

[3ba11]

Ignoring your ridiculous concept of historical results..

So let’s say Jordan DOES make 40 or so percent at 7 attempts a game. That’s fine.

You know Curry has been making like 45% on 10+ attempts for years now. The scenario I just accepted (even though it probably wouldn’t happen) with Jordan is night and day from the shit Curry has been doing.

A lot of guys do 38-40% on 7 attempts now


I just don't see how anyone can look at Jordan's jumper and think that somehow threes are a weakness or that he wouldn't be elite at them in today's game.. That conclusion is the worst scouting analysis ever and flies in the face of historical events (93' Playoffs, 92' Finals and good percentages above bailout volume during career)

[ShawkFactory]

I just don't see how anyone can look at Jordan's jumper and think that somehow threes are a weakness or that he wouldn't be elite at them in today's game.. That conclusion is the worst scouting analysis ever and flies in the face of historical events (93' Playoffs, 92' Finals and good percentages above bailout volume)

Who said it would be a weakness?

You’re comparing him to Curry fvckwad. And because of that...he’s going to be compared to curry. Not Giannis or whatever.

[3ba11]

Who said it would be a weakness?

You’re comparing him to Curry fvckwad. And because of that...he’s going to be compared to curry. Not Giannis or whatever.


I used the Curry example to show that even the great Curry would shoot like dogshit if he purposely limited himself to 1-2 bailout threes per game, like MJ did...

It's just further evidence that MJ's sub-par 3-point percentage can easily be explained (he essentially didn't have a sub-par 3-point percentage because he shot solidly above bailout volume).

It's pretty simple but you guys are so defensive... :facepalm:... Hey look, I like Curry - him and MJ are tight

[ShawkFactory]

I used the Curry example to show that even the great Curry would shoot like dogshit if he purposely limited himself to 1-2 bailout threes per game, like MJ did...


You didn’t show anything. You just said something with absolutely no evidence and seemingly no knowledge of Curry’s game at all.

You’re full of shit and a loser.

[Phoenix]

if you just peeled MJ out of 1992 and stuck him in 2021, he's probably still not taking more than 5 threes a night. He's instantly the best athlete at the SG spot and with today's wide open lanes, he'd make the 3 enough of a weapon to keep the defense honest enough to set-up his driving lanes. 7 threes a night? Doubt it. 4-5 threes and getting to the line 10-12 times a game with how the rules are today? Easy. MJ was a career 83% free-throw shooter. He'd probably generate 18-20 points a night just off free throws. Harden was doing that a few years ago when he dropped 36. MJ wouldn't be hitting 3's at close to the same clip but he's be mixing it up more in the mid-range( like Kawhi), curling off screens and catch and shoots.

[3ba11]

You didn’t show anything. You just said something with absolutely no evidence and seemingly no knowledge of Curry’s game at all.

You’re full of shit and a loser.


I stated an obvious fact - Curry would shoot like dogshit if he purposely limited himself to 1-2 bailout threes per game, like MJ did...

[3ba11]

if you just peeled MJ out of 1992 and stuck him in 2021, he's probably still not taking more than 5 threes a night. He's instantly the best athlete at the SG spot and with today's wide open lanes, he'd make the 3 enough of a weapon to keep the defense honest enough to set-up his driving lanes. 7 threes a night? Doubt it. 4-5 threes and getting to the line 10-12 times a game with how the rules are today? Easy. MJ was a career 83% free-throw shooter. He'd probably generate 18-20 points a night just off free throws. Harden was doing that a few years ago when he dropped 36. MJ wouldn't be hitting 3's at close to the same clip but he's be mixing it up more in the mid-range( like Kawhi), curling off screens and catch and shoots.


MJ was mostly a jumpshooter so he'd max his 3-point jumpshooting volume just like he did his 2-pt jumpers

Jordan made 700 jumpers in 97' , while curry or Lebron's highest volume season was 450

[SouBeachTalents]

You didn’t show anything. You just said something with absolutely no evidence and seemingly no knowledge of Curry’s game at all.

You’re full of shit and a loser.
:roll:

[hold this L]

You didn’t show anything. You just said something with absolutely no evidence and seemingly no knowledge of Curry’s game at all.

You’re full of shit and a loser.

https://c.tenor.com/O_KKJqulBacAAAAM/psych-gus.gif

I love it :lol

[GrayGoat]

Recipe to make a 3ball:

1. Be wrong about everything
2. Double down on it

[NBAGOAT]

if you just peeled MJ out of 1992 and stuck him in 2021, he's probably still not taking more than 5 threes a night. He's instantly the best athlete at the SG spot and with today's wide open lanes, he'd make the 3 enough of a weapon to keep the defense honest enough to set-up his driving lanes. 7 threes a night? Doubt it. 4-5 threes and getting to the line 10-12 times a game with how the rules are today? Easy. MJ was a career 83% free-throw shooter. He'd probably generate 18-20 points a night just off free throws. Harden was doing that a few years ago when he dropped 36. MJ wouldn't be hitting 3's at close to the same clip but he's be mixing it up more in the mid-range( like Kawhi), curling off screens and catch and shoots.

hardens the goat foul manipulator however and his ft rate went down this year. No one besides embiid made over 10ft/game last year. lebron still drives a ton(over 40% of his shot attempts comes from the paint) and kawhi drives more than 2nd 3peat mj(35% of his shot attempts comes from the paint) and neither guy even gets 6ft a game. teams are very particular about not sending guys to the line now(besides guys who cant make fts), even if it means giving up layups. The rest of what you said is reasonable enough.

To respond to 3ball most good shooters can expand their range but it's not that easy especially if you're looking to be more than a spot up guy. wade and derozan never did it.

[Phoenix]

hardens the goat foul manipulator however and his ft rate went down this year. No one besides embiid made over 10ft/game last year. lebron still drives a ton(over 40% of his shot attempts comes from the paint) and kawhi drives more than 2nd 3peat mj(35% of his shot attempts comes from the paint) and neither guy even gets 6ft a game. teams are very particular about not sending guys to the line now(besides guys who cant make fts), even if it means giving up layups. The rest of what you said is reasonable enough.

To respond to 3ball most good shooters can expand their range but it's not that easy especially if you're looking to be more than a spot up guy. wade and derozan never did it.

Harden didn't have the same level of carte blanche with the Nets, compared to his one man show in Houston, so it's not surprising his free throws went down. As far as comparisons for drives in today's game at the peak of his athletic powers he's gonna be good for 10+ freebies a night. As he ages I'd expect that to go down( as it did as the 90s progressed). You're not going to keep a 28 year old MJ out of the lane unless you grab him if you're going to give him the kind of spacing today's players enjoy.

[NBAGOAT]

Harden didn't have the same level of carte blanche with the Nets, compared to his one man show in Houston, so it's not surprising his free throws went down. As far as comparisons for drives in today's game at the peak of his athletic powers he's gonna be good for 10+ freebies a night. As he ages I'd expect that to go down( as it did as the 90s progressed). You're not going to keep a 28 year old MJ out of the lane unless you grab him if you're going to give him the kind of spacing today's players enjoy.

he'll score a lot in the paint but doesnt mean they would foul him that much. also will likely have to concede a bunch of open shots to teammates

[3ba11]

Recipe to make a 3ball:

1. Be wrong about everything
2. Double down on it

Curry would shoot like dogshit if he purposely limited himself to 1-2 bailout threes per game, like MJ did...

So for all we know, Jordan shoots the same as Curry from three - we don't know because we never saw him take 10 threes a game

[RRR3]

Curry would shoot like dogshit if he purposely limited himself to 1-2 bailout threes per game, like MJ did...

So for all we know, Jordan shoots the same as Curry from three - we don't know because we never saw him take 10 threes a game
You are on meth.

[Overdrive]

MJ set the new standard for mid-range that every clutch player since has followed to win titles (Dirk, Kobe, KD, Pierce, Kawhi)

And MJ remains the goat 2-point jumpshooter/mid-range player in the history of the game - this is statistical fact and intuitive for goat scorer

Sam Jones hit clutch midrange shots before Jordan was even born. :lol

[SaintzFury13]

I stated an obvious fact - Curry would shoot like dogshit if he purposely limited himself to 1-2 bailout threes per game, like MJ did...

Why on earth would he do something like that?

[LeCola]

There is no era Curry would attempt only 1.5 3pt shots. If he played in 80s he would still attempt a lot.

How many center-guard duos could stop him on pick&rolls in an era zone defence is not allowed? Remember his plays with Bogut.

If they don't switch he would find space for a 3 point shot easily.

If they switch, how can a 80's center stop him when he plays isolation and goes for a step back three?

[3ba11]

There is no era Curry would attempt only 1.5 3pt shots. If he played in 80s he would still attempt a lot.

How many center-guard duos could stop him on pick&rolls in an era zone defence is not allowed? Remember his plays with Bogut.

If they don't switch he would find space for a 3 point shot easily.

If they switch, how can a 80's center stop him when he plays isolation and goes for a step back three?


again...

IF HE DID limit himself to 1 bailout three per game, he would shoot like dogshit from three like MJ did

so there's no need to say that MJ couldn't shoot threes because the numbers show he always shot well above bailout volume just like today's players

[RRR3]

again...

IF HE DID limit himself to 1 bailout three per game, he would shoot like dogshit from three like MJ did

so there's no need to say that MJ couldn't shoot threes because the numbers show he always shot well above bailout volume just like today's players
Shut up, Snivelly.

[LeCola]

again...

IF HE DID limit himself to 1 bailout three per game, he would shoot like dogshit from three like MJ did

so there's no need to say that MJ couldn't shoot threes because the numbers show he always shot well above bailout volume just like today's players

Why would he limit himself?

[FKAri]

How could Michael Jordan be good at basketball if he was so bad at basketball?
Checkmate, OP.

[Sulico]

I stated an obvious fact - Curry would shoot like dogshit if he purposely limited himself to 1-2 bailout threes per game, like MJ did...

Curry would shoot 78.4% from 3pt% if he attempt 4 or less threes in a game, that's a fact.

So Jordan, who averaged 19.4% from 3pt in 1997 playoffs while shooting 3.5 attempts per game, trails Curry by 59% at the 3pt line.

Add 10% to that because 3PT line was shorter in 1997 and we have 69%

So if Curry shooting 43% 3PT in todays game, Jordan would shoot negative 26%. More than quarter of his shots would end up in his own basket.

Just stating obvious facts btw.

[Shogon]

How would Curry shoot from the FT line if he always had to be blindfolded while doing so?

This question is on par with OP's question in terms of validity and worthiness of discussion, and yet here you all are, entertaining his bullshit trolling... thread after thread after thread.

[RRR3]

Curry would shoot 78.4% from 3pt% if he attempt 4 or less threes in a game, that's a fact.

So Jordan, who averaged 19.4% from 3pt in 1997 playoffs while shooting 3.5 attempts per game, trails Curry by 59% at the 3pt line.

Add 10% to that because 3PT line was shorter in 1997 and we have 69%

So if Curry shooting 43% 3PT in todays game, Jordan would shoot negative 26%. More than quarter of his shots would end up in his own basket.

Just stating obvious facts btw.
:roll:

[Kblaze8855]

Imagine a team today defending Steph like Jordan even when he was making 3s. He might shoot 50% from 3 with everyone sagged into the paint. Just like Jordan defended outside like Steph with these spaced floors would shoot 55-60 percent just off driving for borderline uncontested layups. Both scenarios require the D to be stupid and make no adjustments of course but 3ball hypothetical situations never consider such things.

[Phoenix]

Curry would shoot like dogshit if he purposely limited himself to 1-2 bailout threes per game, like MJ did...



So..... you're saying that MJ back in 1990 went into a game with a premeditated plan to 'limit himself' to 1-2 bail-out 3's for which he couldn't possibly predict he would be in position to take....or decide not to take based on some arbitrary quota he set for himself? So if he's in a game where he's taken 2 bailouts( end of a quarter, end of a half, end of a shotclock) and some late game scenario arose that required he take another one. But......he's already taken his 2 previously in the game so that's it since he's already met his per game quota.

Do you realize how fukking stupid you sound?

[hold this L]

So..... you're saying that MJ back in 1990 went into a game with a premeditated plan to 'limit himself' to 1-2 bail-out 3's for which he couldn't possibly predict he would be in position to take....or decide not to take based on some arbitrary quota he set for himself? So if he's in a game where he's taken 2 bailouts( end of a quarter, end of a half, end of a shotclock) and some late game scenario arose that required he take another one. But......he's already taken his 2 previously in the game so that's it since he's already met his per game quota.

Do you realize how fukking stupid you sound?

2ball's entire career on ish simplified

[tpols]

So if Curry shooting 43% 3PT in todays game, Jordan would shoot negative 26%. More than quarter of his shots would end up in his own basket.


I legit LOL'ed. :lol

[3ba11]

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This thread is not to bash Curry, who I have as top 5 all-time (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward))... It's to point out that even the great Curry wouldn't shoot that well from 3 if he limited himself to 1 bailout three per game (highly-contested three at the end of shot clock), like Jordan did.

Curry simply wouldn't be able to get in a rhythm or shoot well with just 1 highly-contested attempt per game.. Jordan was similar because he always shot well whenever he took more than bailout volume - so in today's high volume 3-point offenses, he would get hot all the time and have many "shrug" games at 6-10 attempts per games.

[SATAN]

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