Are the 2022 Warriors a Superteam?

[Stephonit]

I think not but I don't know how some of you guys think so I thought I'd put the question out there.

[000]

I think not but I don't know how some of you guys think so I thought I'd put the question out there.
Absolutely. The Warriors have been a superteam since they had MVP Curry

[Stephonit]

Absolutely. The Warriors have been a superteam since they had MVP Curry

What definition of superteam are you going by? Simply the "Stephen Curry is on it therefore it is a superteam" definition?

[000]

Simply the "Stephen Curry is on it therefore it is a superteam" definition?
Well duh

[Stephonit]

Well duh

Bold take. I'm tempted to agree but I'm conscious I might be accused of bias. It also seems mean to show such confidence in Curry when others cannot summon such confidence in their favorite player.

[8Ball]

If Klay was peak Klay than yes.

But the man hasn't played basketball in 2 years.

[j3lademaster]

Absolutely not, what kind of question is that? I think they’ll be very good, because they’re adding Klay to a team who was 1 win away from the playoffs. Draymond has been utter trash since 2020 and has become an overrated defender living off reputation. Wiggins is pretty good but a career loser. I think last year was the only season he won 40 games other than the year Wolves had Butler. Correct me if I’m wrong. If Curry somewhat repeats his incredible 2021 Champaign, Klay comes back into form and Wiseman develops into their 3rd star(which isn’t impossible) the Warriors will be a super team. That’s a lot of ‘if’s’, so for now I have to say no.

[Wally450]

Lots of people loosely throwing out the word Superteam nowadays.

[000]

Bold take. I'm tempted to agree but I'm conscious I might be accused of bias. It also seems mean to show such confidence in Curry when others cannot summon such confidence in their favorite player.
I dont have "confidence" that the sun will rise in the morning. I just know it.

[3ba11]

Great thread OP - it shows how dumb people are

Klay/Dray were 1st time all-stars in 2016 and the Warriors weren't the preseason favorite - so they weren't a super-team, yet people said they were a super-team after they won 73 games - that's how dumb people are - they slap the super-team label on AFTER THE FACT based on regular season wins, when super-teams are based on pre-existing talent (3 elite scoring options), which the Warriors didn't have.. They weren't a super-team until KD got there.

[NBAGOAT]

warriors were borderline superteam back then though ofc they werent on paper. curry became mvp level kind of out of nowhere in 15 and klay/dray swapped being all-nba caliber and all star caliber in 15 and 16. You need elite help even around a mvp and all time peak to be that dominant. Now they arent, draymond is just a high end role player now though I still think he's very good unlike some people. it be a huge surprise if klay played at an all star level.

[Gohan]

Great thread OP - it shows how dumb people are

Klay/Dray were 1st time all-stars in 2016 and the Warriors weren't the preseason favorite - so they weren't a super-team, yet people said they were a super-team after they won 73 games - that's how dumb people are - they slap the super-team label on AFTER THE FACT based on regular season wins, when super-teams are based on pre-existing talent (3 elite scoring options), which the Warriors didn't have.. They weren't a super-team until KD got there.

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[Stephonit]

If the Warriors win this year it will be fun seeing all the haters screaming Curry only won because his team was stacked with guys like Jordan Poole.

[Bronbron23]

I think not but I don't know how some of you guys think so I thought I'd put the question out there.

No but they're gonna be a very good one.

[k0kakw0rld]

They will be in the play-in again. They are way too overrated. The league already caught up to them.

[Axe]

If the Warriors win this year it will be fun seeing all the haters screaming Curry only won because his team was stacked with guys like Jordan Poole.
No, we already have proof that saint stephen can't carry the warriors alone to the playoffs without klay.

[Stephonit]

No, we already have proof that saint stephen can't carry the warriors alone to the playoffs without klay.

Proof of what? No one else in history has carried a team that was last in the league the previous year to the playoffs under the criteria required last year.

[hold this L]

They will be in the play-in again. They are way too overrated. The league already caught up to them.

Damn, another kokaworld L-tier prediction

[j3lademaster]

They will be in the play-in again. They are way too overrated. The league already caught up to them.no, the league really hasn’t. Steph was on pace to break his own 3 point record on unreal ts while leading the league in scoring. The rest of the team just sucks. Wiseman has flashes, but he was lost out there most of the time(which is fine he was 20), Draymond sucks, Wiggins and Poole are ok. That was Steph’s help and yet he was 1 game from the playoffs.

[GrayGoat]

Can Curry still win a fmvp?

[000]

Can Curry still win a fmvp?

:wtf::facepalm

[Bronbron23]

They will be in the play-in again. They are way too overrated. The league already caught up to them.

Play in? Nah man trippin. If klay is healthy they'll be no worse than 5th.

[Manny98]

The only superteam in the NBA right now are the Lakers and maybe the Nets as well

[Stephonit]

Can Curry still win a fmvp?

Curry has bigger fish to fry. He's gunning for greatest player to ever play the game not some metallic ornament they hand out every year.

[Axe]

Proof of what? No one else in history has carried a team that was last in the league the previous year to the playoffs under the criteria required last year.
D-wade carried the miami heat to 43 wins in 2009 and ended up as the 5th seed after winning only 15 games in the preceding year. Don't be a fool.

[k0kakw0rld]

Play in? Nah man trippin. If klay is healthy they'll be no worse than 5th.

Klay is coming back midway through the season.

[k0kakw0rld]

Damn, another kokaworld L-tier prediction
I predicted that the Warriors would be the only team capable of beating the 2019 Warriors and the Raptors won. Don't bring me any injuries excuses, please. How many healthy Teams have the Warriors beaten in their championship runs?

[Axe]

Can Curry still win a fmvp?
:yaohappy:

[GrayGoat]

:yaohappy:
:biggums::oldlol:

[Bronbron23]

Klay is coming back midway through the season.

Didn't know that thought he was back soon but that should still be enough to get them in playoffs. Not as confident with 5th or better though. I'll say 5th or 6th place

[hold this L]

The only superteam in the NBA right now are the Lakers and maybe the Nets as well

:lol at maybe. FOH. Massive favorites and if they don't win this year, it will be the biggest choke for such a talented team to not win once in 2 years.

[NBAGOAT]

Didn't know that thought he was back soon but that should still be enough to get them in playoffs. Not as confident with 5th or better though. I'll say 5th or 6th place

we just dont know how good klay will be.

[hold this L]

I predicted that the Warriors would be the only team capable of beating the 2019 Warriors and the Raptors won. Don't bring me any injuries excuses, please. How many healthy Teams have the Warriors beaten in their championship runs?
What's your point? You beat a team that was starting Quinn Cook. Stop it.

If Warriors don't get decimated with injuries this season, you have to be stupid to think Warriors are a playin team. Last season when Curry played, they would be a 5th seed in the West. And that was with the worst bench in the entire league that had the worst OFF of any team in 5 years, and they went 2-7 when the Chef was out. They added Bjelica, Otto, possibly Bradley. One of the biggest issues was that nobody outside of Curry, Dray, Loon knew the system last season until the end of it. Now JTA, Poole, Wiggins know the system which shouldn't cause as many issues as it did for the team in the first half of the season. And then anything from Wiseman, Kuminga, and Moody that is a positive, is a good thing for the team. And of course, Klay will be back at some point be it December or post ASB.

[NBAGOAT]

What's your point? You beat a team that was starting Quinn Cook. Stop it.

If Warriors don't get decimated with injuries this season, you have to be stupid to think Warriors are a playin team. Last season when Curry played, they would be a 5th seed in the West. And that was with the worst bench in the entire league that had the worst OFF of any team in 5 years, and they went 2-7 when the Chef was out. They added Bjelica, Otto, possibly Bradley. One of the biggest issues was that nobody outside of Curry, Dray, Loon knew the system last season until the end of it. Now JTA, Poole, Wiggins know the system which shouldn't cause as many issues as it did for the team in the first half of the season. And then anything from Wiseman, Kuminga, and Moody that is a positive, is a good thing for the team. And of course, Klay will be back at some point be it December or post ASB.

the west is really good this year, it's not impossible the warriors are a playin team. Otto and bjelica is better than the crap the warriors had last year but they're no guarantees to make an impact. Otto cant stay healthy and bjelica couldnt get significant playing on a miami team that was playing old ariza/iggy at the 4. Bradley also did basically nothing last year.

dallas was killed by covid last year and upgraded too from richardson to bullock. There's some hope there porzingis bounces back. You can laugh at portland doing anything in the playoffs but their dame/cj/powell/covington/nurkic lineup was one of the best in the league during the regular season and they went from melo/kanter killing their defense to nance/zeller. They do have health issues but they got a bit more competent depth this year. Nuggets and clippers are missing their top guys but they're still very deep. clippers not so much but denver can be better than gs if klay's not too good, jokic/porter/gordon is still a pretty good trio.

[hold this L]

the west is really good this year, it's not impossible the warriors are a playin team. Otto and bjelica is better than the crap the warriors had last year but they're no guarantees to make an impact. Otto cant stay healthy and bjelica couldnt get significant playing on a miami team that was playing old ariza/iggy at the 4. Bradley also did basically nothing last year.

dallas was killed by covid last year and upgraded too from richardson to bullock. There's some hope there porzingis bounces back. You can laugh at portland doing anything in the playoffs but their dame/cj/powell/covington/nurkic lineup was one of the best in the league during the regular season and they went from melo/kanter killing their defense to nance/zeller. They do have health issues but they got a bit more competent depth this year. Nuggets and clippers are missing their top guys but they're still very deep. clippers not so much but denver can be better than gs if klay's not too good, jokic/porter/gordon is still a pretty good trio.

Yeah, I'm not buying it. If they're healthy, they're making top 4. If the team isn't literally the worst team in the league without Curry last season, I'll put my money on the guy that has more impact than anyone in the West has had for the last decade during RS on an annual basis. Team has improved, but I agree that OPJ has been really injury prone and Bjelica is definitely a gamble. He's basically the discount K. Love they want.

[NBAGOAT]

Yeah, I'm not buying it. If they're healthy, they're making top 4. If the team isn't literally the worst team in the league without Curry last season, I'll put my money on the guy that has more impact than anyone in the West has had for the last decade during RS on an annual basis. Team has improved, but I agree that OPJ has been really injury prone and Bjelica is definitely a gamble. He's basically the discount K. Love they want.

well jokic was impactful as curry last regular season. I wouldnt predict it going forward but he was that good offensively last year. Also GS doesnt have a great team around him so that cancels out curry being better than every other team's star(depending on klay). I still like dray but he's below average for a 2nd guy for a playoff team and wiggins is below average for a 3rd guy. I get curry/dray/competent pieces is a walking 50 win team but that might not be enough in the west to get the 4 seed.

[Stephonit]

D-wade carried the miami heat to 43 wins in 2009 and ended up as the 5th seed after winning only 15 games in the preceding year. Don't be a fool.

A 52.4% win rate for the Heat against a 54.1% win rate for the Warriors despite missing 3x as many games as Wade. Shows you how 27 year old peak Wade playing 38 minutes compares to 33 year old Curry playing 34 minutes. Curry on a higher level.

[Axe]

A 52.4% win rate for the Heat against a 54.1% win rate for the Warriors despite missing 3x as many games as Wade. Shows you how 27 year old peak Wade playing 38 minutes compares to 33 year old Curry playing 34 minutes. Curry on a higher level.
Deflection. At least the heat got to play in the playoffs while the dubs had b2b losses in the play ins aka losers bracket, also the first in league history.

[Stephonit]

Deflection. At least the heat got to play in the playoffs while the dubs had b2b losses in the play ins aka losers bracket, also the first in league history.

There you have it, first in league history. Therefore no direct comparisons can be made after the divergence in rules. But up to the point direct comparisons can be made Curry's performance was superior.

[Axe]

There you have it, first in league history. Therefore no direct comparisons can be made after the divergence in rules. But up to the point direct comparisons can be made Curry's performance was superior.
First team ever in the league to lose two-straight games in a single play-in tournament, that is despite him averaging almost 40 points in that span! :yaohappy:

[Bronbron23]

we just dont know how good klay will be.

That's true. I'm assuming he'll be close to his regular self which would be enough but we'll have to wait and see. I mean they technically got the 8 seed last year with no klay. I would think with a healthy klay for even 30 games would be enough of a factor to get them to the 5th or 6th spot.

[hold this L]

well jokic was impactful as curry last regular season. I wouldnt predict it going forward but he was that good offensively last year. Also GS doesnt have a great team around him so that cancels out curry being better than every other team's star(depending on klay). I still like dray but he's below average for a 2nd guy for a playoff team and wiggins is below average for a 3rd guy. I get curry/dray/competent pieces is a walking 50 win team but that might not be enough in the west to get the 4 seed.
Jokic did not have the 2nd worst spacing in the entire league last season, even with the major injury to his teammate. Dray has fallen off big time, but the issues weren't as much Wiggins and Dray. I agree purely 2nd and 3rd they may not be the best, but the main issues were most of the team not being used to the system and complete lack of depth. The team was legitimately the worst in the league without Curry last season, no way that's the case this year.

Bjelica and OPJ are massive key pieces for this team, and them working (or not) may help define the team. OPJ being healthy or injury prone is massive, but if he can play 15-20MPG healthy at his level that's already an upside to just about anything anyone else in the team can do. We'll see if Bjelica can stay on the floor as well, but if he's a mediocre defender with his shooting, Warriors will be able to space the floor out real well.

[NBAGOAT]

Jokic did not have the 2nd worst spacing in the entire league last season, even with the major injury to his teammate. Dray has fallen off big time, but the issues weren't as much Wiggins and Dray. I agree purely 2nd and 3rd they may not be the best, but the main issues were most of the team not being used to the system and complete lack of depth. The team was legitimately the worst in the league without Curry last season, no way that's the case this year.

Bjelica and OPJ are massive key pieces for this team, and them working (or not) may help define the team. OPJ being healthy or injury prone is massive, but if he can play 15-20MPG healthy at his level that's already an upside to just about anything anyone else in the team can do. We'll see if Bjelica can stay on the floor as well, but if he's a mediocre defender with his shooting, Warriors will be able to space the floor out real well.

Oh jokic absolutely had a better team on offense even when Murray was out. still just because his team was better does not mean he wasn’t carrying as much as curry last yeah. Gs was 20th in offense, Denver was 7th. Carrying the worst in the league to 20th is not necessarily more impressive than carrying a mediocre to bad offense to 7th (Denver absolutely was not good around jokic on offense when Murray was out and below average even with murray). Again I wouldn’t necessarily count on it repeating itself in the future as curry has been that level for years while jokics shown it for one year

[hold this L]

Oh jokic absolutely had a better team on offense even when Murray was out. still just because his team was better does not mean he wasn’t carrying as much as curry last yeah. Gs was 20th in offense, Denver was 7th. Carrying the worst in the league to 20th is not necessarily more impressive than carrying a mediocre to bad offense to 7th (Denver absolutely was not good around jokic on offense when Murray was out and below average even with murray). Again I wouldn’t necessarily count on it repeating itself in the future as curry has been that level for years while jokics shown it for one year
The question is where were they offensively when Curry was on the court, rather than looking at it overall. It wasn't that they were bad offensively when he was off the court, they were historically awful relative to the league now anyway. So it's not the same as lets say he's taking a 29th offensive team to 20th when the disparity in attack from 30th to 29th is massive. I'm curious if someone can find that out.


I just don't see this massive quantity level from the West. Blazers are as usual, 1st round fodder that will fight for 5-8, Denver is missing their 2nd best guy for most of the season, Clippers is missing their best guy for possibly the whole season. Lakers, Utah, Suns I get. Everyone else? I'm not seeing what they have over the Warriors through an 82 season, if again, they remain relatively healthy.

[3ba11]

Klay/Dray were 1st time all-stars in 2016 and the Warriors weren't the preseason favorite - so they weren't a super-team, yet people said they were a super-team after they won 73 games - that's how dumb people are - they slap the super-team label on AFTER THE FACT based on regular season wins, when super-teams are based on pre-existing talent (3 elite scoring options), which the Warriors didn't have.. They weren't a super-team until KD got there.. Indeed, Lebron had super-teams but never beat any









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[NBAGOAT]

The question is where were they offensively when Curry was on the court, rather than looking at it overall. It wasn't that they were bad offensively when he was off the court, they were historically awful relative to the league now anyway. So it's not the same as lets say he's taking a 29th offensive team to 20th when the disparity in attack from 30th to 29th is massive. I'm curious if someone can find that out.


I just don't see this massive quantity level from the West. Blazers are as usual, 1st round fodder that will fight for 5-8, Denver is missing their 2nd best guy for most of the season, Clippers is missing their best guy for possibly the whole season. Lakers, Utah, Suns I get. Everyone else? I'm not seeing what they have over the Warriors through an 82 season, if again, they remain relatively healthy.

Well then we might as well use raw +/- to evaluate that. Those numbers aren’t easy to find however. The other impact metrics which are based on +/- have jokic on Curry’s level on offense last year. Tbf wiseman did a lot to singlehandedly bring down how good gs’ offense was even with curry.

I can’t disagree about the 4 seed I was playing a little devils advocate but it’s possible. Nuggets and clippers have injuries but both are still good teams because of depth, more so Denver. Blazers have a better lineup than they have other years and upgraded their bench I would say even more than the warriors. Ofc injuries which are usually an issue for them can ruin their season. The mavs have maybe the strongest case, had a solid record last year even with all their injuries and porzingis not being very good. Took the healthy clippers to 7.

[Stephonit]

If the Warriors win this year, I expect the trolls to be whining once again about Curry being on a superteam.

League will of course oblige with that narrative. Maybe people should get in early and start placing bets for Jordan Poole for FMVP.

[SATAN]

Yes.

[Axe]

If the Warriors win this year, I expect the trolls to be whining once again about Curry being on a superteam.

League will of course oblige with that narrative. Maybe people should get in early and start placing bets for Jordan Poole for FMVP.
With klay, it is a possibility.

[Stephonit]

With klay, it is a possibility.

A possibility? What a pusillanimous answer.

[RRR3]

If the Warriors win this year, I expect the trolls to be whining once again about Curry being on a superteam.

League will of course oblige with that narrative. Maybe people should get in early and start placing bets for Jordan Poole for FMVP.
Not sure how the Warriors could possibly win this year. Curry isn’t god despite what you think. He simply doesn’t have the cast necessary to win since Draymond declined and with a Klay that’s likely much worse too.

[Axe]

A possibility? What a pusillanimous answer.
If not win it all, at least they would likely make the playoffs this time with klay coming back at some point of the upcoming season.

[Axe]

No curry, no problem.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=22gBV3YhwFk

[LeCola]

Answer:

Yes, if they play against Lakers in playoffs.

[Stephonit]

I'm wondering if anyone has changed their mind.

[Bronbron23]

I'm wondering if anyone has changed their mind.

Doubt it. They definitely aren't a super team but once healthy they're gonna be as good as anyone. People are sleeping on the warriors this year. The more i see the other teams in the league play the more i think warriors have a great chance at winning it all. They still play the smartest basketball while most of the other teams are playing an inferior ball dominant style of play.

[Stephonit]

22 games in and the Warriors are on a 70-win pace and still have the best record in the league. Predictable wasn't it?

[ArbitraryWater]

i dont think so.

ofc as a team theyre a "superteam" as in great, but not as in elite unfairly individually pieced..

its the team work, synergy and 1 guy emphasis that makes it work.

[Bronbron23]

22 games in and the Warriors are on a 70-win pace and still have the best record in the league. Predictable wasn't it?

Very predictable actually. I predicted them to dominate early. You could see from jump the rest if the league is playing an inferior ball dominant style while the warriors still move the ball better than anyone. They also value defense as much as offense unlike alot of teams in this era who just want a up and down fast pace three point and layup line. Easy call tbh.

And they're not winning 70 dude. 65-68 is likely though

[Micku]

It depends on your definition of a Superteam.

They don't have what other ppl consider to be top 20 players other than Curry on the team.

With the Lakers, their second and third options are better than anyone on the Warriors not named Curry.

But what they have is a well put together team that fit nicely. And sometimes that's better than putting a bunch of talent together. Sometimes it's better to get players that fit with your best player, coaching, and system to produce the best result than getting a star or stars that don't fit at all. Not all the time, but it's like that sometimes. We see that many times in nba history.

But when Klay and Wiseman come back, and if they are all-star lvl, I'mma visit this conversation again. lol

[kawhileonard2]

A 1 star team. Basically Bulls 1991, 1998, Cavs 2009, Raptors 2019.

[Baller789]

It depends on your definition of a Superteam.


Really? How many definitions of a superteam are there?

[rmt]

IMO, a super team is one which has multiple proven FRANCHISE players - meaning NETS (Durant, Harden, Kyrie) and Lakers (Lebron [admittedly past his prime], Davis).

[Stephonit]

They have another all-star! The team changing the career direction and refashioning the narrative of yet another player. It's like the Warriors are The Love Boat or Fantasy Island.

[Axe]

They have another all-star! The team changing the career direction and refashioning the narrative of yet another player. It's like the Warriors are The Love Boat or Fantasy Island.
Yikes, no excuses to not make the playoffs this year.