RealGM thinks Wade is better than Kobe

[JohnMax]

Was Prime Wade same tier as Prime Kobe or tier below? (https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2126129)

I hope I'm not breaking site rules by posting/linking to RealGM but it shocked me to see so many people pick Wade over Kobe.

Edit: Poll makes it seem respectable but it's actually lopsided when you read the written replies.

[j3lademaster]

Wow. And quite a few of them think it's "not even close". Kobe has officially become underrated.

[SouBeachTalents]

According to that poll 167 people thought Kobe was either better than or much better than Wade, 137 thought Wade was better, while 108 thought they were even.

So while the Wade was better option has the most votes, according to that poll more voters believe Kobe was better.

[Kobe_Bryant]

I heard they also think garnett, Robinson and Malone are above me on some of their lists they've made. one more nobody doesn't surprise me

[Gohan]

According to that poll 167 people thought Kobe was either better than or much better than Wade, 137 thought Wade was better, while 108 thought they were even.

So while the Wade was better option has the most votes, according to that poll more voters believe Kobe was better.

No excuses theres literally no reason to believe that wade is on the same level as kobe. He wasnt close dude is overrated to hell and wade use to be one of my fave players and i hated kobe(though love him now)

[Kobe_Bryant]

No excuses theres literally no reason to believe that wade is on the same level as kobe. He wasnt close dude is overrated to hell and wade use to be one of my fave players and i hated kobe(though love him now)



well ISH just voted Stephen curry on my level so why not wade

[Gohan]

well ISH just voted Stephen curry on my level so why not wade

Curry is on a whole nother level too

[Kobe_Bryant]

Curry is on a whole nother level too

I dunno wade dominated a finals as clear cut lead dog. Shaq averaged 13ppg

curry never did anything like that

both have 3 rings. one guys missing league mvps. the other guys missing finals mvps.. Wade's style is more suited for the playoffs tbh.. if I was selecting guys for my playoff team and I have 2006 to 2011 wade or 2015 to 2020 curry.. I'd take all 5 versions of wade ahead of all 5 versions of curry

[90sgoat]

RealGM is a highly manipulated place for losers that worship Lebron.

They ban everyone who disagrees.

[Cold soul]

RealGM sucks major ass why post anything from there. That place is the worst of the worst.

[j3lademaster]

RealGM is a highly manipulated place for losers that worship Lebron.

They ban everyone who disagrees.Then why not throw Wade under the bus to make Lebron look better?

[SouBeachTalents]

Then why not throw Wade under the bus to make Lebron look better?
Let's see him try to spin that one :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Always funny how everyone who hates RealGM is invariably a LeBron hater and/or a Kobe stan lol

[Kobe_Bryant]

Always funny how everyone who hates RealGM is invariably a LeBron hater and/or a Kobe stan lol

maybe because they ban my fans after 1 post

[RRR3]

They ban you for being a troll kenny.

[Jacks3]

Kobe is winning the poll and pretty easily at that.

[FultzNationRISE]

If you exclude low-priority values like aesthetics and "weapons in the arsenal" and simply compare their impact on teams with similar talent... I'd be inclined to take Wade's peak over Bean's.

Longevity is a different issue because Wade's peak was only about 5 years long while Kobe's was, what... 8 or 9? But in terms of consistency during their respective peaks... Wade is more reliable to me. I don't need 81 vs the Raptors with a whole bunch of stinkers mixed in. I'll take a steady 28-7-5 night in and night out.

So peak for peak, I've got Michael over Sonny.

The only real shame is that his peak was 100%, definitively, indisputably over by the time he coat-tailed LeChosen1. So we never got to see them play at a high level together.

[90sgoat]

Then why not throw Wade under the bus to make Lebron look better?

They'll claim that Wade was injured and broken when Lebron was in Miami.

[FultzNationRISE]

Truth be told, Wade was injured and broken down when Lebron was in Miami.

[Kobe_Bryant]

Truth be told, Wade was injured and broken down when Lebron was in Miami.




2011 first round:
Wade - 22/8/5 with 53%ts PERFORMED BETTER
Bosh - 20/9/1 with 54%ts PERFORMED BETTER
vs
Best 76er player Brand - 15/8/0 with 57%ts


2011 2nd round:
Wade - 30/7/5 with 55%ts PERFORMED BETTER
vs
Best celtic player Pierce - 19/5/3 with 57%ts


2011 3rd round:
Bosh - 23/8/1 with 69%ts PERFORMED BETTER
vs
Bulls best player Rose - 23/4/6 with 43%ts


2011 finals:
Wade - 27/7/5 with 61%ts PERFORMED BETTER
vs
Mavs best player Dirk - 26/9/2 with 53%ts


2012 2nd round:
Wade - 26/6/3 with 54%ts PERFORMED BETTER
vs
Pacers best player Granger - 13/4/3 with 48%ts

2012 3rd round:
Wade - 21/6/5 with 52%ts PERFORMED BETTER
vs
Bostons best player Garnett - 19/9/1 with 52%ts????
or Pierce - 18/4/2 with 43%ts? lol


2013 1st round:
Allen - 17/4/2 with 66%ts PERFORMED BETTER
vs
bucks best player Ellis - 14/3/5 with 45%ts

2013 2nd round:
Bosh - 14/9/2 with 56%ts EVEN
vs
Bulls best player butler - 15/6/2 with 58%ts

2013 Finals:
Wade - 20/4/5/2 with 51%ts EVEN
vs
Spurs best player Duncan 18/12/1 with 55%ts

2014 2nd round:
Wade - 18/4/4 with 55%ts EVEN
vs
nets best player johnson 20/4/2 with 65%ts

2014 finals:
Wade - 15/4/3/2 with 50%ts EVEN
vs
Spurs best player Kawhi - 17/6/2/2 with 75%ts

2015 first round:
Kyrie - 23/5/4 with 58%ts PERFORMED BETTER
vs
Boston best player Thomas - 17/3/7 with 51%ts

2015 2nd round:
Kyrie - 18/2/3 with 59%ts PERFORMED BETTER
vs
Bulls best player Rose - 21/5/6 with 45%ts

2015 3rd round:
Jr Smith - 18/8/2 with 66%ts PERFORMED BETTER
vs
Hawks best player - Teague 21/3/4 with 52%ts

2016 first round:
Kyrie - 28/2/5 with 59%ts PERFORMED BETTER
vs
Pistons best player Drummond - 16/9/0 with 48%ts

2016 2nd round:
Kyrie - 21/2/6 with 62%ts PERFORMED BETTER
Love - 19/13/3 with 50%ts PERFORMED BETTER
vs
Hawks best player millsap - 17/10/3 with 50%ts

2016 3rd round:
Kyrie - 24/3/5 with 56%ts EVEN
vs
Raptors best player derozan - 23/3/3 with 56%ts

2016 finals:
Kyrie - 27/4/4/2 with 56%ts PERFORMED BETTER
vs
Warriors best player curry - 22/5/4 with 58%ts

2017 2nd round:
Kyrie - 22/3/9 with 50%ts PERFORMED BETTER
vs
Raptors best player derozan - 20/4/4 with 51%ts

2017 3rd round:
Kyrie - 26/2/5 with 76%ts PERFORMED BETTER
vs
Boston best player Bradley 19/4/2 with 48%ts

2018 2nd round:
Love - 21/12/2 with 59%ts PERFORMED BETTER
vs
Raptors best player lowry - 18/3/9 with 73%ts

2020 1st round:
Davis - 30/9/4 with 66%ts PERFORMED BETTER
vs
blazers best player lillard - 24/3/4 with 61%ts

2020 2nd round:
Davis - 26/12/4 with 66%ts PERFORMED BETTER(defense included)
vs
rockets best player harden - 29/4/7 with 66%ts

2020 3rd round:
Davis - 31/6/3 with 67%ts PERFORMED BETTER
vs
Nuggets best player Murray - 25/4/7 with 63%ts

2020 finals:
Davis - 25/11/3 with 67%ts PERFORMED BETTER(defense included)
vs
Heat best player Butler - 26/8/9 with 65%ts



:confusedshrug: whatsupwitdat?

:lol

[1987_Lakers]

Don't see how this is news, only clear edge peak Kobe had over peak Wade was his jumper, Wade was a better finisher, more efficient, better passer & defender. Both were basically on the same level as players, but I can see why people would say Wade had a better peak.

[Sportal]

RealGM sucks major ass why post anything from there. That place is the worst of the worst.

This place is literal dog shit. At this point you might just be comparing shit with shit.

As for the post... I don't think Wade, as a huge Wade fan... I don't think Wade did it for long enough to be ranked higher than Kobe. 2009 is something everyone always talks about with Wade, that was his greatest year, right? And I think Kobe had the same kind of year that year, and has had others prior to that. I think Kobe is within the conversation of the 10 greatest players of all time, where I don't think Wade sniffs that... So for me it is kinda obvious. Kobe was cooking 8 years prior, and was doing things the year Wade was having his best season... So..

If the question was: You have both of these players for their best year in the NBA, and you have one season to win a championship without knowing your teammates. Who do you pick? I think it is close.

[Axe]

It took only one finals for wade to garner his first finals mvp, unlike kobe. :(

[Jacks3]

08 Kobe had a +3.6 rTS, 09 Wade was at +3.2. And Wade wasn't a better defender than 08 Kobe. As far as passing, Kobe was playing under the triangle and on the best passing team in the league.

[Axe]

08 Kobe had a +3.6 rTS, 09 Wade was at +3.2. And Wade wasn't a better defender than 08 Kobe. As far as passing, Kobe was playing under the triangle and on the best passing team in the league.
Yep, he needed to be tamed because he used to be a ballhog as well.

[Kobe_Bryant]

Don't see how this is news, only clear edge peak Kobe had over peak Wade was his jumper, Wade was a better finisher, more efficient, better passer & defender. Both were basically on the same level as players, but I can see why people would say Wade had a better peak.

damn.. no wonder lebron chased him on his big wheel down to miami

[HBK_Kliq_2]

2006 finals he was like 5x better then Kobe ever was in the finals and Kobe had like 6 chances.

[1987_Lakers]

damn.. no wonder lebron chased him on his big wheel down to miami

And was still a sidekick to LeBron in those title wins, just like Kobe was to Shaq.

[Kobe_Bryant]

imagine a world where I argue that gasol is better than lebron and that somehow improves my status all time

:lol

I got these lebum fans shook AF

[Kobe_Bryant]

And was still a sidekick to LeBron in those title wins, just like Kobe was to Shaq.

wade was clearly a better player than lebron in 2011 and he took a step back willingly because he didn't want lebron throwing a tantrum again like vs Dallas

[RRR3]

Starting to think Kenneth is posting from an insane asylum.

[1987_Lakers]

wade was clearly a better player than lebron in 2011 and he took a step back willingly because he didn't want lebron throwing a tantrum again like vs Dallas

He was also clearly better than Kobe in 2011. Lets not forget, Kobe had a meltdown of his own vs that same Mavs team. 23/3/3 on 52 TS%. Yikes.

[iamgine]

Was Prime Wade same tier as Prime Kobe or tier below? (https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2126129)

I hope I'm not breaking site rules by posting/linking to RealGM but it shocked me to see so many people pick Wade over Kobe.

Edit: Poll makes it seem respectable but it's actually lopsided when you read the written replies.

The poll result:

34% Wade Better

26% Same tier

40% Kobe better

I don't think based on this result we can say "RealGM thinks Wade is better than Kobe"

[Axe]

Kobe was responsible for phil jackson's first sweep as head coach in the playoffs. It was a coincidence that it was his last stand also.

[8Ball]

Wade had a higher peak. 2006 finals is something Kobe never reached as a player.

[Kobe_Bryant]

He was also clearly better than Kobe in 2011. Lets not forget, Kobe had a meltdown of his own vs that same Mavs team. 23/3/3 on TS%. Yikes.

I was on a 30mpg minutes restriction all year cause of a knee injury that I put off surgery to chase 3 in a row for Phil's last season. I had no cartilage left and was bone on bone. hence the Germany treatment

I was broken in 2011. no sh*t wade was better lol

[RRR3]

Wade was better than Kobe period until he started declining. Kobe tossed up bricks when it mattered most and got bailed out by his teammates. Meanwhile Wade was a big game player.

[1987_Lakers]

I was on a 30mpg minutes restriction all year cause of a knee injury that I put off surgery to chase 3 in a row for Phil's last season. I had no cartilage left and was bone on bone. hence the Germany treatment

I was broken in 2011. no sh*t wade was better lol

Wade dealt with knee issues in both the 2012 & 2013 playoffs, had his knee drained several times in both playoffs, but somehow his drop in production means he took a backseat. lol.

[lakerstekkenn]

Wade was better than Kobe period until he started declining. Kobe tossed up bricks when it mattered most and got bailed out by his teammates. Meanwhile Wade was a big game player.

Whatever helps you sleep at night when you have Kobe nightmares.

[Axe]

Whatever helps you sleep at night when you have Kobe nightmares.
Or toody. Or giannis. Or durant. Or leonard. Etc.

[Taurus]

Always thought Kobe and Wade were pretty close at their peaks tbh, but Kobe just had way better longevity

[000]

Kobe is worse than Tmac let alone wade

[bobopenguin]

even wade himself will not put him in the same level as kobe.
that poll is a joke.

[Horatio33]

Starting to think Kenneth is posting from an insane asylum.

His mental illness is pretending to be a dead basketball player on a forum he has been banned from multiple times. His bedroom must give off the stench of loneliness.

[Axe]

His mental illness is pretending to be a dead basketball player on a forum he has been banned from multiple times. His bedroom must give off the stench of loneliness.
It's also a bit funny that he pretends to not know his own self and name. :confusedshrug:

[Kobe_Bryant]

even wade himself will not put him in the same level as kobe.
that poll is a joke.

he called me the michael jordan/ best player of his era. and that era included half of lebrons prime lmao

[k0kakw0rld]

They are out of their damn minds

[MadDog]

He was arguably better from 05-11. Better: defender, finisher & playmaker. Kobe was more durable with a better jumpshot, and slightly better at getting a bucket in the half-court (from posting up). Kobe definitely had the greater career, but they were the same tier of player in their prime. You could even argue Wade was the better playoff performer.

[k0kakw0rld]

He was arguably better from 05-11. Better: defender, finisher & playmaker. Kobe was more durable with a better jumpshot, and slightly better at getting a bucket in the half-court (from posting up). Kobe definitely had the greater career, but they were the same tier of player in their prime. You could even argue Wade was the better playoff performer.
You are absolutely crazy.

[SouBeachTalents]

What's absolutely crazy is pretending Kobe was a tier better than Wade at their peaks. Complete revisionist history.

[RRR3]

What's absolutely crazy is pretending Kobe was a tier better than Wade at their peaks. Complete revisionist history.
But but fadeaways

[tpols]

RealGM is a hive mind of nerds who never apply context to numbers, even though kobes playoff numbers are easily better.

'11-'16 Wade age correlates to '08-'13 Kobe.

Can you imagine '08-'10 Kobe and LeBron on the same team in a weak east? Itd be total destruction. 70 win type champs.

But Wades inferior shooting and on ball dominance couldn't compliment LeBron like kobes jumpshooting could.

They could have actually fullfilled the not 3, not 4, not 5 dynasty legacy instead of being 1 shot away from 1/4.

[Phoenix]

RealGM is a hive mind of nerds who never apply context to numbers, even though kobes playoff numbers are easily better.

'11-'16 Wade age correlates to '08-'13 Kobe.

Can you imagine '08-'10 Kobe and LeBron on the same team in a weak east? Itd be total destruction. 70 win type champs.

But Wades inferior shooting and on ball dominance couldn't compliment LeBron like kobes jumpshooting could.

They could have actually fullfilled the not 3, not 4, not 5 dynasty legacy instead of being 1 shot away from 1/4.

Miami paired that duo up about 2-3 years too late. Wade's last real 'peak' year was 11 and that was squandered by Lebron in the finals. If you're going to handpick 08-10 Kobe you could just as easily say imagine if Lebron played with 05-10 Wade. Yes, they don't really 'compliment' each other in terms of skillset but that's just too much talent to not figure it out, and their relative lack of shooting wouldn't have been the issue it would have been from 2015 onwards.

[tpols]

Miami paired that duo up about 2-3 years too late. Wade's last real 'peak' year was 11 and that was squandered by Lebron in the finals. If you're going to handpick 08-10 Kobe you could just as easily say imagine if Lebron played with 05-10 Wade. Yes, they don't really 'compliment' each other in terms of skillset but that's just too much talent to not figure it out, and their relative lack of shooting wouldn't have been the issue it would have been from 2015 onwards.

Wade and LeBron paired up at the same age Kobe would have been the 2008 version by age at their inception. So they would have run a train instead of having a losing record in the Finals together like Wade and LeBron did.

[Phoenix]

Wade and LeBron paired up at the same age Kobe would have been the 2008 version by age at their inception. So they would have run a train instead of having a losing record in the Finals together like Wade and LeBron did.

I get the age argument you're making. Yes, Kobe aged better but you're still handpicking him at a certain age to make your point. If Kobe and Lebron had teamed up in 2010, you're not getting 2008-2010 Kobe. You're getting whatever Kobe was from 2010 onwards and no, the 'not 2...not 3' thing isn't getting fulfilled.

Also, Lebron and Wade were 2/4 in the finals. In retrospect probably not completely meeting expectation but that's not 'losing record'. That's .500. And, in 2008 Kobe turned 30 in August. Wade didn't turn 30 until 2012, his second year with Lebron. He went 29 in 2011, which if you're trying to match up ages more closely probably better translates to Kobe's 07 season.

[tpols]

I get the age argument you're making. Yes, Kobe aged better but you're still handpicking him at a certain age to make your point. If Kobe and Lebron had teamed up in 2010, you're not getting 2008-2010 Kobe. You're getting whatever Kobe was from 2010 onwards and no, the 'not 2...not 3' thing isn't getting fulfilled.

That's a silly way to look at it. Kobe was drafted in 1996 and Wade in 2003. Why would you pair an older version of Kobe than what wade was when he teamed up?

By age even Kobe is older and had more run on his legs. LeBron joining 2010 Kobe by age would be like him starting off with 2014 Wade instead of 2011 Wade. Which would be a joke.

[Phoenix]

That's a silly way to look at it. Kobe was drafted in 1996 and Wade in 2003. By age even Kobe is older and had more run on his legs. LeBron joining 2010 Kobe by age would be like him starting off with 2014 Wade instead of 2011 Wade. Which would be a joke.

What is the point of doing an age by age comparison here? We know that Wade didn't age as well, we also know he started at 22 and Kobe at 18. There's not much of an apples to apples point to be made here but being a Kobe guy, you'll resort to your usual mental flips to make a point.

[tpols]

Apples to apples would be comparing the ages or mileage they had when they joined. That's what I did. You used later versions of Kobe than what Wade was when they joined. That makes zero sense.

[Phoenix]

Age and mileage semantics aside( and you're still off on the age because Wade was 28 going 29 when they joined, but that trail of discourse is going nowhere), Wade ended up taking a backseat( and aged himself out of prime) for that duo to co-exist. You think 08-10 Kobe is taking a backseat to 2011-2014 Lebron, or the reverse? Skill compatibility is only part of the equation.

[GrayGoat]

Kobe has slid to 12th