How well would Shaq dunk on 1.5 dunk attempts if they had to be bail-outs?

[Phoenix]

I barely make threads but I'm bored, so why the fukk not. :confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

Literally every poster is going to become a troll if Jeff doesn’t step up to the plate and stop the madness. OP was one of the last holdouts too. Until then I see no reason to stop trolling.

[Phoenix]

I tried, I really did.... :(

[RRR3]

I tried, I really did.... :(
There’s no point in not trolling them back they won’t listen to reason. Might as well mock them.

[3ba11]

Literally every poster is going to become a troll if Jeff doesn’t step up to the plate and stop the madness. OP was one of the last holdouts too. Until then I see no reason to stop trolling.


People can't handle being taught about something they thought they knew - so they parrot, copy and troll the teacher.. it's like elementary school all over again... :facepalm:... all these kids acting up over learning

[RRR3]

People can't handle being taught about something they thought they knew - so they parrot, copy and troll the teacher.. it's like elementary school all over again... :facepalm:... all these kids acting up over learning
You’re the biggest troll on ISH

[3ba11]

You’re the biggest troll on ISH


All I did was ask a simple question about what Curry's 3-point percentage would be if he limited himself to 1-2 bailouts per game.

And people couldn't handle this question because it made them realize that Curry wouldn't shoot any better than MJ did under those circumstances.

Pretty amazing if you ask me how one's mind can deduce things, in this case we've explained Jordan's sub-par 3-point percentage (a goat jumpshooter devoid of viable volume)

[Phoenix]

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[RRR3]

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He’s completely out of his mind, it’s scary.

[3ba11]

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Stay in your delusional, feel-good bubble of ignorance and denial of reality, but here's some more reality to shock you and send you further into your fakeness:

according to NBA.com, 70% (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/201939/shots-dash/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) of Curry's threes are either "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender) or "wide open" (6+ feet from closest defender), so the vast majority of his threes are open - this is the case with the entire NBA, where 80% of threes are open or wide open.

So "bailout" threes have decidedly less efficiency and are shot less often... MJ limited himself to bailout threes because he foolishly thought threes were bad for offense (like most people back then), and this foolishness resulted in him only taking bailout threes (low efficiency threes).

Now carry on

[NBAGOAT]

Stay in your delusional, feel-good bubble of ignorance and denial of reality, but here's some more reality to shock you and send you further into your fakeness:

according to NBA.com, 70% (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/201939/shots-dash/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) of Curry's threes are either "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender) or "wide open" (6+ feet from closest defender), so the vast majority of his threes are open - this is the case with the entire NBA, where 80% of threes are open or wide open.

So "bailout" threes have decidedly less efficiency and are shot less often... MJ limited himself to bailout threes because he foolishly thought threes were bad for offense (like most people back then), and this foolishness resulted in him only taking bailout threes (low efficiency threes).

Now carry on

You didn’t post this link in the other thread and link the right season you goofball. You shared his stats from 2020, no shit he didn’t make a 3 vs a close defender he played 5 games :lol. If you look at 2021 he made 44% of his 3s vs a close defender.

Your premise that Jordan took almost all bailout 3s mostly is completely off. There was a guy here and on realgm awhile back who tracked like half of Jordan’s games from 90-92(basically watched every game available online) with shot charts and synergy data. half of Jordan’s attempts from 3 in that sample were spot ups. Also you’re obviously lying if you watched even a few games but nice to have synergy data to back it up. Bailout shots ofc are mostly off the dribble.

https://m.imgur.com/sSe2aEV. Also before you go off saying the percentages in isolation and spotups proves your point(they’re very good tbf). There was selection bias with the sample he watched, he shot 38% from 3 in the sample but shot 34% from 3 overall from 90-92. Makes sense since a bad Jordan game during the regular season is less likely going be posted on YouTube

[Phoenix]

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[3ba11]

You didn’t post this link in the other thread and link the right season you goofball. You shared his stats from 2020, no shit he didn’t make a 3 vs a close defender he played 5 games :lol. If you look at 2021 he made 44% of his 3s vs a close defender.

Your premise that Jordan took almost all bailout 3s mostly is completely off. There was a guy here and on realgm awhile back who tracked like half of Jordan’s games from 90-92(basically watched every game available online) with shot charts and synergy data. half of Jordan’s attempts from 3 in that sample were spot ups. Also you’re obviously lying if you watched even a few games but nice to have synergy data to back it up. Bailout shots ofc are mostly off the dribble.

https://m.imgur.com/sSe2aEV. Also before you go off saying the percentages in isolation and spotups proves your point(they’re very good tbf). There was selection bias with the sample he watched, he shot 38% from 3 in the sample but shot 34% from 3 overall from 90-92. Makes sense since a bad Jordan game during the regular season is less likely going be posted on YouTube


Many of his spot-ups were bailouts - here's a 12 minute video of pure bailout threes by MJ - tons of spot-ups:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJzbrBUFB4Y&t=02m14s


it's the contested nature of bailouts and the RUSHED and PRESSURE nature as well

[3ba11]

Many of his spot-ups were bailouts - here's a 12 minute video of pure bailout threes by MJ - tons of spot-ups:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJzbrBUFB4Y&t=02m14s


it's the contested nature of bailouts and the RUSHED and PRESSURE nature as well



Amirite NBAGOAT? alot of spot-up bailouts - the spot-up nature has nothing to do with whether it's a bailout or not

[NBAGOAT]

Many of his spot-ups were bailouts - here's a 12 minute video of pure bailout threes by MJ - tons of spot-ups:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJzbrBUFB4Y&t=02m14s


it's the contested nature of bailouts and the RUSHED and PRESSURE nature as well

well this is classic selection bias, this video is not representative of the complete sample because an open spot up is obviously less of a highlight. most of the 3s in these videos which were contested off the dribble. also no of the spot ups the majority would be classified open by nba.com. You cant lie about this stuff when I actually went through the video. I dont have the exact numbers but guessing most people who watch it would agree with me.

Also the idea that steph curry cant make rushed shots or deal with pressure is ludicrous, he shot over 44% on very tightly contested 3's last year. Patently absurd to involve jordan and curry in the same convo when it comes to 3pt shooting even with era considerations. Jordan's highlight package was very good. There are 13min of good highlights from curry from like only 15 games last season here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sHf9RS_XTI lol.

[Phoenix]

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[ShawkFactory]

Amirite NBAGOAT? alot of spot-up bailouts - the spot-up nature has nothing to do with whether it's a bailout or not

I was expecting “bailouts” to be like double team fadaways or 3/4 court heaves. 90% of the shots in that video are just regular shots for Steph or any 3pt specialist :lol

[NBAGOAT]

I was expecting “bailouts” to be like double team fadaways or 3/4 court heaves. 90% of the shots in that video are just regular shots for Steph or any 3pt specialist :lol

Yea 3ball is being generous with his definition of bailout. Also doesn’t realize even when a guy is 4feet away by nba.com it’s looks like a contest on film. He had nothing to say when stephs highlight package from a 15 game stretch is likely better then Jordan’s from his whole career :lol

[3ba11]

I was expecting “bailouts” to be like double team fadaways or 3/4 court heaves. 90% of the shots in that video are just regular shots for Steph or any 3pt specialist :lol


Shot clock winding down - that's the ONLY definition of a bailout - what kind of bailout were you thinking of?...

you guys might be more clueless than I realized - so all this time, you didn't know what I meant by "bailout"?

Indeed - bailout shots at the end of shot clock have less efficiency - this is easily a fact - that's why Jordan shot poorly on threes and Curry would shoot poorly too if he limited himself to 1-2 bailouts per game like MJ did

[SaintzFury13]

All I did was ask a simple question about what Curry's 3-point percentage would be if he limited himself to 1-2 bailouts per game.

And people couldn't handle this question because it made them realize that Curry wouldn't shoot any better than MJ did under those circumstances.

Pretty amazing if you ask me how one's mind can deduce things, in this case we've explained Jordan's sub-par 3-point percentage (a goat jumpshooter devoid of viable volume)


Stay in your delusional, feel-good bubble of ignorance and denial of reality, but here's some more reality to shock you and send you further into your fakeness:

according to NBA.com, 70% (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/201939/shots-dash/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) of Curry's threes are either "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender) or "wide open" (6+ feet from closest defender), so the vast majority of his threes are open - this is the case with the entire NBA, where 80% of threes are open or wide open.

So "bailout" threes have decidedly less efficiency and are shot less often... MJ limited himself to bailout threes because he foolishly thought threes were bad for offense (like most people back then), and this foolishness resulted in him only taking bailout threes (low efficiency threes).

Now carry on

You're an idiot.


Shot clock winding down - that's the ONLY definition of a bailout - what kind of bailout were you thinking of?...

you guys might be more clueless than I realized - so all this time, you didn't know what I meant by "bailout"?

Indeed - bailout shots at the end of shot clock have less efficiency - this is easily a fact - that's why Jordan shot poorly on threes and Curry would shoot poorly too if he limited himself to 1-2 bailouts per game like MJ did

So now you don't even know what a bail out shot is.

Amazing.

[ShawkFactory]

Shot clock winding down - that's the ONLY definition of a bailout - what kind of bailout were you thinking of?...

you guys might be more clueless than I realized - so all this time, you didn't know what I meant by "bailout"?

Indeed - bailout shots at the end of shot clock have less efficiency - this is easily a fact - that's why Jordan shot poorly on threes and Curry would shoot poorly too if he limited himself to 1-2 bailouts per game like MJ did

It doesn't matter what the time is or what a bailout means, and I'm wholly uninterested in arguing that.

The clock doesn't matter. The degree of difficulty of most of those shots in the video are regular shots for Steph. So if he was taking 1-2 of those a game his percentage would still be 42-45% like he normal.

[3ba11]

It doesn't matter what the time is or what a bailout means, and I'm wholly uninterested in arguing that.

The clock doesn't matter. The degree of difficulty of most of those shots in the video are regular shots for Steph. So if he was taking 1-2 of those a game his percentage would still be 42-45% like he normal.


no - i said BAILOUTS - you aren't going to change what I was saying - curry would shoot like dogshit on threes just like Jordan if he limited himself to 1-2 bailouts per game

you can't get past this logic and it shows why the goat 2-point jumpshooter had sub-par 3-point efficiency (he only took bailouts and shot well anytime he was above bailout volume)

[NBAGOAT]

no - i said BAILOUTS - you aren't going to change what I was saying - curry would shoot like dogshit on threes just like Jordan if he limited himself to 1-2 bailouts per game

you can't get past this logic and it shows why the goat 2-point jumpshooter had sub-par 3-point efficiency (he only took bailouts and shot well anytime he was above bailout volume)

The large majority of the spot ups were not bailouts at end of shot clock even in this video. We also know from tracking that this video is not representative of Jordan’s overall shot selection, half his 3s from 90-92 were spot ups. Therefore if half his shots were spotups and most spotups aren’t bailouts(by your definition), then it’s impossible that Jordan only took bailout 3s. It’s much more likely less than half of his attempts from 3 were bailouts

[ShawkFactory]

no - i said BAILOUTS - you aren't going to change what I was saying - curry would shoot like dogshit on threes just like Jordan if he limited himself to 1-2 bailouts per game

you can't get past this logic and it shows why the goat 2-point jumpshooter had sub-par 3-point efficiency (he only took bailouts and shot well anytime he was above bailout volume)

You're completely inventing something again. You have absolutely no evidence of any kind to prove that all of the 3s Jordan took were "bailouts". Ditto that Curry shot or would shoot poorly in such situations.

Also...I love how you thought people wouldn't notice that your NBA.com numbers for Curry's shooting is from the 5 game hurt sample from 2020 :lol

That, my friend, is grasping at straws.

[3ba11]

You're completely inventing something again. You have absolutely no evidence of any kind to prove that all of the 3s Jordan took were "bailouts". Ditto that Curry shot poorly in such situations.

Also...I love how you thought people wouldn't notice that your NBA.com numbers for Curry's shooting is from the 5 game hurt sample from 2020 :lol

That, my friend, is grasping at straws.


1.5 attempts per game = bailout volume

you're just denying basketball 101 which makes you immature and low character

Jordan always shot well above bailout volume, just like Curry... And he always shot less at bailout volume, just like Curry and everyone does.

facts gonna facts... :dancin:

[SaintzFury13]

no - i said BAILOUTS - you aren't going to change what I was saying - curry would shoot like dogshit on threes just like Jordan if he limited himself to 1-2 bailouts per game

you can't get past this logic and it shows why the goat 2-point jumpshooter had sub-par 3-point efficiency (he only took bailouts and shot well anytime he was above bailout volume)

Hey guys, how well would Michael Jordan play defense if he limited himself to 1.5 steals per game?

And while we're at it, how well would Magic Johnson play if he limited himself to 1.5 assists per game?

How well would Wilt Chamberlin play if he limited himself to 1.5 rebounds per game?

[ShawkFactory]

1.5 attempts per game = bailout volume


1.5 attempts per game = "only attempt when wide open" volume

There is so much film on Michael Jordan dude. We all saw him only attempt threes when he was open. Hell...there was no one in his vicinity in ANY of those shots in the shrug game.

[3ba11]

1.5 attempts per game = "only attempt when wide open" volume

There is so much film on Michael Jordan dude. We all saw him only attempt threes when he was open. Hell...there was no one in his vicinity in ANY of those shots in the shrug game.


Jordan hated threes and only shot them when he had to - this is common knowledge

you can fabricate new facts but they're lies and stuff you made up

and jordan was open in the 92' Finals because the Blazers employed the same strategy as the 13' Spurs - but Jordan responded by ending the series in Game 1, while Lebron responded by averaging 16 on 39% thru 3 games as teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit and needed a bailout and miracle to win in 7 games.

So it's night and day - the goat vs fraud

[NBAGOAT]

Jordan hated threes and only shot them when he had to - this is common knowledge

you can fabricate new facts but they're lies and stuff you made up

and jordan was open in the 92' Finals because the Blazers employed the same strategy as the 13' Spurs - but Jordan responded by ending the series in Game 1, while Lebron responded by averaging 16 on 39% thru 3 games as teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit and needed a bailout and miracle to win in 7 games.

So it's night and day - the goat vs fraud

Ah speaking of fabricating facts. Jordan is the only player even to finish off a best of 7 series in one game, drexler porter and the others just went on vacation after game 1 and conceded the series :lol. Also stop deflecting, you were comparing Jordan to curry as a 3pt shooters now you’re bringing up lebron being a bad shooter, it’s completely unrelated. There is no level of mental gymnastics that will get even any other idiot on this forum to believe curry is as bad a 3pt shooter as Jordan

[3ba11]

Ah speaking of fabricating facts. Jordan is the only player even to finish off a best of 7 series in one game, drexler porter and the others just went on vacation after game 1 and conceded the series :lol. Also stop deflecting, you were comparing Jordan to curry as a 3pt shooters now you’re bringing up lebron being a bad shooter, it’s completely unrelated. There is no level of mental gymnastics that will get even any other idiot on this forum to believe curry is as bad a 3pt shooter as Jordan


Game 1 let the Blazers know that their core strategy of forcing MJ to shoot threes wasn't going to work - so he forced the Blazers to change their core strategy and play catch up for the whole series.

Everyone knew the Blazers couldn't overcome Jordan after Game 1 - when a player pops off in the Finals like a peak Curry regular season game, the opponent has no choice but to make big adjustments from that point forward, which gives the Bulls control..

Again, everyone knew it was over after Game 1... After the first half of Game 1... Jordan loved putting teams in situations where they're forced to double, so then MJ has control and can pick them apart...

Otoh, Lebron lacks the skill to win with high scoring, so he doesn't get doubled - his high scoring is too ball-dominant (09') or inefficient at the extra jumpshooting volumes (15'), so opponents play Lebron straight up (stay at home) and lock down his teammates - that's why the story of Lebron's career is teammates underperforming and needing MOAR HELP - in addition to not getting doubled which causes teammate underperformance and need for more help, Lebron also needs more help because he reduces everyone to spot-up shooter, and therefore needs a constant stream of more help, like a ponzi scheme.

[j3lademaster]

i know this isn't a serious thread, but what would a hypothetical 'bailout' dunk look like?

[3ba11]

i know this isn't a serious thread, but what would a hypothetical 'bailout' dunk look like?


Shaq wouldn't do well if he limited himself to a couple end-of-shot-clock dunks (bailout dunks) because dunking was his primary way to score

So he'd be reduced to about 15 ppg

Ditto Curry - he'd be reduced to low scoring if he limited himself to 1 bailout three per game, because he can't make it up on 2-pointers like MJ..

And Curry would shoot crappy at 1 bailout three per game, because bailouts are the hardest shot available - Jordan didn't want to shoot threes so he only took bailouts and shot poorly as a result, just like Curry would on 1 bailout per game