Is Klay > Dirk due to rings?... Nope, because 2nd option rings = "Horry" rings

[3ba11]

So Pippen's perceived career ranking shows that he erroneously gets credit for rings like he's a 1st option, despite having 6 "Horry" rings and arguably the worst scoring of any winning sidekick (low ppg + worst efficiency ever)..

6 "Horry" rings isn't better than 1 Dirk or Giannis ring.. or Wade or Kawhi

So Pippen is simply the most overrated player ever, including less accolades, scoring, passing and defense than Payton or Stockton, and similar accolades to Blake Griffin.

[pandiani17]

What's going on with all these Pippen threads? The season can't start soon enough.

[8Ball]

We proved that Pippen outplayed the majority of the opponent's first options.

This hurt him deep.

3ball is having a meltdown over this past few days. So he spamming Pippen threads and bumping old ones.

[MadDog]

Poor example. Relative to the era, 90s Pippen had top 10 player impact. This is backed by: All-NBA teams, All-Defensive teams, Allstar appearances and impact stats. From 91-98, Pippen was also top 10 in BPM/VORP/WS48. Klay simply doesn't have those credentials.

[j3lademaster]

Poor Robert Horry. He was a fine player who had an awesome career. Constantly has his name dragged through the mud for 'rings' arguments.

[SouBeachTalents]

Poor Robert Horry. He was a fine player who had an awesome career. Constantly has his name dragged through the mud for 'rings' arguments.
Eh, I’d still take the 7 rings & multiple title changing buckets

[jalbert009]

Pippen was the side kick. This is not a 1a & 1b situation. Jordan was the ear cut best player and scorer on the team. Pippen had significant lower scoring and took on more of the defensive role in games.

[MadDog]

Pippen was the side kick. This is not a 1a & 1b situation. Jordan was the ear cut best player and scorer on the team. Pippen had significant lower scoring and took on more of the defensive role in games.

But, Pippen was still one of the best players in the game. Routinely a top 10 player in the 90s. He's got the all-teams & advanced stats to make his argument.

[tpols]

For their primes in the playoffs pippen produces pretty much the same offensive volume and efficiency as klay (with more dimes) while being a much better defensive player.

That means Curry led the greatest team of all time with a "less than pippen" 2nd option. That's GOAT.

[GrayGoat]

Horry always was a 5th option. But 7 is greater than 6 so I see your concern ;)

[Kobe_Bryant]

klay deserves his sidekick ring. it's not an horry ring. he's a corner stone on a big 3 that won in 2015 legit

hes at least a 1 time champion. 2017 and 2018 are obviously BS cause Durant colluded

not all non fmvp rings are created equally. like my 2001 and 2002 rings. Kareem 1980 ring. magics 1985 ring. McHales ring averaging 26ppg in the finals. these are all basically full rings. if youre a co-leader you deserve full credit.

its silly to compare pippen to horry. pippen got true sidekick rings that are valuable when compared to other career sidekicks like gasol and klay

horry is a role player and his rings don't compare to sidekicks. OP had a brain fart.

[bizil]

Klay is LEGIT one of the top 5 shooters of all time. Has gone on EPIC HEAT CHECKS! Has the all time record for most points in a quarter. Always averaging 20 PPG. 5 Time All Star with three rings. One of the best two way wings in this era. Hell when you look at NBA history, among the best blends of pure shooting and defense we've seen. And for several years among the top 3-5 SG's in the world. Klay WITHOUT RINGS would be on an potential HOF career track. You're getting Reggie Miller shooting with All League type defense! Of the top 10 shooter-scorer type of all time, Klay and KD have the best defense of all time those guys! Klay's TOO ELITE to just been seen as a sidekick! With that said Dirk is EASILY the greater player. And easily the better player peak-prime wise.

[Phoenix]

This thread is dumb. Horry was never the 2nd option for any of his chips. In 94 he was the 6th leading scorer for the season,4th in the playoffs. In 95 Drexler was obviously the number 2 option, and Horry was once again 6th in the regular season, 3rd in the playoffs. I don't recall him even starting for any of this chips after the Houston back to back.

[NBAGOAT]

Klay is no horry but I would argue he was gs’ 4th best player in 18 and 19. That’s more of a function of how good gs was, he was still a star

[bizil]

Klay is no horry but I would argue he was gs’ 4th best player in 18 and 19. That’s more of a function of how good gs was, he was still a star

I viewed Klay as the 3rd best player. BUT 4th most important player. Because Draymond had the best floor game (boards, defense, and assists as a package) Plus he has some of the best positional versatility defensively of all time. And he can function as a point forward type player. But in all of NBA history, you would be HARD PRESSED to name a better PG-SG-SF-PF foursome! And when it comes to flat out shooting the rock, they EASILY had the best PG-SG-SF group.

[NBAGOAT]

I viewed Klay as the 3rd best player. BUT 4th most important player. Because Draymond had the best floor game (boards, defense, and assists as a package) Plus he has some of the best positional versatility defensively of all time. And he can function as a point forward type player. But in all of NBA history, you would be HARD PRESSED to name a better PG-SG-SF-PF foursome! And when it comes to flat out shooting the rock, they EASILY had the best PG-SG-SF group.

Yea there just isn’t a better foursome imo. add on the top 2 are maybe 2 of the 3 best players in the league. Might never see it for awhile because the salary cap just doesn’t allow you to pay 4 max guya. You need a guy on a rookie contract to be immediately good.

[3ba11]

We proved that Pippen outplayed the majority of the opponent's first options.





You showed that Pippen outscored 1st options less than 1/3 of the series during title runs, which is trash for a winning 2nd option

And he outscored 2nd options 75% of the time during title runs, which is the same as lower tier 2nd options like Klay or Jason Terry and far below the top tier of sidekick that usually outscores 1st options and achieves elite 1st option stats or wins FMVP (Kobe, Curry, Kareem, Wade, Worthy, AD, etc).

Titles with true 2nd options that never achieve elite 1st option stats or FMVP are rare and Jordan has 6 of them - that's why he's goat.. No one else has more than 2 (kobe)