View Full Version : Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #18
dankok8
10-05-2021, 03:48 PM
List
#1 - Michael Jordan
#2 - Lebron James
#3 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
#4 - Bill Russell
#5 - Wilt Chamberlain
#6 - Magic Johnson
#7 - Shaquille O'Neal
#8 - Tim Duncan
#9 - Larry Bird
#10 - Hakeem Olajuwon
#11 - Kobe Bryant
#12 - Stephen Curry
#13 - Oscar Robertson
#14 - Jerry West
#15 - Moses Malone
#16 - Julius Erving
#17 - Kevin Durant
#18 - NOW VOTING
Top 25 Player Pool
https://i.postimg.cc/Vsq1HTDz/Top-25-Candidates.jpg
For a full player pool and vote breakdowns see the link (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ARaI3VCNauULLYL1Yu24HIRY768FYQdip56sp6uRFGk/edit?usp=sharing).
Everyone may post in this thread but only votes from serious contributors will be considered. Not everyone has to write an essay but there should be some justification or explanation and some coherent arguments being presented. I encourage people to be open-minded and willing to adjust their rankings in response to strong evidence. Debate and discussion is encouraged.
Opening Vote Tally
Kevin Garnett - 7 (Cold soul, SaintzFury13, TheCorporation, RRR3, dankok8, NBAGOAT, jalbert009)
Kawhi Leonard - 2 (kawhileonard2, HBK_Kliq_2)
Dirk Nowitzki - 2 (Gonzaldo, ELITEpower23)
Karl Malone - 1 (Magic is Magic)
John Havlicek - 1 (Jasper)
L.Kizzle
10-05-2021, 03:51 PM
Karl Malone is my vote.
MadDog
10-05-2021, 03:54 PM
Barkley. Of the open tally, he's got the best peak & prime. Some will ask about his defense, but like Magic, Chuck's offense was THAT damn good. Offensively, he had near Jordan level impact.
Kobe_Bryant
10-05-2021, 03:55 PM
Final Vote Tally
Kevin Durant - 11 (Manny98, 8Ball, 1987_Lakers, nayte, MadDog, kuniva_dAMiGhTy, Chick Stern, Bankaii, outofstomach, SouBeachTalents, AussieSteve)
Kevin Garnett - 7 (Cold soul, SaintzFury13, TheCorporation, RRR3, dankok8, NBAGOAT, jalbert009)
Kawhi Leonard - 2 (kawhileonard2, HBK_Kliq_2)
Dirk Nowitzki - 2 (Gonzaldo, ELITEpower23)
Karl Malone - 1 (Magic is Magic)
John Havlicek - 1 (Jasper)
Durant wins. Thread #18 is now open.
sorry but where's my vote for garnett? there's other guys you didn't count too
this entire list is rigged
Phoenix
10-05-2021, 03:56 PM
sorry but where's my vote for garnett? there's other guys you didn't count too
this entire list is rigged
https://c.tenor.com/S8KDxwbSjfYAAAAM/cancelled-cancel.gif
MadDog
10-05-2021, 03:56 PM
sorry but where's my vote for garnett? there's other guys you didn't count too
this entire list is rigged
You're a troll and don't get a vote. Now go back to smelling your feces.
Overdrive
10-05-2021, 04:00 PM
KG
Phoenix
10-05-2021, 04:05 PM
https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-01-2015/e-SzJH.gif
Kobe_Bryant
10-05-2021, 04:22 PM
You're a troll and don't get a vote. Now go back to smelling your feces.
how am I a troll. and how does assuming someone's a troll void their vote. most people here have an agenda/say stuff to get a reaction. I don't see how someone can just count or not count a vote based on something that can't be know. you have to set parameters for this thing. like a minimum number of posts or time on the board. at least come up with something tangible
this list is basically voided from ever being brought up on here. il just link to this thread and show proof that votes were thrown out to manipulate the outcome.
Round Mound
10-05-2021, 04:24 PM
Barkley
dankok8
10-05-2021, 04:26 PM
how am I a troll. and how does assuming someone's a troll void their vote. most people here have an agenda/say stuff to get a reaction. I don't see how someone can just count or not count a vote based on something that can't be know. you have to set parameters for this thing. like a minimum number of posts or time on the board. at least come up with something tangible
this list is basically voided from ever being brought up on here. il just link to this thread and show proof that votes were thrown out to manipulate the outcome.
I'll add your Garnett vote now because Durant is already voted in but stop acting with an obvious agenda. We are trying to create a decent credible list here. I excluded your vote because several posters advised me to. This is a collective project and as such mutual respect and cooperation is expected. If you're not willing to be flexible and accept that others feel about certain players differently than you do then don't participate. Very simple...
1987_Lakers
10-05-2021, 04:33 PM
Kevin Garnett
Manny98
10-05-2021, 04:33 PM
Dirk
MadDog
10-05-2021, 04:35 PM
how am I a troll. and how does assuming someone's a troll void their vote. most people here have an agenda/say stuff to get a reaction. I don't see how someone can just count or not count a vote based on something that can't be know. you have to set parameters for this thing. like a minimum number of posts or time on the board. at least come up with something tangible
this list is basically voided from ever being brought up on here. il just link to this thread and show proof that votes were thrown out to manipulate the outcome.
Do you have a brain impairment? You're feigning to be a dead man, and admitted voting for players you don't think are greater. The criteria is fine. Its just you being a dumb sack of shit.
Kobe_Bryant
10-05-2021, 04:35 PM
I'll add your Garnett vote now because Durant is already voted in but stop acting with an obvious agenda. We are trying to create a decent credible list here. I excluded your vote because several posters advised me to. This is a collective project and as such mutual respect and cooperation is expected. If you're not willing to be flexible and accept that others feel about certain players differently than you do then don't participate. Very simple...
yes I'm the only voter to participate with an agenda. lmao
1987lakers in every thread from #6 to #10 was saying he can't wait to vote me out of the top 10. sound like an agenda to you?
but you had no problem counting his votes every time
this is why nobody respects forum lists lol
Kobe_Bryant
10-05-2021, 04:39 PM
Do you have a brain impairment? You're feigning to be a dead man, and admitted voting for players you don't think are greater. The criteria is fine. Its just you being a dumb sack of shit.
this is the criteria:
vote lebron and curry as high as possible.
vote me and Durant as low as possible
the end
Phoenix
10-05-2021, 04:42 PM
how am I a troll. and how does assuming someone's a troll void their vote. most people here have an agenda/say stuff to get a reaction. I don't see how someone can just count or not count a vote based on something that can't be know. you have to set parameters for this thing. like a minimum number of posts or time on the board. at least come up with something tangible
this list is basically voided from ever being brought up on here. il just link to this thread and show proof that votes were thrown out to manipulate the outcome.
Good idea. 3 months minimum. Oh you just started here in September? Sorry... :(
MadDog
10-05-2021, 04:43 PM
this is the criteria:
vote lebron and curry as high as possible.
vote me and Durant as low as possible
the end
No its not.
Keep trolling though, bitch.
SouBeachTalents
10-05-2021, 05:06 PM
My vote goes to the Mailman. I acknowledge he had the weakest peak of the players that will be jostling for this spot, but his resume is simply too accomplished to not get my vote at this point
2 MVP's
14x All-NBA
9 top 5 MVP finishes
2nd all time leading scorer
And for as much shit as he gets for being ringless and underperforming in the playoffs, if not for Jordan's Bulls he most likely has 2 rings & FMVP's to add to that list.
Kobe_Bryant
10-05-2021, 05:09 PM
Good idea. 3 months minimum. Oh you just started here in September? Sorry... :(
ya and next time have an equal amount of representatives from each fan pool. I didn't get a single vote till round 10 lmao. are there even any fans of me still posting here
you guys seem to have either ran them all off the board or they left and got lives/families
NBAGOAT
10-05-2021, 05:10 PM
KG. Better peak than Malone imo and has pretty great longevity too.
SouBeachTalents
10-05-2021, 05:21 PM
this is the criteria:
vote lebron and curry as high as possible.
vote me and Durant as low as possible
the end
Your point would have some merit if LeBron, Kobe & Durant weren't consistently ranked in the same spots in other rankings as they are here, only Curry's ranking would be different.
ESPN
LeBron: 2
Kobe: 9
Durant: 14
RealGM
LeBron: 1
Kobe: 12
Durant: 22
Backpicks
LeBron: 2
Kobe: 13
Durant: 23
Hoops Habit
LeBron: 2
Kobe: 10
Durant: 13
Durant's obv the most inconsistent since he's still playing and could still add to his resume, but even his averages basically even out to our ranking, while LeBron & Kobe's are consistent across the board. So sadly your musings of us ranking them strictly by agenda comes across as baseless QAnon level conspiracy :lol
L.Kizzle
10-05-2021, 05:21 PM
KG. Better peak than Malone imo and has pretty great longevity too.
Malone avg 20+ every season besides his rookie year and his last year. KG was avg a triple single his last 4-5 seasons lol.
Phoenix
10-05-2021, 05:26 PM
Malone avg 20+ every season besides his rookie year and his last year. KG was avg a triple single his last 4-5 seasons lol.
I was looking at his stat page earlier, crazy stuff. And if he hadn't joined the Lakers he may have edged out a final 20ppg season to end his career. If the 99 season wasn't shortened( it's reasonable to assume that would have been another 80 game season for him), and had he stayed with Utah and not gotten injured in 04, he'd have been knocking firmly on Kareem's doorstop.
NBAGOAT
10-05-2021, 05:46 PM
Malone avg 20+ every season besides his rookie year and his last year. KG was avg a triple single his last 4-5 seasons lol.
Well it was only the last 3 years. Sure Malone was scoring 20ppg every year but I think kg was good up til his last year in bos. That’s like 17 years of at least good play. Malone had at least good play from 87-03, that’s also 17 year lol. People overlook kg came into the league early
Phoenix
10-05-2021, 05:50 PM
Well it was only the last 3 years. Sure Malone was scoring 20ppg every year but I think kg was good up til his last year in bos. That’s like 17 years of at least good play. Malone had at least good play from 87-03, that’s also 17 year lol. People overlook kg came into the league early
KG's last 'prime' year was the 08 year when they won. His scoring dipped a bit( not unexpected with Pierce and Allen) but he was generally in the ballpark level-wise of where he had been the last few seasons. If KG was at that level in 2010 than he was in 08 Boston probably beats LA again.
1987_Lakers
10-05-2021, 06:23 PM
yes I'm the only voter to participate with an agenda. lmao
1987lakers in every thread from #6 to #10 was saying he can't wait to vote me out of the top 10. sound like an agenda to you?
but you had no problem counting his votes every time
this is why nobody respects forum lists lol
https://c.tenor.com/AxW-8XRzKlMAAAAC/anne-hathaway-its-not-fair.gif
lol
NBAGOAT
10-05-2021, 06:26 PM
KG's last 'prime' year was the 08 year when they won. His scoring dipped a bit( not unexpected with Pierce and Allen) but he was generally in the ballpark level-wise of where he had been the last few seasons. If KG was at that level in 2010 than he was in 08 Boston probably beats LA again.
True but I’m discussing meaningful longevity here. he was still playing at an all star level. Malones prime is longer sure but only includes 88-01 then imo. However yes, I think kgs peak is significantly better
What makes KG better than David Robinson?
1987_Lakers
10-05-2021, 06:31 PM
True but I’m discussing meaningful longevity here. he was still playing at an all star level. Malones prime is longer sure but only includes 88-01 then imo. However yes, I think kgs peak is significantly better
True. Although Malone longevity was better than most, he didn't really hit his prime until he was 24. With that said, I will vote for him for #19 if KG takes this spot.
NBAGOAT
10-05-2021, 06:32 PM
What makes KG better than David Robinson?
His playmaking/passing. Also doesn’t have the longevity or as long a prime
NBAGOAT
10-05-2021, 06:34 PM
True. Although Malone longevity was better than most, he didn't really hit his prime until he was 24. With that said, I will vote for him for #19 if KG takes this spot.
I would too. Both are getting a bit low(I was voting kg in the 12 range) but curry/durant are just better players and will be higher all time once their careers end so I’m okay with them being higher
Edit: actually I’m going Dirk first
1987_Lakers
10-05-2021, 06:35 PM
What makes KG better than David Robinson?
D-Rob's prime was very short, although you could make an argument his peak was top 15 all-time level. His defense I feel gets underrated, he was a top 5 defender ever at his peak.
Anyone have a link to RGM’s top 100?
NBAGOAT
10-05-2021, 06:44 PM
Anyone have a link to RGM’s top 100?
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=2004777. Big change from ish is they have curry and durant in the 20s. Didn’t include what they did last season
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=2004777. Big change from ish is they have curry and durant in the 20s. Didn’t include what they did last season
Dirk at 15 lol. Never seen a player get more rewarded for another player ****ing up.
Phoenix
10-05-2021, 06:56 PM
True but I’m discussing meaningful longevity here. he was still playing at an all star level. Malones prime is longer sure but only includes 88-01 then imo. However yes, I think kgs peak is significantly better
Malone's peak is starting to become underrated around here. Dude was dropping 31 and 11 at one point.
Malone's peak is starting to become underrated around here. Dude was dropping 31 and 11 at one point.
And then he proceeded to poop his pants in the playoffs every year.
NBAGOAT
10-05-2021, 07:10 PM
Malone's peak is starting to become underrated around here. Dude was dropping 31 and 11 at one point.
Maybe but kgs peak is close to the top 10 for some people. I’m not that high but he’s firmly in the top 15. Malones isn’t in the top 20 for sure imo
Phoenix
10-05-2021, 07:15 PM
And then he proceeded to poop his pants in the playoffs every year.
I don't know about every year, but we seem to have forgotten that KG was the original 'can't get out of the first round every year' superstar outside of 2004 and before he joined Boston.
Phoenix
10-05-2021, 07:17 PM
Maybe but kgs peak is close to the top 10 for some people. I’m not that high but he’s firmly in the top 15. Malones isn’t in the top 20 for sure imo
If we were to come up with a list of top 10 peaks, I'm having a hard time thinking he's close to top 10. I don't know, maybe I'm misremembering him for some reason but I just don't rate his peak as high as others here for whatever reason.
NBAGOAT
10-05-2021, 07:24 PM
If we were to come up with a list of top 10 peaks, I'm having a hard time thinking he's close to top 10. I don't know, maybe I'm misremembering him for some reason but I just don't rate his peak as high as others here for whatever reason.
Realgm is overly high on him here but this is useful for reference at least. https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1909659&p=79708590#p79708590
If we were to come up with a list of top 10 peaks, I'm having a hard time thinking he's close to top 10. I don't know, maybe I'm misremembering him for some reason but I just don't rate his peak as high as others here for whatever reason.
04 KG was insane.
72-10
10-05-2021, 07:27 PM
04 KG was insane.
I knew I could expect another idiot rambling from you. If you had spent a little less time with the Playstation and little more time with your shape and your shot, you would have gotten somewhere instead of decrepit and broke. Back to the workstation.
Phoenix
10-05-2021, 07:28 PM
Realgm is overly high on him here but this is useful for reference at least. https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1909659&p=79708590#p79708590
I'm going to have to watch some 04 KG footage( that's @ RRR3 as well). It's been a while....
NBAGOAT
10-05-2021, 07:30 PM
I'm going to have to watch some 04 KG footage( that's @ RRR3 as well). It's been a while....
Watch game 7 vs the kings
I knew I could expect another idiot rambling from you. If you had spent a little less time with the Playstation and little more time with your shape and your shot, you would have gotten somewhere instead of decrepit and broke. Back to the workstation.
:biggums:
This poster is actually insane.
NBAGOAT
10-05-2021, 09:17 PM
Watch game 7 vs the kings
I should add even though he’s nerdy and very very high on kg, check out thinking basketballs video on kg too. At the very least you’ll get a well put together highlight package and I think his statistical breakdowns are solid even if others don’t
8Ball
10-05-2021, 09:18 PM
Karl Malone.
Honor Boost
10-05-2021, 09:39 PM
18. Kawhi
ClipperRevival
10-05-2021, 10:30 PM
What makes KG better than David Robinson?
Just longevity. I don't think anyone with a sane brain will say peak wise, KG was better than DRob.
ClipperRevival
10-05-2021, 10:38 PM
I'll go with the Mailman. His longevity is GOAT tier, right there with KAJ and LeBron.
Chick Stern
10-05-2021, 11:30 PM
Mailman.
KG is overrated
L.Kizzle
10-05-2021, 11:57 PM
Malone vs Garnett head to head
Malone 23 games won | Garnett 15 games won
Malone 22.6 ppg | Garnett 20 ppg
Malone 8.9 reb | Garnett 10.6 reb
Malone 4.2 ast | Garnett 3.7 ast
All-NBA Teams when both were all-stars level players (both All-Stars between 97-02.
97 1st team Malone
98 1st team Malone
99 1st team Malone | 3rd team Garnett
00 1st team Garnett | 2nd team Malone
01 2nd team Garnett | 3rd team Malone
02 2nd team Garnett
dankok8
10-06-2021, 07:20 PM
Final Vote Tally
Kevin Garnett - 10 (Cold soul, SaintzFury13, TheCorporation, RRR3, dankok8, NBAGOAT, jalbert009, Overdrive, Kobe_Bryant, 1987_Lakers)
Karl Malone - 7 (Magic is Magic, L. Kizzle, Phoenix, SouBeachTalents, 8Ball, Clipper Revival, Chick Stern)
Dirk Nowitzki - 3 (Gonzaldo, ELITEpower23, Manny98)
Kawhi Leonard - 3 (kawhileonard2, HBK_Kliq_2, Honor Boost)
John Havlicek - 1 (Jasper)
Charles Barkley - 1 (Round Mound)
KG wins. Thread #19 is now open.
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