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dankok8
10-07-2021, 01:15 PM
List

#1 - Michael Jordan
#2 - Lebron James
#3 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
#4 - Bill Russell
#5 - Wilt Chamberlain
#6 - Magic Johnson
#7 - Shaquille O'Neal
#8 - Tim Duncan
#9 - Larry Bird
#10 - Hakeem Olajuwon
#11 - Kobe Bryant
#12 - Stephen Curry
#13 - Oscar Robertson
#14 - Jerry West
#15 - Moses Malone
#16 - Julius Erving
#17 - Kevin Durant
#18 - Kevin Garnett
#19 - Karl Malone
#20 - NOW VOTING

Top 25 Player Pool

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For an updated player pool and vote breakdowns see the link (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ARaI3VCNauULLYL1Yu24HIRY768FYQdip56sp6uRFGk/edit?usp=sharing).

Everyone may post in this thread but only votes from serious contributors will be considered. Not everyone has to write an essay but there should be some justification or explanation and some coherent arguments being presented. I encourage people to be open-minded and willing to adjust their rankings in response to strong evidence. Debate and discussion is encouraged.

Opening Vote Tally

Dirk Nowitzki - 5 (Gonzaldo, ELITEpower23, Manny98, NBAGOAT, TheCorporation)
Kawhi Leonard - 3 (kawhileonard2, HBK_Kliq_2, Honor Boost)
Charles Barkley - 2 (Round Mound, Airupthere)
John Havlicek - 1 (Jasper)
David Robinson - 1 (RRR3)
James Harden - 1 (000)
Phoenix
10-07-2021, 01:32 PM
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dankok8
10-07-2021, 01:43 PM
I'm gonna go with Havlicek I think. 8 year playoff stretch from 1967-1974 averaging 26/8/6 on +2.7 rTS and played dominant defense. He also had a ton of accolades including a Finals MVP (arguably should have won two) and a lot of All-NBA selections.
L.Kizzle
10-07-2021, 01:48 PM
I'm gonna go with Havlicek I think. 8 year playoff stretch from 1967-1974 averaging 26/8/6 on +2.7 rTS and played dominant defense. He also had a ton of accolades including a Finals MVP (arguably should have won two) and a lot of All-NBA selections.

You do know he missed the playoffs in 1970 and 1971. No more Russell, no more playoffs. When the crew of Cowens and Jo Jo White appeared was when the Celtics turned around.
jlip
10-07-2021, 01:53 PM
I'm torn between Dirk, Havlicek, Pettit, and Barkley. Without overthinking I'm going to go with Dirk but could easily be persuaded otherwise with quality arguments.
outofstomach
10-07-2021, 01:57 PM
dirk. kawhi comes very close for me due to his absolutely brilliant run in ‘19, but i gotta dock it somewhat due to the warriors being depleted, versus dirk literally ****ing the heatles in the ass :lol
L.Kizzle
10-07-2021, 01:57 PM
I'm torn between Dirk, Havlicek, Pettit, and Barkley. Without overthinking I'm going to go with Dirk but could easily be persuaded otherwise with quality arguments.

Where would you rank Baylor in that mix of players?
NBAGOAT
10-07-2021, 02:01 PM
i picked dirk last thread and I'll do it again. Barkley or David Robinson are next.
dankok8
10-07-2021, 02:03 PM
You do know he missed the playoffs in 1970 and 1971. No more Russell, no more playoffs. When the crew of Cowens and Jo Jo White appeared was when the Celtics turned around.

Well yea... Boston crashed defensively without Russell. Sam Jones also left if I recall right and Cowens only came in 1970. In that era you really couldn't do anything without a defensive big man.
L.Kizzle
10-07-2021, 02:06 PM
Well yea... Boston crashed defensively without Russell. Sam Jones also left if I recall right and Cowens only came in 1970. In that era you really couldn't do anything without a defensive big man.
I only mentioned that because you stated he had an I year playoff stretch from 67-74 but missed right smack dab in the middle seasons.
He wasn't better than Baylor and can be argued with Rick Barry.
1987_Lakers
10-07-2021, 02:08 PM
I'm gonna go with Havlicek I think. 8 year playoff stretch from 1967-1974 averaging 26/8/6 on +2.7 rTS and played dominant defense. He also had a ton of accolades including a Finals MVP (arguably should have won two) and a lot of All-NBA selections.

Havlicek kinda reminds me of Karl Malone, great longevity, but prime/peak wise he wasn't THAT great, in my opinion at their best Rick Barry was the better player of the two, you can also make a strong argument that Dave Cowens was Boston's best player when they won those two championships in the 70's.

My vote goes to Dirk.
dankok8
10-07-2021, 02:15 PM
I might still vote for Barkley or Wade too. They both had a better peak than Dirk.
SouBeachTalents
10-07-2021, 02:25 PM
Dirk
jlip
10-07-2021, 02:26 PM
Where would you rank Baylor in that mix of players?

I think that Baylor is in that tier of players but probably at the lower end. I see names such as Wade and Barry being brought up. I honestly just forgot about those two. They belong in this group also. I'm going to have to rescind my vote for Dirk right now and think about this a little longer.
L.Kizzle
10-07-2021, 02:34 PM
Havlicek kinda reminds me of Karl Malone, great longevity, but prime/peak wise he wasn't THAT great, in my opinion at their best Rick Barry was the better player of the two, you can also make a strong argument that Dave Cowens was Boston's best player when they won those two championships in the 70's.

My vote goes to Dirk.
Dave was MVP in one of those 70 years. I'm thinking 74.
dankok8
10-07-2021, 02:41 PM
Cowens was MVP in 1973 which was the Celtics best year post-Russell. Unfortunately Havlicek got hurt in the playoffs that year and they fell to the Knicks. Still, it's hard to justify Cowens' MVP over Kareem who had a way better season and also on a 60-win team. It was a classic case of voter fatigue.
L.Kizzle
10-07-2021, 03:01 PM
Cowens was MVP in 1973 which was the Celtics best year post-Russell. Unfortunately Havlicek got hurt in the playoffs that year and they fell to the Knicks. Still, it's hard to justify Cowens' MVP over Kareem who had a way better season and also on a 60-win team. It was a classic case of voter fatigue.
Crazy thing is Kareem was All NBA 1st team center and Cowens 2nd team.
Kobe_Bryant
10-07-2021, 03:09 PM
you people voted Karl Malone ahead of dirk?
Phoenix
10-07-2021, 06:16 PM
you people voted Karl Malone ahead of dirk?

Who cares? Only players opinions count....remember?
8Ball
10-07-2021, 06:26 PM
Dirk
Kobe_Bryant
10-07-2021, 06:27 PM
Who cares? Only players opinions count....remember?

damn straight
Phoenix
10-07-2021, 06:34 PM
damn straight

So why ask why Karl Malone was voted over Dirk? Our opinion doesn't count. :confusedshrug:
SouBeachTalents
10-07-2021, 06:46 PM
So why ask why Karl Malone was voted over Dirk? Our opinion doesn't count. :confusedshrug:
I’d say the better question is why meltdown about it to such an extent you create an account pretending to be a dead guy :lol
Magic Is Magic
10-07-2021, 10:54 PM
David Robinson
dankok8
10-08-2021, 12:20 AM
I'll vote for Barkley. Dirk already has enough to clinch this I think but I'll give it a few more hours.
Kobe_Bryant
10-08-2021, 01:00 AM
So why ask why Karl Malone was voted over Dirk? Our opinion doesn't count. :confusedshrug:

because I thought for a minute that you guys just voted me out of the top 10 out of spite. but after the curry and Durant rankings and now Malone over dirk I can say that this place is just f*cking retarded
Reggie43
10-08-2021, 01:05 AM
Barkley
Taurus
10-08-2021, 01:50 AM
I'll go Dirk, and probably Barkley next. This is around the point where there's typically a cluster of interchangeable PFs
Chick Stern
10-08-2021, 01:53 AM
Baylor should already be ranked, but it is hard cause none of us ever saw him play.
I’ll vote Dirk
Phoenix
10-08-2021, 04:01 AM
because I thought for a minute that you guys just voted me out of the top 10 out of spite. but after the curry and Durant rankings and now Malone over dirk I can say that this place is just f*cking retarded

You been around here on 100 different alts. You just figured that out?
RRR3
10-08-2021, 04:41 AM
You been around here on 100 different alts. You just figured that out?
He’s one of the biggest morons here so he can’t talk either.
Phoenix
10-08-2021, 02:49 PM
Bump
Phoenix
10-09-2021, 07:16 AM
:confusedshrug:
Phoenix
10-09-2021, 06:31 PM
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dankok8
10-09-2021, 06:38 PM
Sorry guys I've been a bit busy.

Final Vote Tally

Dirk Nowitzki - 13 (Gonzaldo, ELITEpower23, Manny98, NBAGOAT, TheCorporation, Phoenix, jlip, outofstomach, 1987_Lakers, SouBeachTalents, 8Ball, Taurus, Chick Stern)
Charles Barkley - 4 (Round Mound, Airupthere, dankok8, Reggie43)
Kawhi Leonard - 3 (kawhileonard2, HBK_Kliq_2, Honor Boost)
David Robinson - 2 (RRR3, Magic is Magic)
John Havlicek - 1 (Jasper)
James Harden - 1 (000)

Dirk wins. Thread #21 is now open.