Hoops Hype: 75 greatest NBA players ever

[jlip]

Link (https://*********.com/lists/75-greatest-nba-players-ever-the-*********-list/)

For some strange reason it won't let me post the link. :banghead:

Some interesting rankings to me:
Karl Malone @ #14 ahead of Moses Malone @#15

Dr. J @ #20... They didn't consider his ABA career at all.

Isaiah right ahead of Pippen @ 26 and 27 respectively. (I just like the drama of that.)

Havlicek is next. I honestly would have put him a slot higher than Pippen.

Jason Kidd @ #38 which is eight spots below Iverson

Dominque above Drexler

Carmelo at #49 above Pierce @ #50

[dankok8]

I've seen a lot of lists with Karl ahead of Moses. In fact I've seen Karl as high as #12 all time and honestly one can make a case if they are very high on longevity.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

The link doesn't work, so we can't see another piece of shit list that criminally underrates kawhi Leonard.

Pity for us I guess

[Kobe_Bryant]

The link doesn't work, so we can't see another piece of shit list that criminally underrates kawhi Leonard.

Pity for us I guess

kawhi should probly be around 25 to 30th. the problem with him is he's looked at as lazy and indifferent to his career. he doesn't really try unless it's the playoffs. he would skip the entire regular season if he could

he started the load management thing. now every player doesn't give a f*ck. hes sorta destroyed the nba like lebron. and now Durant doesn't care either.

I think giannis is the only one that really cares about winning every game and doing it in a way that's beneficial to his team

the nbas in bad shape

[JohnMax]

Hoops Hype gets censored when there is no space between the word "hoops" and "hype.'"

https://hoops hype.com/lists/75-greatest-nba-players-ever-the-hoops hype-list/

[Taurus]

Top 25: (Cause that's what most people care about anyway)

1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Bill Russell
6. Wilt
7. Larry Bird
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Shaq
10. Duncan
11. Hakeem
12. Oscar Robertson
13. Kevin Durant
14. Karl Malone
15. Moses Malone
16. Kevin Garnett
17. Jerry West
18. Stephen Curry
19. Dirk
20. Julius Erving
21. Elgin Baylor
22. Wade
23. David Robinson
24. Giannis
25. Charles Barkley

[Taurus]

Link (https://*********.com/lists/75-greatest-nba-players-ever-the-*********-list/)

For some strange reason it won't let me post the link. :banghead:

Some interesting rankings to me:
Karl Malone @ #14 ahead of Moses Malone @#15

Dr. J @ #20... They didn't consider his ABA career at all.

Isaiah right ahead of Pippen @ 26 and 27 respectively. (I just like the drama of that.)

Havlicek is next. I honestly would have put him a slot higher than Pippen.

Jason Kidd @ #38 which is eight spots below Iverson

Dominque above Drexler

Carmelo at #49 above Pierce @ #50

Some other interesting rankings:

Kawhi at 34 (Giannis is already at 24)

Anthony Davis at 46

Damian Lillard at 52

Pau Gasol at 57

Dwight Howard at 62

Chris Bosh at 64

[NBAGOAT]

Top 25: (Cause that's what most people care about anyway)

1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Bill Russell
6. Wilt
7. Larry Bird
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Shaq
10. Duncan
11. Hakeem
12. Oscar Robertson
13. Kevin Durant
14. Karl Malone
15. Moses Malone
16. Kevin Garnett
17. Jerry West
18. Stephen Curry
19. Dirk
20. Julius Erving
21. Elgin Baylor
22. Wade
23. David Robinson
24. Giannis
25. Charles Barkley

This is mostly not too bad though my list would be very different. I think it’s too early to put Giannis top 25.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

kawhi should probly be around 25 to 30th. the problem with him is he's looked at as lazy and indifferent to his career. he doesn't really try unless it's the playoffs. he would skip the entire regular season if he could

he started the load management thing. now every player doesn't give a f*ck. hes sorta destroyed the nba like lebron. and now Durant doesn't care either.

I think giannis is the only one that really cares about winning every game and doing it in a way that's beneficial to his team

the nbas in bad shape

That's the dumbest thing i've ever heard. Nobody on Kawhi's team has ever outworked him, he always leads them in VORP since 2014.

Kawhi has led 7 different TOP 3 SRS teams (2014,2015,2016,2017,2019,2020,2021) all in VORP and 6\7 he led in win shares as well. Jordan hasn't done that, Lebron hasn't done that and certainly Kobe has never came close to that.

Top that off with 2 GOAT finals MVPS when he beat the other two best of his era (lebron and curry).

All that and you have a clear top 5 career ever.

[Taurus]

This is mostly not too bad though my list would be very different. I think it’s too early to put Giannis top 25.

Yeah Giannis at 24 when Kawhi (who I think is pretty equal to Giannis all-time) is at 34 is pretty egregious to me. I have no doubt that Giannis will eventually reach and surpass 24 tho (barring injuries)

[NBAGOAT]

Yeah Giannis at 24 when Kawhi (who I think is pretty equal to Giannis all-time) is at 34 is pretty egregious to me. I have no doubt that Giannis will eventually reach and surpass 24 tho (barring injuries)

i dont disagree kawhi is ahead of giannis right now for me too. Still, I wouldnt put him top 25 either lol

[Sulico]

Terrible list. It's all over the place. No clear preference to championships, or stats or awards. Looks like random people stated their random opinions and dumb random list was born.

[nayte]

Ehh no one has a list like you are saying. It's all opinion based

Will say tho Kenny and 3ball must be loving these two lists lol

[Phoenix]

i dont disagree kawhi is ahead of giannis right now for me too. Still, I wouldnt put him top 25 either lol

If Kawhi had any kind of career ranking argument over Giannis after 2019, I don't think Kawhi has done anything legacy-wise since ( and he's not winning a chip or finals MVP in 2019 if the Warriors are healthy). If anything the shine on 2019 has dulled since chocking against the Nuggets in 2020, and the Clips moving past his injury to get to the conference finals last season. Since their playoff meeting Giannis has won another MVP and a chip/finals MVP( yes the field was injury-ravaged, but see prior comment on the 2019 title). Giannis is clearly a better culture builder, floor raiser, and more decorated player taking into account 2 season MVPs compared to Kawhi who has none and isn't even considered a legit MVP candidate because of his load managing and total lack of leadership. Giannis warrants being ranked higher at this particular point in time IMHO.

[L.Kizzle]

For the most part, the same guys as on USA TODAY's top 75. I notice Dame Lillard almost made this top 50, but not on USA TODAY top 75.
Four other players made Hoops Hype list but not USA TODAY's.
Chris Bosh
Pau Gasol
Lenny Wilkens

These names made USA TODAY's list but not Hoops Hype
Dave DeBusschere
Earl Monroe
Sam Jones
Bill Walton
Manu Ginobili

[gonzaldo]

Dame is certainly top 75 players, 6 all nba selections and better number in playoffs than in regular season justifies it. Manu is unique player, who should be there too, the others i dont know.. Walton has an injury plagued career yet he got everything - ring, finals mvp, regular season mvp is somehow unfair not to put him there... the others i dont know

[Gohan]

Iverson is so freakin underrated its not even funny

[L.Kizzle]

Iverson is so freakin underrated its not even funny
He's number 30 in the list. Where do you think he should have been ranked?

[SaintzFury13]

That's the dumbest thing i've ever heard. Nobody on Kawhi's team has ever outworked him, he always leads them in VORP since 2014.

Kawhi has led 7 different TOP 3 SRS teams (2014,2015,2016,2017,2019,2020,2021) all in VORP and 6\7 he led in win shares as well. Jordan hasn't done that, Lebron hasn't done that and certainly Kobe has never came close to that.

Top that off with 2 GOAT finals MVPS when he beat the other two best of his era (lebron and curry).

All that and you have a clear top 5 career ever.

Kawhi was great in 2019 but his teammates were constantly doing all the dirty work for him throughout the playoffs. There's a reason why he regularly guarded the opposing teams worst offensive player. They needed his offense and they had all the defensive tools they needed to slow down the other teams offense without him giving it all. It wasn't necessary.

[k0kakw0rld]

Top 25: (Cause that's what most people care about anyway)

1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Bill Russell
6. Wilt
7. Larry Bird
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Shaq
10. Duncan
11. Hakeem
12. Oscar Robertson
13. Kevin Durant
14. Karl Malone
15. Moses Malone
16. Kevin Garnett
17. Jerry West
18. Stephen Curry
19. Dirk
20. Julius Erving
21. Elgin Baylor
22. Wade
23. David Robinson
24. Giannis
25. Charles Barkley

Kobe & Shaq can not be ahead of Duncan.

He has a better resume than both.

[ShawkFactory]

Karl Malone is way too high.

Him being over Moses is a joke.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi was great in 2019 but his teammates were constantly doing all the dirty work for him throughout the playoffs. There's a reason why he regularly guarded the opposing teams worst offensive player. They needed his offense and they had all the defensive tools they needed to slow down the other teams offense without him giving it all. It wasn't necessary.

Regularly guarding the teams worst player like when they had to switch kawhi on giannis after they were down 0-2? and kawhi completely shut down giannis. Or when Kawhi shut down Jimmy Butler in game 7??

[3ba11]

That's the dumbest thing i've ever heard. Nobody on Kawhi's team has ever outworked him, he always leads them in VORP since 2014.

Kawhi has led 7 different TOP 3 SRS teams (2014,2015,2016,2017,2019,2020,2021) all in VORP and 6\7 he led in win shares as well. Jordan hasn't done that, Lebron hasn't done that and certainly Kobe has never came close to that.

Top that off with 2 GOAT finals MVPS when he beat the other two best of his era (lebron and curry).

All that and you have a clear top 5 career ever.


Agreed.. My rankings have the centers and ball-dominators lower than guys like MJ, Kobe, Bird, KD and Kawhi, who needed less help because they could play any way needed to allow the best teammte fits and team strategy - that's my top 5 all-time

[nayte]

Two publications has spoken Jordan still the man. Feel bad for the Stan's but keep at it

[colts19]

Top 25: (Cause that's what most people care about anyway)

1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Bill Russell
6. Wilt
7. Larry Bird
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Shaq
10. Duncan
11. Hakeem
12. Oscar Robertson
13. Kevin Durant
14. Karl Malone
15. Moses Malone
16. Kevin Garnett
17. Jerry West
18. Stephen Curry
19. Dirk
20. Julius Erving
21. Elgin Baylor
22. Wade
23. David Robinson
24. Giannis
25. Charles Barkley

Larry Legend at 7. I would rank Bill Russell as number 1 since winning is the name of the game, however since people seem to disregard winning in favor of being the best player based on scoring, defense, passing or what ever you may use. Here is my question. Bill and Wilt are ranked ahead of Larry, yet back in the 80's all of the Celtics greats were saying Bird was the best Celtic ever. So if Bird was the best Celtic ever shouldn't he be ahead of Bill and Wilt. Also during the 80's Magic never finished ahead of Larry in MVP voting until after Larry was injured. Also Bird won Rookie of the year by a 63 to 3 vote, so shouldn't Bird be ahead of Magic?

[Chick Stern]

Larry Legend at 7. I would rank Bill Russell as number 1 since winning is the name of the game, however since people seem to disregard winning in favor of being the best player based on scoring, defense, passing or what ever you may use. Here is my question. Bill and Wilt are ranked ahead of Larry, yet back in the 80's all of the Celtics greats were saying Bird was the best Celtic ever. So if Bird was the best Celtic ever shouldn't he be ahead of Bill and Wilt. Also during the 80's Magic never finished ahead of Larry in MVP voting until after Larry was injured. Also Bird won Rookie of the year by a 63 to 3 vote, so shouldn't Bird be ahead of Magic?
Bird’s results in voting had a ton to do with East coast based reporting, and West games being on too late for those East reporters. There is also the inherent hate that the East has for Los Angeles surpassing New York as the hub of the world. Was he great? Of course. But he wasn’t better than Magic.
Magic’s final game of his rookie year was unprecedented, and has never been repeated. Never.
In head to head finals competition, throughout their careers, Bird only beat Magic once

[colts19]

Bird’s results in voting had a ton to do with East coast based reporting, and West games being on too late for those East reporters. There is also the inherent hate that the East has for Los Angeles surpassing New York as the hub of the world. Was he great? Of course. But he wasn’t better than Magic.
Magic’s final game of his rookie year was unprecedented, and has never been repeated. Never.
In head to head finals competition, throughout their careers, Bird only beat Magic once

My understanding was that each team had 3 sports reporters from that team's town who could cast a ballot. LA sports writers voted for magic, all the others Portland Seattle, Utah, San Fran and others all voted for Bird. Bird was that much better. Also everyone forgets in the final game that year magic was great but he had a teammate that scored 40 points that game and did get any press because the NBA wanted to give all the credit to Magic.

[2much_knowledge]

Slam magazine top 75 just dropped.

As always MJ #1.... again

Another one

We stay winning boyzzzz. :dancin:dancin:dancin

[L.Kizzle]

Slam magazine top 75 just dropped.

As always MJ #1.... again

Another one

We stay winning boyzzzz. :dancin:dancin:dancin
Have they released the list yet?

[bizil]

Yep I don't get how the Mailman got ranked above Moses. 3 MVPS, ring, and being regarded as arguably the best player in the world give Mo the clear nod. Those are three things Mailman NEVER achieved! And peak wise, Moses was the better player. Mo would have been a beast at PF. YET proved he could man the middle and dominate at 6'10.

[2much_knowledge]

Have they released the list yet?

I saw on Instagram that the issue was released today but im not sure if theres a site with the full list online already

[Phoenix]

Bird’s results in voting had a ton to do with East coast based reporting, and West games being on too late for those East reporters. There is also the inherent hate that the East has for Los Angeles surpassing New York as the hub of the world. Was he great? Of course. But he wasn’t better than Magic.
Magic’s final game of his rookie year was unprecedented, and has never been repeated. Never.
In head to head finals competition, throughout their careers, Bird only beat Magic once

They met 3 times, Magic won 2-1. You make it sound like they met 5 times. And those results would most likely favor Larry if they switched teams. Bird playing off Kareem with Worthy on the other wing would have been an embarrassment of riches.

Magic wasn't better than Bird individually until Larry's back went out in 88.

[L.Kizzle]

I saw on Instagram that the issue was released today but im not sure if theres a site with the full list online already
1 Michael Jordan
14 Stephen Curry
25 Allen Iverson

All I've seen so far.

Crazy how AI keeps moving up over the years and Clyde Drexler keeps falling.

SLAM top 50 in 2009, AI was 39.
2011, AI is #40
2018 AI #28

2021, AI is number 25 now.

[L.Kizzle]

7 Shaquille O'Neal
28 Giannis Antetekoumpou

[Gohan]

1 Michael Jordan
14 Stephen Curry
25 Allen Iverson

All I've seen so far.

Crazy how AI keeps moving up over the years and Clyde Drexler keeps falling.

SLAM top 50 in 2009, AI was 39.
2011, AI is #40
2018 AI #28

2021, AI is number 25 now.

Iverson should have been top 10 if we basing this list on eye test

[Phoenix]

1 Michael Jordan
14 Stephen Curry
25 Allen Iverson

All I've seen so far.

Crazy how AI keeps moving up over the years and Clyde Drexler keeps falling.

SLAM top 50 in 2009, AI was 39.
2011, AI is #40
2018 AI #28

2021, AI is number 25 now.

Different people voting on these things as the years pass. Whoever in 2021 is voting him at 25 likely wasn't there in 2009 voting him at 39.

[dankok8]

Iverson at #25 is way too high... I love AI but that's crazy.

[Phoenix]

Iverson at #25 is way too high... I love AI but that's crazy.

I'm guessing a younger crew. If you're like.....30 years old now you basically crew up on peak Iverson at an impressionable age.

[dankok8]

I'm guessing a younger crew. If you're like.....30 years old now you basically crew up on peak Iverson at an impressionable age.

I am 34 and I watched AI during my impressionable years. He was a fun player to watch but he's not a top 25 all-timer.

[L.Kizzle]

Different people voting on these things as the years pass. Whoever in 2021 is voting him at 25 likely wasn't there in 2009 voting him at 39.
How he move up 3 spots from the 18 list tho? What has he done in the past 3 seasons lol.

2030 list he'll be top 20 no doubt lol.

[L.Kizzle]

31 Russell Westbrook.

[Phoenix]

I am 34 and I watched AI during my impressionable years. He was a fun player to watch but he's not a top 25 all-timer.


How he move up 3 spots from the 18 list tho? What has he done in the past 3 seasons lol.

2030 list he'll be top 20 no doubt lol.

I honestly don't know ISH fam, just casual speculation on my part.

[Gohan]

Iverson should be top 10 damnit. Im filing a petition

[jlip]

What is the full Slam top 25?

[aceman]

Why are you arguing over the top 25 all those players getting in?! Should be arguing over who misses out