Mj has more 30 ppg seasons on 50% fg than bron, kd, kobe, steph, harden combined [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

Bronbron23

10-10-2021, 12:47 PM

Jordan is from an area where the primary scorer barely ever shot threes and teams in general didn't shoot threes. So just comparing him to modern players based on shooting stats will be unfair to both sides. It would be interesting to see how MJ would do if he trained for and shot 6 threes a game but the result of that will never be known. Which of course won't stop you people from trolling about it.

Not sure how it's trolling especially when I'm the one that acknowledged the 3 point aspect in the first place. Funny thing is i actually looked and there dosn't seem to be any correlation between players 3 point attempts and their fg%. Bron, kd, kobe, steph and harden all shot around the same fg% even when they almost doubled the amount of attempts. I assumed the opposite that's why i mentioned it but it looks like we were both wrong.

And it's funny you'll say it's pointless comparing mj and those guys because the era was different but yet i see fans of those players mentioned above doing it all the time. This is the easiest scoring era ever yet people are constantly comparing stats from this era to passed era's that were way harder defensively.

Any way man it was a pretty harmless non trolling post. Nothing to feel insecure about.

Bronbron23

10-10-2021, 01:02 PM

MJ’s toughest opponent was John starks

And that is why you have the basketball iq if an acorn my friend. Dumars, Rodman, payton, mason, Blaylock, stocton, mckey, mcmillan, marley, nance, Robertson, derrick harper, ron harper, green and cooper were all players that gaurded mj who were great defenders that were on defensive teams. Then there were guys like gerald wilkins and byron Russell who didn't make a defensive team but were good defenders and also better defensively than starks.

Man its no wonder most bron stans on here have zero credibility:facepalm

999Guy

10-10-2021, 01:09 PM

Well to start Curry had the greatest scoring season ever ever ever and no one is all that close.

8Ball

10-10-2021, 01:19 PM

Not sure how it's trolling especially when I'm the one that acknowledged the 3 point aspect in the first place. Funny thing is i actually looked and there dosn't seem to be any correlation between players 3 point attempts and their fg%. Bron, kd, kobe, steph and harden all shot around the same fg% even when they almost doubled the amount of attempts. I assumed the opposite that's why i mentioned it but it looks like we were both wrong.

And it's funny you'll say it's pointless comparing mj and those guys because the era was different but yet i see fans of those players mentioned above doing it all the time. This is the easiest scoring era ever yet people are constantly comparing stats from this era to passed era's that were way harder defensively.

Any way man it was a pretty harmless non trolling post. Nothing to feel insecure about.

Jordan was garbage at 3s.

3 point shots at 40% fg are worth more than 2 point shots at 50% fg.

You're welcome Jordan stan.

beasted

10-10-2021, 01:42 PM

Jordan was garbage at 3s.

3 point shots at 40% fg are worth more than 2 point shots at 50% fg.

You're welcome Jordan stan.
You can't even troll right.

If I make 20 two point FGs at 50% is that still worth more than 3 three point FGs at 40%. Efficiency is meaningless without the context of volume.

Jordan's combination of volume, efficiency, "help", and winning make him the GOAT.

Bronbron23

10-10-2021, 01:45 PM

Jordan was garbage at 3s.

3 point shots at 40% fg are worth more than 2 point shots at 50% fg.

You're welcome Jordan stan.

Well mj and bron are nearly identical from 3 in the post season so if mj is trash than so is bron.

And yes 3 from 40% is better than 2 from 50 but it's not that simple in a game. If a defense is smothering a 40% 3 pt shooter at the line then often the mid is open and thus now becomes the higher percentage shot than taking a contested forced three.

Plus out of those players mentioned which ones are consistently shooting 40% from 3. I don't kobe or harden ever has. Bron maybe did it once or twice. Kd has done it 4 or 5 times. Steph is the only one to do it consistently.

ELITEpower23

10-10-2021, 01:51 PM

Against Shooting Guards like John Starks and Jeff Hornacek.

Legendary era :oldlol:

000

10-10-2021, 01:55 PM

Did MJ ever average 36 on 62% TS like 2019 Harden?

hold this L

10-10-2021, 02:10 PM

000

10-10-2021, 02:11 PM

Bronbron23

10-10-2021, 02:26 PM

Well to start Curry had the greatest scoring season ever ever ever and no one is all that close.

Bruh are you on crack? In 15 curry had 30 pts on 50% shooting. Mj had 35 on 54% shooting. That's regular season btw. Those seasons in the playoffs steph was 25 on 44% fg and mj was 36 on 53%.

Steph's true shooting is better but ts has it's flaws when being used to compare players just like fg% does. Either way to say it's the best ever and no one is close is foolish. What isn't foolish is saying mj for his career was a much better scorer than steph. 10 scoring titles to 2. A 6 pt difference in career reg season ppg and and a 7 pt difference in post season ppg. MJ's highest ppg for a finals is 42 ppg steph's highest is 31. That's the only finals he has over 30 actually.

It's really not close between the 2 but it's cute steph stans think it is

Bronbron23

10-10-2021, 02:31 PM

Curry just had 32PPG on 65.5% TS with the worst spacing any superstar has ever faced. A shooting % number MJ has never come close to.

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Yes he just had 32 on 65.5 ts% in the easiest scoring era ever and in the same season was out performed in the playoff by a 2nd year player who can't shoot for shit. Go figure:oldlol:

RRR3

10-10-2021, 02:34 PM

Dumbdumb23 still using FG% yikes. Curry absolutely has an argument for the best scoring seasons considering efficiency. He’s got a great argument for GOAT offensive player.

Bronbron23

10-10-2021, 02:50 PM

Dumbdumb23 still using FG% yikes. Curry absolutely has an argument for the best scoring seasons considering efficiency. He’s got a great argument for GOAT offensive player.

I agree he has an argument for best scoring season ever but i never argued that to begin with. As far as goat offensive player he has no argument whatsoever. He wasn't even the best scorer on his team for most of his chips you stupid drug dealing mexican transgender.

Why are you even still on this forum still? Shouldn't you be at a transgender rally trying to get dave chappelle canceled or something :oldlol:

000

10-10-2021, 02:53 PM

Prime Shaq was top 5 in PPG and FG% every season, and he has 11 FG% titles.

8Ball

10-10-2021, 03:03 PM

Curry just had 32PPG on 65.5% TS with the worst spacing any superstar has ever faced. A shooting % number MJ has never come close to.

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Today's players are more talented.

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RRR3

10-10-2021, 03:10 PM

I agree he has an argument for best scoring season ever but i never argued that to begin with. As far as goat offensive player he has no argument whatsoever. He wasn't even the best scorer on his team for most of his chips you stupid drug dealing mexican transgender.

Why are you even still on this forum still? Shouldn't you be at a transgender rally trying to get dave chappelle canceled or something :oldlol:
Good grief what a complete meltdown. Do you always resort to bigotry when you get flustered? Poor lil guy you need a nap.

Hey Yo

10-10-2021, 03:21 PM

Yes he just had 32 on 65.5 ts% in the easiest scoring era ever and in the same season was out performed in the playoff by a 2nd year player who can't shoot for shit. Go figure:oldlol:

Easiest scoring era ever?? How come teams were routinely putting up 120ppg in the 80's with very minimal amounts of 3pa?

hold this L

10-10-2021, 03:24 PM

Yes he just had 32 on 65.5 ts% in the easiest scoring era ever and in the same season was out performed in the playoff by a 2nd year player who can't shoot for shit. Go figure:oldlol:
None of that changes that this topic was for regular season where Curry has shot much better than MJ could ever dream of doing while being defended far harder. Literally in a different league compared to MJ.

3 best TS% for Curry
67.5%
66.7%
65.5%

3 best TS% for Jordan
61.4%
60.6%
60.5%

Now lets compare Curry's average TS% with the 3 best RS that Jordan has shot the ball in his long GOAT-tier career.
62.6%

https://c.tenor.com/s0amepmYJkMAAAAM/michael-jordan-laughing.gif

Also laughing at Ja outplaying Curry, scored less with more shots and was a negative on the court, unlike Curry. Mulder was the best player for the Grizzlies that game, thankfully the league can't rely on the worst bench in the league killing leads every single game.

hold this L

10-10-2021, 03:25 PM

Today's players are more talented.

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Damn, what does that say about the 90s era?

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beasted

10-10-2021, 03:49 PM

None of that changes that this topic was for regular season where Curry has shot much better than MJ could ever dream of doing while being defended far harder. Literally in a different league compared to MJ.

3 best TS% for Curry
67.5%
66.7%
65.5%

3 best TS% for Jordan
61.4%
60.6%
60.5%

Now lets compare Curry's average TS% with the 3 best RS that Jordan has shot the ball in his long GOAT-tier career.
62.6%

https://c.tenor.com/s0amepmYJkMAAAAM/michael-jordan-laughing.gif

Also laughing at Ja outplaying Curry, scored less with more shots and was a negative on the court, unlike Curry. Mulder was the best player for the Grizzlies that game, thankfully the league can't rely on the worst bench in the league killing leads every single game.

On a much faster pace and scorer-friendly defensive rules, and playing absolutely no defense on the other end being hidden in the corner somewhere on the opponents worst player.... Yes with those FACTS in mind, Curry has slightly better raw numbers.

AirBonner

10-10-2021, 04:08 PM

Curry obliterates op’s thread. Imagine Curry with a WNBA 3 pt line :biggums:

Axe

10-10-2021, 04:10 PM

Gohan

10-10-2021, 04:13 PM

MJ’s toughest opponent was John starks

He was a really tough defensive player. I seen a game where iverson had to hit the toughest shots against him

8Ball

10-10-2021, 04:13 PM

On a much faster pace and scorer-friendly defensive rules, and playing absolutely no defense on the other end being hidden in the corner somewhere on the opponents worst player.... Yes with those FACTS in mind, Curry has slightly better raw numbers.

Curry did it last year and was basically by himself and double teamed constantly.

Jordan can't shoot 3s, deal with it.

Axe

10-10-2021, 04:16 PM

Curry did it last year and was basically by himself and double teamed constantly.

Jordan can't shoot 3s, deal with it.
The same year he did losing b2b in the losers bracket that dropped his team to the 9th seed without klay? Lmao.

000

10-10-2021, 04:22 PM

Curry did it last year and was basically by himself and double teamed constantly.

Jordan can't shoot 3s, deal with it.
cream biggums is a better 3 pt shooter than michael jordan

Bronbron23

10-10-2021, 04:43 PM

Curry obliterates op’s thread. Imagine Curry with a WNBA 3 pt line :biggums:

How does curry obliterate the thread? He just got out played by a 2nd year player who can't shoot for shit. You guys are so dumb:facepalm

Axe

10-10-2021, 04:43 PM

cream biggums is a better 3 pt shooter than michael jordan
Curry garnered zero finals mvp during the warriors dynasty.

hold this L

10-10-2021, 04:54 PM

On a much faster pace and scorer-friendly defensive rules, and playing absolutely no defense on the other end being hidden in the corner somewhere on the opponents worst player.... Yes with those FACTS in mind, Curry has slightly better raw numbers.
Faster pace doesn't change his shooting % dumbass. As for friendly defensive rules, Curry takes more than half his shots at the 3 point line. People constantly touch his hands while he's shooting and he doesn't get the FTs unlike Jordan who was loved by the refs. What rules are going to hurt Curry? Explain them in detail. In the playoffs, Curry gets zero respect from referees as players are allowed to constantly foul him with impunity. Do you want to compare those numbers instead?

Playoff Numbers

3 best TS% for Curry
65.9%
62%
60.7%

3 best TS% for Jordan
60.2%
60%
59.8%

Now lets compare Curry's average TS% in the playoffs where he gets mauled with zero respect from the refs with the 3 best PS that Jordan has shot the ball in his long GOAT-tier career.
60.9%

https://c.tenor.com/s0amepmYJkMAAAAM/michael-jordan-laughing.gif

And Curry doesn't have slightly better raw numbers. His averages is significantly higher than Jordan's best numbers in RS, and his best fall around 6% higher. That's a role player to 2nd tier best scorers/shooters in the entire league level difference. Or good player to one of the best scorers/shooters in the entire league. Like I said, Curry is in an entirely different league.

000

10-10-2021, 04:55 PM

The media is retarded
I agree

SATAN

10-10-2021, 04:56 PM

Is this true? Just saw it on Instagram. Pretty crazy if it is.

And OP is in here accusing others of lacking basketball knowledge :yaohappy:

Axe

10-10-2021, 05:12 PM

I agree
Oh don't worry. He still has his kids choice awards from nickelodeon tho if you don't mind. They come in the form of shiny orange blimps btw. :rolleyes:

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Bronbron23

10-10-2021, 05:25 PM

And OP is in here accusing others of lacking basketball knowledge :yaohappy:

Well it is true so it's not me your questioning it's the facts u don't like

RRR3

10-10-2021, 05:43 PM

Dumbdumb23 getting bukkake’d in his own thread ouch.

Chick Stern

10-10-2021, 05:44 PM

Is this true? Just saw it on Instagram. Pretty crazy if it is. I guess one of the reasons for this could be the use of the 3 ball. Mj didn't shoot as many as those guys. I'm assuming if ts was used this wouldn't be the case but either way it's still pretty crazy.

*during the weakest NBA decade

SATAN

10-10-2021, 05:56 PM

Well it is true so it's not me your questioning it's the facts u don't like

Huh? What facts are there to dislike? I watched a large part of Michael Jordan's career and am well aware he was a good scorer.

tpols

10-10-2021, 06:21 PM

Using FG% is silly when players take 10x more 3s today. 33% from 3pt range = 50% from 2. And KD, Chef, Harden etc all shoot way better than that from deep.

Axe

10-10-2021, 06:26 PM

Using FG% is silly when players take 10x more 3s today. 33% from 3pt range = 50% from 2. And KD, Chef, Harden etc all shoot way better than that from deep.
Yep, we know the great kobe bryant wasn't good at that. That's why you came up with this statement.

TheCorporation

10-10-2021, 06:39 PM

Curry obliterates op’s thread. Imagine Curry with a WNBA 3 pt line :biggums:

May god have mercy on the league's soul if Curry was able to shoot at a 90s WNBA 3 pt line :biggums:

Bronbron23

10-10-2021, 07:13 PM

May god have mercy on the league's soul if Curry was able to shoot at a 90s WNBA 3 pt line :biggums:

What? He plays in the easiest era ever and he can't even win one fmvp. You guys are hilarious with this shit:facepalm

Spurs m8

10-10-2021, 07:27 PM

Amazing, considering it wasn't the 3 point league it is today, nor the defenseless league it also it.

He would average 40-50ppg in this league

Pip' N Rodman

10-10-2021, 07:32 PM

Bron has more 55% FG seasons than all of the rest combined :oldlol:

Bronbron23

10-10-2021, 07:39 PM

Bron has more 55% FG seasons than all of the rest combined :oldlol:

He also as as many nba finals loses as all the rest combined :roll:

LeCola

10-10-2021, 07:52 PM

MJ’s toughest opponent was John starks

He played against:

Bird
Kareem
Magic
Shaq
Moses
Hakeem
Isiah
Barkley
Malone
Stockton
Dr J.
Worthy

First 4 one of them are better than any player that plays in this era.

expansionera

10-10-2021, 08:15 PM

Amazing, considering it wasn't the 3 point league it is today, nor the defenseless league it also it.

He would average 40-50ppg in this league
How many points per game does Demar Derozan average today?

SATAN

10-10-2021, 08:53 PM

He played against:

Bird
Kareem
Magic
Shaq
Moses
Hakeem
Isiah
Barkley
Malone
Stockton
Dr J.
Worthy

First 4 one of them are better than any player that plays in this era.

No they aren't.

LeCola

10-10-2021, 09:04 PM

No they aren't.

Yes they are.

He played against

GOAT PG (Magic)
GOAT SF (Bird)
GOAT PF (Bird)
GOAT C (Kareem)

He couldn't play against only GOAT SG, because he was GOAT SG.

RRR3

10-10-2021, 09:09 PM

Yes they are.

He played against

GOAT PG (Magic)
GOAT SF (Bird)
GOAT PF (Bird)
GOAT C (Kareem)

He couldn't play against only GOAT SG, because he was GOAT SG.
Yikes imagine being this stupid

Spurs m8

10-10-2021, 09:19 PM

Yikes imagine being this stupid

Says the little dweeby b1tch

Bronbron23

10-10-2021, 09:23 PM

Yes they are.

He played against

GOAT PG (Magic)
GOAT SF (Bird)
GOAT PF (Bird)
GOAT C (Kareem)

He couldn't play against only GOAT SG, because he was GOAT SG.

He definitely played against the goat pg in magic but bird being the goat sf is debatable. Bird was every bit as good as bron but brons career has been better than bird so bron gets the nod over bird. And bird wasn't a power foward so he's definitely not the goat pf. Kareem does have an argument for goat center but he wasn't in his prime when mj played against him so you can't count that.

Mj did play against shaq, bird and magic in the playoffs though who are probably better than anyone bron faced in the playoffs.

Axe

10-10-2021, 11:10 PM

Says the little dweeby b1tch
Cringe m8

beasted

10-10-2021, 11:39 PM

3ba11

10-10-2021, 11:40 PM

Bron has more 55% FG seasons than all of the rest combined :oldlol:

the 09' Cavs had the 3rd-ranked defense compared to 19th for the 90' Bulls, while Mo Williams was superior to Pippen across the board offensively (PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP, scoring, efficiency).. Then Jamison/Shaq were added to a 66-win juggernaut in 2010.

so Lebron started out with a better team on both sides of the ball and higher seeds, yet Jordan beat him to titles.

Axe

10-10-2021, 11:43 PM

the 09' Cavs had the 3rd-ranked defense compared to 19th for the 90' Bulls, while Mo Williams was superior to Pippen across the board offensively (PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP, scoring, efficiency) - so Lebron started out with a better team on both sides of the ball and higher seeds, yet Jordan beat him to titles.
6-16

3ba11

10-10-2021, 11:50 PM

6-16

Regular season record against old Kobe?

Seems like a much weaker argument than the ones made for Kobe

beasted

10-10-2021, 11:53 PM

Faster pace doesn't change his shooting % dumbass. As for friendly defensive rules, Curry takes more than half his shots at the 3 point line. People constantly touch his hands while he's shooting and he doesn't get the FTs unlike Jordan who was loved by the refs. What rules are going to hurt Curry? Explain them in detail. In the playoffs, Curry gets zero respect from referees as players are allowed to constantly foul him with impunity. Do you want to compare those numbers instead?

Playoff Numbers

3 best TS% for Curry
65.9%
62%
60.7%

3 best TS% for Jordan
60.2%
60%
59.8%

Now lets compare Curry's average TS% in the playoffs where he gets mauled with zero respect from the refs with the 3 best PS that Jordan has shot the ball in his long GOAT-tier career.
60.9%

https://c.tenor.com/s0amepmYJkMAAAAM/michael-jordan-laughing.gif

And Curry doesn't have slightly better raw numbers. His averages is significantly higher than Jordan's best numbers in RS, and his best fall around 6% higher. That's a role player to 2nd tier best scorers/shooters in the entire league level difference. Or good player to one of the best scorers/shooters in the entire league. Like I said, Curry is in an entirely different league.

You guys don't seem to understand the premise of the thread. The thread wasn't made to discuss the most efficient shooting season ever, it was made to discuss efficiency in the context of scoring volume. Also longevity of efficiency with volume. It's fairly common sense and apparent. Surprised it's flying over your head. Revise your idiotic post to fit the true context of the discussion and then I'll think about responding.

Right now you're talking about a majorly deficient volume with higher efficiency in the playoffs. Nobody cares about that in a much weaker era defensively where he's SUPPOSED to be scoring more than Jordan (and isn't). When/if Curry is able to average 30+ in a playoff run where he leads a team to a championship, THEN he can be compared (never happened yet). Jordan had 1 single playoff run below 30ppg as a rookie only.

Also, nobody cares what percentage or stats Curry had playing next to Durant. If any of that is included in any reply you're wasting your time.

Axe

10-10-2021, 11:56 PM

Regular season record against old Kobe?

Seems like a much weaker argument than the ones made for Kobe
2/7

HBK_Kliq_2

10-11-2021, 12:13 AM

He never had a championship run scoring 732 points on 62% TS like goat kawhi did

hold this L

10-11-2021, 01:07 AM

You guys don't seem to understand the premise of the thread. The thread wasn't made to discuss the most efficient shooting season ever, it was made to discuss efficiency in the context of scoring volume. Also longevity of efficiency with volume. It's fairly common sense and apparent. Surprised it's flying over your head. Revise your idiotic post to fit the true context of the discussion and then I'll think about responding.

Right now you're talking about a majorly deficient volume with higher efficiency in the playoffs. Nobody cares about that in a much weaker era defensively where he's SUPPOSED to be scoring more than Jordan (and isn't). When/if Curry is able to average 30+ in a playoff run where he leads a team to a championship, THEN he can be compared (never happened yet). Jordan had 1 single playoff run below 30ppg as a rookie only.

Also, nobody cares what percentage or stats Curry had playing next to Durant. If any of that is included in any reply you're wasting your time.

Stop crying about weak era and its rules. In the playoffs, people get abused defensively all the time with no calls. Curry in particular gets it worse than most stars, yet still gets few FTs and still shot much better than MJ. Your entire premise on Curry is trash by the way. Unlike other top end players, him shooting more doesn't lower his efficiency. It raises it.

And 2 of his 3 best RS seasons are without KD, but it doesn't matter. You can play Jeopardy with Curry's RS shooting numbers and there's a 90% chance it'll end up being better than MJ's best. Keep crying about weak era while not accepting reality.

3ba11

10-11-2021, 01:43 AM

He never had a championship run scoring 732 points on 62% TS like goat kawhi did

Kawhi's stats prove that MJ was otherworldly - let me explain

Kawhi's career usage in the playoffs is 24% - so he closed 24% of possessions via shot attempt, FT or turnover.

Jordan's career usage was a goat 36% - so he closed 50% more possessions than Kawhi in the playoffs - a 50% higher burden.

Like every player in history, Kawhi needed a teammate to match or exceed his playoff scoring for most of his rings, while Jordan led his teammates in every SERIES by at least 10 ppg.. so ONLY JORDAN carried teams like this for his entire career - every year was a 2011 Dirk-like super-man carry-job on steroids - the stats show that definitively.

SATAN

10-11-2021, 02:35 AM

The 80s Bulls were a prime example of MJ carrying. :(

3ba11

10-11-2021, 02:45 AM

The 80s Bulls were a prime example of MJ carrying. :(

MJ beat the #1 SRS in 1989 with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, so he had a carry-job against a good team, which Lebron never did in 2 decades of playing.

In 1989, MJ turned a 14-ppg sophomore and lottery low seed into championship contenders during a miraculous deep run to the 89' ECF, while Lebron missed the playoffs with the East all-star center, and needed to add his opponent's sidekick (a 22/5/5 all-defender) and the future COY to make the 06' Playoffs as a high seed - he literally had a 2-time all-star center and then stole his opponent's sidekick to win his first playoff series.

SATAN

10-11-2021, 02:50 AM

1-9 :(

3ba11

10-11-2021, 02:56 AM

1-9 :(

1-9 happened as a rookie and sophomore when no one wins a playoff series (Durant, Giannis, Lebron, Curry, etc)

And it's also a reflection of Jordan carrying lottery teams (teams that were lottery the prior year) to low playoff seeds and therefore having to carry bad teams in the playoffs, while Lebron never did - Lebron failed to carry lottery teams to low seeds in 04', 05', or 19', and therefore only had high seeds in the playoffs (good casts relative to conference)..

Infact, Gilbert Arenas and Larry Hughes made the 2nd Round in 05' and then Lebron stole Hughes to beat Arenas in 06' - so Lebron always had better casts relative to his Eastern foes, hence the high seeds.

So Lebron never carried "bums" or low seeds in the playoffs like MJ or other stars did - Lebron infact got 3 years to develop his team into a favored high seed before entering the 06' Playoffs, while MJ was thrown into the playoffs in Year 1 and forced to carry 8 seeds..

3ba11

10-11-2021, 03:06 AM

1-9 happened as a rookie and sophomore when no one wins a playoff series (Durant, Giannis, Lebron, Curry, etc)

And it's also a reflection of Jordan carrying lottery teams (teams that were lottery the prior year) to low playoff seeds and therefore having to carry bad teams in the playoffs, while Lebron never did - Lebron failed to carry lottery teams to low seeds in 04', 05', or 19', and therefore only had high seeds in the playoffs (good casts relative to conference)..

Infact, Gilbert Arenas and Larry Hughes made the 2nd Round in 05' and then Lebron stole Hughes to beat Arenas in 06' - so Lebron always had better casts relative to his Eastern foes, hence the high seeds.

So Lebron never carried "bums" or low seeds in the playoffs like MJ or other stars did - Lebron infact got 3 years to develop his team into a favored high seed before entering the 06' Playoffs, while MJ was thrown into the playoffs in Year 1 and forced to carry 8 seeds..

nailed it

SATAN

10-11-2021, 03:16 AM

Incredibly boring.

LeCola

10-11-2021, 09:19 AM

He definitely played against the goat pg in magic but bird being the goat sf is debatable. Bird was every bit as good as bron but brons career has been better than bird so bron gets the nod over bird. And bird wasn't a power foward so he's definitely not the goat pf. Kareem does have an argument for goat center but he wasn't in his prime when mj played against him so you can't count that.

Mj did play against shaq, bird and magic in the playoffs though who are probably better than anyone bron faced in the playoffs.

I think Bird is second best player in history.

I also posted a thread about it: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494298-Larry-Bird-is-the-2nd-best-player-in-the-history

He played PF in his first seasons. Cedric Maxwell played SF for Celtics in those years.

https://i.ibb.co/vBNk59S/image.png

In 81 Finals, Bird averaged 15.3 rebounds per game as playing PF.

This is why I think Bird is GOAT SF and GOAT PF.

About Kareem, he won FMVP in MJ's rookie season. He also played 4 more seasons after that season.

They were at different conferences, they never played against each other in playoffs. Just like Lebron and Kobe.

Bronbron23

10-11-2021, 12:03 PM

I think Bird is second best player in history.

I also posted a thread about it: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494298-Larry-Bird-is-the-2nd-best-player-in-the-history

He played PF in his first seasons. Cedric Maxwell played SF for Celtics in those years.

https://i.ibb.co/vBNk59S/image.png

In 81 Finals, Bird averaged 15.3 rebounds per game as playing PF.

This is why I think Bird is GOAT SF and GOAT PF.

About Kareem, he won FMVP in MJ's rookie season. He also played 4 more seasons after that season.

They were at different conferences, they never played against each other in playoffs. Just like Lebron and Kobe.

I hear ya man bird was a bad dude. I think when it comes to players like bird you have to take rankings for what they are. Rankings aren't really a ranking of who was the better player. They're really just rankings of who had the better career. When i put bron or even mj over bird in the rankings I'm not really saying they're better than bird. I'm just saying they had better careers because head to head in their primes bird coukd easily beat mj or bron on any given day.

3ba11

10-11-2021, 11:33 PM

I think Bird is second best player in history.

I also posted a thread about it: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494298-Larry-Bird-is-the-2nd-best-player-in-the-history

He played PF in his first seasons. Cedric Maxwell played SF for Celtics in those years.

https://i.ibb.co/vBNk59S/image.png

In 81 Finals, Bird averaged 15.3 rebounds per game as playing PF.

This is why I think Bird is GOAT SF and GOAT PF.

About Kareem, he won FMVP in MJ's rookie season. He also played 4 more seasons after that season.

They were at different conferences, they never played against each other in playoffs. Just like Lebron and Kobe.

notice how bird's ppg kept increasing as teams went from 0 three-point attempts to barely 4 by the late 80's - this tiny increase in team attempts was enough to get Bird at 30 ppg - in today's game where teams take 40 threes a game, Bird would average 35-45