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3ba11
10-13-2021, 12:33 AM
When did Lebron beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring & efficiency from a sidekick?

I can't find any.

Lebron can't have carry-jobs against good teams because he can't win with high scoring - his high scoring is too ball-dominant (09' ECF) or too inefficient at the extra jumpshooting volume (15' Finals).. Since he can't have carry-jobs against good teams or win with high scoring, he needs elite 1st options to play sidekick... aka he needs equal-scoring partners that can match or exceed his playoff scoring (11', 16', 20' Playoffs) and can't win with true 2nd options that average far less like Pippen.. Lebron simply lacks elite jumpshooting skill and can rarely "pop off".. he isn't that kind of player, so he needs big 3's and never won without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer.

RRR3
10-13-2021, 12:49 AM
Did Kobe ever beat a better team in the playoffs? Cuz LeBron sure did.

3ba11
10-13-2021, 01:05 AM
Did Kobe ever beat a better team in the playoffs? Cuz LeBron sure did.


As the only team with 3 perennial all-stars and/or 3 elite first options, the 2016 Cavs were supposed to be the best team in the league - they were infact the preaseason favorite, but fell to underdog or loser in the Finals just like the previous 5 years (except for the Ray Allen miracle)

Let that sink in - his super-teams were the preseason favorite every year from 11-16', but fell to loser or underdog in the Finals every year - that means he's underachieving the talent expectation

Lebron himself is performing just fine..... but his teams aren't playing up to expectation (falling to Finals loser or underdog every year), which means he's reducing teammates, not elevating them..

So people have it backwards - if this bum was elevating teammates, then why would he need MORE help for 2 straight decades?.. He's obviously reducing teammates, and therefore needs more help.. So what do you think the Lakers need right now.. I think they could use a 4th playmaker - that's always an important component of any great team... lol

Otoh, Kobe didn't underachieve when he had an all-star teammate and was instant favorite and Finals favorite/won instantly.. Other teams didn't eat on his watch like they did on Lebron's... Lebron's watch was a buffett

RRR3
10-13-2021, 01:39 AM
As the only team with 3 perennial all-stars and/or 3 elite first options, the 2016 Cavs were supposed to be the best team in the league - they were infact the preaseason favorite, but fell to underdog or loser in the Finals just like the previous 5 years (except for the Ray Allen miracle)

Let that sink in - his super-teams were the preseason favorite every year from 11-16', but fell to loser or underdog in the Finals every year - that means he's underachieving the talent expectation

Lebron himself is performing just fine..... but his teams aren't playing up to expectation (falling to Finals loser or underdog every year), which means he's reducing teammates, not elevating them..

So people have it backwards - if this bum was elevating teammates, then why would he need MORE help for 2 straight decades?.. He's obviously reducing teammates, and therefore needs more help.. So what do you think the Lakers need right now.. I think they could use a 4th playmaker - that's always an important component of any great team... lol

Otoh, Kobe didn't underachieve when he had an all-star teammate and was instant favorite and Finals favorite/won instantly.. Other teams didn't eat on his watch like they did on Lebron's... Lebron's watch was a buffett
How come you couldn’t answer a simple question and proceeded to have a massive toddler-esque tantrum?

TheCorporation
10-13-2021, 09:35 AM
Mike needed a perfectly crafted system. He needed it tailor made to win. Mike won because of a system.

He needed to have an elite 2 way player at small forward, No Pip? NO CHIP. He needed the legendary GOAT head coach. He had to play in Chicago. He had to play under no legal zone defense.

Give LBJ the worst front office that hadn't won a championship in 50 years and he will find a way to win. Stick Lebron in Cleveland, Miami, Los Angeles. It doesn't matter. LeBron's number two option can be a point guard like Kyrie, a shooting guard like Dwayne Wade, or a big man like Anthony Davis. Again, it doesn't matter, he always finds a way to win. And don't forget, Ty Lue is no Phil Jackson.

Michael needed a tailor made, perfectly crafted system to get out of the 1st round.

LeBron just needed a ball.

3ba11
10-13-2021, 10:40 AM
LeBron just needed a ball and high seeds

Give LBJ the worst front office that hadn't won a championship in 50 years and he will find a way to win. Stick Lebron in Cleveland, Miami, Los Angeles. It doesn't matter. LeBron's number two option can be a point guard like Kyrie, a shooting guard like Dwayne Wade, or a big man like Anthony Davis. Again, it doesn't matter, he always finds a way to win. And don't forget, Ty Lue is no Phil Jackson





^^^ Lebron failed to carry lottery casts (teams that were lottery the prior year) to low seeds in 04', 05', and 19', so he always had high seeds (good casts relative to conference) - these high seeds included using his opponent's sidekick to win his first playoff series (he stole hughes from arenas to beat arenas)..

So young Lebron always had better casts in the Eastern Playoffs (high seeds) and never carried bums because he couldn't carry lottery casts to low seeds like other stars

And here's Colin Cowherd saying that Pippen was just an athlete/defender and you couldn't run plays for him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_-JIbekYM&t=276s


So Jordan won with a low-producer that always averaged far less and secondary stats, while Lebron always had teammates that could match or exceed his playoff scoring (11', 16', and 20' Playoffs)..






He needed to have an elite 2 way player at small forward, No Pip? NO CHIP. He needed the legendary GOAT head coach. He had to play in Chicago. He had to play under no legal zone defense.

Michael needed a tailor made, perfectly crafted system to get out of the 1st round




There was no Phil Jackson when Jordan made the 2nd Round and Pippen was an 8 ppg rookie - so Jordan dragged a lottery cast to low seeds and had no help

Otoh, Lebron had 3 years to develop his team into a favored high seed before entering the 06' Playoffs, including the East all-star center, the future COY, a top defense and his opponents' sidekick (a 22/5/5 all-defender).





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