LOL Kyrie

[Jay-B]

What a joke he is, talk about selling out your team and the occupation that paid you millions.

[FireDavidKahn]

Kancer Kyrie

[Full Court]

No, he's standing up for personal freedom, and I respect that. Who do people think they are that they can try to coerce others into getting a vaccine they don't want.

[Axe]

He should be suspended.

[Dagoods]

He's a MUSLIM! Take his US Citizenship away and ship him to Afghanistan. Perhaps he could enlighten them into embracing democracy.

[tpols]

Talk about selling out lmao. Most people would sell out for the 100 million+ dollars he's likely to lose. It takes balls to sacrifice that amount of money and illustrious career on principle. OP is a ***** so he wouldn't know anything about that.

I don't know if he can hold it though. Sellout pressure is becoming high.

[k0kakw0rld]

What a joke he is, talk about selling out your team and the occupation that paid you millions.
Shut the fk up you are a moron.

First off, where is the democracy here? Have you heard of "freedom of speech?". Your selfish ass wants to see him play just because you want to be entertained. The millions he is getting right now, he earned them by being considered one of the best Basketball players in the world, for years now.

Why do they make it a big deal when they are deadlier diseases in this world than COVID-19. Why isn't it a choice that we have to make for ourselves? You can not force someone to put something inside their body if they believe it is not good for them. I applaud what he is doing (despite this being his 3rd team where he creates chaos). Many people are in his shoes with fewer $$ in their bank account. People are about to lose their jobs because they are scared of what may happen to them. Before you speak, educate yourself. I know someone who got vaccinated and died. I also know someone suffering from the vaccine causing malformation of their face. we live in scary hours whether y'all choose to believe or not.

[Jasper]

Kyrie has an on going study of cvd19 (didn't know he was a chemist )
He 'un-vaccinated' himself .

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32397602/kyrie-irving-says-decision-remain-unvaccinated-being-true-feels-good-me

unvaccinated:durantunimpressed:

[Sulico]

I don't get the hate.

Kyrie is just very VERY dumb. Nothing wrong with that.

It's not like everyone hating on him is astrophysicist.

[Manny98]

He's literally doing the opposite of selling out

Think how much money and endorsements he's losing out by not getting the vaccine

He's the realest mother****er in the NBA and that's why I respect him so much

[DoctorP]

He's literally doing the opposite of selling out

Think how much money and endorsements he's losing out by not getting the vaccine

He's the realest mother****er in the NBA and that's why I respect him so much

When keeping it real goes wrong lol

[RRR3]

He's a MUSLIM! Take his US Citizenship away and ship him to Afghanistan. Perhaps he could enlighten them into embracing democracy.
Yikes imagine thinking this way. The klan called and said you dropped your hood btw

[Bronbron23]

What a joke he is, talk about selling out your team and the occupation that paid you millions.

Kyrie is a different cat and does alot of weird shit but this isn't one of them. The fact that people are upset with kyrie when they should be upset with the government mandates says more about them than it does kyrie. Your all brainwashed idiots. Please tell me one good reason why nba players should have to get vaccinated? Put your fakkit ass irrational emotions down for just one minute and please tell me why? they're one of the lowest risk groups there is so it can't be about there own safety. Since they're extremely low risk they aren't the ones overwhelming the hospitals so it can't be about that. Also we know that delta accounts for over 90% of covid cases and with delta a vaccinated person is just as likely to catch and spread covid as a non vaxxed is so 8t can't be about the spread so please tell me exactly why nba is mandated to get the vaccine?

[RRR3]

You can always count on ttrolls and Dumbdumb23 to come through with some of the stupidest takes you’ve ever seen. My god how do these guys even manage to use a computer? :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

He's literally doing the opposite of selling out

Think how much money and endorsements he's losing out by not getting the vaccine

He's the realest mother****er in the NBA and that's why I respect him so much

Yup! This board and society in general is full of vaccine junkies that would sell out their mother if it meant another jab in the arm. Individuality and freedom of choice should be celebrated. Instead, these simpletons celebrate the idea that if everyone else is doing it, then you should too. These people need to drown in the ocean.

[Bronbron23]

You can always count on ttrolls and Dumbdumb23 to come through with some of the stupidest takes you’ve ever seen. My god how do these guys even manage to use a computer? :lol

Sure bud how about actually answering the questions with an intelligent response? I know it's alot to ask but give it a try for once. Exactly what did i say that was wrong? Why was it wrong?

[RRR3]

Yup! This board and society in general is full of vaccine junkies that would sell out their mother if it meant another jab in the arm. Individuality and freedom of choice should be celebrated. Instead, these simpletons celebrate the idea that if everyone else is doing it, then you should too. These people need to drown in the ocean.
The irony of a fascist like you talking about in individuality and freedom lol.

[RRR3]

Sure bud how about actually answering the questions with an intelligent response? I know it's alot to ask but give it a try for once. Exactly what did i say that was wrong? Why was it wrong?
Intelligent responses are given to those who have displayed a modicum of intelligence in the first place. Sadly, that rules you and your downplaying of a pandemic that’s killed millions and irrevocably changed the way we live out.

[Patrick Chewing]

The irony of a fascist like you talking about in individuality and freedom lol.

You're the one spouting off Communist and Socialist ideals. Two ideals with no freedom and individuality. You're an enemy to freedom. Go away, scum.

[Bronbron23]

Can we bet on if rrr3 will answer my question with an actual intelligent answer? 5/1 says he won't or better yet can't :oldlol:

[RRR3]

You're the one spouting off Communist and Socialist ideals. Two ideals with no freedom and individuality. You're an enemy to freedom. Go away, scum.
You literally don’t know what either of those words mean. I’m an anarchist before anything else anyways, while you support forcing people to live the way you want them to. Yikes. I never said I supported the mandates before you to there but they’re a pretty obvious step taken by a government trying to reopen society so they can continue to make as much money as possible. You’re not even a good capitalist lmao

[RRR3]

Dumbdumb23: durrrrrrr why should people get vaccinated against a virus that continues to mutate and is highly contagious and dangerous? Btw I demand you answer my idiotic question intelligently.



:lol

[Bronbron23]

Intelligent responses are given to those who have displayed a modicum of intelligence in the first place. Sadly, that rules you and your downplaying of a pandemic that’s killed millions and irrevocably changed the way we live out.

That's not answering the question. I know millions have died and it's unfortunate but who are the ones dying and being hospitalized? Is it 30 year old athletes? How many young athletes are dying or being hospitalized? How many young healthy people period are dying and being hospitalized by covid? Here are some facts for your dumbass. Based on everything we know including stats from the cdc Kyrie irving isn't at risk of dying or being hospitalized from covid. Based on what we know including the cdc young healthy people aren't the ones overwhelming the hospitals. Based on everything we know including the cdc the vaccinated are just as likely to spread covid as the non vaccinated.

So once again i'll ask you why should any nba have to take a vaccine?

[Bronbron23]

Dumbdumb23: durrrrrrr why should people get vaccinated against a virus that continues to mutate and is highly contagious and dangerous? Btw I demand you answer my idiotic question intelligently.



:lol

Not idiotic at all. Put down your ignorance and irrational emotions and just answer the question

[Patrick Chewing]

You literally don’t know what either of those words mean. I’m an anarchist before anything else anyways, while you support forcing people to live the way you want them to. Yikes. I never said I supported the mandates before you to there but they’re a pretty obvious step taken by a government trying to reopen society so they can continue to make as much money as possible. You’re not even a good capitalist lmao

You must have me confused with someone else. You pick fights with nearly everyone on here from the confines of your parent's basement, so it's no wonder why you would get confused. I'm a Constitutionalist. I want individual freedoms above anything else. Get government out of lives and out of our personal decisions.


You're an anarchist because you have no friends and your life sucks. You think it makes you rebellious, but you're just a lonely incel loser with no friends. And YOU chose to be that way. Society didn't make you the way you are. You're a coward of the highest order. That's why you live at home, are afraid to talk to women, and have no job.

[RRR3]

That's not answering the question. I know millions have died and it's unfortunate but who are the ones dying and being hospitalized? Is it 30 year old athletes? How many young athletes are dying or being hospitalized? How many young healthy people period are dying and being hospitalized by covid? Here are some facts for your dumbass. Based on everything we know including stats from the cdc Kyrie irving isn't at risk of dying or being hospitalized from covid. Based on what we know including the cdc young healthy people aren't the ones overwhelming the hospitals. Based on everything we know including the cdc the vaccinated are just as likely to spread covid as the non vaccinated.

So once again i'll ask you why should any nba have to take a vaccine?
“The vaccinated are just as likely as to spread it”

Holy shit you’re retarded.

[RRR3]

You must have me confused with someone else. You pick fights with nearly everyone on here from the confines of your parent's basement, so it's no wonder why you would get confused. I'm a Constitutionalist. I want individual freedoms above anything else. Get government out of lives and out of our personal decisions.


You're an anarchist because you have no friends and your life sucks. You think it makes you rebellious, but you're just a lonely incel loser with no friends. And YOU chose to be that way. Society didn't make you the way you are. You're a coward of the highest order. That's why you live at home, are afraid to talk to women, and have no job.
Massive meltdown with a lot of projection about your personal problems involved as usual, fatty.

[Patrick Chewing]

Massive meltdown with a lot of projection about your personal problems involved as usual, fatty.

Problems? I have a job (my own business), I have a house, and I have sex on a regular basis with a female...a real one.



Only problem here is you got none of that you wack ass fake ass wannabe drug dealer. :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Problems? I have a job (my own business), I have a house, and I have sex on a regular basis with a female...a real one.



Only problem here is you got none of that you wack ass fake ass wannabe drug dealer. :oldlol:
No woman on earth would have sex with an obese fascist. As for the other stuff congrats on being born rich :rolleyes:

[Patrick Chewing]

No woman on earth would have sex with an obese fascist. As for the other stuff congrats on being born rich :rolleyes:

Born rich?? I'm a first generation American born citizen from my family. A family that escaped a Communist regime. I come from a one-parent household too. You were born with more than me. The difference is that I'm not a lazy unappreciative **** like you. I work for my wealth. Nobody handed me shit.

[FultzNationRISE]

Can we bet on if rrr3 will answer my question with an actual intelligent answer? 5/1 says he won't or better yet can't :oldlol:

Nah, he definitely can't.

He's not very smart, but worse than that, his personality is insufferable. So he won't be included with normal people, because he's objectively a low-value loser. His only hope of getting anywhere is to join the far-left union of outcasts, misfits, disabled, etc. controlled by Democrats to gain his allegiance... so they can milk him dry and enrich themselves in the process. Cheerleading guys like ralphiel and tontoz, who are seemingly well-off DC yuppy types spewing the kind of propaganda intended to ensnare losers like RR3, so that they still rich while he stays poor and dependent on the hype they feed him about the revolution.

If normal people aren't being forced to include him, value him, esteem him etc. by decree of government they would never do so. They would never hire him, hang out with him, collaborate with him. He has no merit.

He's hoping that one day ralphiel or tontoz are gonna give him a good paying job that doesnt require any effort or ability. So in the meantime he's saying whatever he's "supposed" to say, in fact the irony is he says things like "I dont believe in capitalism" because he thinks it will eventually lead to personal gain :lol. But realistically because he's such a loser, all that can ever happen is that he gets used and disregarded. He's never gonna like... "become" something respectable because he's objectively less valuable and relevant than like 75% of people. People talk about athletes winning the genetic lottery. Rr3 unfortunately lost the genetic lottery. So it puts him in a really tough spot. The only way he can reach the status he wants is thru illusion. He's being sold a "create-your-own-illusion" kit by government billionaires. It includes Covid pills and shots, buzzwords for accusing everyone of bigotry, anything that keeps the wealthy rollin. He clings to the idea that someday this will get him somewhere.

Pretty sad stuff tbh. But this is how the world is.

We couldnt change it for him if we tried.

Obviously it sucks for him, because his existence is pain, but it also sucks for the rest of us that he's always ruining things by being annoying, PC, try-hard, and a lapdog enforcer for wealthy government billionaires.

So while I feel guilty about hating him and shitting on him... I also think he deserves it. If that makes sense.

[RRR3]

Born rich?? I'm a first generation American born citizen from my family. A family that escaped a Communist regime. I come from a one-parent household too. You were born with more than me. The difference is that I'm not a lazy unappreciative **** like you. I work for my wealth. Nobody handed me shit.
Who the **** are you kidding lmao, you’re an obvious gusano. 99.99% sure your family fled Cuba because they were butthurt they couldn’t own slaves anymore and their massive amounts of land got redistributed.

[Goldrush25]

No, he's standing up for personal freedom, and I respect that. Who do people think they are that they can try to coerce others into getting a vaccine they don't want.

He can be personally free if he wants to, just retire and be amongst all of those people that he thinks he's the leader of.

There's plenty of industries where you need vaccines to work. This isn't anything new. As an NBA player he's gotten tons of vaccines, now he's about personal freedom. He's just a confused idiot. You all can try to make sense of his nonsense if you want to.

[Patrick Chewing]

Who the **** are you kidding lmao, you’re an obvious gusano. 99.99% sure your family fled Cuba because they were butthurt they couldn’t own slaves anymore and their massive amounts of land got redistributed.

You comfortably chirp away from the confines of your parents basement. You know damn well they'd be sucking your face out with a plunger if I had a crack at you. Coward.

[RRR3]

You comfortably chirp away from the confines of your parents basement. You know damn well they'd be sucking your face out with a plunger if I had a crack at you. Coward.
I already told you I moved out I even showed you proof lol. And I’m not sure how you think you could do anything to me considering you can’t make it out of your bed.

[jayfan]

He's literally doing the opposite of selling out

Think how much money and endorsements he's losing out by not getting the vaccine

He's the realest mother****er in the NBA and that's why I respect him so much

Is it that, or that he loves to be 'that guy.' The enlightener.

[Bronbron23]

“The vaccinated are just as likely as to spread it”

Holy shit you’re retarded.

They are. Delta has completely taken over alpha. Almost every case of covid these days is delta and with delta the vaccinated can catch and spread covid just as easily as the unvaccinated. That's actually what the "science" says. Even fauci and the cdc acknowledge this when pressed by actually journalist. Here is the cdc director speaking on this. Go to 1:38. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hhgI1IFPMXQ

Here is fauci talking about it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mP9iHyj1uiU

The problem is you and everyone else including the media else are still using data from the cdc on alpha. With alpha the few small studies they did suggested the spread was much less in the vaccinated because there was less virus in the nasal. With Delta as fauci admitted there's just as much virus in the nasal of a vaccinated as there is in a non vaccinated. That's why they can and do spread it just as much.

As usual you don't know what your talking about dude.

[Bronbron23]

Nah, he definitely can't.

He's not very smart, but worse than that, his personality is insufferable. So he won't be included with normal people, because he's objectively a low-value loser. His only hope of getting anywhere is to join the far-left union of outcasts, misfits, disabled, etc. controlled by Democrats to gain his allegiance... so they can milk him dry and enrich themselves in the process. Cheerleading guys like ralphiel and tontoz, who are seemingly well-off DC yuppy types spewing the kind of propaganda intended to ensnare losers like RR3, so that they still rich while he stays poor and dependent on the hype they feed him about the revolution.

If normal people aren't being forced to include him, value him, esteem him etc. by decree of government they would never do so. They would never hire him, hang out with him, collaborate with him. He has no merit.

He's hoping that one day ralphiel or tontoz are gonna give him a good paying job that doesnt require any effort or ability. So in the meantime he's saying whatever he's "supposed" to say, in fact the irony is he says things like "I dont believe in capitalism" because he thinks it will eventually lead to personal gain :lol. But realistically because he's such a loser, all that can ever happen is that he gets used and disregarded. He's never gonna like... "become" something respectable because he's objectively less valuable and relevant than like 75% of people. People talk about athletes winning the genetic lottery. Rr3 unfortunately lost the genetic lottery. So it puts him in a really tough spot. The only way he can reach the status he wants is thru illusion. He's being sold a "create-your-own-illusion" kit by government billionaires. It includes Covid pills and shots, buzzwords for accusing everyone of bigotry, anything that keeps the wealthy rollin. He clings to the idea that someday this will get him somewhere.

Pretty sad stuff tbh. But this is how the world is.

We couldnt change it for him if we tried.

Obviously it sucks for him, because his existence is pain, but it also sucks for the rest of us that he's always ruining things by being annoying, PC, try-hard, and a lapdog enforcer for wealthy government billionaires.

So while I feel guilty about hating him and shitting on him... I also think he deserves it. If that makes sense.

Dame bruh talk about ether. Rrr3 gonna be on suicide watch after this shit. he's in Mexico so it wouldn't be hard. All he has to do is leave his moms basement and go upstairs to his kitchin and drink some tap water:oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

I already told you I moved out I even showed you proof lol. And I’m not sure how you think you could do anything to me considering you can’t make it out of your bed.

You think people believe you? RRR3tard the drug dealer?? :oldlol:


Give me an address. I'll call you on your bluff big guy. Destroying Anarcho-Commies is what I do best.

[RRR3]

You think people believe you? RRR3tard the drug dealer?? :oldlol:


Give me an address. I'll call you on your bluff big guy. Destroying Anarcho-Commies is what I do best.
Bruh who the **** asks for another man’s address online? **** is wrong with you lmao

[RRR3]

They are. Delta has completely taken over alpha. Almost every case of covid these days is delta and with delta the vaccinated can catch and spread covid just as easily as the unvaccinated. That's actually what the "science" says. Even fauci and the cdc acknowledge this when pressed by actually journalist. Here is the cdc director speaking on this. Go to 1:38. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hhgI1IFPMXQ

Here is fauci talking about it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mP9iHyj1uiU

The problem is you and everyone else including the media else are still using data from the cdc on alpha. With alpha the few small studies they did suggested the spread was much less in the vaccinated because there was less virus in the nasal. With Delta as fauci admitted there's just as much virus in the nasal of a vaccinated as there is in a non vaccinated. That's why they can and do spread it just as much.

As usual you don't know what your talking about dude.
Got any actual sources or just YouTube clips? Idgaf about Fauci he’s lied before and the CDC has as well.

[tpols]

he's always ruining things by being annoying, PC, try-hard, and a lapdog enforcer for wealthy government billionaires.


:roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

Bruh who the **** asks for another man’s address online? **** is wrong with you lmao

Don't be a coward. Man the **** up for once in your life. Stop peeing yourself.

[RRR3]

Don't be a coward. Man the **** up for once in your life. Stop peeing yourself.
This is deranged, Chewy. You’d 100% call the cops on me if I gave you my address.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's not answering the question. I know millions have died and it's unfortunate but who are the ones dying and being hospitalized? Is it 30 year old athletes? How many young athletes are dying or being hospitalized? How many young healthy people period are dying and being hospitalized by covid? Here are some facts for your dumbass. Based on everything we know including stats from the cdc Kyrie irving isn't at risk of dying or being hospitalized from covid. Based on what we know including the cdc young healthy people aren't the ones overwhelming the hospitals. Based on everything we know including the cdc the vaccinated are just as likely to spread covid as the non vaccinated.

So once again i'll ask you why should any nba have to take a vaccine?

To me the answer is pretty clear... because it's not a union issue. Until Kyrie has more NBA players willing to put their salaries on the line with him, he's fighting a battle he cannot win.

Good posts on the topic btw :cheers:

[Bronbron23]

Got any actual sources or just YouTube clips? Idgaf about Fauci he’s lied before and the CDC has as well.

I only used them because they're the "science". People like you always say trust the science and trust the doctors and cdc is the head of all of that in the us so i'm not sure what else you want. I mean common sense suggests this as well. The most vaccinated places in the world like isreal are see record high numbers of covid cases.

Point is both the vaccinated and non vaxxed are spreading this thing. Getting everyone vaccinated isn't gonna stop covid from spreading. It is however going to heavily reduce old people and unhealthy people from dying and being hospitalized. These are the people who should be taking the vaccine. That's alot of people btw. Over half the population is unhealthy mostly due to diet and lifestyle choices. Another large part of the population are over 50. Combined that's probably 70% of the population that should be vaccinated. Ucoincidentally that's right around the target number for must vaccines.

So it's not like I'm antivax. I think most people should get it. I just don't think everyone needs it. Young people, healthy middle aged and people who already had covid are extremely low risk. Since they're so low risk they aren't ones overwhelming the hospitals so they aren't putting other people who need care at risk. Since delta is pretty much 100% of the cases now non vaxxed aren't more of a spread concern so the the spread argument dosn't work.

So again i'll ask. It's they aren't at risk and they aren't putting anyone else at anymore risk than a vaccinated person is why should a young healthy person get vaccinated?

[RRR3]

I only used them because they're the "science". People like you always say trust the science and trust the doctors and cdc is the head of all of that in the us so i'm not sure what else you want. I mean common sense suggests this as well. The most vaccinated places in the world like isreal are see record high numbers of covid cases.

Point is both the vaccinated and non vaxxed are spreading this thing. Getting everyone vaccinated isn't gonna stop covid from spreading. It is however going to heavily reduce old people and unhealthy people from dying and being hospitalized. These are the people who should be taking the vaccine. That's alot of people btw. Over half the population is unhealthy mostly due to diet and lifestyle choices. Another large part of the population are over 50. Combined that's probably 70% of the population that should be vaccinated. Ucoincidentally that's right around the target number for must vaccines.

So it's not like I'm antivax. I think most people should get it. I just don't think everyone needs it. Young people, healthy middle aged and people who already had covid are extremely low risk. Since they're so low risk they aren't ones overwhelming the hospitals so they aren't putting other people who need care at risk. Since delta is pretty much 100% of the cases now non vaxxed aren't more of a spread concern so the the spread argument dosn't work.

So again i'll ask. It's they aren't at risk and they aren't putting anyone else at anymore risk than a vaccinated person is why should a young healthy person get vaccinated?
Your sources were YouTube videos, not actually researched articles. I don’t care about Fauci or the CDC as both have lied in order to meet their own agendas. Because they are both beholden to world governments and capitalism and not purely altruistic ideals. As for why young people should get it even if your contagion claim is correct, why wouldn’t you make yourself less likely to die even if it’s unlikely? Why do you think we get innoculations in general?

[Bronbron23]

To me the answer is pretty clear... because it's not a union issue. Until Kyrie has more NBA players willing to put their salaries on the line with him, he's fighting a battle he cannot win.

Good posts on the topic btw :cheers:

Yeah forsure. The simple answer is he should get the vaccine so he can play and help his teammates. I'm not vaccinated mainly because i'm a healthy 30 year old that lives in a place where covid numbers a very low. I'm also self employed so there's no job mandate so I'm not risking my livelihood. If i was in Kyrie's shoes though i would absolutely get the vaccine but i respect his decision. And i get why his teammates and organization would be disappointed. I even get fans of kyrie or the nets being annoyed. I just don't get people with no skin in the game judging Kyrie's decision like he's ignorant when it comes to topic of covid and the vaccines.

[Bronbron23]

Your sources were YouTube videos, not actually researched articles. I don’t care about Fauci or the CDC as both have lied in order to meet their own agendas. Because they are both beholden to world governments and capitalism and not purely altruistic ideals. As for why young people should get it even if your contagion claim is correct, why wouldn’t you make yourself less likely to die even if it’s unlikely? Why do you think we get innoculations in general?

It dosn't matter why dude. As long as i'm not putting others at risk how i want live and die is my personal choice. Shit in general as a society we do this all the time. We're constantly making choices that put us at risk. Diet, lifestyle choices like drinking and exercising. Shit even something as simple as driving or swimming puts these people at risk. Way more risk than covid actually. Even eating and choking is a small risk. There's thousands of child abductions every year dude. Should kids not go outside and play? Should we stop driving, eating, swimming and living life in general? We take these risks everyday because that's life. You can't worry about every little small possibility of getting hurt or dying. You assess the more serious risks and take the necessary precautions. Covid for young healthy people isn't a serious health risk. Covid for people who already had it and have antibodies isn't a serious risk.

And all that being said if your young or middle aged and healthy or had covid and still want to get vaccinated go for it. That's your own buisness. These people shouldn't be mandated though. It absolutely makes no sense and when we take the fear out of it and act rational and look at the science and data There's no logical argument that can be made to why these people in the extremely low risk categories should have to get a vaccine.

[Smook A.]

He's a MUSLIM! Take his US Citizenship away and ship him to Afghanistan. Perhaps he could enlighten them into embracing democracy.

He's been acting selfish but don't bring religion to this, it has absolutely nothing to do with it

[ArbitraryWater]

not getting vaccinated = selling out your team


the moronic world of 2021

[j3lademaster]

No woman on earth would have sex with an obese fascist.That's not true. You just have to be powerful enough.

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2013/07/17/11/v3-kim1.jpg?width=1200

...Or maybe these women are begging for their lives? Tough to tell these days in NK.

[insight]

That's not answering the question. I know millions have died and it's unfortunate but who are the ones dying and being hospitalized? Is it 30 year old athletes? How many young athletes are dying or being hospitalized? How many young healthy people period are dying and being hospitalized by covid? Here are some facts for your dumbass. Based on everything we know including stats from the cdc Kyrie irving isn't at risk of dying or being hospitalized from covid. Based on what we know including the cdc young healthy people aren't the ones overwhelming the hospitals. Based on everything we know including the cdc the vaccinated are just as likely to spread covid as the non vaccinated.

So once again i'll ask you why should any nba have to take a vaccine?

Because highly infectious deseases like Covid 19 Mutate and if we all do not participate in controlling transmission it puts more lives in danger and destroys the economy. Vaccine requirements are NOTHING NEW! You can't go to school or college without showing you immunization records. Maybe Kyrie should denouce vaccines for Polio, Hepatitis, Menigitis, Measles, Mumps, Chicken Pox, or Whoomping Cough. How stupid can people get equating rejecting the best methods we have at controlling a highly infectious deaseae to fighting for individual liberities. What Kyrie has never understood ishe is part of a team, his personal actions affect the collective. Those same priciples apply for a Basketball team or TEAM USA or TEAM WORLD.

[Bronbron23]

Because highly infectious deseases like Covid 19 Mutate and if we all do not participate in controlling transmission it puts more lives in danger and destroys the economy. Vaccine requirements are NOTHING NEW! You can't go to school or college without showing you immunization records. Maybe Kyrie should denouce vaccines for Polio, Hepatitis, Menigitis, Measles, Mumps, Chicken Pox, or Whoomping Cough. How stupid can people get equating rejecting the best methods we have at controlling a highly infectious deaseae to fighting for individual liberities. What Kyrie has never understood ishe is part of a team, his personal actions affect the collective. Those same priciples apply for a Basketball team or TEAM USA or TEAM WORLD.

Yes they do mutate but it's arguable on what makes them mutate more vaccines or the spreading. In this case like the flu it's irrelevant because you can't stop the spread because the vaccinated are spreading it as much or close to as much as the unvaccinated when it comes to delta which is 99% of the cases so that point is moot. Your making the same argument as most people do but it's false because it's based on the data for alpha.

As far as showing id and taking away our freedoms i'm not even arguing that. I don't think those arw good arguments because this idea that we live in a totally free country is b.s anyway. We give up all kinds of freedoms.

So i'll ask you the same thing i asked rr3 and that i ask everyone who is wrong on this. If kyrie is a 29 year old healthy athlete and healthy people his age are extremely low risk of dying or being hospitalized by covid how is he putting himself at risk? How are people in his category overwhelming the hospitals when barley any of them are dying or being admitted to the icu? How is he or people in his age group spreading covid anymore than the vaccinated are?

[rawimpact]

What a joke he is, talk about selling out your team and the occupation that paid you millions.

You mean the profession that wants to extend into his health?

Right or wrong, Kyrie is man enough to stand for what he believes in. I can respect that more than someone like Wiggins who was against it but changed his mind when he found out he'd be penalized monetarily.

[SaintzFury13]

No, he's standing up for personal freedom, and I respect that. Who do people think they are that they can try to coerce others into getting a vaccine they don't want.

Oh bullshit. Irving refused to take the vaccine before the mandates were even being considered in the first place.

The entire reason as to why Irving is doing this is for the attention. That's literally it. He's always been a massive attention hog, even worse than LeBron (never thought I'd find myself saying that).

[insight]

Yes they do mutate but it's arguable on what makes them mutate more vaccines or the spreading. In this case like the flu it's irrelevant because you can't stop the spread because the vaccinated are spreading it as much or close to as much as the unvaccinated when it comes to delta which is 99% of the cases so that point is moot. Your making the same argument as most people do but it's false because it's based on the data for alpha.

As far as showing id and taking away our freedoms i'm not even arguing that. I don't think those arw good arguments because this idea that we live in a totally free country is b.s anyway. We give up all kinds of freedoms.

So i'll ask you the same thing i asked rr3 and that i ask everyone who is wrong on this. If kyrie is a 29 year old healthy athlete and healthy people his age are extremely low risk of dying or being hospitalized by covid how is he putting himself at risk? How are people in his category overwhelming the hospitals when barley any of them are dying or being admitted to the icu? How is he or people in his age group spreading covid anymore than the vaccinated are?

I think the near irradication of deseases like Polio, Measles and Heptatis as result of vaccines clearly proves vaccines save lives and help erradicate desease. Mutations will occur with or without the use of vaccines, I am not aware of any scienfitic studies showing vaccines increase mutations if you know of some please share.
I understand what you are saying, and agree Kyre's risk of serious illness or death is very low based on his health and age. Ironically this is the exact opposite for the swine flu H1N1 which older people were less susptible than younger people.

Where we disagree is I beleive the vaccine is our best chance to prep our immune systems to a novel virus and help control the spread of the virus, reduce death, hospitalizaltions .
It is true vaccinated people are suspectible to catching and spreading the Delta variant. This is because the Delta variant carries a higher viral load than it's predessors making it 10X times more contagious.
However vaccinated people still have more protection than unvaccinated people which reduces the spread and death. It's funny to me how people will question tools to fight a virus that reached pandemic levels but do not question the growth hormones and peticides in the food and water they consume everyday. 40% of the US population is obese, with diabettes, high blood pressure affecting more younger people each year but we are fighting over wearing a mask?

[fsvr54]

Those vaccines were different than the covid mrna vaccine.

Being anti the covid vaccine is different from being an antivaxxer. It's THIS SPECIFIC ONE. Those polio arguments are pointless.

[insight]

Those vaccines were different than the covid mrna vaccine.

Being anti the covid vaccine is different from being an antivaxxer. It's THIS SPECIFIC ONE. Those polio arguments are pointless.

How is it different? George Washington mandated the troops get inoculated with small pox which means they were exposed to a live small pox virus to vaccinate people. The Polio vaccine was tested on over a million school age children in the first trials. People woud lose thier minds if that happened in todays times.

[HylianNightmare]

Get this clown outta the league

[SATAN]

I'm convinced people like Manny & BronBron23 wouldn't get a vaccine that helped keep himself and larger society safe(r) from airborne mutating cancerous aids encephalitis.

[RRR3]

I'm convinced people like Manny & BronBron23 wouldn't get a vaccine that helped keep himself and larger society safe(r) from airborne mutating cancerous aids encephalitis.
Yeah they wouldn’t because Alex Jones told them not to.

[tpols]

Those vaccines were different than the covid mrna vaccine.

Being anti the covid vaccine is different from being an antivaxxer. It's THIS SPECIFIC ONE. Those polio arguments are pointless.

Yup.

All previous vaccines used dead or weakened strains of the particular pathogen to introduce your immune system to it and produce antibodies for it, such that if you encountered the real thing in full form later on your immune system would be able to defeat it quickly.

This "vaccine" isn't a vaccine. It is a new type of mRNA technology with no long term (5-10 years) human clinical trials.

It also doesn't stop transmission in the same way as traditional vaccines which we see in places like Is real where they still have a ton of cases even with a huge % of people vaxxed.

Ask yourself, when someone got a smallpox or polio vaccine... did they need a booster every year? No... it was one and done to last a long time. This treatment is nothing like those prior.

[Bronbron23]

I think the near irradication of deseases like Polio, Measles and Heptatis as result of vaccines clearly proves vaccines save lives and help erradicate desease. Mutations will occur with or without the use of vaccines, I am not aware of any scienfitic studies showing vaccines increase mutations if you know of some please share.
I understand what you are saying, and agree Kyre's risk of serious illness or death is very low based on his health and age. Ironically this is the exact opposite for the swine flu H1N1 which older people were less susptible than younger people.

Where we disagree is I beleive the vaccine is our best chance to prep our immune systems to a novel virus and help control the spread of the virus, reduce death, hospitalizaltions .
It is true vaccinated people are suspectible to catching and spreading the Delta variant. This is because the Delta variant carries a higher viral load than it's predessors making it 10X times more contagious.
However vaccinated people still have more protection than unvaccinated people which reduces the spread and death. It's funny to me how people will question tools to fight a virus that reached pandemic levels but do not question the growth hormones and peticides in the food and water they consume everyday. 40% of the US population is obese, with diabettes, high blood pressure affecting more younger people each year but we are fighting over wearing a mask?

Of course vaccines work. I've never argued that but polio, Measles and Hepatitis are all viruses that when vaccinated couldn't be spread. The flu like covid isn't that kind of virus. The vaccine is great for reducing deaths and hospitalizations but no so much with reducing infection and the spread. This is an important fact to acknowledge because it's the reason why we can't control the spread. This line if thinking needs to stop. We need to view this the same as we do the flu which also can't stop the spread of. So your claim that vaccinated people have more protection when it comes to spread is just wrong. They are protected from dying and being seriously sick.

I agree with your take on growth hormones and things like that. I'm actually very conscious of thise things but some of these antivaxers are definitely guilty of that. As far as obesity and all the ailments that come along with it these are the things that's causing most of the deaths with covid. This isn't a pandemic of the unvaccinated it's a pandemic of the old and unhealthy. These are the people that need to be vaccinated. Not young people. Not covid survivors and not middle aged who are healthy. This has always been my point and honestly it's not arguable

[SaintzFury13]

Those vaccines were different than the covid mrna vaccine.

Being anti the covid vaccine is different from being an antivaxxer. It's THIS SPECIFIC ONE. Those polio arguments are pointless.

No they're not. Both have been proven to be effective. There is no logical reason at this point to be anti Covid vaccine but still be supportive of the other ones.


Yup.

All previous vaccines used dead or weakened strains of the particular pathogen to introduce your immune system to it and produce antibodies for it, such that if you encountered the real thing in full form later on your immune system would be able to defeat it quickly.

This "vaccine" isn't a vaccine. It is a new type of mRNA technology with no long term (5-10 years) human clinical trials.

It also doesn't stop transmission in the same way as traditional vaccines which we see in places like Is real where they still have a ton of cases even with a huge % of people vaxxed.

Ask yourself, when someone got a smallpox or polio vaccine... did they need a booster every year? No... it was one and done to last a long time. This treatment is nothing like those prior.

And yet we have been seeing for months now that it still works extremely well to the point where it's necessary.

Also, it's a vaccine. Stop being a retard.

[Goldrush25]

Now Kyrie's saying he's not retiring over this vaccine. He's a fraud just like Wiggins. Wasting everyone's time when he's going to get it eventually, making all of his supporters look like fools.

[tontoz]

No they're not. Both have been proven to be effective. There is no logical reason at this point to be anti Covid vaccine but still be supportive of the other ones.

It is comical that they say they are only against this vaccine when there are many different covid vaccines, only two of which are mRNA.

:facepalm

[insight]

Yup.

All previous vaccines used dead or weakened strains of the particular pathogen to introduce your immune system to it and produce antibodies for it, such that if you encountered the real thing in full form later on your immune system would be able to defeat it quickly.

This "vaccine" isn't a vaccine. It is a new type of mRNA technology with no long term (5-10 years) human clinical trials.

It also doesn't stop transmission in the same way as traditional vaccines which we see in places like Is real where they still have a ton of cases even with a huge % of people vaxxed.

Ask yourself, when someone got a smallpox or polio vaccine... did they need a booster every year? No... it was one and done to last a long time. This treatment is nothing like those prior.

Johnson and Johnson is not a mRNA vaccine. Yes, Moderna and Phizer use a spike protien to activate an immune response which is a new method but that is the nature of progressive medicine.
They used to use a band saw to split your chest bone in half to perform open heart surgery, now they use stints, cameras and less evasive techniques. Medicine evolves as we learn more about the human body and technology advances.

[3ba11]

Kyrie has literally become my 3rd favorite player all-time because of this - he moves ahead of "The Truth" Paul Pierce - it takes remarkable alpha, courage and conviction to do what Kyrie is doing and this is rarely seen in today's world

top 4 skilled players all-time = MJ/Kobe/Kyrie/Pierce

[insight]

Of course vaccines work. I've never argued that but polio, Measles and Hepatitis are all viruses that when vaccinated couldn't be spread. The flu like covid isn't that kind of virus. The vaccine is great for reducing deaths and hospitalizations but no so much with reducing infection and the spread. This is an important fact to acknowledge because it's the reason why we can't control the spread. This line if thinking needs to stop. We need to view this the same as we do the flu which also can't stop the spread of. So your claim that vaccinated people have more protection when it comes to spread is just wrong. They are protected from dying and being seriously sick.

I agree with your take on growth hormones and things like that. I'm actually very conscious of thise things but some of these antivaxers are definitely guilty of that. As far as obesity and all the ailments that come along with it these are the things that's causing most of the deaths with covid. This isn't a pandemic of the unvaccinated it's a pandemic of the old and unhealthy. These are the people that need to be vaccinated. Not young people. Not covid survivors and not middle aged who are healthy. This has always been my point and honestly it's not arguable


Do you think it's a coincidence that the infection rates for the delta variant are going down as the vaccination rates increase? How do you explain lower infection rates in cities with the highest vaccination rates? I do agree there are no clinical studies that PROVE reduced transmission rates for the vacinatted vs the unvacinatted but the overall numbers are undeniable that there is a correlation.

Covid is in the same family as the flu and is considered a respiratory infection but it causes symptoms like inflammation of vital organs, lung scarring and several other symptoms that have never been seen before. We still do not understand it's origins or wheather it's been modified in a lab so I don't think we can equate it to the flu or any other desease right now. I agree with you that all the data says young people risk of death or hospitalization is far less than the older population but we are interconnected as a soceity. I think even if 10% more lives are saved by young people taking the vacccine the reward far out weights the risk. All the young people inherited a stable society because people who came before them died a sacraficed to make this country what it is.

[Bronbron23]

Do you think it's a coincidence that the infection rates for the delta variant are going down as the vaccination rates increase? How do you explain lower infection rates in cities with the highest vaccination rates? I do agree there are no clinical studies that PROVE reduced transmission rates for the vacinatted vs the unvacinatted but the overall numbers are undeniable that there is a correlation.

Covid is in the same family as the flu and is considered a respiratory infection but it causes symptoms like inflammation of vital organs, lung scarring and several other symptoms that have never been seen before. We still do not understand it's origins or wheather it's been modified in a lab so I don't think we can equate it to the flu or any other desease right now. I agree with you that all the data says young people risk of death or hospitalization is far less than the older population but we are interconnected as a soceity. I think even if 10% more lives are saved by young people taking the vacccine the reward far out weights the risk. All the young people inherited a stable society because people who came before them died a sacraficed to make this country what it is.

Not sure about your correlation argument. It seems like there's no rhyme or reason at the moment. Some places that were heavily vaccinated were having their biggest spikes and some were reducing. Theres Not enough studies to say for sure.

As far as your 10% argument i disagree. We don't apply this rational for anything else. If the government cdc and people in general cared that much this then they'd have to apply that line of thinking for everything. The truth is this virus can't be stopped. It's gonna spread regardless so the people that should be vaccinated are the people that are at most risk. The old, unhealthy and those that haven't had covid. We do this and almost nobody will die or get hospitalized. Vaccinating the low risk groups isn't necessary whatsoever

[insight]

Not sure about your correlation argument. It seems like there's no rhyme or reason at the moment. Some places that were heavily vaccinated were having their biggest spikes and some were reducing. Theres Not enough studies to say for sure.

As far as your 10% argument i disagree. We don't apply this rational for anything else. If the government cdc and people in general cared that much this then they'd have to apply that line of thinking for everything. The truth is this virus can't be stopped. It's gonna spread regardless so the people that should be vaccinated are the people that are at most risk. The old, unhealthy and those that haven't had covid. We do this and almost nobody will die or get hospitalized. Vaccinating the low risk groups isn't necessary whatsoever

The correlation is the states with the highest infection rates per captia have the lowest vaccine rates.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covid19-cases-rate-us-americans-by-state/

Covid killled over 700,000 people in the US within a years time, 10% of that is 70,000 people. That is more than the people who die from sucide or diabetes each year. 10% sounds small but that 70K would still be the 8th leading cause of death in the country.

[3ba11]

The correlation is the states with the highest infection rates per captia have the lowest vaccine rates.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covid19-cases-rate-us-americans-by-state/

Covid killled over 700,000 people in the US within a years time, 10% of that is 70,000 people. That is more than the people who die from sucide or diabetes each year. 10% sounds small but that 70K would still be the 8th leading cause of death in the country.


It's about personal freedom - unvaccinated people aren't a danger to the vaccinated, so no one should worry - just get the vaccine if you're worried.. otherwise, leave me alone and stop worrying about whether i'll die - it's none of your damn business

Btw, I have natural immunity, which is far superior to the vaccine - you'll need a shot in your arm several times a year, while I never will because natural immunity is far more robust and complex.

[RRR3]

It's about personal freedom - unvaccinated people aren't a danger to the vaccinated, so no one should worry - just get the vaccine if you're worried.. otherwise, leave me alone and stop worrying about whether i'll die - it's none of your damn business

Btw, I have natural immunity, which is far superior to the vaccine - you'll need a shot in your arm several times a year, while I never will because natural immunity is far more robust and complex.
You’re retarded

[Bronbron23]

The correlation is the states with the highest infection rates per captia have the lowest vaccine rates.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covid19-cases-rate-us-americans-by-state/

Covid killled over 700,000 people in the US within a years time, 10% of that is 70,000 people. That is more than the people who die from sucide or diabetes each year. 10% sounds small but that 70K would still be the 8th leading cause of death in the country.

Of course the states with highest vaccine rates are gonna have the lowest infection rates. The infection rates are taken from reported cases and reported cases are obviously gonna be lower the more you get vaccinated because way less people are gonna get tested.

And covid didn't kill over 700,000 people in a year it killed 350,000 but that's still alot. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/03/31/us/covid-death-rates.amp.html

[3ba11]

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Kyrie's actions have confirmed America is still the land of the FREE. Without historic figures like Kyrie who are willing to take a stand for freedom, our country would be reduced to less-free countries that restrict or control the actions of their citizens

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Kyrie's actions have confirmed America is still the land of the FREE. Without historic figures like Kyrie who are willing to take a stand for freedom, our country would be reduced to less-free countries that restrict or control the actions of their citizens
lol

[insight]

Of course the states with highest vaccine rates are gonna have the lowest infection rates. The infection rates are taken from reported cases and reported cases are obviously gonna be lower the more you get vaccinated because way less people are gonna get tested.

And covid didn't kill over 700,000 people in a year it killed 350,000 but that's still alot. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/03/31/us/covid-death-rates.amp.html

Nope, Hospitalization rates, and deaths declined too within states with the highest percentage of vaccinations. If this was a result of testing, you wouldn't see a correlation with those other indicators.


On your second point The numbers are inflated but to be clear, I said within a years time, I did not say 2020. Example if you took April 2020 to April 2021 it would be 500K people, still not 700k but more than 350K.

[Bronbron23]

Nope, Hospitalization rates, and deaths declined too within states with the highest percentage of vaccinations. If this was a result of testing, you wouldn't see a correlation with those other indicators.


On your second point The numbers are inflated but to be clear, I said within a years time, I did not say 2020. Example if you took April 2020 to April 2021 it would be 500K people, still not 700k but more than 350K.

Well yeah deaths and hospitalizations are gonna be lower because the vaccines work as far as protecting the individual. Again the more vaccinated you are the less testing is gonna be done and therefore there's gonna be less reported cases. Deaths and hospitalizations are gonna drop also. Isreal is a good example of how more vaccinations dosn't equal less cases. So is the uk who loke Israel ate more vaxxed than ever but also having their highest cases ever. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-covid-cases-latest-b1938526.html%3famp

As far as the number of deaths per year 500k sounds about right. I think us is at around 355,000 for 2021 and there's another 2.5 months left.

[insight]

Well yeah deaths and hospitalizations are gonna be lower because the vaccines work as far as protecting the individual. Again the more vaccinated you are the less testing is gonna be done and therefore there's gonna be less reported cases. Deaths and hospitalizations are gonna drop also. Isreal is a good example of how more vaccinations dosn't equal less cases. So is the uk who loke Israel ate more vaxxed than ever but also having their highest cases ever. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-covid-cases-latest-b1938526.html%3famp

As far as the number of deaths per year 500k sounds about right. I think us is at around 355,000 for 2021 and there's another 2.5 months left.

Why is Isreal is good example? I hear Isreal being mentioned in the media but they never tell the viewers Isreal only has 9.5 Million people and only spans 9,000 square miles.
To put that in perspective the state of Calfiornia has 29 million people and and spans 163,000 square miles.
I will have to look into what is going on in the UK more before I can comment on that situation. I know they have a large segment of the population vacinnated and cases are rising there could be many I won't draw conclusions without learning more about what is going on.

[Bronbron23]

Why is Isreal is good example? I hear Isreal being mentioned in the media but they never tell the viewers Isreal only has 9.5 Million people and only spans 9,000 square miles.
To put that in perspective the state of Calfiornia has 29 million people and and spans 163,000 square miles.
I will have to look into what is going on in the UK more before I can comment on that situation. I know they have a large segment of the population vacinnated and cases are rising there could be many I won't draw conclusions without learning more about what is going on.

It's a good example for a couple reasons. One being they got hit hard before the us and unlike the us they studied everything in large numbers. Not just deaths and hospitalizations like the us. They studied everything. Spread, natural immunity, children you name it. The cdc and fauci acknowledge this also. Isreal understanding of the virus is significantly better than the us because of this.

I guess the point of me bringing up Isreal and uk is overall covid is a shit show. There dosn't seem to be any rhyme or reason for anything. Shit is constantly changing as we learn more about this new virus and variants and the vaccines. All we know for sure is that this things hits old people and unhealthy people pretty hard but for the most part it's not a serious issue for young people and middle aged healthy people relatively speaking. This much shouldn't be debatable. The only argument to this is the one or few lives matters argument but we as a society have never cared about such a small possibility of dying for anything like we do with covid when it comes to these groups. The only reason why we do now is because of the fear mongering by the government, media and cdc.

[BurningHammer]

Oh boy, back to the endless COVID debate again. Some folks here just can't stop doing it. :oldlol:

Oh, and LOL Kyrie :oldlol:

[insight]

It's a good example for a couple reasons. One being they got hit hard before the us and unlike the us they studied everything in large numbers. Not just deaths and hospitalizations like the us. They studied everything. Spread, natural immunity, children you name it. The cdc and fauci acknowledge this also. Isreal understanding of the virus is significantly better than the us because of this.

I guess the point of me bringing up Isreal and uk is overall covid is a shit show. There dosn't seem to be any rhyme or reason for anything. Shit is constantly changing as we learn more about this new virus and variants and the vaccines. All we know for sure is that this things hits old people and unhealthy people pretty hard but for the most part it's not a serious issue for young people and middle aged healthy people relatively speaking. This much shouldn't be debatable. The only argument to this is the one or few lives matters argument but we as a society have never cared about such a small possibility of dying for anything like we do with covid when it comes to these groups. The only reason why we do now is because of the fear mongering by the government, media and cdc.

Hit hard is a relative term, the entire middle east has had 13 Million cases, and a little over 200,000 covid related deaths. Isreal is the equivalent to studying North Carolina, or Georgia, without the variations of climate and ethnic diversity. I agree Isreal collects more comprehensive data but many other countries that are larger do too, Isreal is used because they are considered an ally and democratic goverment.

I agree there is alot of unknowns, one plausible theory is certain regions have been exposed to a variantion of this virus previously so the natural immune system response is higher in certain countries. This would have explain why United States leads the world in Covid deaths, despite being the wealthest country in the world.

You are absolutely correct that Covid 19 primarily causes death in older people, as I mentioned before H1N1, Polio, and Whooping Cough were more deadly to young people than older people. In my opinion, we are all interconnected, and have a responsiblity to protect each other.
American has shown it cares about a lot of things much smaller than Covid 19.
3,000 people died on 911, America responded by starting two wars lasting over 20 years and spending trillions of dollars.
Billions are spent on border control which does not make the country safter.
We spend billions of dollars incarerating people for selling and consuming drugs when it only affects a small segment of our population.
I could go on and on...

[Bronbron23]

Hit hard is a relative term, the entire middle east has had 13 Million cases, and a little over 200,000 covid related deaths. Isreal is the equivalent to studying North Carolina, or Georgia, without the variations of climate and ethnic diversity. I agree Isreal collects more comprehensive data but many other countries that are larger do too, Isreal is used because they are considered an ally and democratic goverment.

I agree there is alot of unknowns, one plausible theory is certain regions have been exposed to a variantion of this virus previously so the natural immune system response is higher in certain countries. This would have explain why United States leads the world in Covid deaths, despite being the wealthest country in the world.

You are absolutely correct that Covid 19 primarily causes death in older people, as I mentioned before H1N1, Polio, and Whooping Cough were more deadly to young people than older people. In my opinion, we are all interconnected, and have a responsiblity to protect each other.
American has shown it cares about a lot of things much smaller than Covid 19.
3,000 people died on 911, America responded by starting two wars lasting over 20 years and spending trillions of dollars.
Billions are spent on border control which does not make the country safter.
We spend billions of dollars incarerating people for selling and consuming drugs when it only affects a small segment of our population.
I could go on and on...

So i agree that we all should protect each other. we just disagree on whether the vaccines accomplish that or not. I don't think they do and the science supports this. You think they do and the science dosn't support it but there is some correlating data that does. We'll have to just agree to disagree i guess.

[insight]

So i agree that we all should protect each other. we just disagree on whether the vaccines accomplish that or not. I don't think they do and the science supports this. You think they do and the science dosn't support it but there is some correlating data that does. We'll have to just agree to disagree i guess.

You have made several valid points, and I understand your thought process, we may have to agree to disagree but I have a few more points to make and a final question.

Historically vaciness have been used to combat every potential pandemic in recent memory from Eboli to H1N1. The science is clear vaccines saves lives and are largely responsible along with antibiotics for why there are 7.5 billion people on earth today opposed to 2 Billion people 100 years ago.

The current science says if you are vacinated you are 11X less likely to die from Covid than someone who unvaccinated. I could easily make an argument that seat belts do not save lives because thousands of people die each year in auto-accidents. In reality less people die, but this is harder to quantify on a scientific level outside of comparing raw numbers.

My question for you is. If I am wrong by chosing to take the vaccine what are the consequences of my actions and how could it potiential impact the citizens around me.?

If people who refuse to get vaccinated are wrong, what are the consequences of thier actions and how would it potential affect the citizens around them?

[Bronbron23]

You have made several valid points, and I understand your thought process, we may have to agree to disagree but I have a few more points to make and a final question.

Historically vaciness have been used to combat every potential pandemic in recent memory from Eboli to H1N1. The science is clear vaccines saves lives and are largely responsible along with antibiotics for why there are 7.5 billion people on earth today opposed to 2 Billion people 100 years ago.

The current science says if you are vacinated you are 11X less likely to die from Covid than someone who unvaccinated. I could easily make an argument that seat belts do not save lives because thousands of people die each year in auto-accidents. In reality less people die, but this is harder to quantify on a scientific level outside of comparing raw numbers.

My question for you is. If I am wrong by chosing to take the vaccine what are the consequences of my actions and how could it potiential impact the citizens around me.?

If people who refuse to get vaccinated are wrong, what are the consequences of thier actions and how would it potential affect the citizens around them?

To answer the question there is no right or wrong when it comes to taking the vaccine. It's not that black and white. I think people who are young, healthy or had covid have enough natural protection that they aren't significant at risk or putting other citizens around them at risk so they don't need a vaccine and shouldn't be mandated to do so. I think the higher risk groups like old, unhealthy and immune compromised are the ones dying and overwhelming the hospitals so they shoud get the vaccine because not only are they putting themselves at risk they're putting others at risk by overwhelming the hospitals.

Now as for whether or not these high risk groups should be mandated because they're contributing to an already overwhelming health care system i don't know. I find it weird how everyone thinks they're selfish but give a pass to everyone else overwhelming the hospital who most are there because of poor choices. That said at least this mandate would actually make sense so i definitely wouldn't be as apposed to it.

My feeling is if the media cdc and government were more honest and open with this virus and vaccines then alot more people would have listened instead of not trusting them because they feel like they're not yelling the truth.

[Bronbron23]

You have made several valid points, and I understand your thought process, we may have to agree to disagree but I have a few more points to make and a final question.

Historically vaciness have been used to combat every potential pandemic in recent memory from Eboli to H1N1. The science is clear vaccines saves lives and are largely responsible along with antibiotics for why there are 7.5 billion people on earth today opposed to 2 Billion people 100 years ago.

The current science says if you are vacinated you are 11X less likely to die from Covid than someone who unvaccinated. I could easily make an argument that seat belts do not save lives because thousands of people die each year in auto-accidents. In reality less people die, but this is harder to quantify on a scientific level outside of comparing raw numbers.

My question for you is. If I am wrong by chosing to take the vaccine what are the consequences of my actions and how could it potiential impact the citizens around me.?

If people who refuse to get vaccinated are wrong, what are the consequences of thier actions and how would it potential affect the citizens around them?
As to your points about vaccines. With the low risk groups i'm talking about who don't need the vaccines they aren't 11x more likely. The covid survivor group is as or more protected as the vaccinated and young people are about equal to that of the vaccinated. So if your as protected as someone with a vaccine why should you have to get vaccinated? This is where i think fear has taken over common sense because there's no logical argument to that yet pro mandate people keep telling this same lie that everyone needs to be vaccinated

[SATAN]

:oldlol:

[Bronbron23]

Do you think it's a coincidence that the infection rates for the delta variant are going down as the vaccination rates increase? How do you explain lower infection rates in cities with the highest vaccination rates? I do agree there are no clinical studies that PROVE reduced transmission rates for the vacinatted vs the unvacinatted but the overall numbers are undeniable that there is a correlation.

Covid is in the same family as the flu and is considered a respiratory infection but it causes symptoms like inflammation of vital organs, lung scarring and several other symptoms that have never been seen before. We still do not understand it's origins or wheather it's been modified in a lab so I don't think we can equate it to the flu or any other desease right now. I agree with you that all the data says young people risk of death or hospitalization is far less than the older population but we are interconnected as a soceity. I think even if 10% more lives are saved by young people taking the vacccine the reward far out weights the risk. All the young people inherited a stable society because people who came before them died a sacraficed to make this country what it is.

Thing is it's not a coincidence and correlation everywhere so assuming the correlation is more of a guess than science at this point. The science actually says there's no different in the spread when it comes to delta which all cases now.

As far as reducing it by 10% for certain groups it dosn't even suggest it would be that. Children are as protected as the vaccinated and people with natural antibodies are more protected so that dosn't apply to those groups whic is about 1/3 of the country. That would maybe apply for 20 yeay olds and above but the problem with your 10% even a few lives matter claim is that we don't do that fir anything else. We don't worry about and mandate the flu even though it kills just as many kids as covid. We don't tell car crashes even though it kills more people than covid. We don't worry about any of the dozens of things that are more dangerous than covid when it comes to young people so if were gonna apply this line of thought for covid we'd have to apply this line of thought for everything and that's no way to live man. You can't worry about the small possibility of dying all the time. Your mental health would be f*cked. The fear of covid alone has created a large increase in mental issues as it is. Tbrow another 10 things on top of that and we'd have a mental health pandemic on our hands.

Again i'm not antivax and i'm not even anti mandate. Just make it make sense.

[insight]

Thing is it's not a coincidence and correlation everywhere so assuming the correlation is more of a guess than science at this point. The science actually says there's no different in the spread when it comes to delta which all cases now.

As far as reducing it by 10% for certain groups it dosn't even suggest it would be that. Children are as protected as the vaccinated and people with natural antibodies are more protected so that dosn't apply to those groups whic is about 1/3 of the country. That would maybe apply for 20 yeay olds and above but the problem with your 10% even a few lives matter claim is that we don't do that fir anything else. We don't worry about and mandate the flu even though it kills just as many kids as covid. We don't tell car crashes even though it kills more people than covid. We don't worry about any of the dozens of things that are more dangerous than covid when it comes to young people so if were gonna apply this line of thought for covid we'd have to apply this line of thought for everything and that's no way to live man. You can't worry about the small possibility of dying all the time. Your mental health would be f*cked. The fear of covid alone has created a large increase in mental issues as it is. Tbrow another 10 things on top of that and we'd have a mental health pandemic on our hands.

Again i'm not antivax and i'm not even anti mandate. Just make it make sense.

I think you may need to do more research, alot of what you said is not factually accurate. Children already recieve dozens of vacciness, they are required to go to school, it called immuziation.

We are in the middle of a PANDEMIC, with a virus that is highly contagious and mutates. The last time we faced a similar challege worldwide was over a 100 years ago.

You really should educate yourself on what the Flu is and it's origins. Influeza was a pandemic in 1918 and killed between 50-100 Million people worldwide at a time when there were ony 2 billion people on the earth. There is an old saying, if you don't know your history you are doomed to repeat it.

[Bronbron23]

I think you may need to do more research, alot of what you said is not factually accurate. Children already recieve dozens of vacciness, they are required to go to school, it called immuziation.

We are in the middle of a PANDEMIC, with a virus that is highly contagious and mutates. The last time we faced a similar challege worldwide was over a 100 years ago.

You really should educate yourself on what the Flu is and it's origins. Influeza was a pandemic in 1918 and killed between 50-100 Million people worldwide at a time when there were ony 2 billion people on the earth. There is an old saying, if you don't know your history you are doomed to repeat it.

Nothing i said was factually inaccurate. I used the best science we have on this. Tell me exactly what i said that was not accurate?

And I've done my research and covid is different from the spanish flu in that it actually hit some younger age groups as hard or harder than the older age groups. It was much more deadly than covid. The death rate was about 4 or 5 times higher and more people died even though the population was much smaller. It made sense to vaccinate everyone for these reasons.

Your doing what everyone with your line of thinking does and you just go back to the saying "but it's a pandemic that's highly contagious" this is true but lets be rational and look at the facts once again.

Fact: covid cases in the us is 99-100% delta now and delta is infects and spreads the same in the vaxxed as it does the unvaxed. This is what the science tells us.

Fact: covid survivors have antibodies that are as good to 6 times better than the vaccine. This is what the science tells us.

Fact: children die and get hospitalized at a ridiculously low rate. They're just as protected as someone who's vaccinated.

So once again the question becomes. If the unvaccinated aren't spreading this anymore than the vaxxed and children and people with natural antibodies are as protected or more protected than the vaccinated why should they be mandated to take the vaccine?

And please don't answer with it's a pandemic or people are dying. Actually answer the question at hand.

[SaintzFury13]

Nothing i said was factually inaccurate.

You literally say something factually incorrect two sentences in.

[Bronbron23]

You literally say something factually incorrect two sentences in.

So what was it and why is it wrong?

[SaintzFury13]

So what was it and why is it wrong?

"The science says it's no different when it comes to the spread with Delta".

If you are going to make claims like this, at least back it up with something factual. Right now all science points to the Delta variant being a lot easier to catch and spread.

[Bronbron23]

"The science says it's no different when it comes to the spread with Delta".

If you are going to make claims like this, at least back it up with something factual. Right now all science points to the Delta variant being a lot easier to catch and spread.

Not true and I've backed this up numerous times in other threads but your right i don't think i did in this one so here you go. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mP9iHyj1uiU. Fauci discusses how with delta the virus in the nasal is no different than with vaccinated and unvaxed. With alpha which used to be the dominant strain virus in the nasal was considerably less in a vaxxed than it was an unvaxed and that's why the vaccines worked better at reducing spread with alpha.

Here's an interview with the cdc director speaking on this a bit more. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hhgI1IFPMXQ. Notice how she says hope and basis this off of alpha. In her defense the studies that Fauci spoke on in the other clip came out right after this but it's misleading to put it out there like that when she didn't know. So Your not the only one making this mistake. The director of the cdc and even fauci before those studies came out did the same. The media also does it every day as do most people.

[Bronbron23]

Not true and I've backed this up numerous times in other threads but your right i don't think i did in this one so here you go. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mP9iHyj1uiU. Fauci discusses how with delta the virus in the nasal is no different than with vaccinated and unvaxed. With alpha which used to be the dominant strain virus in the nasal was considerably less in a vaxxed than it was an unvaxed and that's why the vaccines worked better at reducing spread with alpha.

Here's an interview with the cdc director speaking on this a bit more. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hhgI1IFPMXQ. Notice how she says hope and basis this off of alpha. In her defense the studies that Fauci spoke on in the other clip came out right after this but it's misleading to put it out there like that when she didn't know. So Your not the only one making this mistake. The director of the cdc and even fauci before those studies came out did the same. The media also does it every day as do most people.

And you right it is easier to catch and spread delta but getting vaccinated dosn't reduce this. It just reduces your chances of dying or being hospitalized

[HBK_Kliq_2]

https://sports.yahoo.com/adrian-wojnarowski-describes-current-trade-124223101.html

I would happily take Irving on the clippers. Take anything you want in a trade outside of George\Leonard\Ibaka. Give him the season off if he likes and return next year to begin the dynasty big 3 of Irving\George\Kawhi.

Irving will never win with chokers like Harden and Durant and he probably is starting to realize that.

[Bronbron23]

https://sports.yahoo.com/adrian-wojnarowski-describes-current-trade-124223101.html

I would happily take Irving on the clippers. Take anything you want in a trade outside of George\Leonard\Ibaka. Give him the season off if he likes and return next year to begin the dynasty big 3 of Irving\George\Kawhi.

Irving will never win with chokers like Harden and Durant and he probably is starting to realize that.

You don't think they can win if they're all healthy? They were beating the champs easily before injuries.

[insight]

Nothing i said was factually inaccurate. I used the best science we have on this. Tell me exactly what i said that was not accurate?

And I've done my research and covid is different from the spanish flu in that it actually hit some younger age groups as hard or harder than the older age groups. It was much more deadly than covid. The death rate was about 4 or 5 times higher and more people died even though the population was much smaller. It made sense to vaccinate everyone for these reasons.

Your doing what everyone with your line of thinking does and you just go back to the saying "but it's a pandemic that's highly contagious" this is true but lets be rational and look at the facts once again.

Fact: covid cases in the us is 99-100% delta now and delta is infects and spreads the same in the vaxxed as it does the unvaxed. This is what the science tells us.

Fact: covid survivors have antibodies that are as good to 6 times better than the vaccine. This is what the science tells us.

Fact: children die and get hospitalized at a ridiculously low rate. They're just as protected as someone who's vaccinated.

So once again the question becomes. If the unvaccinated aren't spreading this anymore than the vaxxed and children and people with natural antibodies are as protected or more protected than the vaccinated why should they be mandated to take the vaccine?

And please don't answer with it's a pandemic or people are dying. Actually answer the question at hand.

I have listed a few things below, if you have additional crediable scienctific data that disputes this please post it.


The science actually says there's no different in the spread when it comes to delta which all cases now.


This statement is not factual. What the science has determined thus far is the delta variant carries more virus in the nasal passage than previous variants and is more contagious than previous variants. We also know there are breakout cases of Covid in fully vacinated people and these individuals have high enough levels of virus to transmit it to others. However we do not know what the conditions were when these peope contracted Covid.

The science has not concluded Non vacinated people and vacinated people contract the virus or transmit the virus at the same rate.

The data overwhelming shows vaccines reduce death, serious illness and the overall number of cases.

People do not have natural immunity prior to being exposed to a novel virus. Segments of the population have stronger immune systems which are better equipped to fight off new diseases without medical intervention. Scientist do not know why the Delta variant became more deadly in young people than previous variants and you cannot rule out the possibilty a new variant will have more deadly consequences for younger people.

The modern ventalitor was invented in the 1940's if we did not have this device today along with modern medical treatments many more people would be dying from Covid.

[Bronbron23]

I have listed a few things below, if you have additional crediable scienctific data that disputes this please post it.



This statement is not factual. What the science has determined thus far is the delta variant carries more virus in the nasal passage than previous variants and is more contagious than previous variants. We also know there are breakout cases of Covid in fully vacinated people and these individuals have high enough levels of virus to transmit it to others. However we do not know what the conditions were when these peope contracted Covid.

The science has not concluded Non vacinated people and vacinated people contract the virus or transmit the virus at the same rate.

The data overwhelming shows vaccines reduce death, serious illness and the overall number of cases.

People do not have natural immunity prior to being exposed to a novel virus. Segments of the population have stronger immune systems which are better equipped to fight off new diseases without medical intervention. Scientist do not know why the Delta variant became more deadly in young people than previous variants and you cannot rule out the possibilty a new variant will have more deadly consequences for younger people.

The modern ventalitor was invented in the 1940's if we did not have this device today along with modern medical treatments many more people would be dying from Covid.

Honestly we're gonna have to agree to disagree man. Even the cdc and fauci say the spread isn't reduced with delta. The best studies we have say the same. Your ignoring the science and using correlated data that hasn't been properly studied to eliminate possible variables. On top of that your cherry picking the correlated data because lots of places that are more vaccinated than ever also have their highest cases.

I do however agree the vaccines lower deaths and hospitalizations. Again depend on where you look cases aren't necessarily lowered by being more vaccinated.

And people do have natural immunity dude. If your young your immune system natural fights off covid better than older people. The same goes for healthy adults. If that's not natural immunity i don't know what you call it. We're pretty much just arguing semantics on that one.

As far as your point that delta is more deadly with kids it is but it's not significant enough to mandate it. Kids are still super low risk. Plus i don't know how accurate these numbers are to begin with. Here is cdc data on this https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm. note that child deaths are up with monthly cases if you look at the last few months where delta has taken over. Weirdly enough if you look at flu deaths though they're at zero so something isn't adding up. Generally about 40-60 kids die a month of the flu and now it's at zero so most of those child covid deaths were gonna happen anyway.

[BurningHammer]

And people do have natural immunity dude. If your young your immune system natural fights off covid better than older people. The same goes for healthy adults. If that's not natural immunity i don't know what you call it. We're pretty much just arguing semantics on that one.

>Letting people to contract the virus and risking them dying and/or spreading the virus further just to get the natural immunity is okay.

Alright, dude. Keep walking in circle. :ohwell:

[insight]

Honestly we're gonna have to agree to disagree man. Even the cdc and fauci say the spread isn't reduced with delta. The best studies we have say the same. Your ignoring the science and using correlated data that hasn't been properly studied to eliminate possible variables. On top of that your cherry picking the correlated data because lots of places that are more vaccinated than ever also have their highest cases.

I do however agree the vaccines lower deaths and hospitalizations. Again depend on where you look cases aren't necessarily lowered by being more vaccinated.

And people do have natural immunity dude. If your young your immune system natural fights off covid better than older people. The same goes for healthy adults. If that's not natural immunity i don't know what you call it. We're pretty much just arguing semantics on that one.

As far as your point that delta is more deadly with kids it is but it's not significant enough to mandate it. Kids are still super low risk. Plus i don't know how accurate these numbers are to begin with. Here is cdc data on this https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm. note that child deaths are up with monthly cases if you look at the last few months where delta has taken over. Weirdly enough if you look at flu deaths though they're at zero so something isn't adding up. Generally about 40-60 kids die a month of the flu and now it's at zero so most of those child covid deaths were gonna happen anyway.


We are looking at it from two different perspectives which is fine, I credit you for doing you homework and listening to opposing views. Many people are not trying to educate themselves and refuse to attempt to be objective or intellecually honest.
The fact is there is alot of gray areas and unknowns right now. I feel we have enough historicaly information and data correlations to fully implement the vaccine stategy.
You feel this is not necessary for all age groups, because young people are less likely to get seriously ill or die from Covid and mRNA vaccines are new technology. My main concern is the virus continues to circulate and mutate and we eventually face a variant more deadly or contagious than the delta variant which is vaccine resistant. This is what will happen if we don't reduce the spread drastically, and we continue to allow the virus to infect millions of people around the world.

To clarify on natural immunity when your body has never fought a virus before it has to figure out how to defeat a deadly pathogen. Once you have recovered from the virus or bacteria your body stores information on how to defeat the virus in the future. This would be natural immuntiy to a pathogen, vaccines introduce a small harmless amount of a pathogen to your immune system, so you body fights off the disease and stores how to defeat the pathogen for future exposure.

[Bronbron23]

>Letting people to contract the virus and risking them dying and/or spreading the virus further just to get the natural immunity is okay.

Alright, dude. Keep walking in circle. :ohwell:

Who in the hell said people should do that? Pay attention buddy. There are over 42 million people in the states who had covid and who now have as good or better protection than the vaccinated. I never once said people should get the virus intentionally to get antibodies. Shiiiiit you must work for cnn bruh. Don lemmon is that you?:oldlol:

[Bronbron23]

We are looking at it from two different perspectives which is fine, I credit you for doing you homework and listening to opposing views. Many people are not trying to educate themselves and refuse to attempt to be objective or intellecually honest.
The fact is there is alot of gray areas and unknowns right now. I feel we have enough historicaly information and data correlations to fully implement the vaccine stategy.
You feel this is not necessary for all age groups, because young people are less likely to get seriously ill or die from Covid and mRNA vaccines are new technology. My main concern is the virus continues to circulate and mutate and we eventually face a variant more deadly or contagious than the delta variant which is vaccine resistant. This is what will happen if we don't reduce the spread drastically, and we continue to allow the virus to infect millions of people around the world.

To clarify on natural immunity when your body has never fought a virus before it has to figure out how to defeat a deadly pathogen. Once you have recovered from the virus or bacteria your body stores information on how to defeat the virus in the future. This would be natural immuntiy to a pathogen, vaccines introduce a small harmless amount of a pathogen to your immune system, so you body fights off the disease and stores how to defeat the pathogen for future exposure.

Yeah i here ya man. We don't really agree but it's all good. It's to bad the conversation around this isn't as civil and respectful as ours was but i get it. Both sides have strong beliefs that the other is the problem and like most debates evidence can be found to support both sides so the debate usually goes nowhere.

Good debate man:cheers:

[BurningHammer]

Who in the hell said people should do that? Pay attention buddy. There are over 42 million people in the states who had covid and who now have as good or better protection than the vaccinated. I never once said people should get the virus intentionally to get antibodies. Shiiiiit you must work for cnn bruh. Don lemmon is that you?:oldlol:

You know both natural immunity and vaccine efficiency will wane over time and we will walk back to the same shit all over again, right? Let's intentionally get the virus to gain the natural immunity again in the next year to two! :cheers:

[RRR3]

You know both natural immunity and vaccine efficiency will wane over time and we will walk back to the same shit all over again, right? Let's intentionally get the virus to gain the natural immunity again in the next year to two! :cheers:
:lol

[Bronbron23]

You know both natural immunity and vaccine efficiency will wane over time and we will walk back to the same shit all over again, right? Let's intentionally get the virus to gain the natural immunity again in the next year to two! :cheers:

Yeah i Don't think there's any studies on how long natural immunity lasts for but the vaccines look like it's 6 months or so. Natural immunity is better so it should be longer than that. I think the waning immunity issue is overblown because this virus is gonna continue running through us regardless. They estimated over half the population already had covid and that was before delta. With the way delta spreads it won't be long till its almost everyone and everytime you get it you get more immunity so it should be fine.

[tpols]

In Australia right now, where kyrie was born, you're not even allowed outside to sit on a bench in the park. They are on strict COVID lockdown despite minimal deaths. Can only go outside for food, exercise or pharmacy or police will approach you.


https://youtu.be/PrTa1KNGscU

Read the comments and remember....

This isn't about freedom.

[tontoz]

In Australia right now, where kyrie was born, you're not even allowed outside to sit on a bench in the park. They are on strict COVID lockdown despite minimal deaths. Can only go outside for food, exercise or pharmacy or police will approach you.


https://youtu.be/PrTa1KNGscU

Read the comments and remember....

This isn't about freedom.



Deaths per 1 million residents

USA 2114
Australia 100

They've had only 1500 deaths since the pandemic began. If they had our death rate they would have 54,500 deaths. Obviously their measures are extreme and wouldn't fly here but if the goal is to save lives it is working.

[SATAN]

In Australia right now, where kyrie was born, you're not even allowed outside to sit on a bench in the park. They are on strict COVID lockdown despite minimal deaths. Can only go outside for food, exercise or pharmacy or police will approach you.


https://youtu.be/PrTa1KNGscU

Read the comments and remember....

This isn't about freedom.

lol Where are you? Most of the country is practically normal and has been for a long time. Too bad NSW decided we all must get sick though. :facepalm