CNN sends Dr. Sanjay Gupta over to talk to Joe Rogan

[AirBonner]

Basically to pump up that vax love. Joe wasn’t having any of it lol. Also it’s funny how he was back pedaling about the horse de-wormer. Joe is officially bigger than cnn :biggums::oldlol::pimp:

https://youtu.be/IaT0WOwEag4

[TheMan]

Bigger than CNN? Yes, a bigger idiot.

[AirBonner]

Bigger than CNN? Yes, a bigger idiot.

How so? Being skeptical on something unknown is better than being full of shit

[Patrick Chewing]

CNN exposed once again for lying and fabricating stories, but those under their spell won't change their opinion of it. Rogan does have a big audience though. Hopefully seeing this fraud Sanjay Gupta squirm in his chair is enough to move the needle.

[Bronbron23]

Bigger than CNN? Yes, a bigger idiot.

Dude rogan mopped the floor with him. Must hurt for all these brainwashed pro vaxxers who keep saying trust the doctors not youtube. A youtuber just crushed a famous doctor. Had that muthfaka stuttering worse than rrrrr3

[rawimpact]

Bigger than CNN? Yes, a bigger idiot.

Joe's podcasts are awesome.

Don't take his opposing views personally... its just his opinion.

[baudkarma]

How so? Being skeptical on something unknown is better than being full of shit

Skepticism implies that the person will change their mind if a sufficient amount of compelling evidence is offered. Anti-vaxxers are not skeptical. There totally and utterly convinced that they are correct, and there is nothing anybody can say that will convince them otherwise. It's really a religion at this point. The calm serenity that they're totally right, and the non-stop preaching to try and convert others to their point of view.

[Bronbron23]

Skepticism implies that the person will change their mind if a sufficient amount of compelling evidence is offered. Anti-vaxxers are not skeptical. There totally and utterly convinced that they are correct, and there is nothing anybody can say that will convince them otherwise. It's really a religion at this point. The calm serenity that they're totally right, and the non-stop preaching to try and convert others to their point of view.

It's so true. It dosnt matter how much scientific evidence you give them that proves that they're wrong they just ignore it and get defensive and more irrational. It's the most stubborn shit I've ever seen. They'd rather watch the world burn before they'd admit they're wrong.

[fsvr54]

Covid isn't that dangerous unless you're obese or elderly.

[tontoz]

I listened to it. I saw someone post a story from the UK that was similar to the study Rogan was talking about from the guardian. The one that said myocarditis was 6 times more likely from the vaccine for young people blah blah.

I think it was Manny who posted the study which was easy to debunk. The problem was so obvious it was embarrassing. They were comparing myocarditis cases from the vaccine to hospitalizations from covid.

Problem was they were looking at covid cases that resulted in hospital stays of 7 days or more which will obviously be a very small number of the total cases. With the vaccine cases there was no mention of whether they were admitted to the hospital at all.

But the sensationalized headline is that kids are 6 times more likely to get myocarditis than to be hospitalized from covid. The doctor would have picked the article apart if he had the.chance to look at it prior to the interview.

[AirBonner]

It's so true. It dosnt matter how much scientific evidence you give them that proves that they're wrong they just ignore it and get defensive and more irrational. It's the most stubborn shit I've ever seen. They'd rather watch the world burn before they'd admit they're wrong.
The science isn’t conclusive. The fact is people are getting covid with and without the vax. But the real study should be the antibodies as a result from covid. They don’t want to tell you that the immunity from getting covid is better than the shot itself

[bladefd]

The science isn’t conclusive. The fact is people are getting covid with and without the vax. But the real study should be the antibodies as a result from covid. They don’t want to tell you that the immunity from getting covid is better than the shot itself

What you don't want to admit is that natural immunity requires you to get COVID in the first place. Even natural immunity wanes after some months so even that is not a full-proof solution.

[fsvr54]

Covid isn't serious

[AirBonner]

What you don't want to admit is that natural immunity requires you to get COVID in the first place. Even natural immunity wanes after some months so even that is not a full-proof solution.

Same death rate as the flu and infact the life expectancy of elderly is better with covid compared to the flu

[Patrick Chewing]

What you don't want to admit is that natural immunity requires you to get COVID in the first place. Even natural immunity wanes after some months so even that is not a full-proof solution.

Huh? It's been proven that natural immunity is better than a vaccine.

[Off the Court]

Same death rate as the flu and infact the life expectancy of elderly is better with covid compared to the flu
An average flu year kills 30,000 people in the US. We've had 700,000 covid deaths.

[fsvr54]

You can't seriously believe they haven't pumped the numbers. There's so much evidence.

[outofstomach]

Skepticism implies that the person will change their mind if a sufficient amount of compelling evidence is offered. Anti-vaxxers are not skeptical. There totally and utterly convinced that they are correct, and there is nothing anybody can say that will convince them otherwise. It's really a religion at this point. The calm serenity that they're totally right, and the non-stop preaching to try and convert others to their point of view.
right on the money

[Dr. Lemon]

My fellow colleague, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, is a true visionary in the field of neurobiology.

He deserves more recognition for all of his contributions.

[RoseCity07]

Joe Rogan is a a joke. Have not listened once since he went to Spotify. You know they thought that deal was gonna pay off lol. Biggest fail by Spotify.

[AirBonner]

Joe Rogan is a a joke. Have not listened once since he went to Spotify. You know they thought that deal was gonna pay off lol. Biggest fail by Spotify.

Pretty sure his show is very successful. I can’t think of a bigger more followed podcast

[Axe]

The science isn’t conclusive. The fact is people are getting covid with and without the vax. But the real study should be the antibodies as a result from covid. They don’t want to tell you that the immunity from getting covid is better than the shot itself
How about having immunity from both the body system and the shot?

[TheMan]

Dude rogan mopped the floor with him. Must hurt for all these brainwashed pro vaxxers who keep saying trust the doctors not youtube. A youtuber just crushed a famous doctor. Had that muthfaka stuttering worse than rrrrr3
I'm not specifically calling Rogan an idiot for his covid19 stance but just in general.

[Patrick Chewing]

Pretty sure his show is very successful. I can’t think of a bigger more followed podcast

These vaccine junkies say the craziest things.

[Bronbron23]

The science isn’t conclusive. The fact is people are getting covid with and without the vax. But the real study should be the antibodies as a result from covid. They don’t want to tell you that the immunity from getting covid is better than the shot itself

Yeah true this is why so many people aren't trusting the cdc and government. Plus the media is flat out lying

[Bronbron23]

I'm not specifically calling Rogan an idiot for his covid19 stance but just in general.

He may not be tge smartest guy in the world but I don't know if i'd call him an idiot. He actually holds his own against alot of intelligent people that come on his show. At the end of the day though he's a fighter, comedian and a youtuber basically. He admits he's not an expert on most said topics.

[tontoz]

To be fair Rogan never claims to be an expert on anything other than fitness, martial arts, and comedy. He routinely claims to be an idiot even though he isn't really an idiot, he just isn't on the same level as a lot of his guests.

He also said during the podcast that he isn't an anti vaxxer. He was actually planning on getting the vaccine but wasnt able to due to scheduling conflicts. He scheduled to get it on a later date then the J&J vaccine got pulled and a couple of people he knew had adverse reactions to the vaccines which made him hesitant.

[Bronbron23]

To be fair Rogan never claims to be an expert on anything other than fitness, martial arts, and comedy. He routinely claims to be an idiot even though he isn't really an idiot, he just isn't on the same level as a lot of his guests.

He also said during the podcast that he isn't an anti vaxxer. He was actually planning on getting the vaccine but wasnt able to due to scheduling conflicts. He scheduled to get it on a later date then the J&J vaccine got pulled and a couple of people he knew had adverse reactions to the vaccines which made him hesitant.

Good post. I think alot of people who haven't got the vaccine are of the mindset of rogan or Jonathan Issac. There's definitely some nut cases also but i think most so called "antivaxers" aren't antivax at all. They're just hesitant for legit reasons like side effects, the uncertainty of the vaccines long term or not feeling like they need it because they're in a very low risk group of people.

[Chick Stern]

Same death rate as the flu and infact the life expectancy of elderly is better with covid compared to the flu

COVID-19 was the No. 1 killer of Americans age 35 to 54 last month, and No. 2 overall

https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1448502166943985666

and as far as Ivermectin - it IS used as a horse dewormer, and the largest valid study showed that it had “no effect whatsoever” on the disease.

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-08-11/ivermectin-no-effect-covid

[AirBonner]

COVID-19 was the No. 1 killer of Americans age 35 to 54 last month, and No. 2 overall

https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1448502166943985666

and as far as Ivermectin - it IS used as a horse dewormer, and the largest valid study showed that it had “no effect whatsoever” on the disease.

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-08-11/ivermectin-no-effect-covid

Are they still counting heart disease deaths with patients that have covid a covid death?

[AirBonner]

Also ivermectin has been used on hundreds of millions of people with success to fight covid. Now take your la times nazi paper and shove it

[tontoz]

Also ivermectin has been used on hundreds of millions of people with success to fight covid. Now take your la times nazi paper and shove it





Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say

But Brazilians quickly discovered — through heart-wrenching personal experience — the limits of treating COVID-19 with ivermectin. Brazil suffered some of its worst death rates yet in late 2020 and early 2021, even in heavily ivermectin-dosed areas, as the more transmissible P1, or Gamma, variant spread quickly across the country.

"Look at what happened in Brazil," Natália Taschner, a Brazilian microbiologist and research scholar at Columbia University in New York, said. "Then wonder: If this drug worked, would Brazil be in such bad shape?"

The ivermectin strategy was once so popular in Brazil that entire towns tried it out. (Ivermectin is cheap and available in pharmacies across the country.)

In July 2020, ivermectin was available for free to all residents of Itajaí, to the tune of about $826,000 in government spending. The mayor of Itajaí, the physician Volnei Morastoni, said at that time that ivermectin was but "one more weapon in our war against the coronavirus."

As infection rates soared, some people were taking excessively high doses of the medicine every day, hoping to stave off COVID-19, but in a few rare cases that move prompted liver failure.

Other patients were unknowingly given the "kit" drugs by doctors in private hospitals instead of more standard treatments — and some of them died.

Ivermectin "prescription practices didn't upend the tragedy of COVID here in Brazil in terms of preventing infections, preventing hospitalizations, and then preventing deaths," said Dr. Kevan Akrami, an infectious-disease and critical-care physician working in the northeastern city of Salvador. "Whether somebody was taking it or not didn't seem to have any impact on whether or not they got hospitalized or ended up dying from their COVID infection."


https://www.businessinsider.com/brazil-tragic-ivermectin-for-covid-frenzy-warning-to-us-experts-2021-9

[ArbitraryWater]

Bigger than CNN? Yes, a bigger idiot.

:oldlol:


poor manboy

[1987_Lakers]

Saw more clips, Rogan destroyed him and CNN. :oldlol:

[tontoz]

The CNN horse dewormer thing is pretty bad. The people making those claims were either ignorant or lying. Not sure which is worse really.

If they are ignorant and really think that a guy in Joe's position would take horse dewormer (which a lot of people have done) then that is really low IQ. In Joe's youtube clip talking about Ivermectin he is clearly talking about the treatments he is taking at the direction of his doctor. If they actually believe that Joe is taking horse dewormer that is really low IQ.

Problem is even if they don't believe that, and are just lying, that is still low IQ. They know Joe has a huge following. They know he is going to respond and make them look like liars, idiots, or both. What was the point? What were they trying to accomplish?

I don't get it.

[jstern]

It's amazing how easy it is for the media to manipulate society. You have all these studies, papers, showing that Ivermectin has had good success against Covid. "But, but, the business insider said that somebody in Brazil took it but they still died." That's all it takes. A shit bias article by a reporter, rather than looking at studies. Reporters that have constantly lied about this whole Covid thing (and much more). With an agenda. Brazil discovered the horrors of treating Covid with Ivermectin. No numbers, break down. Who took it, the success rate, etc.

Then you have other, I don't mean to be rude, but morons, who just eat up CNN and go, "He took a horse dewormer, he took a horse dewormer." Like I would hate to be such a fool. You have a very real human medicine, won the Nobel prize as a human medicine, over 4 billion doses given to humans. The criminals at CNN know this, but go, "How can we get these idiots to hate this Ivermectin? I know, we'll call it a horse dewormer." Completely love being manipulated.

You have all these countries looking into Ivermectin for a reason. A sane person might consider that there's something to it. But no, no, CNN says it's a dewormer, there's no way that it can do anything else.

I think it's Fultznation Rize who calls these guys beta boys.

[Chick Stern]

Also ivermectin has been used on hundreds of millions of people with success to fight covid. Now take your la times nazi paper and shove it
“hundreds of millions of people”?
Awesome!
Can you provide the link to the empirical evidence supporting your factual and in no way based on conjecture statement?

https://www.statnews.com/2021/08/25/ivermectin-for-covid-19-abundance-of-hype-dearth-of-evidence/

[tontoz]

It's amazing how easy it is for the media to manipulate society. You have all these studies, papers, showing that Ivermectin has had good success against Covid. "But, but, the business insider said that somebody in Brazil took it but they still died." That's all it takes. A shit bias article by a reporter, rather than looking at studies. Reporters that have constantly lied about this whole Covid thing (and much more). With an agenda. Brazil discovered the horrors of treating Covid with Ivermectin. No numbers, break down. Who took it, the success rate, etc.

Then you have other, I don't mean to be rude, but morons, who just eat up CNN and go, "He took a horse dewormer, he took a horse dewormer." Like I would hate to be such a fool. You have a very real human medicine, won the Nobel prize as a human medicine, over 4 billion doses given to humans. The criminals at CNN know this, but go, "How can we get these idiots to hate this Ivermectin? I know, we'll call it a horse dewormer." Completely love being manipulated.

You have all these countries looking into Ivermectin for a reason. A sane person might consider that there's something to it. But no, no, CNN says it's a dewormer, there's no way that it can do anything else.

I think it's Fultznation Rize who calls these guys beta boys.


There are plenty of stories coming from Brazil. Take your pick. They are all saying the same thing.


They were using Ivermectin in India then a lot of states in India suddenly stopped using it. The primary Ivermectin fanboy Pistonsfan mentioned this in one of his posts. When i asked him why these states in India suddenly stopped using it even though it was working he vanished.

Why would they stop using it if it was working?

[jstern]

There are plenty of stories coming from Brazil. Take your pick. They are all saying the same thing.


They were using Ivermectin in India then a lot of states in India suddenly stopped using it. The primary Ivermectin fanboy Pistonsfan mentioned this in one of his posts. When i asked him why these states in India suddenly stopped using it even though it was working he vanished.

Why would they stop using it if it was working?

One thing that I've thoroughly learned the last year or so is how corrupt and shameless government and the media are. Pure corruption that reaches very deep. So you telling me that India suddenly stopped using Ivermectin has like zero effect. Instead of accepting the fact with all my heart, I question it. And that's actually a good thing. Especially with Ivermectin, where you have an obvious, for all to see, campaign against it. Perhaps it's just too much money to be made by big pharma. After all, Ivermectin being effective would have rendered the vaccines illegal.

All I care is about the potential, and looking into that potential.

https://cms.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/6111a3f98b7fb.image_.jpg

[tontoz]

Another antivaxer who cant read. Not a surprise.

First of all i didn't say India did or didn't use ivermectin. I was just relaying a post from Ivermectin fanboy Pistonfan. Secondly he didn't say India stopped using ivermectin he said some states stopped using it. Why would they suddenly stop using it if it was working? I haven't looked into the situation at India at all i am just asking the question.

So all the governments around the world are corrupt and part of the conspiracy? All the hospitals around the country reporting that 90%+ of their covid patients as unvaxed are part of the conspiracy? All the state governments are also part of the conspiracy?

The only people who aren't part of the conspiracy are the people in the antivax echo chamber. :whatever:

[tpols]

Dr. Tontoz.

:roll:

He still at it.

[fsvr54]

My whole family took ivermeticin early this year and none of us have ever had covid and are healthy as oxes.

[Honor Boost]

Rogan has Palumboism

[Bronbron23]

:oldlol:


poor manboy

Clearly u didn't watch. Rogan definitely got the best of him so if rogans an idiot what does that make an expert doctor?

[Bronbron23]

Dr. Tontoz.

:roll:

He still at it.

Don't pay no mind to that guy. It dosnt matter how much proof you give him he just ignores it. I literally gave him video evidence of fauci saying when it comes to delta the vaccinated spread the virus as much as the unvaccinated and he just straight up ignored it and said he didn't say it.

Jesus could come down and say this whole covid thing is a massive overreaction and he would still argue the shit

[tontoz]

Don't pay no mind to that guy. It dosnt matter how much proof you give him he just ignores it. I literally gave him video evidence of fauci saying when it comes to delta the vaccinated spread the virus as much as the unvaccinated and he just straight up ignored it and said he didn't say it.

Jesus could come down and say this whole covid thing is a massive overreaction and he would still argue the shit


No you didn't.

Fauci didn't even mention Delta in the vids you posted but of course you are too dumb to notice something like that.

I was the one who posted the video where fauci said vaxed people spread Delta as much as unvaxed. You claimed you couldn't see the.vid. I even posted the interview which came out on July 30.

You posted vids where you claimed Fauci lied about Delta even though he never even mentioned Delta in those vids.

:roll:

[Chick Stern]

Also ivermectin has been used on hundreds of millions of people with success to fight covid. Now take your la times nazi paper and shove it


“hundreds of millions of people”?
Awesome!
Can you provide the link to the empirical evidence supporting your factual and in no way based on conjecture statement?

https://www.statnews.com/2021/08/25/ivermectin-for-covid-19-abundance-of-hype-dearth-of-evidence/

Boner?

[Bronbron23]

No you didn't.

Fauci didn't even mention Delta in the vids you posted but of course you are too dumb to notice something like that.

I was the one who posted the video where fauci said vaxed people spread Delta as much as unvaxed. You claimed you couldn't see the.vid. I even posted the interview which came out on July 30.

You posted vids where you claimed Fauci lied about Delta even though he never even mentioned Delta in those vids.

:roll:

Honestly i don't remember. It was a long ass convo but it's irrelevant anyway because it looks like your conceding that the mandatory vaccines are dumb right? You spent a whole long ass thread arguing with all the "nut job antivaxers" on why the mandates are good and make sense only to send a video proving how this isn't true.

So i'll ask you again because i'm pretty sure you didn't answer my question when i initially asked. If you acknowledge the vaccines don't reduce the spread and we know covid survivors and young people are very low risk why are you advocating for mandatory vaccines for everyone when a large part of the population don't need them?

And don't say overwhelming hospitals because those same low risk groups aren't the ones overwhelming the hospitals.

[tontoz]

Honestly i don't remember. It was a long ass convo but it's irrelevant anyway because it looks like your conceding that the mandatory vaccines are dumb right? You spent a whole long ass thread arguing with all the "nut job antivaxers" on why the mandates are good and make sense only to send a video proving how this isn't true.

So i'll ask you again because i'm pretty sure you didn't answer my question when i initially asked. If you acknowledge the vaccines don't reduce the spread and we know covid survivors and young people are very low risk why are you advocating for mandatory vaccines for everyone when a large part of the population don't need them?

And don't say overwhelming hospitals because those same low risk groups aren't the ones overwhelming the hospitals.


Once again you show your low IQ.

The video I posted said that the viral load was basically the same for vaxed and unvaxed with Delta, meaning Delta is equally contagious for vaxed and unvaxed.

That doesn't change the fact that.the.vaccines are still very effective at preventing severe outcomes from both variants. It also doesn't change the fact that vaxed people are much less likely to transmit the original COVID.

COVID was the leading cause of death in September for people 35-54 in spite of the fact that the.vaccines are so effective at preventing death.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-us/

The CEO from Delta airlines said that COVID hospital stays cost the.company $50k on average. I don't.see antivaxers volunteering to pay those costs.

[Bronbron23]

Once again you show your low IQ.

The video I posted said that the viral load was basically the same for vaxed and unvaxed with Delta, meaning Delta is equally contagious for vaxed and unvaxed.

That doesn't change the fact that.the.vaccines are still very effective at preventing severe outcomes from both variants. It also doesn't change the fact that vaxed people are much less likely to transmit the original COVID.

COVID was the leading cause of death in September for people 35-54 in spite of the fact that the.vaccines are so effective at preventing death.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-us/

The CEO from Delta airlines said that COVID hospital stays cost the.company $50k on average. I don't.see antivaxers volunteering to pay those costs.

Yes the vaccines are great for heavily reducing the deaths and hospitalizations of the old, unhealthy and immune compromised but it's not necessary for the low risk groups so that's not a good argument for mandates.

As for your second argument there is no original covid dude. How can i take you seriously with statements like this.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/08/delta-variant-update-98-of-covid-cases-in-us-are-from-the-strain.html%3foutputType=amp

As far as hospital costs again the low risk groups aren't the ones overwhelming the hospitals so that argument dosn't fly either.

Theirs no good argument for mandates man. Just admit it.

[tontoz]

Yes the vaccines are great for heavily reducing the deaths and hospitalizations of the old, unhealthy and immune compromised but it's not necessary for the low risk groups so that's not a good argument for mandates.

As for your second argument there is no original covid dude. How can i take you seriously with statements like this.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/08/delta-variant-update-98-of-covid-cases-in-us-are-from-the-strain.html%3foutputType=amp

As far as hospital costs again the low risk groups aren't the ones overwhelming the hospitals so that argument dosn't fly either.

Theirs no good argument for mandates man. Just admit it.

Right the leading cause of death 35-54 isn't a good reason for mandates. :facepalm

And why are there so few cases of the original COVID? Because of the vaccines.

Since you have proven to be low IQ let me spell it out for you. A lot of those people dying day after day didn't.think they were at risk of dying from COVID. They didn't think " I am at high risk from COVID but I won't take the shots anyway." They thought exactly like you.

Companies aren't going to keep paying for the hospital stays of unvaxed people. That is why the vaccines will be mandatory across the country in corporate America.

Delta airlines took a different avenue. They said they would charge people an extra $200 per month to remain unvaccinated starting in November. Sure enough people started getting vaxed quickly.

Antivaxers love to talk about their freedom but they also want freedom from consequences. I would love to see companies say they will charge a $20k deductible for COVID hospital stays of unvaccinated people. Let's see people put their money where their mouth is

[Bronbron23]

Right the leading cause of death 35-54 isn't a good reason for mandates. :facepalm

And why are there so few cases of the original COVID? Because of the vaccines.

Since you have proven to be low IQ let me spell it out for you. A lot of those people dying day after day didn't.think they were at risk of dying from COVID. They didn't think " I am at high risk from COVID but I won't take the shots anyway." They thought exactly like you.

Companies aren't going to keep paying for the hospital stays of unvaxed people. That is why the vaccines will be mandatory across the country in corporate America.

Delta airlines took a different avenue. They said they would charge people an extra $200 per month to remain unvaccinated starting in November. Sure enough people started getting vaxed quickly.

Antivaxers love to talk about their freedom but they also want freedom from consequences. I would love to see companies say they will charge a $20k deductible for COVID hospital stays of unvaccinated people. Let's see people put their money where their mouth is

It be a good reason to mandate that particular age group maybe. It dosn't make sense to mandate those younger or those who had covid who are just as protected as the vaccinated.

And your so bumb the vaccines didn't stop alpha dummy. Alpha didn't disappear because of the vaccine and then all of a sudden delta came along. There were millions of cases of alpha still and alpha mutated into delta. Holy shit i can't believe you actually said that.

And i can't speek for antivaxers freedom beliefs because I'm not an antivaxer and my points have nothing to do with freedom and everything to do with common sense. Just make it make sense. Tell me why low risk groups who aren't at significant risk and who aren't putting others at anymore risk than the vaccinated should have to get a vaccine. Nobody can answer this simple question. They just bring up the same argument about spreading or hospitalization that i've clearly proved wrong

[tontoz]

It be a good reason to mandate that particular age group maybe. It dosn't make sense to mandate those younger or those who had covid who are just as protected as the vaccinated.

And your so bumb the vaccines didn't stop alpha dummy. Alpha didn't disappear because of the vaccine and then all of a sudden delta came along. There were millions of cases of alpha still and alpha mutated into delta. Holy shit i can't believe you actually said that.

And i can't speek for antivaxers freedom beliefs because I'm not an antivaxer and my points have nothing to do with freedom and everything to do with common sense. Just make it make sense. Tell me why low risk groups who aren't at significant risk and who aren't putting others at anymore risk than the vaccinated should have to get a vaccine. Nobody can answer this simple question. They just bring up the same argument about spreading or hospitalization that i've clearly proved wrong


Lol such a dumbass. Alpha mutated into Delta in India, then Delta spread to the rest of the world eventually.

Do you think alpha suddenly became Delta all over the world?

:roll:

The mutation happened in a specific place, then started spreading.

The vaccines absolutely shut down alpha. That is why the mask mandates were lifted a few months ago, because vaccinated people weren't spreading Alpha.

Who gets to define who is low risk and who isn't? Someone has to draw that imaginary line which isn't possible. Some people in the 20s might be higher risk than people in their 40s due to poor health.

You haven't proven anything wrong. In fact you provided a link to the CDC monthly charts that show covid deaths going up among young people

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/g195/tontoz/Screenshot_2021-09-25_7.54.55_PM.png

This chart is showing COVID deaths with no other conditions. Deaths under 54 are higher in August and September than they were in January.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/g195/tontoz/Screenshot_2021-09-25_7.44.40_PM.png

[Bronbron23]

Lol such a dumbass. Alpha mutated into Delta in India, then Delta spread to the rest of the world eventually.

Do you think alpha suddenly became Delta all over the world?

:roll:

The mutation happened in a specific place, then started spreading.

The vaccines absolutely shut down alpha. That is why the mask mandates were lifted a few months ago, because vaccinated people weren't spreading Alpha.

Who gets to define who is low risk and who isn't? Someone has to draw that imaginary line which isn't possible. Some people in the 20s might be higher risk than people in their 40s due to poor health.

You haven't proven anything wrong. In fact you provided a link to the CDC monthly charts that show covid deaths going up among young people

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/g195/tontoz/Screenshot_2021-09-25_7.54.55_PM.png

Yes dude clearly it spread also. It also was mutating. Again it's a moot point on your part because even if it did happen like that alpha isn't delta. The vaccines were effective in reducing transmission with alpha but they don't in delta so i don't even know whay you brought it up. If there was a vaccine that was effective against the spread than you'd have an argument because the spread argument is a good one but as of yet there is no such vaccine.

And i don't draw the line on whos low risk science and the numbers do. According to the cdc young people are extremely low risk despite the slight increase you highlighted. Covid survivors are also low risk based on our best studies.

Again there's no rational reason to vaccinate these low risk groups

[tontoz]

Yes dude clearly it spread also. It also was mutating. Again it's a moot point on your part because even if it did happen like that alpha isn't delta. The vaccines were effective in reducing transmission with alpha but they don't in delta so i don't even know whay you brought it up. If there was a vaccine that was effective against the spread than you'd have an argument because the spread argument is a good one but as of yet there is no such vaccine.

And i don't draw the line on whos low risk science and the numbers do. According to the cdc young people are extremely low risk despite the slight increase you highlighted. Covid survivors are also low risk based on our best studies.

Again there's no rational reason to vaccinate these low risk groups


I always knew you were a dumbass but frankly I am amazed at just how dumb you are.

A mutation by definition is a random, rare event. Think about how many times the virus has replicated since the pandemic began. How many variants have we had? Just a handful.

The idea that a virus would spontaneously mutate the.exact same way in different locations is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

Without the vaccines we would be getting hammered by alpha and Delta.



Again where do we draw the line between who should be vaxed and who shouldn't?

If you had to pay for the hospital bills of all these unvaxed people you would be singing a different tune. Why don't you start a GoFundMe page to pay for hospital stays for the unvaxed? How much would you contribute?

[Bronbron23]

I always knew you were a dumbass but frankly I am amazed at just how dumb you are.

A mutation by definition is a random, rare event. Think about how many times the virus has replicated since the pandemic began. How many variants have we had? Just a handful.

The idea that a virus would spontaneously mutate the.exact same way in different locations is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

Without the vaccines we would be getting hammered by alpha and Delta.



Again where do we draw the line between who should be vaxed and who shouldn't?

If you had to pay for the hospital bills of all these unvaxed people you would be singing a different tune. Why don't you start a GoFundMe page to pay for hospital stays for the unvaxed? How much would you contribute?

Again.........it's irrelevant because delta and alpha are different when it comes to spread.

And yes of course we'd be getting hit harder without the vaccines but again i'm not arguing they don't work in lowering deaths and hospitalizations. I'm only arguing not everyone needs it. Lots of people do though.

And again i Don't draw the line facts and science do. Whoever is a low risk dosn't need to be vaccinated. They can get vaccinated if they want to but mandating them makes no sense whatsoever. Children are just as protected as the vaccinated and covid survivors are just protected if not more protected so what possible reason could there be to mandate them getting vaccinated? You can't come up with one because they aren't spreading covid anymore than the vaxxed and they aren't being hospitalized anymore than the vaxxed so the spread and overwhelming hospitals dosn't work. Somehow though your just too stubborn to acknowledge it. Your so brainwashed and scared you keep talking the same talking points that dosn't answer the question. "People are dying" or the "the hospitals are overwhelmed"

[Bronbron23]

I always knew you were a dumbass but frankly I am amazed at just how dumb you are.

A mutation by definition is a random, rare event. Think about how many times the virus has replicated since the pandemic began. How many variants have we had? Just a handful.

The idea that a virus would spontaneously mutate the.exact same way in different locations is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

Without the vaccines we would be getting hammered by alpha and Delta.



Again where do we draw the line between who should be vaxed and who shouldn't?

If you had to pay for the hospital bills of all these unvaxed people you would be singing a different tune. Why don't you start a GoFundMe page to pay for hospital stays for the unvaxed? How much would you contribute?

Just answer this simple question with an answer that actually addresses the question.

If the vaccine dosn't reduce the spread and young people and people with antibodies are just as protected as the vaccinated why should they have to take it?

And don't say hospitalizations because they aren't at any more risk than the vaccinated and don't say spread or i'll freak the **** out lol

[tontoz]

Just answer this simple question with an answer that actually addresses the question.

If the vaccine dosn't reduce the spread and young people and people with antibodies are just as protected as the vaccinated why should they have to take it?

And don't say hospitalizations because they aren't at any more risk than the vaccinated and don't say spread or i'll freak the **** out lol

Again you are missing the fact that the vaccines have reduced the spread of alpha which it was designed for. Alpha is pretty much a non factor now specifically because of the vaccines. I am sure they are working right now on vaccines targeting Delta.

You can't draw the line between who should be vaxed and who shouldn't because it isn't possible. You would have to take into account age and health on a case by case basis. Even if it was possible there is no way to get everyone to agree.

But let's assume for the sake of argument that we were able to draw a definite line and were able to get everyone to agree on that line. Companies and the government wouldn't use it since it would be discrimination based on age.

[Bronbron23]

Again you are missing the fact that the vaccines have reduced the spread of alpha which it was designed for. Alpha is pretty much a non factor now specifically because of the vaccines. I am sure they are working right now on vaccines targeting Delta.

You can't draw the line between who should be vaxed and who shouldn't because it isn't possible. You would have to take into account age and health on a case by case basis. Even if it was possible there is no way to get everyone to agree.

But let's assume for the sake of argument that we were able to draw a definite line and were able to get everyone to agree on that line. Companies and the government wouldn't use it since it would be discrimination based on age.

Alpha dosn't matter though. There's only delta left. For argument sake if it did that's great. If they did the same for delta i'd be singing a different tune but they don't. I'm not against mandates. My argument isn't a freedom of choice one. I think the freedom of choice argument sucks. We aren't free. We give up all kinds of freedoms. I'm against the mandates for everyone because it dosn't make sense.

And i can draw the line because line is where common sense is at. If you had covid your good. If your not an adult your good. That alone is probably 30% of the population. Mandating a child to take a vaccine for covid is like mandating a child to should take heart medication for heart disease. This makes zero sense but if you want to do it go for it. Just don't mandate it. Same with covid patients. We know who had covid and we know who's under 20 or whatever age where the risk is still crazy low.

They've honestly done a shit job from the start of this. If they had of been totally honest and transparent i bet alot of the people who need it but aren't getting it would of got it. Instead they lied or at the very least were incompetent to the point where alot of people question them and dont trust them.

[tontoz]

Alpha dosn't matter though. There's only delta left. For argument sake if it did that's great. If they did the same for delta i'd be singing a different tune but they don't. I'm not against mandates. My argument isn't a freedom of choice one. I think the freedom of choice argument sucks. We aren't free. We give up all kinds of freedoms. I'm against the mandates for everyone because it dosn't make sense.

And i can draw the line because line is where common sense is at. If you had covid your good. If your not an adult your good. That alone is probably 30% of the population. Mandating a child to take a vaccine for covid is like mandating a child to should take heart medication for heart disease. This makes zero sense but if you want to do it go for it. Just don't mandate it. Same with covid patients. We know who had covid and we know who's under 20 or whatever age where the risk is still crazy low.

They've honestly done a shit job from the start of this. If they had of been totally honest and transparent i bet alot of the people who need it but aren't getting it would of got it. Instead they lied or at the very least were incompetent to the point where alot of people question them and dont trust them.


Once again you show you aren't very good at this. First of all not all covid cases are the same. Different people react differently and have a different immune response. Antibody levels vary widely, not to mention the fact that they wane over time.

If someone had covid a year ago their immunity might be pretty marginal.

And the government/corporate workforce is comprised almost entirely of adults.

And let's not forget that the virus started in China and we were misled from the jump by WHO since they are in China's pocket.

[Bronbron23]

Once again you show you aren't very good at this. First of all not all covid cases are the same. Different people react differently and have a different immune response. Antibody levels vary widely, not to mention the fact that they wane over time.

If someone had covid a year ago their immunity might be pretty marginal.

And the government/corporate workforce is comprised almost entirely of adults.

And let's not forget that the virus started in China and we were misled from the jump by WHO since they are in China's pocket.

Not just who, our govt is also in china's pocket so i'm not sure how were supposed to trust any of this info in that instance but for now it's all we have to go by.

As far as everyone being different that's obvious but this virus hits different age groups way harder than others. Children aren't a threat. They make up less than 1% of hospitalizations so they aren't overwhelming the hospitals and they aren't spreading covid anymore than the vaccinated.

As far antibodies. Isreal just did a study of hundreds of thousands of people who had covid and they all had anywhere from equal to 6 times more protection than the vaccinated. That's the best science we have on this. This group don't need the vaccine.

These 2 groups at the very least we should be able to agree don't need the vaccine. People like you say trust the science and that's what the science says. So does common sense btw.

As far young adults and middle aged you act like there's no rhyme or reaso why some get hit hard and some don't. Almost all of them are unhealthy. I ugree that can still be a tricky thing in some cases because someone could have an underlying issue they don't know about so i'd be willing to concede everybody over a certain age should be vaccinated as long as that age group is a significant risk enough to where there being hospitalized at a high enough rate to where they're contributing to the hospital being overwhelmed. I don't know if 20-30 is enough of a risk or not. I'd have to check.

[tontoz]

Not just who, our govt is also in china's pocket so i'm not sure how were supposed to trust any of this info in that instance but for now it's all we have to go by.

As far as everyone being different that's obvious but this virus hits different age groups way harder than others. Children aren't a threat. They make up less than 1% of hospitalizations so they aren't overwhelming the hospitals and they aren't spreading covid anymore than the vaccinated.

As far antibodies. Isreal just did a study of hundreds of thousands of people who had covid and they all had anywhere from equal to 6 times more protection than the vaccinated. That's the best science we have on this. This group don't need the vaccine.

These 2 groups at the very least we should be able to agree don't need the vaccine. People like you say trust the science and that's what the science says. So does common sense btw.

As far young adults and middle aged you act like there's no rhyme or reaso why some get hit hard and some don't. Almost all of them are unhealthy. I ugree that can still be a tricky thing in some cases because someone could have an underlying issue they don't know about so i'd be willing to concede everybody over a certain age should be vaccinated as long as that age group is a significant risk enough to where there being hospitalized at a high enough rate to where they're contributing to the hospital being overwhelmed. I don't know if 20-30 is enough of a risk or not. I'd have to check.


The US has sanctions against China for human rights violations and Trump called them out for their theft of intellectual property among other things. He was railing against China pretty consistently throughout his presidency, something i always agreed with.

Workplace mandates would be pretty much unaffected by your age qualification, and some companies are making allowances for people that recovered from covid, so your objections to mandates don't wouldn't make much difference. Keep in mind that the youngest employees in a company typically are at the lowest levels and will carry no influence in a situation like this. They have to do what they are told. If they leave they are easily replaced.

[tontoz]

Keiser said Kali’s death was “really shocking,” but it should not have been, given that 40 percent of the county’s cases are people under 20 and the single largest demographic is children under 10.

“This has our community all shaken up. How could this happen? Why could this happen?” he said. “But in some ways again when you step back and you look and see how delta can spread very rapidly and kids now are one of the largest unvaccinated groups in the country, it shouldn’t be surprising to us, even though it was quite shocking.”

As of Sept. 9, nearly 5.3 million children had been diagnosed with Covid-19, representing 15.5 percent of all cases, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics. More than 243,000 cases were reported from Sept. 2 to Sept 9., the second-highest number of child cases in a week since the beginning of the pandemic, representing nearly 29 percent of the weekly reported cases, according to AAP. The highest number of cases was just one week prior, with 251,781 new cases. The AAP reported that after declining in early summer, “child cases have increased exponentially, with nearly 500,000 cases in the past 2 weeks.”

An average 344 new Covid patients ages 17 and under were admitted to hospitals from the week of Sept. 7 to Sept. 13, down slightly from a recent peak of 371 a day from Aug. 29 through Sept. 4, according to data available from the CDC. More than 57,760 children have been admitted to hospitals since August 1, according to the data.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kids-hospitalized-covid-experts-arent-sure-re-sicker-rcna2041

[Nanners]

Bigger than CNN? Yes, a bigger idiot.

:oldlol:

Rogan averages 11 million listeners per episode... meanwhile last month CNN primetime averaged ~800k viewers

[SATAN]

Joe Rogan is an idiot. He admits it himself. He's not enlightened or anywhere close to the farcical mind state people may claim they are in. The podcast has been horrible for a minute now.

[Nanners]

If CNN had any shred of honesty, all their hosts would admit they're idiots too... even though this fact is already blatantly clear to anybody whose had the misfortune of watching the network

[TheMan]

:oldlol:

Rogan averages 11 million listeners per episode... meanwhile last month CNN primetime averaged ~800k viewers
Meh, not trying to defend CNN, haven't watched cable news in ages but just because something is more popular doesn't mean shit, in fact I can make a strong argument that the more popular something is, the lower IQ it is. For example Bella Poarch has many more viewers and subscribers than Answers With Joe but Joe Scott is infinitely more smarter than her...Joe Rogan is a dumb ****, I've listened to enough of his podcasts to come to that conclusion. :confusedshrug:

[Nanners]

Meh, not trying to defend CNN, haven't watched cable news in ages but just because something is more popular doesn't mean shit, in fact I can make a strong argument that the more popular something is, the lower IQ it is. For example Bella Poarch has many more viewers and subscribers than Answers With Joe but Joe Scott is infinitely more smarter than her...Joe Rogan is a dumb ****, I've listened to enough of his podcasts to come to that conclusion. :confusedshrug:

If being low IQ made something more popular, you would be one of the most popular posters on this site, and your precious CNN would be far more popular than rogans show (instead of having less than 1/10th the audience).

Are you seriously trying to argue that TV ratings dont matter to deflect from the fact that Rogan has 10x the audience of CNN on any given night? :oldlol:

Anybody with a functioning brain can see that Rogan is infinitely smarter than Gupta or any of the other shills employed by CNN... which is not to say that Rogan is particularly smart, but more that CNNs stupidity is borderline legendary (I can see why you identify with them).

[PistonsFan#21]

Meh, not trying to defend CNN, haven't watched cable news in ages but just because something is more popular doesn't mean shit, in fact I can make a strong argument that the more popular something is, the lower IQ it is. For example Bella Poarch has many more viewers and subscribers than Answers With Joe but Joe Scott is infinitely more smarter than her...Joe Rogan is a dumb ****, I've listened to enough of his podcasts to come to that conclusion. :confusedshrug:


Can you mention some of the "dumb things" he said? Didn't see all of his podcasts but he seems to always have a variety of hosts from different fields and seems well versed on a lot of topics. He doesn't claim to be an expert himself but he does know what he's talking about and has a higher IQ than most of his critics.

[Nanners]

Can you mention some of the "dumb things" he said? Didn't see all of his podcasts but he seems to always have a variety of hosts from different fields and seems well versed on a lot of topics. He doesn't claim to be an expert himself but he does know what he's talking about and has a higher IQ than most of his critics.

well first of all he ate horse paste

secondly he brought a CNN host on his show and made him explain why they lied about him on a national TV broadcast

[TheMan]

If being low IQ made something more popular, you would be one of the most popular posters on this site, and your precious CNN would be far more popular than rogans show (instead of having less than 1/10th the audience).

Are you seriously trying to argue that TV ratings dont matter to deflect from the fact that Rogan has 10x the audience of CNN on any given night? :oldlol:

Anybody with a functioning brain can see that Rogan is infinitely smarter than Gupta or any of the other shills employed by CNN... which is not to say that Rogan is particularly smart, but more that CNNs stupidity is borderline legendary (I can see why you identify with them).


What part of I haven't watched cable news in ages didn't you get? If reading comprehension is any indication of IQ, you certainly would be amongst the lowest here...I dislike CNN and I have seen Rogan long enough to say that he's unfunny, boring and a UFO conspiracy wacko. I don't know his covid19 stance in particular and frankly IDGAF.

[TheMan]

Can you mention some of the "dumb things" he said? Didn't see all of his podcasts but he seems to always have a variety of hosts from different fields and seems well versed on a lot of topics. He doesn't claim to be an expert himself but he does know what he's talking about and has a higher IQ than most of his critics.
He believes Bob Lazar is legit...enough said. I believe that there is extraterrestrial life out there but don't lump me in with the conspiracy wackos.

[Bronbron23]

He believes Bob Lazar is legit...enough said. I believe that there is extraterrestrial life out there but don't lump me in with the conspiracy wackos.

But rogan is a commedian, mma guy and youtuber. He dosn't claim to be wicked smart.

And what does it say about doctors if idiot rogan absolutely destroys one on a medical topic?

[j3lademaster]

But rogan is a commedian, mma guy and youtuber. He dosn't claim to be wicked smart.

And what does it say about doctors if idiot rogan absolutely destroys one on a medical topic?Tontoz addressed this on the first page.


I listened to it. I saw someone post a story from the UK that was similar to the study Rogan was talking about from the guardian. The one that said myocarditis was 6 times more likely from the vaccine for young people blah blah.

I think it was Manny who posted the study which was easy to debunk. The problem was so obvious it was embarrassing. They were comparing myocarditis cases from the vaccine to hospitalizations from covid.

Problem was they were looking at covid cases that resulted in hospital stays of 7 days or more which will obviously be a very small number of the total cases. With the vaccine cases there was no mention of whether they were admitted to the hospital at all.

But the sensationalized headline is that kids are 6 times more likely to get myocarditis than to be hospitalized from covid. The doctor would have picked the article apart if he had the.chance to look at it prior to the interview.

[Bronbron23]

Tontoz addressed this on the first page.

I highly dought he debunked it as an issue but i can't speak on the article at hand. Isreal has the best studies going on this and their studies suggest it's an issue. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/a-new-vaccine-strategy-for-children-just-one-dose-for-now/%3famp=1 and There was alot more in that conversation than myocarditis. Rogan owned him on the lies him and cnn told. He owned him on children's natural immunity being as good as adults who are vaccinated. He owned him on this being just as much a issue of Americans being lazy fat f*cks as it is about a virus that's in general nothing to healthy individuals.

[j3lademaster]

I highly dought he debunked it as an issue but i can't speak on the article at hand. Isreal has the best studies going on this and their studies suggest it's an issue. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/a-new-vaccine-strategy-for-children-just-one-dose-for-now/%3famp=1 and There was alot more in that conversation than myocarditis. Rogan owned him on the lies him and cnn told. He owned him on children's natural immunity being as good as adults who are vaccinated. He owned him on this being just as much a issue of Americans being lazy fat f*cks as it is about a virus that's in general nothing to healthy individuals.Do you read the articles you link?


Hong Kong has recorded only 213 deaths and just over 12,000 cases of COVID-19 since the start of the pandemic, with fewer than 10 cases per day since April. So the risk of myocarditis, however rare, outweighs the benefit of fully vaccinating adolescents, Cowling said.We don't have that luxury because Americans are stupid and didn't take the pandemic seriously. Kind of like now.


Clinical trials of the vaccine in children are not large enough to detect rare side effects like myocarditis, he added. “You’d only see it when it goes to the population level, and then it’s too late.” Whether to offer second doses to children “does need a careful consideration.”So they should get vaccinated. The only argument is whether once or twice.


But the United States is not in the same position as other countries, noted Dr. Jeffrey Duchin, an infectious diseases physician and a nonvoting member of the CDC’s advisory group on vaccines.

About 2,000 Americans are dying every day, and hospitals in many parts of the country are still packed. “We’ve had a significant impact on our pediatric population,” Duchin said.

Nearly 900,000 children have been hospitalized with COVID-19 since the pandemic began, and about 520 have died. Some children have developed so-called long COVID-19, in which symptoms can persist for months, and more than 4,000 have been diagnosed with a dangerous condition called multisystem inflammatory syndrome.

“All the data that we have so far suggests the disease itself is significantly worse than the vaccine side effects,” Duchin said. Given all of that, a small risk of myocarditis is well worth taking, he said, and two doses are justified.

Your own source dude. Did you just skim the first paragraph and go "yup vaxxers get owned" and linked it?

And even thought this source would help my argument more than yours, it's still a bad source because it isn't a peer reviewed study.

[Bronbron23]

Do you read the articles you link?

We don't have that luxury because Americans are stupid and didn't take the pandemic seriously. Kind of like now.

So they should get vaccinated. The only argument is whether once or twice.



Your own source dude. Did you just skim the first paragraph and go "yup vaxxers get owned" and linked it?

And even thought this source would help my argument more than yours, it's still a bad source because it isn't a peer reviewed study.

It was just a quick find showing kids don't need to be vaccinated and fully vaccinated in the us and Canada is doubled vaxxed so bringing that up was just to show that the science says kids getting vaxxed (double vaxxed) could be more dangerous than the virus itself. If the science says children are better off with one than that's fine but they still shouldn't be mandated. Without a vaccine they're still an extremely low risk who's natural immunity protects them as much as a vaccinated adult.

[Chick Stern]

Also ivermectin has been used on hundreds of millions of people with success to fight covid. Now take your la times nazi paper and shove it


“hundreds of millions of people”?
Awesome!
Can you provide the link to the empirical evidence supporting your factual and in no way based on conjecture statement?

https://www.statnews.com/2021/08/25/ivermectin-for-covid-19-abundance-of-hype-dearth-of-evidence/


Boner?

Boner?

[Vino24]

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-blackout---part-v-the-secret-revealed/article_9a37d9a8-1fb2-11ec-a94b-47343582647b.html Interesting. India has found ivermectin highly successful

[Ryoka Narusawa]

Dude rogan mopped the floor with him. Must hurt for all these brainwashed pro vaxxers who keep saying trust the doctors not youtube. A youtuber just crushed a famous doctor. Had that muthfaka stuttering worse than rrrrr3

:roll: