Kawhi has never averaged 19+ ppg against a healthy Finals team

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:biggums:

[AirBonner]

Shots fired! HBK get your ass in here

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He's the only player ever to eliminate the 2010s version of jordan/pippen aka curry and draymond

[000]

He's the only player ever to eliminate the 2010s version of jordan/pippen aka curry and draymond
How come Kawhi went to 3 Finals and still never averaged 19+ against a healthy team?

[SaintzFury13]

He's the only player ever to eliminate the 2010s version of jordan/pippen aka curry and draymond

LeBron did it in 2016...

[HBK_Kliq_2]

How come Kawhi went to 3 Finals and still never averaged 19+ against a healthy team?

His 2014 finals is better then Lebron 2007 or 2011 finals (higher production aka gamescore + better defense)

His Raptors finals is better then any heat lebron finals (higher production aka gamescore)

His raptors playoff run as a whole going through giannis\embiid was better then any lebron cavs playoff run

then the bubble doesn't count.

What else do you want from Kawhi? You want him to stick his gigantic hands up your moms clit? would that make you feel better huh?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

LeBron did it in 2016...

draymond was suspended and that ruined the momentum of the entire series.

[000]

His 2014 finals is better then Lebron 2007 or 2011 finals (higher production aka gamescore + better defense)

His Raptors finals is better then any heat lebron finals (higher production aka gamescore)

His raptors playoff run as a whole going through giannis\embiid was better then any lebron cavs playoff run

then the bubble doesn't count.

What else do you want from Kawhi? You want him to stick his gigantic hands up your moms clit? would that make you feel better huh?

I just want him to average 19+ ppg in the Finals against a healthy team, can't be that hard right? Lots of players have done it.

[SaintzFury13]

draymond was suspended and that ruined the momentum of the entire series.

I don't care. He still played every other game in that series, including arguably his greatest finals performance in his entire life in game 7, and they still lost. Kawhi on the other hand faced a Warriors team that had Klay go down with injury in game 5. Oh and this guy named Kevin Durant? He only played on game in that entire series and that was for twelve minutes. But you want to try to act like Draymond being gone for one game is a bigger deal. Don't be a retard.

[3ba11]

I just want him to average 19+ ppg in the Finals against a healthy team, can't be that hard right? Lots of players have done it.



Curry 2016 Finals.... 22.6 on 40%
Curry 2019 Finals.... 30.5 on 41%

Klay 2016 Finals...... 19.6 on 43%
Klay 2019 Finals...... 26.0 on 54%


Kawhi beat the experienced, dominant versions of Curry/Klay without a 1b teammate to match his scoring, while Lebron beat the baby, bed-wetting version and needed the Draymond suspension to do it, while having a 1b teammate to match his scoring.

Imagine if Lowry destroyed Curry in the 2019 Finals like Kyrie did Curry - that's the only way that Kawhi's 2019 ring could be reduced to Lebron's 2016 ring.... :confusedshrug:

[SouBeachTalents]

Curry 2016 Finals.... 22.6 on 40%
Curry 2019 Finals.... 30.5 on 50%

Klay 2016 Finals...... 19.6 on 43%
Klay 2019 Finals...... 26.0 on 50%


Kawhi beat the experienced, dominant versions of Curry/Klay without a 1b teammate to match his scoring, while Lebron beat the baby, bed-wetting version and needed the Draymond suspension to do it, while having a 1b teammate to match his scoring.

Imagine if Lowry had destroyed Curry in the 2019 Finals like Kyrie did Curry - that's the only way that Kawhi's 2019 ring could be reduced to Lebron's 2016 ring.... :confusedshrug:
Just gonna make NO mention of Klay being injured huh fakkit :lol

[3ba11]

Just gonna make NO mention of Klay being injured huh fakkit :lol


Klay was injured for 1 game, which is offset by the draymond suspension in 2016

Furthermore, KD had 12 points in Game 5, which won that game in the 2019 Finals - this more than offsets the fact that Klay missed slightly more than 1 game

you know all of this already but I guess you prefer to hear it from me.. it's easier to accept reality - your boy is a FRAUD... lol... but you can recover - just reject the drivel you watch on ESPN and look down on their inferior knowledge as you watch them, like i do

[AirBonner]

Curry 2016 Finals.... 22.6 on 40%
Curry 2019 Finals.... 30.5 on 41%

Klay 2016 Finals...... 19.6 on 43%
Klay 2019 Finals...... 26.0 on 54%


Kawhi beat the experienced, dominant versions of Curry/Klay without a 1b teammate to match his scoring, while Lebron beat the baby, bed-wetting version and needed the Draymond suspension to do it, while having a 1b teammate to match his scoring.

Imagine if Lowry destroyed Curry in the 2019 Finals like Kyrie did Curry - that's the only way that Kawhi's 2019 ring could be reduced to Lebron's 2016 ring.... :confusedshrug:

Kawhi has a playoff run better than anything Kobe did

[3ba11]

Kawhi has a playoff run better than anything Kobe did


My top 4 all-time players exclude centers and ball-dominators because the historical record confirms that they need more help:

1) MJ
2) Kobe
3) Bird
4) Kawhi


Sounds crazy perhaps, but these guys didn't need to play with Magic or Kareem to win because they have the best skillset (assassin scorer/quick-iso/off-ball) that doesn't need as much help to win while still allowing the best strategy (ball movement)

Most people will prefer the usual suspects - but guys like Magic, Kareem, Lebron or Russell needed all the league's best players on their team to win because they possessed inferior skillsets (ball-dominators or centers) that produced lesser teammate fits, team strategy and ultimately, team ceilings/Finals records

[AirBonner]

My top 4 all-time players exclude centers and ball-dominators because the historical record confirms that they need more help:

1) MJ
2) Kobe
3) Bird
4) Kawhi


Sounds crazy perhaps, but these guys didn't need to play with Magic or Kareem to win because they have the best skillset (assassin scorer/quick-iso/off-ball) that doesn't need as much help to win while still allowing the best strategy (ball movement)

Most people will prefer the usual suspects - but guys like Magic, Kareem, Lebron or Russell needed all the league's best players on their team to win because they possessed inferior skillsets (ball-dominators or centers) that produced lesser teammate fits, team strategy and ultimately, team ceilings/Finals records
Much like MJ’s Bulls Kawhi’s raptors won 50+ games without him

[3ba11]

Much like MJ’s Bulls Kawhi’s raptors won 50+ games without him


:facepalm:

Yes, after MJ/Kawhi got their teams to the apex, they won 50+ without them - but that was the APEX - what happens all the other years??

could pippen/lowry keep BUILDING their teams like MJ did every year before they won chips?... That's what true stars do - they BUILD a team to championship..

So what did Pippen do after the apex and after the 3-peat luster was gone in 1995?... lol... we all saw what happened - the 95' Bulls were a disaster so Pippen had officially destroyed a dynasty in less than 2 years - Pippen was infact pointing to his shoe and begging (https://c.tenor.com/DO-xwH3GlPgAAAAd/jordans-scottie.gif) MJ to return.

in hindsight, it's clear that Pippen wasn't a legit 1st or 2nd option because he was outscored by the opponent's 2nd leading scorer in half the series he played, while his low PPG and worst-ever efficiency further confirmed that he couldn't handle the load/volume.

But to answer your question more directly - defending champs play the best brand of ball and are usually still decent without the star.. More importantly, that particular player type (assassin scorer, quick-iso player, off-ball player) can employ the best brand of basketball (ball movement), which keeps the team afloat without them and allows the best team ceilings WITH them.. Otoh, centers and ball-dominators can't employ the best brand of ball, so the team has no brand to rely on in the absence of their talent.

[000]

My top 4 all-time players exclude centers and ball-dominators because the historical record confirms that they need more help:

1) MJ
2) Kobe
3) Bird
4) Kawhi


Sounds crazy perhaps, but these guys didn't need to play with Magic or Kareem to win because they have the best skillset (assassin scorer/quick-iso/off-ball) that doesn't need as much help to win while still allowing the best strategy (ball movement)

Most people will prefer the usual suspects - but guys like Magic, Kareem, Lebron or Russell needed all the league's best players on their team to win because they possessed inferior skillsets (ball-dominators or centers) that produced lesser teammate fits, team strategy and ultimately, team ceilings/Finals records
A guy who never averaged 19+ ppg against a healthy team in the Finals is in your Mount Rushmore. That's awesome.

[Axe]

LeBron did it in 2016...
:roll:

Hbk dimwit bodybagged

[Axe]

Klay was injured for 1 game, which is offset by the draymond suspension in 2016

Furthermore, KD had 12 points in Game 5, which won that game in the 2019 Finals - this more than offsets the fact that Klay missed slightly more than 1 game

you know all of this already but I guess you prefer to hear it from me.. it's easier to accept reality - your boy is a FRAUD... lol... but you can recover - just reject the drivel you watch on ESPN and look down on their inferior knowledge as you watch them, like i do
11 to be exact

[Spurs m8]

He's the only player ever to eliminate the 2010s version of jordan/pippen aka curry and draymond

Lol yeah, they were missing 2 of their top 3 players...including their best player

Nice try though...dipshit

[Axe]

Lol yeah, they were missing 2 of their top 3 players...including their best player

Nice try though...dipshit
:oldlol:

[000]

Will Kawhi ever average 19+ against a healthy Finals team? He has like 3 more prime seasons right?

[000]

You want him to stick his gigantic hands up your moms clit?

What?:roll:

[Phoenix]

He's the only player ever to eliminate the 2010s version of jordan/pippen aka curry and draymond

Prime Pippen without MJ in 94: 22/9/6/3/2 49%
Prime Draymond without Curry in 2020: 8/6/6/1/1 39%

Don't ever make that comparison again.

[TheCorporation]

My top 4 all-time players exclude centers and ball-dominators because the historical record confirms that they need more help:

1) MJ
2) Kobe
3) Bird
4) Kawhi


Sounds crazy perhaps, but these guys didn't need to play with Magic or Kareem to win because they have the best skillset (assassin scorer/quick-iso/off-ball) that doesn't need as much help to win while still allowing the best strategy (ball movement)

Most people will prefer the usual suspects - but guys like Magic, Kareem, Lebron or Russell needed all the league's best players on their team to win because they possessed inferior skillsets (ball-dominators or centers) that produced lesser teammate fits, team strategy and ultimately, team ceilings/Finals records

Breathe. No one cares about your fake player rankings.

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Bump

[r15mohd]

My top 4 all-time players exclude centers and ball-dominators because the historical record confirms that they need more help:

1) MJ
2) Kobe
3) Bird
4) Kawhi


Sounds crazy perhaps, but these guys didn't need to play with Magic or Kareem to win because they have the best skillset (assassin scorer/quick-iso/off-ball) that doesn't need as much help to win while still allowing the best strategy (ball movement)

Most people will prefer the usual suspects - but guys like Magic, Kareem, Lebron or Russell needed all the league's best players on their team to win because they possessed inferior skillsets (ball-dominators or centers) that produced lesser teammate fits, team strategy and ultimately, team ceilings/Finals records


your lists sway more than palm trees during a hurricane...and now it excludes players because of some dumbed-downed criteria, ironically since you've been exposed as a Kobestan hiding behind MJ, he's bumped to 2 :hammerhead::hammerhead:



My top 15 all-time
Russell
MJ
Wilt
Magic
Bird
Kareem
Shaq
Hakeem
Mikan
Duncan
Oscar
Kobe
Elgin
Garnett
Moses

Link: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?386850-My-top-15-all-time&p=11752943&viewfull=1#post11752943




3Ball's Top 10 List
1. MJ
2. Wilt
3. Kobe
4. Bird
5. Magic
6. Shaq
7. Kareem
8. Russell
9. Duncan
10. Hakeem

Link: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?467734-3Ball-s-Top-10-List&p=13723409&viewfull=1#post13723409

[r15mohd]

My top 4 all-time players exclude centers and ball-dominators because the historical record confirms that they need more help:

1) MJ
2) Kobe
3) Bird
4) Kawhi


Sounds crazy perhaps, but these guys didn't need to play with Magic or Kareem to win because they have the best skillset (assassin scorer/quick-iso/off-ball) that doesn't need as much help to win while still allowing the best strategy (ball movement)

Most people will prefer the usual suspects - but guys like Magic, Kareem, Lebron or Russell needed all the league's best players on their team to win because they possessed inferior skillsets (ball-dominators or centers) that produced lesser teammate fits, team strategy and ultimately, team ceilings/Finals records

MJ - Pippen was top 5-n the 90s, 10 at very worst
Kobe - Shaq Gasol
Bird - had Archibald, Parish, McHale as multi-year all-stars alongside him
Kawhi - TD, Parker, Manu

only you would overlook these players having elite help :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Axe]

Breathe. No one cares about your fake player rankings.
He's afraid to admit that kobe is actually his #1.