Which Finals does Lebron win with Wade, Kyrie or AD getting 15.7 on 40% like Pippen

[3ba11]

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* 2016 would be a loss because Lebron needed Kyrie to destroy the league MVP and be an equal-scoring partner

* 2020 would be a loss because Lebron needed AD to lead the whole league in playoff scoring and average 25-30 against Denver and Miami

* 2013 would be a loss because Lebron struggled to score and needed Wade to outscore the opponent's #1 option and average 20 with good efficiency - Wade's 2013 Finals would rank no worse than Pippen's 3rd best Finals, and possible his best

* 2012 would be a loss because Wade averaged 23 ppg and Bosh can't make it up because he was reduced to spot-up role


b-b-but defense!!!!!!!!... What about it?.... The 2011-2013 Heat had better team defenses than the 1st three-peat Bulls, while AD was a better defender than Pippen for the 2020 chip (runner-up for DPOY)

[RRR3]

Which finals does LeBron win with a teammate averaging more than twice as many points as him? I’m gonna say all of them :lol

Carriedbe

[3ba11]

Which finals does LeBron win with a teammate averaging more than twice as many points as him? I’m gonna say all of them :lol

Carriedbe


That was just 1 ring - Kobe has 4 others

And Mark Jackson said the Pacers would've won in 7 games if Kobe doesn't prevent the series from going 7 with his heroics in the OT

[ShawkFactory]

Here’s you attention.

Bye now

[RRR3]

That was just 1 ring - Kobe has 4 others

And Mark Jackson said the Pacers would've won in 7 games if Kobe doesn't prevent the series from going 7 with his heroics in the OT
You mean 3 others. Why are we giving him credit for 2002 which was confirmed as rigged? Ref went to jail over it. Kobe’s game 6 “heroics” included scoring 26 points on 8-27 while Shaq had 41 on 19-32 :lol. Talk about low standards.

[3ba11]

You mean 3 others. Why are we giving him credit for 2002 which was confirmed as rigged? Ref went to jail over it. Kobe’s game 6 “heroics” included scoring 26 points on 8-27 while Shaq had 41 on 19-32 :lol. Talk about low standards.


The 02' WCF was rigged but so was the 2016 Finals and I'm sure we can find some rigging if we look hard enough at the 2013 Finals too or one of those ECF against the Pacers... or the 2018 ECF or 1st Round... Lebron has benefitted from tons of rigging.

[RRR3]

The 02' WCF was rigged but so was the 2016 Finals and I'm sure we can find some rigging if we look hard enough at the 2013 Finals too or one of those ECF against the Pacers... or the 2018 ECF or 1st Round... Lebron has benefitted from tons of rigging.
Evidence? Confirmed hard evidence, not meltdowns about how butthurt you are about LeBron. What refs went to jail over it?

[3ba11]

Evidence? Confirmed hard evidence, not meltdowns about how butthurt you are about LeBron. What refs went to jail over it?


The eye test confirms that the Draymond suspension wasn't warranted and therefore a rigging by Adam Silver, who probably felt sorry for Lebron and thought he could drag the series out another game or 2..

I'm sure Silver wasn't expecting Kyrie and Lebron to go off and win the series going away.

[RRR3]

The eye test confirms that the Draymond suspension wasn't warranted and therefore a rigging by Adam Silver, who probably felt sorry for Lebron and thought he could drag the series out another game or 2..

I'm sure Silver wasn't expecting Kyrie and Lebron to go off and win the series going away.
Your eye test is not evidence. It looks like you’re unable to produce any :(



Face it chump, LeBron and Kobe have the same number of legitimate rings but Kobe was completely carried for one of his. And LeBron beat a 73-9 team. And has quadruple the MVPs. Your hero just can’t measure up. Tell us where it hurts.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

R3 literally bullying 3ball in all his threads

Threads all centered around Kobe too :lol. OP will never get over Bron passing his boy.

[SouBeachTalents]

R3 literally bullying 3ball in all his threads

Threads all centered around Kobe :lol. OP absolutely hates that Lebron passed Kobe all-time.
Not just passed him, LeBron’s 8-10 spots ahead on virtually every list. He ran fcking laps around him :lol

[3ba11]

Your eye test is not evidence. It looks like you’re unable to produce any :(



Face it chump, LeBron and Kobe have the same number of legitimate rings but Kobe was completely carried for one of his. And LeBron beat a 73-9 team. And has quadruple the MVPs. Your hero just can’t measure up. Tell us where it hurts.


If we gave Kobe a third star (big 3), he would sweep any team in history, so we can't compare accomplishments between the two - Lebron needed big 3 super-teams to win and never won without them as the clear-cut top producer, while Kobe has won without super-teams.

And MVP's mean nothing because that's based on circumstance - some players are in a better situation to be "more valuable" to their team - look at Derrick Rose in 2011 - you never hear me arguing MVP's

If Lebron was better than Kobe, he would've stayed in Cleveland and won in 2011, and then won many rings since then... in cleveland

[SouBeachTalents]

If we gave Kobe a third star (big 3), he would sweep any team in history, so we can't compare accomplishments between the two - Lebron needed big 3 super-teams to win and never won without them as the clear-cut top producer, while Kobe has won without super-teams.

And MVP's mean nothing because that's based on circumstance - some players are in a better situation to be "more valuable" to their team - look at Derrick Rose in 2011 - you never hear me arguing MVP's

If Lebron was better than Kobe, he would've stayed in Cleveland and won in 2011, and then won many rings since then... in cleveland
So Kobe with a 3rd star sweeps the '17 Warriors, '96 Bulls, '86 Celtics? Fcking idiot :lol

And it would've been amusing to see Kobe trapped on those Cavs teams, he probably doesn't even make it past his 3rd season before crying for a trade, similar to what he did after Shaq left.

[RRR3]

If we gave Kobe a third star (big 3), he would sweep any team in history, so we can't compare accomplishments between the two - Lebron needed big 3 super-teams to win and never won without them as the clear-cut top producer, while Kobe has won without super-teams.

And MVP's mean nothing because that's based on circumstance - some players are in a better situation to be "more valuable" to their team - look at Derrick Rose in 2011 - you never hear me arguing MVP's

If Lebron was better than Kobe, he would've stayed in Cleveland and won in 2011, and then won many rings since then... in cleveland
Kobe had a 3rd AND 4th star in 2004 and 2013, how’d he do? He had a third star in 2012 too, didn’t end well.

[RRR3]

So Kobe with a 3rd star sweeps the '17 Warriors, '96 Bulls, '86 Celtics? Fcking idiot :lol

And it would've been amusing to see Kobe trapped on those Cavs teams, he probably doesn't even make it past his 3rd season before crying for a trade, similar to what he did after Shaq left.
He would have refused to even play for the Cavs at all if they drafted him.

[3ba11]

So Kobe with a 3rd star sweeps the '17 Warriors, '96 Bulls, '86 Celtics? Fcking idiot :lol





Okay maybe not sweep - 5 or 6 games






And it would've been amusing to see Kobe trapped on those Cavs teams, he probably doesn't even make it past his 3rd season before crying for a trade, similar to what he did after Shaq left.





The difference is that Kobe could win with only 1 star teammate because his superior scoring diversity (on-ball and off-ball) yielded better teammate fits, better team strategy (ball movement), and therefore better team ceilings/Finals records (better teams).

So the instant that Jamison, Shaq, and Mo came to town = championship for Kobe.... but for Lebron it resulted in bitter disappointment and legacy-trashing move to team-hop/collude for the rest of his career... night and day... kobe is far superior

[RRR3]

Okay maybe not sweep - 5 or 6 games






The difference is that Kobe could win with only 1 star teammate because his superior scoring diversity (on-ball and off-ball) yielded better teammate fits, better team strategy (ball movement), and therefore better team ceilings/Finals records (better teams).

So the instant that Jamison and Shaq came to town = championship for Kobe.... but for Lebron it resulted in bitter disappointment and legacy-trashing move to team-hop/collude for the rest of his career... night and day... kobe is far superior
How many star teammates did LeBron have in the 2016 finals? Injured ineffective Love doesn’t count. How many star teammates did LeBron have in 2020?

[8Ball]

Which finals does LeBron win with a teammate averaging more than twice as many points as him? I’m gonna say all of them :lol

Carriedbe

Which finals does LeBron win averaging 2 assists and 4 rebounds?

0.

Ain't happening against the dynasties.

[RRR3]

Which finals does LeBron win averaging 2 assists and 4 rebounds?
Nah don’t let him run back to his MJ binky. This is about Kobe.

[3ba11]

How many star teammates did LeBron have in the 2016 finals? Injured ineffective Love doesn’t count. How many star teammates did LeBron have in 2020?


2020 doesn't really count because Lebron wasn't the top producer on the team - Lebron was "pippen" to AD so that chip is irrelevant, kind of like Kobe's chips with Shaq.

And 2016 had a big 3 and a 1b (equal-scoring partner)... Kobe can only dream of equal-scoring partners to boost his efficiency and lessen his burden - Kobe had to carry the load for his rings with Pau, while Lebron never carried the load because of equal-scoring partners.

[8Ball]

How many star teammates did LeBron have in the 2016 finals? Injured ineffective Love doesn’t count. How many star teammates did LeBron have in 2020?

0 stars in 2016.
1 in 2020.

[RRR3]

2020 doesn't really count because Lebron wasn't the top producer on the team - Lebron was "pippen" to AD so that chip is irrelevant, kind of like Kobe's chips with Shaq.

And 2016 had a big 3 and a 1b (equal-scoring partner)... Kobe can only dream of equal-scoring partners to boost his efficiency and lessen his burden - Kobe had to carry the load for his rings with Pau, while Lebron never carried the load because of equal-scoring partners.
How did LeBron have a big 3 in the 2016 finals? Stop avoiding that question. Are you not aware Pau actually helped on defense and rebounding while Kyrie is horrid in those areas? Scoring isn’t all that married. Kobe never carried the load on defense like LeBron did in 2016. There’s two sides of the ball.

And no LeBron wasn’t AD’s Pippen. They scored almost the exact same amount lol. A total 1a/1b situation. And that was only because LeBron was old. He would have been a clear number one if he was younger and you know it.

[RRR3]

Kobe had a 3rd AND 4th star in 2004 and 2013, how’d he do? He had a third star in 2012 too, didn’t end well.
Why did Snivelball avoid this?

[3ba11]

How did LeBron have a big 3 in the 2016 finals? Stop avoiding that question. Are you not aware Pau actually helped on defense and rebounding while Kyrie is horrid in those areas? Scoring isn’t all that married. Kobe never carried the load on defense like LeBron did in 2016. There’s two sides of the ball.





Love and Tristan Thompson rebound like Pau... And Lebron wasn't all-defense in 2016, while Kobe was all-defense every year - the only all-defender on his team..

Ultimately, Lebron was carried on defense by teammates (AD), and he always had equal-scoring partners to share the load on offense.. Otoh, Kobe was the only defensive leader on his team, while also carrying the scoring and assists.






And no LeBron wasn’t AD’s Pippen. They scored almost the exact same amount lol. A total 1a/1b situation. And that was only because LeBron was old. He would have been a clear number one if he was younger and you know it.





Lebron would've been #1 if he was younger, but AD would've still been equal-scoring partner because that's what Lebron needs - he needs elite 1st options to play sidekick because he can't win with high scoring (his high scoring is too ball-dominant or inefficient at the higher jumpshooting volume)

So Lebron has a real problem with scoring.........

For Lebron to score a lot, the entire game must slow to a crawl..... His team must play a certain way (extreme ball-domination), while teammates are marginalized.. Otoh, Kobe can win with scoring because he can POP OFF - he can come down and score quickly so the game doesn't have to slow down and teammates can pop off WITH HIM

[RRR3]

Love and Tristan Thompson rebound like Pau, while Lebron wasn't all-defense in 2016 and Kobe was all-defense every year - the only all-defender on his team..

Ultimately, Lebron was carried on defense by teammates (AD), while he always had equal-scoring partners to share the load on offense.. Otoh, Kobe was the only defensive leader on his team, while also carrying the scoring and assists.






Lebron would've been #1 if he was younger, but AD would've still been equal-scoring partner because that's what Lebron needs - he needs elite 1st options to play sidekick because he can't win with high scoring (his high scoring is too ball-dominant or inefficient at the higher jumpshooting volume)

So Lebron has a real problem with scoring.........

For Lebron to score a lot, the entire game must slow to a crawl..... His team must play a certain way (extreme ball-domination), while teammates are marginalized.. Otoh, Kobe can win with scoring because he can POP OFF - he can come down and score quickly so the game doesn't have to slow down and teammates can pop off WITH HIM
Are you actually suggesting Kobe was a better defender in 2009 and 2010 than LeBron in 2016 lmaoooooo. I am positive the data shows significantly otherwise. LeBron absolutely carried the Cavs on defense, anyone who watched that finals knows it. It was one of the greatest defensive finals of all time. You’re actually braindead. LeBron was also great in the 2020 playoffs on defense he wasn’t carried. Again you don’t know because you don’t watch basketball.

If LeBron needs the game to be slow to score a lot, how do you explain him scoring a lot when he played on fast paced teams? :lol.

[SaintzFury13]

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* 2016 would be a loss because Lebron needed Kyrie to destroy the league MVP and be an equal-scoring partner

* 2020 would be a loss because Lebron needed AD to lead the whole league in playoff scoring and average 25-30 against Denver and Miami

* 2013 would be a loss because Lebron struggled to score and needed Wade to outscore the opponent's #1 option and average 20 with good efficiency - Wade's 2013 Finals would rank no worse than Pippen's 3rd best Finals, and possible his best

* 2012 would be a loss because Wade averaged 23 ppg and Bosh can't make it up because he was reduced to spot-up role


b-b-but defense!!!!!!!!... What about it?.... The 2011-2013 Heat had better team defenses than the 1st three-peat Bulls, while AD was a better defender than Pippen for the 2020 chip (runner-up for DPOY)

This might be the worst thread you've ever made. Yes, that is not an exaggeration. This is truly pushing the boundaries of absolute dumbassery that we've never seen from you before.

I mean...shit, where do I even begin?

Well I guess I'll start with one of the most obvious ones, which is that Irving in 2016 was not an equal scoring partner. He averaged less than LeBron did and on worse efficiency. That's a huge difference in a seven game series. Not to mention, LeBron also ran the offense, had the most assists, had the most rebounds, had literally the most everything. He straight up carried Cleveland in 2016. It's not up for debate.

The truth of the matter is, all of these series would be losses, and they wouldn't be for the reasons you are listing. It's because LeBron and Scottie Pippen would be a TERRIBLE fit. Pippen was the guy who ran the offense for the Bulls so Jordan didn't have to. That's one of the key factors that made him so important for the team. That term that you stupidly use to describe him? A defense role player? That's what he becomes if he's on a team with LeBron, because at that point he's not allowed to run the offense and he has to look for his spots on offense. And just an FYI, the same exact thing happens if you put Kyrie Irving on all of those championship teams with Jordan. Not only do the Bulls not win any of those series, but the Bulls probably don't even make the finals in any of those seasons. This goes back to the point of fit and why it's important, and why you're an idiot.

But believe it or not...this part is the cherry on top.


b-b-but defense!!!!!!!!... What about it?.... The 2011-2013 Heat had better team defenses than the 1st three-peat Bulls, while AD was a better defender than Pippen for the 2020 chip (runner-up for DPOY)

What do the first three-peat Bulls have to do with any of this? You're mentioning Pippen averaging 15.7 PPG on 40% shooting, so you are clearly talking about the 2nd three peat Bulls since in the first three peat, Pippen averaged 20 PPG across all three Finals series. And guess what? The 2011-2013 Heat are not by any stretch of the imagination better than the 2nd three peat Bulls defensively.

In other words, you managed to kill your entire argument when you tried to save face by trying to pretend Pippen's defense wasn't important.

What an idiot.

[SaintzFury13]

The eye test confirms that the Draymond suspension wasn't warranted and therefore a rigging by Adam Silver

How?

Draymond swiped at LeBron's groin. That's an automatic flagrant under any circumstances in any rule book in any NBA game that has ever been played in the history of the game.

[3ba11]

Are you actually suggesting Kobe was a better defender in 2009 and 2010 than LeBron in 2016 lmaoooooo. I am positive the data shows significantly otherwise. LeBron absolutely carried the Cavs on defense, anyone who watched that finals knows it. It was one of the greatest defensive finals of all time. You’re actually braindead. LeBron was also great in the 2020 playoffs on defense he wasn’t carried. Again you don’t know because you don’t watch basketball.

If LeBron needs the game to be slow to score a lot, how do you explain him scoring a lot when he played on fast paced teams? :lol.


I'm not talking about Lebron getting his normal 28/8/8

For Lebron to get 40 or to score a big percentage of his team's points, he needs the game to slow to a crawl and play AAU-style, 1-player basketball - the ball cannot move or else Lebron can't score a lot.

Regarding defense - I'm about to post a bunch of charts and facts about what happened defensively in the 2016 Finals.. gimme a sec

[SaintzFury13]

For Lebron to get 40 or to score a big percentage of his team's points, he needs the game to slow to a crawl and play AAU-style, 1-player basketball - the ball cannot move or else Lebron can't score a lot.

LeBron literally scored 16 points in a 2 minute time span.

[3ba11]

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Btw, Bosh was the anchor of the Heat's defense even more than Tristan was for the Cavs

[RRR3]

I'm not talking about Lebron getting his normal 28/8/8

For Lebron to get 40 or to score a big percentage of his team's points, he needs the game to slow to a crawl and play AAU-style, 1-player basketball - the ball cannot move or else Lebron can't score a lot.

Regarding defense - I'm about to post a bunch of charts and facts about what happened defensively in the 2016 Finals.. gimme a sec
The Cavs were 12 in the league in pace in 2018 and that’s arguably the best LeBron ever was a scorer lol.

[RRR3]

Snivelly posting stats that make LeBron look great what a moron lmaooooo

[3ba11]

Snivelly posting stats that make LeBron look great what a moron lmaooooo


Tristan and Bosh had more defensive impact than Pippen ever had

Many of Lebron's teams had better defenses than the 1st thee-peat Bulls (2007-2012)

[RRR3]

Tristan and Bosh had more defensive impact than Pippen ever had

Many of Lebron's teams had better defenses than the 1st thee-peat Bulls (2007-2012)
Permaban time.

[3ba11]

Permaban time.


there's no definitive stats for defense - defensive awards and reputation are achieved based on who catches the media's eye - it's that simple - a player will be considered for all-defense and viewed as a defender from that point forward, while other great defenders are ignored based on subjective bias..

Ultimately, there's just as much documentation that shows EXACTLY how Bosh or Tristan impacted the defense, while there's a lot less on Pippen - articles that praise Pippen's defense are just BS word salad because people can't compliment his offense - so they just give a word salad about his defense and go home... nothing specific like the many articles on bosh and tristan.

[RRR3]

there's no definitive stats for defense - defensive awards and reputation are achieved based on who catches the media's eye - it's that simple - a player will be considered for all-defense and viewed as a defender from that point forward, while other great defenders are ignored based on subjective bias..

Ultimately, there's just as much documentation that shows EXACTLY how Bosh or Tristan impacted the defense, while there's a lot less on Pippen - articles that praise Pippen's defense are just BS word salad because people can't compliment his offense - so they just give a word salad about his defense and go home... nothing specific like the many articles on bosh and tristan.
Permaban time.

[3ba11]

Permaban time.


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^^^^ that's every bit as good as Pippen - better actually because Tristan shut down Curry, while Pippen was destroyed by Barkley, Dumas, Malone, Kersey or Worthy, who all got their regular numbers or better (not clamped like curry)

[SaintzFury13]

Tristan and Bosh had more defensive impact than Pippen ever had

I'm having a hard time deciding which 3ball statement is more idiotic. This one, or the one where he tried to claim Shaq was the reason the Lakers lost in 04.

[RRR3]

I'm having a hard time deciding which 3ball statement is more idiotic. This one, or the one where he tried to claim Shaq was the reason the Lakers lost in 04.
I’m amazed he can even use a computer tbh.

[SaintzFury13]

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^^^^ that's every bit as good as Pippen - better actually because Tristan shut down Curry, while Pippen was destroyed by Barkley, Dumas, Malone, Kersey or Worthy, who all got their regular numbers or better (not clamped like curry)

Just ban this guy already.

[RRR3]

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^^^^ that's every bit as good as Pippen - better actually because Tristan shut down Curry, while Pippen was destroyed by Barkley, Dumas, Malone, Kersey or Worthy, who all got their regular numbers or better (not clamped like curry)
When did the anvil fall on your head?

[SaintzFury13]

there's no definitive stats for defense - defensive awards and reputation are achieved based on who catches the media's eye - it's that simple - a player will be considered for all-defense and viewed as a defender from that point forward, while other great defenders are ignored based on subjective bias..

So what you're saying is, Michael Jordan wasn't all that great of a defender and his all defensive team selections are undeserved, as well as his DPOY award. Meanwhile, LeBron is superior in that regard because this very article YOU posted pointed out that LeBron was in fact the most impactful defensive player in the 2016 finals.

You've heard it here folks. According to 3ball himself, LeBron James is a better defensive player than Michael Jordan.

[3ba11]

When did the anvil fall on your head?


Dave Corzine averaged 0.8 blocks in 1988 and Cartwright averaged 0.5 blocks in 1989 - that's the most rim protection that Jordan ever had

Otoh, Lebron played with the #6 rim protector in the league - Zydrunas averaged 2.1 blocks in 2005, while Mosgov, Shaq, Chandler, McGee, and AD averaged 1.5 or more




When did the anvil fall on your head?


Good defenders that Jordan played with:



Pippen
Horace

Rodman
Pippen
Harper



Good defenders that Lebron played with:



Zydrunas
Hughes*
Varejao*
Boozer
Mihm

Wade*
Bosh
Battier*
Birdman
Haslem

Shumpert
Tristan
Mosgov
Varejao*

AD
Rondo
Dwight
Westbrook
DeAndre Jordan
Ariza


Lebron's teams from 2007-2012 had better defenses than the 1st three-peat Bulls

[SaintzFury13]

Dave Corzine averaged 0.8 blocks in 1988 and Cartwright averaged 0.5 blocks in 1989 - that's the most rim protection that Jordan ever had

Horace Grant averaged 2.3 BPG in 92...

[3ba11]

Horace Grant averaged 2.3 BPG in 92...


Lies

Lebron simply had far more rim protection than Jordan ever did, while also having more good rebounders and more athletic guards (jordan had the least athletic guard teammates in history).

That's why Lebron's teams from 2007-2012 had better defenses than the 1st three-peat Bulls

[RRR3]

Horace Grant averaged 2.3 BPG in 92...
:yaohappy:

[SaintzFury13]

Lies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_NBA_Finals

Go down to team stats, and look at what it says for Horace Grant in the BPG department.

Stop being a retard.

[3ba11]

Horace Grant averaged 2.3 BPG in 92...


Lies

the most rim protection from a center that Jordan ever had was Dave Corzine's 0.8 blocks in 1988 and Cartwright's 0.5 blocks in 1989

Otoh, Lebron played with the #6 rim protector in the league - Zydrunas averaged 2.1 blocks in 2005, while Mosgov, AD and Shaq averaged 1.5 or more... Chandler and McGee were also renowned rim protectors

Lebron simply had far better rim protection than Jordan ever had, along with more athletic guards, more good rebounders and more players that were all-defense...

[Axe]

I'm having a hard time deciding which 3ball statement is more idiotic. This one, or the one where he tried to claim Shaq was the reason the Lakers lost in 04.
None of his posts make any sense because they're not all true, yet you continue to feed the troll.

[SaintzFury13]

Lies

the most rim protection from a center that Jordan ever had was Dave Corzine's 0.8 blocks in 1988 and Cartwright's 0.5 blocks in 1989

Otoh, Lebron played with the #6 rim protector in the league - Zydrunas averaged 2.1 blocks in 2005, while Mosgov, AD and Shaq averaged 1.5 or more... Chandler and McGee were also renowned rim protectors

Pointing out that fact seems to have legitimately broken 3ball to the point where he's had to try to deny it twice. And then above all else, try to claim that Mozgov averaged 1.5 BPG or more...which he didn't.

In fact, he's never done that at any point in his entire career.

[RRR3]

Lies

the most rim protection from a center that Jordan ever had was Dave Corzine's 0.8 blocks in 1988 and Cartwright's 0.5 blocks in 1989

Otoh, Lebron played with the #6 rim protector in the league - Zydrunas averaged 2.1 blocks in 2005, while Mosgov, AD and Shaq averaged 1.5 or more... Chandler and McGee were also renowned rim protectors

Lebron simply had far better rim protection than Jordan ever had, along with more athletic guards, more good rebounders and more players that were all-defense...
Horace Grant averaged 1.6 blocks in 1992. Liarball exposed again.

[RRR3]

Pointing out that fact seems to have legitimately broken 3ball to the point where he's had to try to deny it twice. And then above all else, try to claim that Mozgov averaged 1.5 BPG or more...which he didn't.

In fact, he's never done that at any point in his entire career.
If you stump him, he will just malfunction and copy and paste over and over. It’s pretty funny. He’s like a robot programmed by a moron.

[SaintzFury13]

None of his posts make any sense because they're not all true, yet you continue to feed the troll.

**** off with the troll nonsense. No troll spends this amount of time doing this same shit over and over again. When it was revealed to me that he had been doing this shit dating as far back as 2014, it became clear to me that he's not a troll.

[Axe]

**** off with the troll nonsense. No troll spends this amount of time doing this same shit over and over again. When it was revealed to me that he had been doing this shit dating as far back as 2014, it became clear to me that he's not a troll.
What? If he ain't a troll, then what is he? :confusedshrug:

[SaintzFury13]

What? If he ain't a troll, then what is he? :confusedshrug:

A retard.

[3ba11]

Pointing out that fact seems to have legitimately broken 3ball to the point where he's had to try to deny it twice. And then above all else, try to claim that Mozgov averaged 1.5 BPG or more...which he didn't.

In fact, he's never done that at any point in his entire career.


The bolded is incorrect but I won't call you a liar because I know you were going from memory - Mozgov averaged 1.8 blocks in the 2015 Playoffs - that's far better than anything Jordan ever had - infact, Mozgov turned the Cavs around that year when he arrived.

Ultimately, Lebron had many centers average 1.5 blocks or more, while Jordan had Horace get 1.6 one year and that's it

So Lebron had far superior rim protection than Jordan, while also having more athletic guards and more players with all-defense on their resume (more decorated defenders, aka Hughes, Battier, Wade, Varejao)

[Vino24]

The bolded is incorrect but I won't call you a liar because I know you were going from memory - Mozgov averaged 1.8 blocks in the 2015 Playoffs - that's far better than anything Jordan ever had - infact, Mozgov turned the Cavs around that year when he arrived.

Ultimately, Lebron had many centers average 1.5 blocks or more, while Jordan had Horace get 1.6 one year and that's it

So Lebron had far superior rim protection than Jordan, while also having more athletic guards and more players with all-defense on their resume (more decorated defenders, aka Hughes, Battier, Wade, Varejao)

No Pip no chip

[RRR3]

The bolded is incorrect but I won't call you a liar because I know you were going from memory - Mozgov averaged 1.8 blocks in the 2015 Playoffs - that's far better than anything Jordan ever had - infact, Mozgov turned the Cavs around that year when he arrived.

Ultimately, Lebron had many centers average 1.5 blocks or more, while Jordan had Horace get 1.6 one year and that's it

So Lebron had far superior rim protection than Jordan, while also having more athletic guards and more players with all-defense on their resume (more decorated defenders, aka Hughes, Battier, Wade, Varejao)
Kobe missed the playoffs with 3 all stars.

[SaintzFury13]

The bolded is incorrect but I won't call you a liar because I know you were going from memory

Actually no I'm not. Mozgov never averaged above 1.5 BPG at any point throughout his entire career in the regular season. Why am I going off regular season? Because that's what your dumbass tried to do before with Corzine and Cartwright. If you're going to cherry pick, then so am I.


- Mozgov averaged 1.8 blocks in the 2015 Playoffs - that's far better than anything Jordan ever had - infact, Mozgov turned the Cavs around that year when he arrived.

Ultimately, Lebron had many centers average 1.5 blocks or more, while Jordan had Horace get 1.6 one year and that's it

Annnddd you took the bait, because of course you would. I already knew you were talking about the 2015 playoffs, because I knew you'd be stupid enough to bring that up without doing any actual research on the matter. If you did, you would know that Horace Grant averaged 1.8 BPG for the 92 playoffs as a whole, which is, you guessed it, tied with what Mozgov did in 2015. In other words, not far better than what Jordan had at all. It's literally equal. Actually wait, no it isn't, because Horace Grant would go on to be an all defensive team member the very next season. He literally got better from that point on.

But hey, since we're cherry picking, lets continue shall we?

Luc Longley averaged 1.8 BPG in the 96 NBA Finals.
Horace Grant averaged 2.3 BPG in the 92 NBA Finals (as I pointed out before). But he also averaged 1.5 in the finals the very next season.
Scott Williams averaged 1.5 BPG in the 93 NBA Finals... as a roleplayer off the bench.
Scottie Pippen? Remember that guy? He averaged 1.8 BPG in the 97 Finals.

See how easy it is to cherry pick? See why that logic doesn't work? Of course you don't. If you did, you wouldn't mention how poor Pippen shot in the 96 finals without mentioning that he averaged 17 PPG on 46% in the 96 season, or even 20 PPG on 50% in 92 as the second option on offense, something LeBron never once had in his entire career.

But I know what you're thinking.

"But but but, Anthony Davis did that in 2020."

Yeah, in 62 games. Scottie Pippen did that playing all 82 games.

That's the kind of logic you use in your posts.


So Lebron had far superior rim protection than Jordan

No he didn't.


while also having more athletic guards and he played with more players that had all-defense on their resume (more decorated defenders, aka Hughes, Battier, Wade, Varejao)

All of those guys are worse defensively than Pippen and Grant. Just stop. You're continuing to embarrass yourself more and more with each post.

[3ba11]

Actually no I'm not. Mozgov never averaged above 1.5 BPG at any point throughout his entire career in the regular season. Why am I going off regular season? Because that's what your dumbass tried to do before with Corzine and Cartwright. If you're going to cherry pick, then so am I.



Annnddd you took the bait, because of course you would. I already knew you were talking about the 2015 playoffs, because I knew you'd be stupid enough to bring that up without doing any actual research on the matter. If you did, you would know that Horace Grant averaged 1.8 BPG for the 92 playoffs as a whole, which is, you guessed it, tied with what Mozgov did in 2015. In other words, not far better than what Jordan had at all. It's literally equal.

But hey, since we're cherry picking, lets continue shall we?

Luc Longley averaged 1.8 BPG in the 96 NBA Finals.
Horace Grant averaged 2.3 BPG in the 92 NBA Finals (as I pointed out before). But he also averaged 1.5 in the finals the very next season.
Scott Williams averaged 1.5 BPG in the 93 NBA Finals... as a roleplayer off the bench.
Scottie Pippen? Remember that guy? He averaged 1.8 BPG in the 97 Finals.

See how easy it is to cherry pick? See why that logic doesn't work? Of course you don't. If you did, you wouldn't mention how poor Pippen shot in the 96 finals without mentioning that he averaged 17 PPG on 46% in the 96 season, or even 20 PPG on 50% in 92 as the second option on offense, something LeBron never once had in his entire career.

But I know what you're thinking.

"But but but, Anthony Davis did that in 2020."

Yeah, in 62 games. Scottie Pippen did that playing all 82 games.

That's the kind of logic you use in your posts.



No he didn't.



All of those guys are worse defensively than Pippen and Grant. Just stop. You're continuing to embarrass yourself more and more with each post.


* Lebron had many teammates with shot-blocking reputations that averaged over 1 block AS A STANDARD (not a 1-off), including Zydrunas, Shaq, Mozgov, AD, Chandler and McGee, while Jordan never had a single player that you would call a "shot blocker" or anyone that averaged 1 block as a standard (except Horace, but he was a worse shot-blocker than all those guys I mentioned for Lebron).

* Lebron's 2nd options are far superior offensive players to Pippen, so I'm not sure why you posted Pippen's inferior stats - 17 ppg and 20 ppg is a joke compared to what Lebron had... Wade, Kyrie and AD matched or led Lebron in scoring for the 2011, 2016, and 2020 Playoffs - heck, Mo Williams averaged 18 on better efficiency than Pippen ever had during the 2009 regular season, and Mo was Lebron's 9th best sideckick (AD, Wade, Kyrie, Bosh, Allen, Love, Zydrunas, Hughes).

* 4 teammates with all-defender resumes is better than 2, so Lebron played with more good defenders, while also playing with more athletic guards and more good rebounders (Gooden, Boozer, Varejao, Shaq, Mozgov, Tristan, Love, Bosh, Birdman, Haslem, AD, Dwight, and more)

[Axe]

* Lebron had many guys with real reputations for blocking shots and many guys that averaged over 1 block AS A STANDARD (not a 1-off), including Zydrunas, Shaq, Mozgov, AD, Chandler and McGee, while Jordan never had a single player that you would call a "shot blocker" or anyone that averaged 1 block as a standard (except Horace, but he was a worse shot-blocker than all those guys I mentioned for Lebron).

* Lebron's 2nd options are far superior offensive players to Pippen, so I'm not sure why you posted Pippen's inferior stats - 17 ppg and 20 ppg is a joke compared to what Lebron had... Heck, Mo Williams averaged 18 on better efficiency than Pippen ever had, and Mo was Lebron's 9th best sideckick (AD, Wade, Kyrie, Bosh, Allen, Love, Zydrunas, Hughes).

* 4 teammates with all-defender resumes is better than 2, so Lebron played with more good defenders, while also playing with more athletic guards and more good rebounders (Gooden, Boozer, Varejao, Shaq, Mozgov, Tristan, Love, Bosh, Birdman, Haslem, AD, Dwight, and more)
Some weird copypasta shit.

[3ba11]

Actually no I'm not. Mozgov never averaged above 1.5 BPG at any point throughout his entire career in the regular season. Why am I going off regular season? Because that's what your dumbass tried to do before with Corzine and Cartwright. If you're going to cherry pick, then so am I.



Annnddd you took the bait, because of course you would. I already knew you were talking about the 2015 playoffs, because I knew you'd be stupid enough to bring that up without doing any actual research on the matter. If you did, you would know that Horace Grant averaged 1.8 BPG for the 92 playoffs as a whole, which is, you guessed it, tied with what Mozgov did in 2015. In other words, not far better than what Jordan had at all. It's literally equal.

But hey, since we're cherry picking, lets continue shall we?

Luc Longley averaged 1.8 BPG in the 96 NBA Finals.
Horace Grant averaged 2.3 BPG in the 92 NBA Finals (as I pointed out before). But he also averaged 1.5 in the finals the very next season.
Scott Williams averaged 1.5 BPG in the 93 NBA Finals... as a roleplayer off the bench.
Scottie Pippen? Remember that guy? He averaged 1.8 BPG in the 97 Finals.

See how easy it is to cherry pick? See why that logic doesn't work? Of course you don't. If you did, you wouldn't mention how poor Pippen shot in the 96 finals without mentioning that he averaged 17 PPG on 46% in the 96 season, or even 20 PPG on 50% in 92 as the second option on offense, something LeBron never once had in his entire career.

But I know what you're thinking.

"But but but, Anthony Davis did that in 2020."

Yeah, in 62 games. Scottie Pippen did that playing all 82 games.

That's the kind of logic you use in your posts.



No he didn't.



All of those guys are worse defensively than Pippen and Grant. Just stop. You're continuing to embarrass yourself more and more with each post.


* Lebron had many teammates with shot-blocking reputations that averaged over 1 block AS A STANDARD (not a 1-off), including Zydrunas, Shaq, Mozgov, AD, Chandler and McGee, while Jordan never had a single player that you would call a "shot blocker" or anyone that averaged 1 block as a standard (except Horace, but he was a worse shot-blocker than all those guys I mentioned for Lebron).

* Lebron's 2nd options are far superior offensive players to Pippen, so I'm not sure why you posted Pippen's inferior stats - 17 ppg and 20 ppg is a joke compared to what Lebron had... Wade, Kyrie and AD matched or led Lebron in scoring for the 2011, 2016, and 2020 Playoffs - heck, Mo Williams averaged 18 on better efficiency than Pippen ever had during the 2009 regular season, and Mo was Lebron's 9th best sideckick (AD, Wade, Kyrie, Bosh, Allen, Love, Zydrunas, Hughes).

* 4 teammates with all-defender resumes is better than 2, so Lebron played with more good defenders, while also playing with more athletic guards and more good rebounders (Gooden, Boozer, Varejao, Shaq, Mozgov, Tristan, Love, Bosh, Birdman, Haslem, AD, Dwight, and more)

[3ba11]

Some weird copypasta shit.


none of it is copy paste - you just can't respond to the facts and you're embarassed that I destroyed Saintz again (your alt)

[RRR3]

Kobe had a 3rd AND 4th star in 2004 and 2013, how’d he do? He had a third star in 2012 too, didn’t end well.
Holy shit he legit can’t answer this. Snivelly.

[SaintzFury13]

* Lebron had many teammates with shot-blocking reputations that averaged over 1 block AS A STANDARD (not a 1-off), including Zydrunas, Shaq, Mozgov, AD, Chandler and McGee, while Jordan never had a single player that you would call a "shot blocker" or anyone that averaged 1 block as a standard (except Horace, but he was a worse shot-blocker than all those guys I mentioned for Lebron).

* Lebron's 2nd options are far superior offensive players to Pippen, so I'm not sure why you posted Pippen's inferior stats - 17 ppg and 20 ppg is a joke compared to what Lebron had... Wade, Kyrie and AD matched or led Lebron in scoring for the 2011, 2016, and 2020 Playoffs - heck, Mo Williams averaged 18 on better efficiency than Pippen ever had during the 2009 regular season, and Mo was Lebron's 9th best sideckick (AD, Wade, Kyrie, Bosh, Allen, Love, Zydrunas, Hughes).

* 4 teammates with all-defender resumes is better than 2, so Lebron played with more good defenders, while also playing with more athletic guards and more good rebounders (Gooden, Boozer, Varejao, Shaq, Mozgov, Tristan, Love, Bosh, Birdman, Haslem, AD, Dwight, and more)

And this, ladies and gents, is what a literal meltdown by a man who knows he's lost the debate.

[SaintzFury13]

none of it is copy paste - you just can't respond to the facts and you're embarassed that I destroyed Saintz again (your alt)

You literally posted it twice. That's the very definition of copy and paste.

Also, you literally just called all of your other past arguments with that post. All you've managed to do is kill your credibility even further.

[Axe]

none of it is copy paste - you just can't respond to the facts and you're embarassed that I destroyed Saintz again (your alt)
Says the 43 year old geek who's so obsessed about king kong and tree trunk pippen.

[3ba11]

Kobe had a 3rd AND 4th star in 2004 and 2013, how’d he do? He had a third star in 2012 too, didn’t end well.


Kobe had a couple Finals losses - but none of them as bad as 2011 or 2007... Or as severe as 2014... Or with a super-team in 2017... or couldn't command doubles and shot like garbage as 1st option in 2015 (let his matchup and bench player win FMVP)

So Lebron is the king of losers because he's lost every way imagineable (with 1 seeds, super-teams, favorite, matchup wins FMVP - you name it)

[RRR3]

Kobe had a couple Finals losses - but none of them as bad as 2011 or 2007... Or as severe as 2014... Or with a super-team in 2017... or couldn't command doubles and shot like garbage as 1st option in 2015 (let his matchup and bench player win FMVP)

So Lebron is the king of losers because he's lost every way imagineable (with 1 seeds, super-teams, favorite, matchup wins FMVP - you name it)
Kobe lost with Shaq averaging 27 PPG on 63% :roll:

[3ba11]

Kobe lost with Shaq averaging 27 PPG on 63% :roll:


Lebron lost with Wade getting 27 ppg in the 11' Finals and a 3rd star in Bosh (big 3)..

Then he did it again in 2017!!!!

It's called sucking bruh... Imagine losing with shaq-like 27 ppg and a 3rd star... TWICE... :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Lebron lost with Wade getting 27 ppg in the 11' Finals and a 3rd star in Bosh (big 3)..

Then he did it again in 2017!!!!

It's called sucking bruh... Imagine losing with shaq-like 27 ppg and a 3rd star... TWICE... :oldlol:
Kobe had a 3rd AND a fourth star in 2004 :eek:


Imagine blaming LeBron for 2017 lol. The Warriors had more stars anyways, so even by your own dumb metric that doesn’t make sense.

[3ba11]

Kobe had a 3rd AND a fourth star in 2004 :eek:


Imagine blaming LeBron for 2017 lol. The Warriors had more stars anyways, so even by your own dumb metric that doesn’t make sense.



Lebron 2017 Finals.... 34 ppg... 100 pace... 115 DRTG
Jordan 1998 Finals.... 34 ppg..... 82 pace... 105 DRTG
Jordan 1993 Finals.... 41 ppg..... 89 pace... 113 DRTG


* Lebron's 33 ppg is weak considering the 17' Finals was among the fastest pace and DRTG's ever for a Finals

* He simply couldn't outplay KD, so he lost

* His your-turn-my-turn approach with Kyrie squandered Kyrie's 29 ppg - losing brands simply lose

* Dray isn't a star, so both teams were evenly matched in the star department (3 stars each)

* if we only look at the highest level of comp (Finals), Kyrie is top 25 all-time player at worst... :confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

Lebron 2017 Finals.... 33 ppg... 100 pace... 115 DRTG
Jordan 1998 Finals.... 34 ppg..... 82 pace... 105 DRTG
Jordan 1993 Finals.... 41 ppg..... 89 pace... 113 DRTG


* Lebron's 33 ppg is weak considering the 17' Finals was among the fastest pace and DRTG's ever for a Finals

* He simply couldn't outplay KD, so he lost

* His your-turn-my-turn approach with Kyrie squandered Kyrie's 29 ppg - losing brands simply lose

* Dray isn't a star, so both teams were evenly matched in the star department (3 stars each)

* if we only look at the highest level of comp (Finals), Kyrie is top 25 all-time player at worst... :confusedshrug:
Why’d you run back to your MJ binky, lil fella? Couldn’t defend Kobe’s GOAT choke in 2004?

[3ba11]

Why’d you run back to your MJ binky, lil fella? Couldn’t defend Kobe’s GOAT choke in 2004?


Malone and Payton weren't stars in 2004 - they were fossils... :facepalm:... And Malone was actually doing okay but he got hurt for the first time in his career because he was OLD

So it was just Shaq/Kobe in the 2004 Finals, and their strategy (shaq-ball) was opposite of the winning strategy (kobe-ball)... If Shaq had feuded with 06' Wade, he would've butchered that ring just like he butchered 2004

[Axe]

Malone and Payton weren't stars in 2004 - they were fossils... :facepalm:... And Malone was actually doing okay but he got hurt for the first time in his career because he was OLD

So it was just Shaq/Kobe in the 2004 Finals, and their strategy (shaq-ball) was opposite of the winning strategy (kobe-ball)... If Shaq had feuded with 06' Wade, he would've butchered that ring just like he butchered 2004
You dickheads still on it? :(

[RRR3]

Malone and Payton weren't stars in 2004 - they were fossils... :facepalm:... And Malone was actually doing okay but he got hurt for the first time in his career because he was OLD

So it was just Shaq/Kobe in the 2004 Finals, and their strategy (shaq-ball) was opposite of the winning strategy (kobe-ball)... If Shaq had feuded with 06' Wade, he would've butchered that ring just like he butchered 2004
Malone and Payton both came off seasons averaging 20 PPG. They took on lesser roles on a stacked team. You wouldn’t give LeBron an excuse for having teammates like that so why does Kobe get it? Almost as if you hold LeBron to a higher standard :eek:

[Manny98]

Poor RRR3 has dedicated his entire painful existence to following 3ball around like a lapdog in every thread :roll:

He even has more posts than him in his own thread

https://i.postimg.cc/446Bnx2N/Screenshot-20211015-095441.jpg

[Axe]

Poor RRR3 has dedicated his entire painful existence to following 3ball around like a lapdog in every thread :roll:

He even has more posts than him in his own thread

https://i.postimg.cc/446Bnx2N/Screenshot-20211015-095441.jpg
https://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/laughing-like-a-king-homer-simpson.gif

[8Ball]

Which finals does LeBron win averaging 2 assists and 4 rebounds?

0.

Ain't happening against the dynasties.

Thread cliffs:

Bron wins 0 championships averaging 4 rebounds and 2 assists.

[Ne 1]

First, you'd have to show me which Finals that LeBron will play in where the opposing teams 2nd option scores 10ppg like Jeff Hornacek, and the rest of the team was in single digits.

All these finger gymnastics to prove a pointless point. Lmao.

[SaintzFury13]

Malone and Payton weren't stars in 2004 - they were fossils... :facepalm:... And Malone was actually doing okay but he got hurt for the first time in his career because he was OLD

So it was just Shaq/Kobe in the 2004 Finals, and their strategy (shaq-ball) was opposite of the winning strategy (kobe-ball)... If Shaq had feuded with 06' Wade, he would've butchered that ring just like he butchered 2004

You have yet to explain how 2004 was Shaq's fault. Kobe shot the ball more than he did, and yet he averaged less points on worse efficiency. What you are saying LA should have done is literally what they did and it's why they lost. So far, nothing you've said has changed that.



Lebron 2017 Finals.... 34 ppg... 100 pace... 115 DRTG
Jordan 1998 Finals.... 34 ppg..... 82 pace... 105 DRTG
Jordan 1993 Finals.... 41 ppg..... 89 pace... 113 DRTG


* Lebron's 33 ppg is weak considering the 17' Finals was among the fastest pace and DRTG's ever for a Finals

33 PPG in an NBA Finals series is great, no matter what the circumstances are and no matter what the pace is. Don't be a retard.


He simply couldn't outplay KD, so he lost

First off, yeah he did. Kevin Durant averaging two more points doesn't mean anything considering the fact that LeBron averaged a triple double for the series. Going by your own logic, they had similar scoring load since it was within a five point difference. In other words, he out produced Durant. You don't get to cherry pick.

Second, you're acting like Jordan or even Kobe for that matter would have beaten this team. Kobe couldn't even beat the Pistons... who had NO all stars compared to the Warriors 4. Meanwhile, Jordan never could win without a Pippen and Grant/Rodman on his team.


His your-turn-my-turn approach with Kyrie squandered Kyrie's 29 ppg - losing brands simply lost

"Squandered Kyrie's 29 PPG".

You're an idiot.


Dray isn't a star, so both teams were evenly matched in the star department (3 stars each)

You want to give other people shit for lying and then say this nonsense. Draymond was an all star in 2017 (and 2018 too). It was four stars to three. Don't be a retard.


if we only look at the highest level of comp (Finals), Kyrie is top 25 all-time player at worst... :confusedshrug:

https://media2.giphy.com/media/EcP3Kz4aXfzdcrWoqN/giphy.gif?cid=790b7611efcfced3e193d69f1d93e6dd8cf0 0e80fda8bafc&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

Okay? If we only look at the highest level of comp, none of Jordan's finals opponents crack the top 30 mark.

[Phoenix]

That was just 1 ring - Kobe has 4 others

And Mark Jackson said the Pacers would've won in 7 games if Kobe doesn't prevent the series from going 7 with his heroics in the OT

Oh well that settles that then.