Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #25

[dankok8]

List

#1 - Michael Jordan
#2 - Lebron James
#3 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
#4 - Bill Russell
#5 - Wilt Chamberlain
#6 - Magic Johnson
#7 - Shaquille O'Neal
#8 - Tim Duncan
#9 - Larry Bird
#10 - Hakeem Olajuwon
#11 - Kobe Bryant
#12 - Stephen Curry
#13 - Oscar Robertson
#14 - Jerry West
#15 - Moses Malone
#16 - Julius Erving
#17 - Kevin Durant
#18 - Kevin Garnett
#19 - Karl Malone
#20 - Dirk Nowitzki
#21 - Charles Barkley
#22 - David Robinson
#23 - Dwyane Wade
#24 - Elgin Baylor
#25 - VOTING NOW

Top 50 Player Pool

For an updated player pool and vote breakdowns see the link (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ARaI3VCNauULLYL1Yu24HIRY768FYQdip56sp6uRFGk/edit?usp=sharing).

Everyone may post in this thread but only votes from serious contributors will be considered. Not everyone has to write an essay but there should be some justification or explanation and some coherent arguments being presented. I encourage people to be open-minded and willing to adjust their rankings in response to strong evidence. Debate and discussion is encouraged.

Opening Vote Tally

Scottie Pippen - 6 (Ryoka Narusawa, 8Ball, ELITEpower23, Lbj, TheCorporation, OOO)
Kawhi Leonard - 3 (kawhileonard2, HBK_Kliq_2, Honor Boost)
Bob Pettit - 2 (SouBeachTalents, jlip)
Chris Paul - 2 (RRR3, 1987_Lakers)
Giannis Antetokounmpo - 2 (gonzaldo, Phoenix)
Bob Cousy - 1 (Magic is Magic)
John Havlicek - 1 (Jasper)

[dankok8]

Give me Havlicek who was basically a Pippen on steroids... great ball handler and defender but much better scorer and had way better longevity.

[Manny98]

Giannis

[Nike D'Antoni]

Isiah Thomas (Detroit Pistons)

[AussieSteve]

Giannis

Not a fan, but you can't keep a guy with 2 mvps, a dpoy and an fmvp out of this list any longer

[Honor Boost]

Isiah Thomas (Detroit Pistons)

He's not even top 50. You are voting for IT over Kawhi Goat?

[Nike D'Antoni]

He's not even top 50. You are voting for IT over Kawhi Goat?

Really? Literally, every list has him top 30. He is 2x champion. Had a nice rivalry with Michael Jordan.
We wanna vote CP-Zero now over Zeke Double Champion? Come on!

[L.Kizzle]

I'm torn on this next vote.

[Thenameless]

Wow. It's starting to get a lot tougher now.

I'll vote for Giannis Antetokounmpo.

[Thenameless]

Giannis

Not a fan, but you can't keep a guy with 2 mvps, a dpoy and an fmvp out of this list any longer

Exactly. For a fairly young player, you're already seeing a Hall of Fame resume. I don't like just counting awards because some eras have stiffer competition, but at some point it can't be ignored.

[jlip]

Bob Pettit here.
Giannis is next for me then probably Havlicek followed by Pippen.

[hold this L]

Isiah Thomas (Detroit Pistons)

Correct answer

[RRR3]

Correct answer
RRRRRRANGZZZZ DOEEE!!!!!



:facepalm

[Phoenix]

He's not even top 50. You are voting for IT over Kawhi Goat?

I'm off the 'Isiah is top 25' train, especially in 2021, but let's not go all the way to the other end of the spectrum HBK_Klit.

[Phoenix]

Pippen with 6, Giannis with 5....

[SaintzFury13]

I gotta go with Pippen on this one.

[Chick Stern]

Isiah

[SouBeachTalents]

ISH has done really well on this list for the most part, but I'm starting to really disagree with the votes coming in. Rankings are obv subjective, and it's not like it's some outrage for the guys who are getting votes now to be put in the top 25. But I just don't see how guys like Isiah & Pippen are getting top 25 consideration when there's really no metric; production, resume, advanced numbers etc. that would put them in this spot. Giannis would certainly have that, but I would honestly feel grimy putting him that high after such a blatantly fluky title. No way would he be getting top 25 votes without it.

I'm honestly shocked guys like Harden & Barry have zero votes right now when, rangz aside, their individual resumes are as good as virtually anybody else still remaining. And personally, I'd vote for guys like Pettit, Hondo, CP3 & Kawhi over the likes of Pip & Isiah.

[1987_Lakers]

ISH has done really well on this list for the most part, but I'm starting to really disagree with the votes coming in. Rankings are obv subjective, and it's not like it's some outrage for the guys who are getting votes now to be put in the top 25. But I just don't see how guys like Isiah & Pippen are getting top 25 consideration when there's really no metric; production, resume, advanced numbers etc. that would put them in this spot. Giannis would certainly have that, but I would honestly feel grimy putting him that high after such a blatantly fluky title. No way would he be getting top 25 votes without it.

I'm honestly shocked guys like Harden & Barry have zero votes right now when, rangz aside, their individual resumes are as good as virtually anybody else still remaining. And personally, I'd vote for guys like Pettit, Hondo, CP3 & Kawhi over the likes of Pip & Isiah.

I agree, seems weird to see Pippen getting the majority of votes when there are clearly better players out there. Isiah is also overrated due to his rings in an era of MJ, Magic, & Bird, but once you take a deeper look on how Isiah performed during his team's back to back title runs, you come off kinda of unimpressed with him, Detroit was loaded as a team.

Harden always gets the most illogical hate, yes his style of play and aloof personality turns alot of people off, but there is no doubt as far as on court production, he is one of the elites of the elites.

[SouBeachTalents]

I agree, seems weird to see Pippen getting the majority of votes when there are clearly better players out there. Isiah is also overrated due to his rings in an era of MJ, Magic, & Bird, but once you take a deeper look on how Isiah performed during his team's back to back title runs, you come off kinda of unimpressed with him, Detroit was loaded as a team.

Harden always gets the most illogical hate, yes his style of play and aloof personality turns alot of people off, but there is no doubt as far as on court production, he is one of the elites of the elites.
If you were to rank the playoff run of every title team's best player since the merger/3 point line, with the exception of the '04 Pistons & '14 Spurs, Isiah would legitimately have the worst two, or be very close to it (esp '89). Of the guys still remaining Hondo, Barry & Kawhi all have title runs that were clearly better and/or more impressive than Isiah's, so the rangz argument just doesn't hold up for him imo

[SaintzFury13]

ISH has done really well on this list for the most part, but I'm starting to really disagree with the votes coming in. Rankings are obv subjective, and it's not like it's some outrage for the guys who are getting votes now to be put in the top 25. But I just don't see how guys like Isiah & Pippen are getting top 25 consideration when there's really no metric; production, resume, advanced numbers etc. that would put them in this spot. Giannis would certainly have that, but I would honestly feel grimy putting him that high after such a blatantly fluky title. No way would he be getting top 25 votes without it.

I'm honestly shocked guys like Harden & Barry have zero votes right now when, rangz aside, their individual resumes are as good as virtually anybody else still remaining. And personally, I'd vote for guys like Pettit, Hondo, CP3 & Kawhi over the likes of Pip & Isiah.

Guys like Paul and Hondo definitely need more consideration. But to me, there isn't anything really wrong with putting Pippen at 25, assuming that's how this vote goes. The thing that's tricky with him is that his best days were always as a secondary to Jordan. The sample size for what he could do as the best player on a team is very small, but what we get is pretty incredible. 3rd in MVP voting in the first year, losing his all star teammate and still keeping his team around .500 the following year are great feats. He's the best defensive player (and arguably the best all around player) who still hasn't been slotted yet.

And we need to keep in mind that career achievements are still very important here. The man has 6 championships and, what, 8 or 9 all defensive team selections? 7 all NBA selections? He was even the steals leader in 95. For a guy who spent most of his career as the second best player on his team, that's an absurd resume. If a guy like Baylor, who I did concede deserves recognition over Pippen, is getting in already just based mostly on inflated stats from an era that made that possible, I see no reason as to why Pippen doesn't deserve consideration at this point. At least, that's my line of thinking on the matter.

I will say however that it is weird that guys like Paul and Hondo aren't receiving the same type of consideration yet. Pettit is also another name who should be getting more votes this time around. Kawhi doesn't deserve any votes right now, and shouldn't be getting any type of consideration until we get past the 30 mark.

[SaintzFury13]

I agree, seems weird to see Pippen getting the majority of votes when there are clearly better players out there. Isiah is also overrated due to his rings in an era of MJ, Magic, & Bird, but once you take a deeper look on how Isiah performed during his team's back to back title runs, you come off kinda of unimpressed with him, Detroit was loaded as a team.

Harden always gets the most illogical hate, yes his style of play and aloof personality turns alot of people off, but there is no doubt as far as on court production, he is one of the elites of the elites.

I wouldn't call Harden hate illogical. There are a lot of people, myself included, who heavily dislike his style of play and we're going to likely see a slide in production this year with his favorite type of fouls now being taken away (well that and he's playing with Durant but you get my point). But my main reason for not liking him is the simple fact that there is a huge difference between regular season Harden and playoff Harden.

[SaintzFury13]

This is a name that I just randomly thought of, but determining where Steve Nash belongs at this point will probably be the most tricky part about this list. Nash is one of the top 5 most skilled point guards of all time and has won the MVP award twice, but he never won a ring as a player and was horrific defensively.

[Phoenix]

ISH has done really well on this list for the most part, but I'm starting to really disagree with the votes coming in. Rankings are obv subjective, and it's not like it's some outrage for the guys who are getting votes now to be put in the top 25. But I just don't see how guys like Isiah & Pippen are getting top 25 consideration when there's really no metric; production, resume, advanced numbers etc. that would put them in this spot. Giannis would certainly have that, but I would honestly feel grimy putting him that high after such a blatantly fluky title. No way would he be getting top 25 votes without it.

I'm honestly shocked guys like Harden & Barry have zero votes right now when, rangz aside, their individual resumes are as good as virtually anybody else still remaining. And personally, I'd vote for guys like Pettit, Hondo, CP3 & Kawhi over the likes of Pip & Isiah.

I put more stock in Giannis having two MVPs, a DPOY and his numbers. The chip should be the least consideration but I do feel like everything else he's done *minus* the title gets him top 30 consideration. At that point it's about how much stock one chooses to put into the title/FMVP given the conditions.

This actually is the fun part of the exercise though, because we're really getting into the nitty-gritty. The top 10/15 are generally pretty easy to rank, but now we're at the 'just below the elite of the elite but still all-time great level' and there's just a big clump of guys who realistically could be ranked 20-30.

[Round Mound]

Isiah

[Phoenix]

:pimp:

[RRR3]

ISH has done really well on this list for the most part, but I'm starting to really disagree with the votes coming in. Rankings are obv subjective, and it's not like it's some outrage for the guys who are getting votes now to be put in the top 25. But I just don't see how guys like Isiah & Pippen are getting top 25 consideration when there's really no metric; production, resume, advanced numbers etc. that would put them in this spot. Giannis would certainly have that, but I would honestly feel grimy putting him that high after such a blatantly fluky title. No way would he be getting top 25 votes without it.

I'm honestly shocked guys like Harden & Barry have zero votes right now when, rangz aside, their individual resumes are as good as virtually anybody else still remaining. And personally, I'd vote for guys like Pettit, Hondo, CP3 & Kawhi over the likes of Pip & Isiah.
You should know by know ISH is full of absolute ****ing morons who are blinded by RANGZ. No one uses context here outside of a few.

[aceman]

Pippen

[aceman]

I agree, seems weird to see Pippen getting the majority of votes when there are clearly better players out there. Isiah is also overrated due to his rings in an era of MJ, Magic, & Bird, but once you take a deeper look on how Isiah performed during his team's back to back title runs, you come off kinda of unimpressed with him, Detroit was loaded as a team.

Harden always gets the most illogical hate, yes his style of play and aloof personality turns alot of people off, but there is no doubt as far as on court production, he is one of the elites of the elites.

That is ur opinion. Others disagree

[BigShotBob]

I agree, seems weird to see Pippen getting the majority of votes when there are clearly better players out there. Isiah is also overrated due to his rings in an era of MJ, Magic, & Bird, but once you take a deeper look on how Isiah performed during his team's back to back title runs, you come off kinda of unimpressed with him, Detroit was loaded as a team.

Harden always gets the most illogical hate, yes his style of play and aloof personality turns alot of people off, but there is no doubt as far as on court production, he is one of the elites of the elites.

You literally haven't watched the games if you think so. He was the best combination of scoring and passing pg in his era, he was also a dog defensively and extremely clutch with ATG handles.

Literally no one here knows how good Zeke really was which is par for the course really.

My vote is Isiah

[Phoenix]

Scottie has 8, been a few days now. On to #26?

[dankok8]

Right now Pippen has 8, Giannis 5, Isiah 4... I'll close in a few more hours if no more votes come in.

I do find it a bit strange that Lbj and aceman never voted for anyone before Pippen. But at this point I'm leaning towards counting their votes. Pippen feels a bit high at #25 but not a weird choice. There is an argument especially with taking into account 6 rings. I myself don't value beta rings that highly.

[dankok8]

By the way here are Isiah's numbers in his three finals appearances.

1988: 19.7 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 9.0 apg, 2.9 spg on 51.7 %TS (-2.1 rTS) with 3.7 topg
1989: 21.3 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 7.3 apg, 1.5 spg on 55.2 %TS (+1.5 rTS) with 2.5 topg
1990: 27.6 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 7.0 apg, 1.6 spg on 62.9 %TS (+9.2 rTS) with 5.0 topg

Average: 22.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 8.0 apg, 2.1 spg on 56.4 %TS (+2.7 rTS) with 3.8 topg

[L.Kizzle]

Right now Pippen has 8, Giannis 5, Isiah 4... I'll close in a few more hours if no more votes come in.

I do find it a bit strange that Lbj and aceman never voted for anyone before Pippen. But at this point I'm leaning towards counting their votes. Pippen feels a bit high at #25 but not a weird choice. There is an argument especially with taking into account 6 rings. I myself don't value beta rings that highly.
A number 2 over a number 1, especially from the same era is weird.
Pippen over Isiah. Nope.

[SouBeachTalents]

Of those choices, I’ll vote Giannis

[SaintzFury13]

Right now Pippen has 8, Giannis 5, Isiah 4... I'll close in a few more hours if no more votes come in.

I do find it a bit strange that Lbj and aceman never voted for anyone before Pippen. But at this point I'm leaning towards counting their votes. Pippen feels a bit high at #25 but not a weird choice. There is an argument especially with taking into account 6 rings. I myself don't value beta rings that highly.

If you're going to count the votes for Kawhi, then it's only fair to count those votes too.

[ELITEpower23]

Biased OP is tainting this..

Pippen #25

Next

[ClipperRevival]

So much recency bias, which indicates the age of this board.

Havlicek.

8 rings
1 FMVP
8 - All-NBA Defense
And you can argue he was the best player on 2-3 more chips based on what you value more. Russell's D or Havlicek's overall game.

Pip has REALLY become the single most overrated player ever due to the Bron fans.

:facepalm

[ClipperRevival]

List

#1 - Michael Jordan
#2 - Lebron James
#3 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
#4 - Bill Russell
#5 - Wilt Chamberlain
#6 - Magic Johnson
#7 - Shaquille O'Neal
#8 - Tim Duncan
#9 - Larry Bird
#10 - Hakeem Olajuwon
#11 - Kobe Bryant
#12 - Stephen Curry
#13 - Oscar Robertson
#14 - Jerry West
#15 - Moses Malone
#16 - Julius Erving
#17 - Kevin Durant
#18 - Kevin Garnett
#19 - Karl Malone
#20 - Dirk Nowitzki
#21 - Charles Barkley
#22 - David Robinson
#23 - Dwyane Wade
#24 - Elgin Baylor
#25 - VOTING NOW

Top 50 Player Pool

For an updated player pool and vote breakdowns see the link (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ARaI3VCNauULLYL1Yu24HIRY768FYQdip56sp6uRFGk/edit?usp=sharing).

Everyone may post in this thread but only votes from serious contributors will be considered. Not everyone has to write an essay but there should be some justification or explanation and some coherent arguments being presented. I encourage people to be open-minded and willing to adjust their rankings in response to strong evidence. Debate and discussion is encouraged.

Opening Vote Tally

Scottie Pippen - 6 (Ryoka Narusawa, 8Ball, ELITEpower23, Lbj, TheCorporation, OOO)
Kawhi Leonard - 3 (kawhileonard2, HBK_Kliq_2, Honor Boost)
Bob Pettit - 2 (SouBeachTalents, jlip)
Chris Paul - 2 (RRR3, 1987_Lakers)
Giannis Antetokounmpo - 2 (gonzaldo, Phoenix)
Bob Cousy - 1 (Magic is Magic)
John Havlicek - 1 (Jasper)

Wheels voting 6 times for Pip. :roll:

[1987_Lakers]

You literally haven't watched the games if you think so. He was the best combination of scoring and passing pg in his era, he was also a dog defensively and extremely clutch with ATG handles.

Literally no one here knows how good Zeke really was which is par for the course really.

My vote is Isiah

He played like dog shit the majority of the '88 Finals besides the game where he wrekt his ankle, he wet the bed every time he went up against Chicago in the playoffs and was usually bailed out by his defense. The '90 Finals was the one moment during Detroit's back to back title runs where you can say he shined, but he was very inconsistent throughout their deep playoff runs from '88-'90.

And we already know we can't take your opinions seriously.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?483825-Stick-a-fork-in-Giannis

[ClipperRevival]

He played like dog shit the majority of the '88 Finals besides the game where he wrekt his ankle, he wet the bed every time he went up against Chicago in the playoffs and was usually bailed out by his defense. The '90 Finals was the one moment during Detroit's back to back title runs where you can say he shined, but he was very inconsistent throughout their deep playoff runs from '88-'90.

And we already know we can't take your opinions seriously.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?483825-Stick-a-fork-in-Giannis

You kids should really stop talking about a player you never saw play live.

Besides, i put you kids in your place in that Isiah/CP3 thread. Please continue to stick to "errr PER".

[1987_Lakers]

You kids should really stop talking about a player you never saw play live.

Besides, i put you kids in your place in that Isiah/CP3 thread. Please continue to stick to "errr PER".

I remember that thread, you immediately started to ignore me once I presented fact after fact why CP3 was better. :oldlol:

[ClipperRevival]

I remember that thread, you immediately started to ignore me once I presented fact after fact why CP3 was better. :oldlol:

I know and I already admitted it. It's the, "err PER" argument. Keep sticking to it, it's cute and represents what most newbies look at.

[1987_Lakers]

I know and I already admitted it. It's the, "err PER" argument. Keep sticking to it, it's cute and represents what most newbies look at.

Oh yea, nothing about the fact that CP3 is vastly more efficient scorer, a much better shooter, & a superior defender.

[ClipperRevival]

Oh yea, nothing about the fact that CP3 is vastly more efficient scorer, a much better shooter, & a superior defender.

He's also the superior...

https://c.tenor.com/UTgqmwvgzsEAAAAS/choke-reggie-miller.gif

[1987_Lakers]

He's also the superior...

https://c.tenor.com/UTgqmwvgzsEAAAAS/choke-reggie-miller.gif

You sure about that?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LtBXYtgRpo

[RRR3]

1987 Lakers brutally bullying Skip Bayless…errr I mean clipperrevival

[RRR3]

You sure about that?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LtBXYtgRpo
He doesn’t remember any of this. His opinions are fed to him by Skip Bayless.

[ClipperRevival]

But seriously, if you never saw a guy play, you really shouldn't give an opinion unless if you really studied up. I get it that bball ref is all you can go by and in that sense, Zeke doesn't look impressive. But anyone who saw him play knows what he was. A straight killer, who led from the front and just brought it every night. His impact was much greater than his stats. And no, I can't prove it with stats. It's the eyeball test. Well, I kind of can given his team's 2 chips.

But anyways stuck to "PER". It's Colin Cowherd/Nick Wright analysis.

[RRR3]

KILLA DILLA PSYCHO THRILLA CLUTCH JEAN ASSASSIN RRRRRRANGZZZZ DOE!
Like talking to a NPC :oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

But seriously, if you never saw a guy play, you really shouldn't give an opinion unless if you really studied up. I get it that bball ref is all you can go by and in that sense, Zeke doesn't look impressive. But anyone who saw him play knows what he was. A straight killer, who led from the front and just brought it every night. His impact was much greater than his stats. And no, I can't prove it with stats. It's the eyeball test. Well, I kind of can given his team's 2 chips.

But anyways stuck to "PER". It's Colin Cowherd/Nick Wright analysis.

Dude, I watched the '88 Finals in its entirety and most of the Bulls-Pistons playoff battles and I came away really unimpressed with Isiah given the reputation he has. I was an 80's NBA junkie when I was younger, just look at my username.

[aceman]

Right now Pippen has 8, Giannis 5, Isiah 4... I'll close in a few more hours if no more votes come in.

I do find it a bit strange that Lbj and aceman never voted for anyone before Pippen. But at this point I'm leaning towards counting their votes. Pippen feels a bit high at #25 but not a weird choice. There is an argument especially with taking into account 6 rings. I myself don't value beta rings that highly.

Wtf is a beta ring?! Pippen was chief ball handler, defensive leader & main stopper plus second option on offense. Huge contributor to 6 championships

[aceman]

A number 2 over a number 1, especially from the same era is weird.
Pippen over Isiah. Nope.

How many pure scorers does Stockton or Nash or Johnson rank ahead of?! You overate one facit of game

[Phoenix]

We're not onto #26 yet??

[Gudo]

No GOAT lists should have Pippen ahead of Isiah. I go for Isiah. What he did as an alpha in Detroit >>> what Pippen did as a beta in Chi. Post Chicago, that showed what Pippen could have been had he not played with MJ. Not in the same level as a leader and competitor.

[Kobe_Bryant]

hey you guys wanna maybe vote for a white guy like mikan, Pettit, havlicek, cousy, Stockton.. or are you just gonna keep voting guys like pippen way above where they should be

[dankok8]

Alright our three finalists are:

Scottie Pippen - 8 (Ryoka Narusawa, 8Ball, ELITEpower23, Lbj, TheCorporation, OOO, SaintzFury13, aceman)
Giannis Antetokounmpo - 6 (gonzaldo, Phoenix, Manny98, AussieSteve, Thenameless, SouBeachTalents)
Isiah Thomas - 5 (Nike D'Antoni, Chick Stern, Round Mound, BigShotBob, Gudo)

The last several threads we waited for at least ten votes to crown a winner so I'll give it a few more hours. Giannis has terrible longevity but he does have 3 seasons at an all-time level so he's already leapfrogged someone like Bill Walton. I might change my vote to Giannis to expedite this but it still feels weird with longevity that bad. He isn't top 25 yet...

[000]

Man, why not just say voting for Pippen is illegal and give the spot to Giannis so everyone can move on?

[Phoenix]

Alright our three finalists are:

Scottie Pippen - 8 (Ryoka Narusawa, 8Ball, ELITEpower23, Lbj, TheCorporation, OOO, SaintzFury13, aceman)
Giannis Antetokounmpo - 6 (gonzaldo, Phoenix, Manny98, AussieSteve, Thenameless, SouBeachTalents)
Isiah Thomas - 5 (Nike D'Antoni, Chick Stern, Round Mound, BigShotBob, Gudo)

The last several threads we waited for at least ten votes to crown a winner so I'll give it a few more hours. Giannis has terrible longevity but he does have 3 seasons at an all-time level so he's already leapfrogged someone like Bill Walton. I might change my vote to Giannis to expedite this but it still feels weird with longevity that bad. He isn't top 25 yet...

It's kind of a quality vs quantity argument. Remove the chip since that's a point of contention for some, he still has 2 MVPs, a DPOY and like 5 seasons of early/mid 90's David Robinson numbers( less blocks but more assists). He's going into his 9th season so it's not like he's a new kid on the block either despite still being young.

[L.Kizzle]

Isiah Thomas.

[jlip]

Giannis

[Honor Boost]

Alright our three finalists are:

Scottie Pippen - 8 (Ryoka Narusawa, 8Ball, ELITEpower23, Lbj, TheCorporation, OOO, SaintzFury13, aceman)
Giannis Antetokounmpo - 6 (gonzaldo, Phoenix, Manny98, AussieSteve, Thenameless, SouBeachTalents)
Isiah Thomas - 5 (Nike D'Antoni, Chick Stern, Round Mound, BigShotBob, Gudo)

The last several threads we waited for at least ten votes to crown a winner so I'll give it a few more hours. Giannis has terrible longevity but he does have 3 seasons at an all-time level so he's already leapfrogged someone like Bill Walton. I might change my vote to Giannis to expedite this but it still feels weird with longevity that bad. He isn't top 25 yet...

What???? If you ruin this and do that then change my vote to Pippen to expedite this.

[Phoenix]

This thread has gone on way too long. I don't believe Pip warrants 25th in 2021, but it is what it is with the voting and we need to keep this moving.

[RRR3]

Alright our three finalists are:

Scottie Pippen - 8 (Ryoka Narusawa, 8Ball, ELITEpower23, Lbj, TheCorporation, OOO, SaintzFury13, aceman)
Giannis Antetokounmpo - 6 (gonzaldo, Phoenix, Manny98, AussieSteve, Thenameless, SouBeachTalents)
Isiah Thomas - 5 (Nike D'Antoni, Chick Stern, Round Mound, BigShotBob, Gudo)

The last several threads we waited for at least ten votes to crown a winner so I'll give it a few more hours. Giannis has terrible longevity but he does have 3 seasons at an all-time level so he's already leapfrogged someone like Bill Walton. I might change my vote to Giannis to expedite this but it still feels weird with longevity that bad. He isn't top 25 yet...
Changing your own vote to meet an arbitrary measure damages your credibility.

[Naero]

https://as01.epimg.net/en/imagenes/2021/07/21/nba/1626862560_261903_noticia_normal_recorte1.jpg

Two MVPs, a DPOY, a Finals MVP, one of the GOAT Finals, and one of the GOAT peaks already (breaking the PER record in 2019-20, for starters); all that should outweigh his relatively inextensive longevity, the latter of which is the only conceivable countercase at this point. Otherwise, you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone who was a better or greater player as the clear-cut leader from #25 and onwards.

[coined]

Isiah Thomas

[329 Services]

Isiah Thomas

[SouBeachTalents]

^ This fakkit :lol

[RRR3]

^ This fakkit :lol
Nike D’Antoni shouldn’t get any votes counted for trying to pull that.

[Nike D'Antoni]

Helping hand for you dankok8

Scottie Pippen - 8 (Ryoka Narusawa, 8Ball, ELITEpower23, Lbj, TheCorporation, OOO, SaintzFury13, aceman)
Giannis Antetokounmpo - 8 (gonzaldo, Phoenix, Manny98, AussieSteve, Thenameless, SouBeachTalents, Naero, Jlip)
Isiah Thomas - 8 (Nike D'Antoni, Chick Stern, Round Mound, BigShotBob, Gudo, 329 services, coined,L.Kizzle)

It's a three-way race. I say we do a poll, and vote to eliminate one of the three. Then vote between the two left for #25.

[Nike D'Antoni]

Nike D’Antoni shouldn’t get any votes counted for trying to pull that.

Let's do this. vote to eliminate one of the three. Then vote between the two left for #25.
And Without my votes.

[1987_Lakers]

Scottie Pippen - 8 (Ryoka Narusawa, 8Ball, ELITEpower23, Lbj, TheCorporation, OOO, SaintzFury13, aceman)
Giannis Antetokounmpo - 8 (gonzaldo, Phoenix, Manny98, AussieSteve, Thenameless, SouBeachTalents, Naero, Jlip)
Isiah Thomas - 5 (, Chick Stern, Round Mound, BigShotBob, Gudo, ,L.Kizzle)

Real voting results.

Nike D'Antoni has been banned from voting in this project for using his alts.

[dankok8]

Changing your own vote to meet an arbitrary measure damages your credibility.

I didn't change my own vote LMAO. I don't want to vote for either Giannis or Pippen actually.

Anyways the current tally is Pippen 8 Giannis 8 and Isiah 8 if we use all the votes that were cast. How do we know if people use alts? I mean they obviously do but where do we draw the line? If several people tell me not to count a particular vote I won't.

[colts19]

I would go with Hondo and probably IT next. Rick Barry has to be coming into the conversation soon.

[RRR3]

I didn't change my own vote LMAO. I don't want to vote for either Giannis or Pippen actually.

Anyways the current tally is Pippen 8 Giannis 8 and Isiah 8 if we use all the votes that were cast. How do we know if people use alts? I mean they obviously do but where do we draw the line? If several people tell me not to count a particular vote I won't.
Nike D’Antoni coined and 329 services are all the same person. Check their threads and it’s blatantly obvious.

[SouBeachTalents]

I didn't change my own vote LMAO. I don't want to vote for either Giannis or Pippen actually.

Anyways the current tally is Pippen 8 Giannis 8 and Isiah 8 if we use all the votes that were cast. How do we know if people use alts? I mean they obviously do but where do we draw the line? If several people tell me not to count a particular vote I won't.
Nike D'Antoni's was so blatant I'm honestly astonished you couldn't perceive it. He literally voted in the same minute with his alts :lol

[Lebron_James]

Scottie Pippen

[1987_Lakers]

Honestly this should have been called a day ago, now posters with alts know they can easily abuse votes.

[RRR3]

Honestly this should have been called a day ago, now posters with alts know they can easily abuse votes.
We should just end it at 25 before it gets stupid. It’s actually an ok enough list considering how retarded this site is.

[SouBeachTalents]

We should just end it at 25 before it gets stupid. It’s actually an ok enough list considering how retarded this site is.
Once Pippen goes, which it looks like he will in the next 1-3 spots, there really won’t be any eligible players left to troll about, at least for a long time. Guys like AD & Gasol are fringe top 50, high 40’s at best, they won’t even be relevant for another 20 or so spots. Even if Pippen goes now, having him 25th instead of around 30th isn’t even that big of a deal.

[Phoenix]

We should just end it at 25 before it gets stupid. It’s actually an ok enough list considering how retarded this site is.

Too late lol....

[RRR3]

Once Pippen goes, which it looks like he will in the next 1-3 spots, there really won’t be any eligible players left to troll about, at least for a long time. Guys like AD & Gasol are fringe top 50, high 40’s at best, they won’t even be relevant for another 20 or so spots. Even if Pippen goes now, having him 25th instead of around 30th isn’t even that big of a deal.
This site is quite retarded about CP3. He should be in already tbqh. Longevity matters he’s been at minimum allstar level his entire career.

[TheCorporation]

Honestly this should have been called a day ago, now posters with alts know they can easily abuse votes.

OP once again being shady and ruining a good thing. Trying so hard to discredit players when he doesn't agree and wants to become the swing vote.

Well, this project went to shit fast, at least we got to 25.

[dankok8]

So none of 8Ball, ELITEpower23, Lbj, TheCorporation, 000, aceman are alt accounts too?

Honestly I find it hard to tell who the alts are. I wish the mods would just ban any alts but it is what it is. Anyways Pippen and Giannis are tied at eight each. First to ten votes wins!

[aceman]

Pip

[dankok8]

For the sake of stopping the trolls in the next thread, I suggest that regardless of who wins the poll I will just allocate Giannis/Pippen or Pippen/Giannis to #25 and #26 right away and we can move on to the #27 thread.

[8Ball]

So none of 8Ball, ELITEpower23, Lbj, TheCorporation, 000, aceman are alt accounts too?

Honestly I find it hard to tell who the alts are. I wish the mods would just ban any alts but it is what it is. Anyways Pippen and Giannis are tied at eight each. First to ten votes wins!

I have no alts. Any mod can confirm this.

[Phoenix]

This thread has pumped the brakes on this exercise.

[TheCorporation]

This thread has pumped the brakes on this exercise.

This.

We had a good run to 25 boys.

[dankok8]

Guys we are continuing to #50. Why stop because a few trolls (so far one confirmed) tried to derail this thread? We are more resilient than that!

[Magic Is Magic]

Giannis will end up higher but as of now not yet he needs more career to boost his career rank. Kawhi has a bigger resume than Giannis if we are only looking at relatively short bursts of success.

How did this turn to Pippen vs Giannis? What about Cousy?

[dankok8]

Alright I'm calling this one.

Scottie Pippen - 8 (Ryoka Narusawa, 8Ball, ELITEpower23, Lbj, TheCorporation, OOO, SaintzFury13, aceman)
Giannis Antetokounmpo - 8 (gonzaldo, Phoenix, Manny98, AussieS)teve, Thenameless, SouBeachTalents, jlip, Naero)
Isiah Thomas - 6 (Nike D'Antoni, Chick Stern, Round Mound, BigShotBob, Gudo, L. Kizzle)
John Havlicek - 4 (Jasper, dankok8, ClipperRevival, colts19)
Kawhi Leonard - 3 (kawhileonard2, HBK_Kliq_2, Honor Boost
Chris Paul - 2 (RRR3, 1987_Lakers)
Bob Cousy - 1 (Magic is Magic)

Due to how close this one was, we actually ran a poll and Pippen won 10-9 by the narrowest of margins.

Thread #26 is now open.

[Phoenix]

Ok so all this time there's been a 'win by two votes' rule in effect, except the poll created today where you called it for Pippen by a single vote. :confusedshrug:

[dankok8]

Ok so all this time there's been a 'win by two votes' rule in effect, except the poll created today where you called it for Pippen by a single vote. :confusedshrug:

Actually Pippen is up 11-9 now. I wanted to get it over with. Like you said it took too long.