Was race a factor in Kyrie getting blamed for Boston, when it was Hayward's fault?

[3ba11]

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Historical Record:


2018

* Boston was the league juggernaut when Kyrie first arrived and he was getting MVP talk

* Kyrie got hurt mid-season and was out the rest of the year, but rookies Tatum and Brown kept improving

* Tatum/Brown lead Celtics to ECF.. People say that this means the Celtics were better without Kyrie, but how do we know they don't make the ECF with him?.. They were expected to do exactly that based on every preseason projection of record and odds (#3 in preseason odds) - so making the ECF without him only means they make the Finals with him.


2019

* The 100 million dollar man returned from catastrophic injury (Hayward).. Despite playing the same position as Tatum/Brown, management felt compelled to play him, which destroyed Tatum/Brown - they experienced 1-year drops across the board (PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP), so the team was a SHELL of it's ECF strength or it's juggernaut status before Kyrie went down.


Ultimately, white players like Hayward, Brian Cardinal or Scalibrine are never knocked for being disappointments, while black players like Kyrie or Kwame are judged far more harshly.. One can only conclude that race is a driving factor.

[SouBeachTalents]

Wow, the two psychopaths on the board make completely differing threads about race. Very interesting :lol

[3ba11]

Wow, the two psychopaths on the board make completely differing threads about race. Very interesting :lol


That is an interesting coincidence but obviously, I'm not Godbe

[SaintzFury13]

* Tatum/Brown lead Celtics to ECF.. People say that this means they were better without Kyrie, but that's proven false by the preseason odds, which had the Celtics #3 in the league..

With a thread topic as stupid as this, this is somehow the dumbest thing 3ball says here.

[Real Men Wear Green]

LeBron James is good at basketball.

[3ba11]

With a thread topic as stupid as this, this is somehow the dumbest thing 3ball says here.


How does making the ECF mean the Celtics were better without Kyrie?

How do we know they don't make the ECF with him?

They were infact expected to do exactly that based on every preseason projection of record and odds - so making the ECF without him only means they make the Finals with him

Does it really makes sense to watch the Celtics make the ECF, and then say they somehow would be worse with Kyrie?... Makes zero sense... Were the Cavs better without Kyrie in 2015?

So you guys are the fools for using an ECF appearance to say the Celtics were better without him, when that was the minimum expectation WITH him

[RRR3]

Wow, the two psychopaths on the board make completely differing threads about race. Very interesting :lol
3ball is a horrible troll but at least he’s not racist like kenny I’ll give him that.

[3ba11]

LeBron James is good at basketball.


Letting a low SRS team of rookies nearly beat him?

No, that isn't good at all compared to anyone else good

[3ba11]

How does making the ECF mean the Celtics were better without Kyrie?

How do we know they don't make the ECF with him?

They were infact expected to do exactly that based on every preseason projection of record and odds - so making the ECF without him only means they make the Finals with him

Does it really makes sense to watch the Celtics make the ECF, and then say they somehow would be worse with Kyrie?... Makes zero sense... Were the Cavs better without Kyrie in 2015?

So you guys are the fools for using an ECF appearance to say the Celtics were better without him, when that was the minimum expectation WITH him


Anyone?

[Real Men Wear Green]

How does making the ECF mean the Celtics were better without Kyrie?

How do we know they don't make the ECF with him?

They were infact expected to do exactly that based on every preseason projection of record and odds - so making the ECF without him only means they make the Finals with him

Does it really makes sense to watch the Celtics make the ECF, and then say they somehow would be worse with Kyrie?... Makes zero sense... Were the Cavs better without Kyrie in 2015?

So you guys are the fools for using an ECF appearance to say the Celtics were better without him
No unfortunately by saying the "preseason odds" prove anything you are now demonstrably an idiot.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Letting a low SRS team of rookies nearly beat him?

No, that isn't good at all compared to anyone else good
No he us good at basketball. LeBron James is so good that he is in the NBA. That is how good he is.

[3ba11]

No unfortunately by saying the "preseason odds" prove anything you are now demonstrably an idiot.


you guys are the fools for using an ECF appearance to say the Celtics were better without him, when that was the minimum expectation WITH him based on every preseason projection of record or odds

[SouBeachTalents]

So what's your excuse for the 2019 Celtics, who had the clear cut 2nd highest title odds in the league, getting obliterated in a backdoor sweep in the 2nd round?

[Real Men Wear Green]

you guys are the fools for using an ECF appearance to say the Celtics were better without him, when that was the minimum expectation WITH him based on every preseason projection of record or odds
The uncited "preseason odds" you quote has the Celtics as third. By reaching the 7th game of the Finals against LeBron James, who is good at basketball, they showed themselves to be second best in the EC behind only a team with LeBron, who is good at basketball. Thus they exceeded the odds and thus you unfortunately are a stupid person. No offense.

[tontoz]

Gordon played only 26 minutes per game and took only 9 shots per game in '18/19.

Meanwhile Kyrie took over 18 shots per game, most on the team by far.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Bottom line: Irving had no chance against mvp Giannis and that #1 defense

If you put Irving on the 2018 Celtics they make the finals.

[3ba11]

Bottom line: Irving had no chance against mvp Giannis and that #1 defense

If you put Irving on the 2018 Celtics they make the finals.


A different angle on this topic:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?498313-15-Cavs-lost-but-Kyrie-put-them-over-top-in-16-just-like-he-would-ve-in-18-or-21

[Wally450]

Kyrie's arrogance was to blame. Hayward's injury was his reason. He was never the same after it.

[j3lademaster]

Race? No. Kyrie is the better, more exciting more marketable player; thus a sexier headline.

[3ba11]

The uncited "preseason odds" you quote has the Celtics as third. By reaching the 7th game of the Finals against LeBron James, who is good at basketball, they showed themselves to be second best in the EC behind only a team with LeBron, who is good at basketball. Thus they exceeded the odds and thus you unfortunately are a stupid person. No offense.


3rd in the LEAGUE smartass

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2018_preseason_odds.html

So they were expected to make ECF with Kyrie, and therefore their ECF appearance without him doesn't mean they were better without him - the media just lies because it makes them money and gives them show topics to pile on another black guy

[Real Men Wear Green]

You really took 5 days to think up this garbage?

[SaintzFury13]

If you put Irving on the 2018 Celtics they make the finals.

They played better without Irving, so no they don't.

[Real Men Wear Green]

They played better without Irving, so no they don't.
They were better if you compare the postseason without Irving to the one with him but to be fair their winning percentage is exactly with him as without him.

Which still doesn't say m7ch Go9d about him as a Celtic