Covid SURGES Among Most Vaxxed Communities Says Harvard Study

[jstern]

https://youtu.be/gD9YmiGVEkA

[FultzNationRISE]

Nice.

That oughtta keep The Usual Suspects distracted and fearful for the rest of Sleepy’s term.

It’s all going according to plan :applause:

[n00bie]

https://youtu.be/gD9YmiGVEkA

Weird. That isn't happening in the area that I live in. It's actually the opposite. 80% of population vaccinated, and every day 80% of cases are from the 20% unvaccinated.

[BurningHammer]

Jimmy Dore seems to love feeding the Rights :oldlol:

[Bronbron23]

Weird. That isn't happening in the area that I live in. It's actually the opposite. 80% of population vaccinated, and every day 80% of cases are from the 20% unvaccinated.

I think the takeaway from this is that this virus is still an unknown in a lot of ways but the only science we have does say the vaccines don't impact spread when it comes to delta.

[Axe]

Nice.

That oughtta keep The Usual Suspects distracted and fearful for the rest of Sleepy’s term.

It’s all going according to plan :applause:
It seems going all in on adderalls is anti-retirement, after all. :ohwell:

[Cleverness]

Weird. That isn't happening in the area that I live in. It's actually the opposite. 80% of population vaccinated, and every day 80% of cases are from the 20% unvaccinated.

In some communities, at certain times, with certain testing & reporting criteria, that could be the case. But AFAIK there's no correlation between the # of Covid cases & vaccination rates around the USA.

And because we didn't run any good RCTs on the vaccines, we don't know how efficacious they are at reducing the spread of Covid-19 & the risk reduction of hospitalization/death post-vaccination.

[diamenz]

vaxxed communities would likely be more comfortable and more willing to gather indoors in larger numbers and do it unmasked to boot, so yeah... that does make sense. the vaccine doesn't prevent spread, remember.

[Vino24]

Weird. That isn't happening in the area that I live in. It's actually the opposite. 80% of population vaccinated, and every day 80% of cases are from the 20% unvaccinated.

Weird you sound like a mainstream “unbiased” news cuck

[tontoz]

Funny how he doesn't even mention hospitalizations or deaths. I wonder why.

Also he doesn't mention that social distancing rules are different in various counties. It was announced by the CDC in late july that vaccinated people can easily transmit Delta, which wasnt true for the Alpha strain. The alpha strain, which the vaccines were designed for, is pretty much a non-factor now due to the vaccines.

Using year old video clips is pretty lame as well. New guidelines can happen in response to new information. Delta didn't even exist this time last year.

[Axe]

What about recovery rate?

[Vino24]

What about recovery rate?

The point is to not get covid. You don’t have to keep moving goalposts slick

[Off the Court]

The point is to not get covid. You don’t have to keep moving goalposts slick
The point of the vaccine is to not die from covid when you do get it and it has proven efficient at that.

[Vino24]

The point of the vaccine is to not die from covid when you do get it and it has proven efficient at that.

The death rate is the same as the flu. Why don’t we put resources into curing the flu?

[tpols]

vaxxed communities would likely be more comfortable and more willing to gather indoors in larger numbers and do it unmasked to boot, so yeah... that does make sense. the vaccine doesn't prevent spread, remember.

:roll:

The mental gymnastics you retards conduct is amazing. If anything the unvaxxed know its a scam and are just living their normal lives not worried about it at all.

[warriorfan]

Vax cucks absolutely fuming right now.

[Off the Court]

The death rate is the same as the flu. Why don’t we put resources into curing the flu?
There is a vaccine for the flu lol. The flu typically kills 30,000 a year in the US. Covid has killed 700,000.

[Vino24]

There is a vaccine for the flu lol. The flu typically kills 30,000 a year in the US. Covid has killed 700,000.

The thing is 600k of those were heart disease (the leading cause of death) the death rate hasn’t changed significantly enough for people to panic over this

[Off the Court]

The thing is 600k of those were heart disease (the leading cause of death) the death rate hasn’t changed significantly enough for people to panic over this
That's how people die from flu too. It lowers your immunity making you susceptible to dying of things like heart failure. You get sick and your heart stops.

[tpols]

There is a vaccine for the flu lol. The flu typically kills 30,000 a year in the US. Covid has killed 700,000.

There were less than 1000 flu deaths reported in the USA last year despite your 30K average figure. Hmm.....

And anybody who passed from long term disease ~ ie cancer, heart disease, diabetes etc was classified as COVID. The average age of death from COVID in the USA was in the 70s.

Colin Powell just died at 84 of cancer while being double vaxxed and they're listing his cause of death as COVID.

Keep being a retard and believing the intentional miscategorizing of deaths and subsequent fear mongering is legit.

[Vino24]

That's how people die from flu too. It lowers your immunity making you susceptible to dying of things like heart failure. You get sick and your heart stops.

The numbers don’t add up. Because there was not a significant increase of deaths precovid. The numbers are not being added to other deaths that were always a constant (flu, heart disease) did covid cure heart disease? Because the numbers don’t add up

[Off the Court]

There were less than 1000 flu deaths reported in the USA last year despite your 30K average figure. Hmm.....

And anybody who passed from long term disease ~ ie cancer, heart disease, diabetes etc was classified as COVID. The average age of death from COVID in the USA was in the 70s.

Colin Powell just died at 84 of cancer while being double vaxxed and they're listing his cause of death as COVID.

Keep being a retard and believing the intentional miscategorizing of deaths and subsequent fear mongering is legit.
I'm so sorry that the vaccine works :(

[tpols]

I'm so sorry that the vaccine works :(

Colin Powell would like a word with you mate. As would many others.

[Off the Court]

The numbers don’t add up. Because there was not a significant increase of deaths precovid. The numbers are not being added to other deaths that were always a constant (flu, heart disease) did covid cure heart disease? Because the numbers don’t add up

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Looks like the numbers all add up to me.

[bladefd]

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Looks like the numbers all add up to me.

And Tpols right on cue.. "There were less than 1000 flu deaths reported in the USA last year despite your 30K average figure. Hmm....."

:facepalm

[Axe]

Colin Powell would like a word with you mate. As would many others.
You seem to be clueless about his age.

[JohnnySic]

I stand by my idea that the vaxxed should get a barcode on their forehead. I need to be able to readily identify these people so I can keep a safe distance. Its a matter of public safety.

[JohnnySic]

:roll:

The mental gymnastics you retards conduct is amazing. If anything the unvaxxed know its a scam and are just living their normal lives not worried about it at all.

Yep. I dont even think about covid in real life. Its an internet thing.

Yes, I know this contradicts my prior post. I was only being half serious about that one.

[Off the Court]

JohnnyHick you should get the jab because people like you who are really really old are higher risk.

[Cleverness]

Funny how he doesn't even mention hospitalizations or deaths. I wonder why.

Also he doesn't mention that social distancing rules are different in various counties.

Funny you keep disappearing when it comes time to back up your narrative. (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14431213&viewfull=1#post14431213)

What's the absolute risk reduction of hospitalization after receiving a Covid-19 vaccination?
What's the absolute risk reduction of death after receiving a Covid-19 vaccination?
Cumulatively, how many infections would we have today if we didn't have anyone vaccinated from Covid-19?

Social distancing rules? Haha. Cumulatively, how many infections have been prevented by social distancing so far in the US? We've used 12+ months of:

-mass test and some trace
-stay-at-home orders
-business restrictions
-school closures
-mask mandates
-travel bans

Cumulatively, how many infections have each of those NPIs prevented so far?

Show your best sources.

[n00bie]

:roll:

The mental gymnastics you retards conduct is amazing. If anything the unvaxxed know its a scam and are just living their normal lives not worried about it at all.

Living normal lives..except can't eat at restaurants, watch a movie at a theatre, attend sports events, concerts, or ger on a plane...

That ain't a normal life man.

[n00bie]

I stand by my idea that the vaxxed should get a barcode on their forehead. I need to be able to readily identify these people so I can keep a safe distance. Its a matter of public safety.

We have a barcode... on our phones. No need to get one on our heads lol

[Axe]

The point is to not get covid. You don’t have to keep moving goalposts slick
Unfortunately, the virus doesn't choose its victims. Also how do you avoid it?

[diamenz]

:roll:

The mental gymnastics you retards conduct is amazing. If anything the unvaxxed know its a scam and are just living their normal lives not worried about it at all.

if you pay any attention to my posts, you'd know that i'm not some mainstream cuck, partisan hack or democratic sympathizer.

a mainstream take is blasphemy in your book tpols, i know. believe it or not, some things aside from contrarian theories are true. but you just HAVE to think you know something everybody else doesn't. i see it, team.

at any rate, is that why the mass majority of people dying these days are unvaxxed? the vaccines prevent serious illness & death, in MOST cases. probably around the ballpark of 99.9%. will you admit that much, tpols? do the vaccines work for those that DO indeed need it?

[Cleverness]

if you pay any attention to my posts, you'd know that i'm not some mainstream cuck, partisan hack or democratic sympathizer.

a mainstream take is blasphemy in your book tpols, i know. believe it or not, some things aside from contrarian theories are true. but you just HAVE to think you know something everybody else doesn't. i see it, team.

at any rate, is that why the mass majority of people dying these days are unvaxxed? the vaccines prevent serious illness & death, in MOST cases. probably around the ballpark of 99.9%. will you admit that much, tpols? do the vaccines work for those that DO indeed need it?

The majority of the recorded deaths with Covid-19* in the US are not fully vaccinated. This detail is crucial. This is why I always ask for the absolute risk reduction in hospitalization & death after becoming vaccinated.

Again, the best RCT we have shows no statistically significant difference between death rates in the vaccinated and control groups:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496379-Pfizer-vaccine-clinical-trial-shows-it-does-nothing-to-reduce-overall-risk-of-death

[diamenz]

The majority of the recorded deaths with Covid-19* in the US are not fully vaccinated. This detail is crucial. This is why I always ask for the absolute risk reduction in hospitalization & death after becoming vaccinated.

Again, the best RCT we have shows no statistically significant difference between death rates in the vaccinated and control groups:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496379-Pfizer-vaccine-clinical-trial-shows-it-does-nothing-to-reduce-overall-risk-of-death

someone can post that, and someone else can post this (https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/10/pfizer-covid-vaccine-90-effective-vs-hospitalization-study-finds) or this (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.27.21262356v1). and you can go back & forth all day in that regard.

let me say this. if you look at the big picture, and don't focus on every single anecdote like everyone loves to do - if you focus on the macro and not the micro, you can easily (in my opinion anyway) come to your own conclusion as to whether or not the vaccines are doing their job. now of course there are going to be outliers, like colin powell, who was basically a walking dead man before he caught covid and x group will weaponize the story for their narrative that the "VaCiNeS Don'T WorK"! and it'll blow up online and people will run with it until it basically turns into a f***ing meme. but again if you (not you in particular) like i said look at the grand scheme of things and at this point in time genuinely think that the vaccines are bullshit, or 'don't work' or WHATEVER, i honestly don't know what to tell you. btw, in relation to the colin powell thing, what i did find interesting that i read the other day was that covid19 poses a bigger threat to vaccinated elderly individuals than it does unvaccinated children. yeah, there's something the media won't tell you.

but you know me cleverness, i was right there with you at the beginning of all of this calling out the lockdowns, bloated covid relief bills, overuse of masks and just the general threat that this virus poses for healthy young people. i signed off on the great barrington declaration. i like to think i have some credibility on this subject. so you can understand why i get irked when people, like i said, post anecdote after anecdote with the mindset of 'my side good your side bad'! when they either have no actual genuine interest in the subject, or simply don't want to listen and only choose to bark.

[tpols]

if you pay any attention to my posts, you'd know that i'm not some mainstream cuck, partisan hack or democratic sympathizer.

a mainstream take is blasphemy in your book tpols, i know. believe it or not, some things aside from contrarian theories are true. but you just HAVE to think you know something everybody else doesn't. i see it, team.

at any rate, is that why the mass majority of people dying these days are unvaxxed? the vaccines prevent serious illness & death, in MOST cases. probably around the ballpark of 99.9%. will you admit that much, tpols? do the vaccines work for those that DO indeed need it?


No I will not admit that. Hop on Google. The countries with the lowest COVID cases / deaths are all poor 3rd world countries who haven't put into place any of the extreme measures 1st world countries have. In the USA, the states with the harshest lockdowns have the most deaths ~ California and New York.

No the vaccines don't work for those that need it because they aren't vaccines that use dead or weakened forms of the pathogen but rather mRNA injections with no long term human clinical trials. You're literally partaking in a gene therapy experiment.

Ultimately this isn't about a deadly plague its about money, power and control. But your ego is tied to the lie now and you can't retreat. You're stuck being a sheep.

[tpols]

probably around the ballpark of 99.9%.


What a coincidence... that's the exact cumulative survival rate for COVID.

I'm not the only one that sees it by the way. There are tons of media platforms where people are voicing their opinions. Go to youtube... Comment sections are blown up with people who make me look shy. And massively upvoted. Check out Biden's mandate speech. Its downvoted 10:1.

And its not a coincidence youtube announced it will be silencing all dissention about 2 weeks ago.

[tontoz]

No I will not admit that. Hop on Google. The countries with the lowest COVID cases / deaths are all poor 3rd world countries who haven't put into place any of the extreme measures 1st world countries have.

Do any of those countries have a death rate as low as Australia? They've had only 1500 deaths since the pandemic began. Our daily deaths are more than that.

[Off the Court]

Good luck getting tfools to admit the vaccine works. He promised covid would vanish after the election. Then he said tracking devices and microchips. Then he said the vaccine would make everyone sterile or kill us all in a conspiracy to depopulate the Earth. I don't know what he believes now but whatever it is it's extremely low-IQ and you have to be a drooling moron to believe it. And is often the case those running around calling everyone sheep are also the most gullible idiots who believe every retarded theory they are shown and then foolishly internalize it as being a free thinker.

[tpols]

The funny thing is I actually undersold it.

You won't be able,to find an anti vaccine post from me from a year ago from today. (Or further) It was only when they started pushing it with sketchy contradictory incentives like free donuts, and mandating it everywhere that I spoke up.

And of course the manufacturers having a law passed that grants them immunity to all lawsuits when things go wrong. And it having no long term clinical trials. Small stuff.


But the only hope we have is my thinking is just the tip of the iceberg. We have a lot of great posters here like Clever, jstern, hateraid Manny, and many more who smell the bullshit.

And it stinks.

[tontoz]

You won't be able,to find an anti vaccine post from me from a year ago from today. (Or further) .


The vaccines weren't even available a year ago.:oldlol:

[tpols]

The vaccines weren't even available a year ago.:oldlol:

Exactly dummy. Which proves I never had a problem with any other vaccine or vaccines in general.

Mostly because they all had long term human clinical trials and weren't being used as a tool for segregation and control. Vaccines used to be between you and the doctor and not plastered everywhere in the media with contradictory incentives. You might be autistic if you can't sense when you're being duped.

[tontoz]

Exactly dummy. Which proves I never had a problem with any other vaccine or vaccines in general.

Mostly because they all had long term human clinical trials and weren't being used as a tool for segregation and control. Vaccines used to be between you and the doctor and not plastered everywhere in the media with contradictory incentives. You might be autistic if you can't sense when you're being duped.


Being duped by who? The federal government? State governments? Hospitals? Other countries?

Are you saying that all these people got together and conspired......for what exactly? The vaccines and the economic shutdowns have cost trillions. What have they gained from this?

[diamenz]

The funny thing is I actually undersold it.

You won't be able,to find an anti vaccine post from me from a year ago from today. (Or further) It was only when they started pushing it with sketchy contradictory incentives like free donuts, and mandating it everywhere that I spoke up.

And of course the manufacturers having a law passed that grants them immunity to all lawsuits when things go wrong. And it having no long term clinical trials. Small stuff.


But the only hope we have is my thinking is just the tip of the iceberg. We have a lot of great posters here like Clever, jstern, hateraid Manny, and many more who smell the bullshit.

And it stinks.

there's plenty of bullshit. the lockdowns were/are bullshit. vaccinating children is bullshit. outdoor masking is bullshit. the bloated covid relief bills are bullshit. the misinformation and incompetence on the part of the media is bullshit. fauci is bullshit. but if you can't recommend that elderly & high risk individuals get jabbed, i can't lend you any credibility. btw, none of those posters are as far down the rabbit hole as you are.


He promised covid would vanish after the election. Then he said tracking devices and microchips. Then he said the vaccine would make everyone sterile or kill us all in a conspiracy to depopulate the Earth.

did you believe this stuff, tpols? do you still believe it?

[tpols]

there's plenty of bullshit. the lockdowns were/are bullshit. vaccinating children is bullshit. outdoor masking is bullshit. the bloated covid relief bills are bullshit. the misinformation and incompetence on the part of the media is bullshit. fauci is bullshit. but if you can't recommend that elderly & high risk individuals get jabbed, i can't lend you any credibility. btw, none of those posters are as far down the rabbit hole as you are.


So you're basically agreeing to the fact its a big lie. But won't fully commit 100%. You're tip toeing around a full committal.

I have no problem with old people taking the vaccine or anybody that wants to get it having it. Do you. I (and many others) can see this is an exercise in money power and control by the wealthy ruling class that owns this world, and not rich people all of a sudden having a massive interest in your personal health. Especially given the food and products they've been selling to the masses over the past 100 years. Its preposterous.

If you want to put a blindfold on and eat everything you're spoonfed and get what they tell you to get whenever they tell you to get it, then do it. I can tell you they're lying all I want but I won't do anything to physically impede you from making that choice.

If you want it go ahead.

My main problem is forcing people either way.

[bladefd]

The funny thing is I actually undersold it.

You won't be able,to find an anti vaccine post from me from a year ago from today. (Or further) It was only when they started pushing it with sketchy contradictory incentives like free donuts, and mandating it everywhere that I spoke up.

And of course the manufacturers having a law passed that grants them immunity to all lawsuits when things go wrong. And it having no long term clinical trials. Small stuff.


But the only hope we have is my thinking is just the tip of the iceberg. We have a lot of great posters here like Clever, jstern, hateraid Manny, and many more who smell the bullshit.

And it stinks.

You were talking about Bill gates and microchips in vaccines more than a year ago..

[FultzNationRISE]

You were talking about Bill gates and microchips in vaccines more than a year ago..

I guess youre giving him credit then?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/pentagon-scientists-develop-microchip-that-detects-covid-before-symptoms-when-placed-under-skin/ar-BB1fChwa

[j3lademaster]

Being duped by who? The federal government? State governments? Hospitals? Other countries?

Are you saying that all these people got together and conspired......for what exactly? The vaccines and the economic shutdowns have cost trillions. What have they gained from this?It's a ploy to kill all the obedient sheep with the vaccine, while leaving only the smart, defiant ones behind... wait I think we're doing this backwards.

[n00bie]

It's a ploy to kill all the obedient sheep with the vaccine, while leaving only the smart, defiant ones behind... wait I think we're doing this backwards.

So killing 80% of the population will benefit them how?

When you think about it. Killing 20% of the population is much more beneficial.. meaning they purposely created Covid and then made a vaccine so people wouldn't die from it.

the 20% that doesn't take the vaccine will help depopulate the earth.

[Off the Court]

The vaccine is a calculated conspiracy by Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson and Johnson to make money by creating medicine that actually works. Turns out it's the same evil plot they have with all of their products.

[n00bie]

The vaccine is a calculated conspiracy by Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson and Johnson to make money by creating medicine that actually works. Turns out it's the same evil plot they have with all of their products.

Maybe..but wtf happened to AstraZeneca? If they were all in this together, why did AstraZeneca come up with such a shitty vaccine compared to the rest? lol

[Bronbron23]

It's a ploy to kill all the obedient sheep with the vaccine, while leaving only the smart, defiant ones behind... wait I think we're doing this backwards.

This is why the population argument dosn't make sense. Why in the hell would they kill all the ones who do whatever they say and leave all the so called woke people left?

I don't think this thing is that sinister. My guess would be the virus is real and they're using people's scared bitch ass nature to use covid to gain more control.

[FultzNationRISE]

So killing 80% of the population will benefit them how?

When you think about it. Killing 20% of the population is much more beneficial.. meaning they purposely created Covid and then made a vaccine so people wouldn't die from it.

the 20% that doesn't take the vaccine will help depopulate the earth.

The poster you quoted was obviously being sarcastic, but the rest of what you said is almost certainly what this is actually all about.

[n00bie]

The poster you quoted was obviously being sarcastic, but the rest of what you said is almost certainly what this is actually all about.

But... wouldn't that mean if you DON'T take the vaccine.. you are actually following their plan to depopulate the earth by 20%?

[FultzNationRISE]

This is why the population argument dosn't make sense. Why in the hell would they kill all the ones who do whatever they say and leave all the so called woke people left?

I don't think this thing is that sinister. My guess would be the virus is real and they're using people's scared bitch ass nature to use covid to gain more control.

It’s not about killing people with this or that personality trait. It’s about knocking off a chunk of the old/vulnerable people who are likely to die in the coming years anyway. Medically speaking, the old and u healthy are costly as PHUCK. Rather than dish out trillions to treat them, Covid bumps them off and that money then gets spent on researching the next generation of scientific advancement. Stuff that will keep the rest of us around longer, once weve developed more sustainable technology.

The Earth is critically over populated RIGHT NOW. Covid at least buys some time. And justifies pouring money into long term issues people wouldnt otherwise approve of. Most people think “government money” should just be handed out and used to make everyone equal. Thats never a sustainable approach, so people in charge have to use drummed up crises to justify spending that money on bigger picture progress stuff.

[FultzNationRISE]

But... wouldn't that mean if you DON'T take the vaccine.. you are actually following their plan to depopulate the earth by 20%?

Not if youre healthy, bc youre not gonna die regardless.

And personally I WANT the Earth to depopulate, and have for a long time. Ive been beating this drum HERE for years. And people always said “dude, youre just a being racist for saying birth rates are too high in other countries blah blah.”

Typical brainless ItsMillerTime loser responses. Nobody took it seriously. Luckily smart people in the deep state do take it seriously, and here we are.

[tpols]

So killing 80% of the population will benefit them how?

When you think about it. Killing 20% of the population is much more beneficial.. meaning they purposely created Covid and then made a vaccine so people wouldn't die from it.

the 20% that doesn't take the vaccine will help depopulate the earth.

I've proposed that theory before and it makes sense. Except they haven't unleashed the real thing yet. A truly devastating form with way higher than .01% mortality rate.

Bill Gates is actually on record saying the 2nd wave will be much more devastating.


https://youtu.be/tDjQ8ivwbCU

These are bioweapons being released from a lab. Imagine thinking it came from a ****ing bat. :lol

Its amazing how the guy can say it on camera and sheep act like some nut job conjured it in his own mind.

Put it together. And read the comments. We aren't the minority.

And yes... I know I would be one of the people to die in the 2nd wave.

[FultzNationRISE]

These are bioweapons being released from a lab. Imagine thinking it came from a ****ing bat. :lol

Its amazing how the guy can say it on camera and sheep act like some nut job conjured it in his own mind.

Put it together. And read the comments. We aren't the minority.


Well bladefd and tontoz believe it :ohwell:

[tontoz]

I think there was some bioengineering done on the virus to make it more contagious to humans. I doubt it came straight.from bats to us.

I am assuming that China was experimenting and released it accidentally. We will probably never get the full story though.

[Off the Court]

The virus originating from a lab seems somewhat plausible but the engineers being able to calculate the variants or having control of all the various mutations seems implausible. At some point you have to consider the idea that maybe the world is nothing more than chaos.

[FultzNationRISE]

The virus originating from a lab seems somewhat plausible but the engineers being able to calculate the variants or having control of all the various mutations seems implausible. At some point you have to consider the idea that maybe the world is nothing more than chaos.

These mild respiratory infections come around literally every few years. Swine flu, bird flu, zika, west nile, SARS, h1n1 etc. We have these things ALL the time. A big deal is made on the news for a couple months, society is basically unaffected in real life, and everyone moves on.

Not hard to imagine they just released a slightly more aggressive strain, cranked up the media fear mongering, and paid hospitals to categorize every death “with” covid as a death directly because of covid (which they did).

In addition to vaccines, the reason humanity sees fewer epidemics over time is the same reason kids keep growing taller each generation. Same reason we gave Indians disease and not vice versa. We have better nutritional access and it makes our immune systems much stronger. Plus society is much more connected so we’re exposed to things from around the globe far more often, which increases general immunity. The developed world is not gonna be “ravaged” by a naturally occuring virus these days.

This is not about public health. It’s about population, consumption, and investment. The developing world is soon going to be developed, and that means 7 billion people wanting to fly around in planes on holiday. Teenagers in every country wanting cars to drive. Tons of stuff we take for granted has actually been historically limited to a minority of the population. It isnt sustainable for the whole planet to engage in. It was time for some kind of a rouse to keep travel down, invest in digitizing schools so kids dont have to ride gas guzzling busses every day, not to mention keep the public preoccupied with arguing over mandates while rich people continue to make unilateral policy decisions.

I mean it was easy as pie. When youve got a planet full of Usual Suspects... you can pretty much do whatever. The people who get rich are also the people who have to take responsibility into their own hands, because the rr3’s sure as hell cant do that.

I mean sure the farmer sleeps in the house and eats what he wants. But he’s still gotta take care of the cattle in the field even tho he obviously doesnt view them as equals. He still has to fertilize the land, make sure they have shelter during storms, do all the shit that cattle cant do. And yeah he slaughters a few every now and then... but thats how it goes.

I mean just have a conversation with The Usuals. They never wanna face reality. Leaders have to face reality. They gotta do what needs to be done. Usuals like bladefd are simpleton cattle. You can do whatever you want to them pretty much and they wont have the capacity to understand whats going on. Thats just... their place on this Animal Farm. Thats how they roll.

:confusedshrug:

[n00bie]

These mild respiratory infections come around literally every few years. Swine flu, bird flu, zika, west nile, SARS, h1n1 etc. We have these things ALL the time. A big deal is made on the news for a couple months, society is basically unaffected in real life, and everyone moves on.

Not hard to imagine they just released a slightly more aggressive strain, cranked up the media fear mongering, and paid hospitals to categorize every death “with” covid as a death directly because of covid (which they did).

In addition to vaccines, the reason humanity sees fewer epidemics over time is the same reason kids keep growing taller each generation. Same reason we gave Indians disease and not voce versa. We have better nutritional access and it makes our immune systems much stronger. Plus society is much more connected so we’re exposed to things from around the globe far more often, which increases general immunity.

This is not about public health. It’s about population, consumption, and investment. The developing world is soon going to be developed, and that means 7 billion people wanting to fly around in planes on holiday. Teenagers in every country wanting cars to drive. Tons of stuff we take for granted has actually been historically limited to a minority of the population. It isnt sustainable for the whole planet to engage in. It was time for some kind of a rouse to keep travel down, invest in digitizing schools so kids dont have to ride gas guzzling busses every day, not to mention keep the public preoccupied with arguing over mandates while rich people continue to make unilateral policy decisions.

I mean it was easy as pie. When youve got a planet full of Usual Suspects... you can pretty much do whatever. The people who get rich are also the people who have to take responsibility into their own hands, because the rr3’s sure as hell cant do that.

I mean sure the farmer sleeps in the house and eats what he wants. But he’s still gotta take care of the cattle in the field even tho he obviously doesnt view them as equals. He still has to fertilize the land, make sure they have shelter during storms, do all the shit that cattle cant do. And yeah he slaughters a few every now and then... but thats how it goes.

I mean just have a conversation with The Usuals. They never wanna face reality. Leaders have to face reality. They gotta do what needs to be done. Usuals like bladefd are simpleton cattle. You can do whatever you want to them pretty much and they wont have the capacity to understand whats going on. Thats just... their place on this Animal Farm. Thats how they roll.

:confusedshrug:

Could also be mother nature itself trying to depopulate us to survive.

But yes, we're ****ing up the world big time.

[BurningHammer]

Could also be mother nature itself trying to depopulate us to survive.

But yes, we're ****ing up the world big time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mobzZtAafus

[Off the Court]

Astute essay but my post was in regards to the fresh new theory from tfools that a 2nd much more deadly wave will come from this now scary bioweapon we call Covid19. As though who ever engineered the virus could predict how it would mutate over a year later and have a full understanding of how the entire globe would react. I don't know what mutates faster the virus or tfools' plot line.

[tontoz]

I would expect future mutations of COVID to be less deadly. A virus doesn't want to kill it's host.

[bladefd]

The virus originating from a lab seems somewhat plausible but the engineers being able to calculate the variants or having control of all the various mutations seems implausible. At some point you have to consider the idea that maybe the world is nothing more than chaos.

You have to ask yourself: do we have the means to create a virus that is self-sustaining and able to replicate/evolve/the whole shebang? This is not the same as programming a computer virus, but you are using DNA to actually create a fairly complicated being. I don't think we have the means to artificially do it - it takes nature millions of years, perhaps hundreds of thousands of years is the minimum. Now you are asking humans to create it in a lab in a few years?? We are just at the edge of genetic editing, splicing, CRISPR.. This is not just genetic editing - this is actually using blocks of DNA to create a being that has many of the properties of a living organism.

Unless if the research studies, knowledge, and experience with genetic editing is multiple decades ahead secretly of where the entire field publicly is, this is all fool's gold. There is simply no evidence of this.


Now if the argument is that a lab in China was researching some animal and this virus leaked during the research process due to a mistake, incompetence, or something nefarious.. That's a whole different argument and seems much more plausible.

[Bronbron23]

It’s not about killing people with this or that personality trait. It’s about knocking off a chunk of the old/vulnerable people who are likely to die in the coming years anyway. Medically speaking, the old and u healthy are costly as PHUCK. Rather than dish out trillions to treat them, Covid bumps them off and that money then gets spent on researching the next generation of scientific advancement. Stuff that will keep the rest of us around longer, once weve developed more sustainable technology.

The Earth is critically over populated RIGHT NOW. Covid at least buys some time. And justifies pouring money into long term issues people wouldnt otherwise approve of. Most people think “government money” should just be handed out and used to make everyone equal. Thats never a sustainable approach, so people in charge have to use drummed up crises to justify spending that money on bigger picture progress stuff.

I hear u man. I'll entertain most conspiracy theories but i don't know about this one. Dosn't make sense to me. If they wanted all the old to die why make the vaccines in the first place. Why put masks and social distancing mandatory? They could of just said nothing and let the virus kill off all the old and weak:confusedshrug:

[Cleverness]

someone can post that, and someone else can post this (https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/10/pfizer-covid-vaccine-90-effective-vs-hospitalization-study-finds) or this (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.27.21262356v1). and you can go back & forth all day in that regard.

let me say this. if you look at the big picture, and don't focus on every single anecdote like everyone loves to do - if you focus on the macro and not the micro, you can easily (in my opinion anyway) come to your own conclusion as to whether or not the vaccines are doing their job. now of course there are going to be outliers, like colin powell, who was basically a walking dead man before he caught covid and x group will weaponize the story for their narrative that the "VaCiNeS Don'T WorK"! and it'll blow up online and people will run with it until it basically turns into a f***ing meme. but again if you (not you in particular) like i said look at the grand scheme of things and at this point in time genuinely think that the vaccines are bullshit, or 'don't work' or WHATEVER, i honestly don't know what to tell you. btw, in relation to the colin powell thing, what i did find interesting that i read the other day was that covid19 poses a bigger threat to vaccinated elderly individuals than it does unvaccinated children. yeah, there's something the media won't tell you.

but you know me cleverness, i was right there with you at the beginning of all of this calling out the lockdowns, bloated covid relief bills, overuse of masks and just the general threat that this virus poses for healthy young people. i signed off on the great barrington declaration. i like to think i have some credibility on this subject. so you can understand why i get irked when people, like i said, post anecdote after anecdote with the mindset of 'my side good your side bad'! when they either have no actual genuine interest in the subject, or simply don't want to listen and only choose to bark.

The studies you just linked have two issues. One, most of the hospitalizations in their time period were in 2020 and early 2021 when a very low % of the population was fully vaccinated. Second, and this is one I've been harping on for a very long time, is that they only measured hospitalizations with Covid-19. This ignores all the people who may have been hospitalized regardless of being vaccinated and hospitalizations caused by the vaccinations.

This detail is crucial. This is why I always ask for the absolute risk reduction in hospitalization & death after becoming vaccinated.

[Axe]

The virus originating from a lab seems somewhat plausible but the engineers being able to calculate the variants or having control of all the various mutations seems implausible. At some point you have to consider the idea that maybe the world is nothing more than chaos.
And the most annoying part about it is that it boomed last year, which was the opening year of the decade. Utter bullshit, these assholes. :lol:facepalm

[Im so nba'd out]

I would expect future mutations of COVID to be less deadly. A virus doesn't want to kill it's host.

a virus doesnt have a brain :oldlol:. The less deadly versions would have a much better chance of reproducing seeing how a less deadly version wouldnt have people quarantining. A deadly version would have people quarantining which intern would probably cut the chances of that one spreading its spores around to other ppl(from people coughing and other people inhaling the spores floating around in the air). Too lazy to explain this hope u got it


We have brains and we are killing the earth.....and looking at it from the earth's perspective...we are a pretty much a virus....so yeah im pretty sure even if a virus had a brain they wouldnt care....well the majority of them wouldnt.


I had covid 18 years ago and nobody said sht about it. I had mucus blocking my airway, lost my sense of smell, lost my sense of taste, nurse sent me home from school, ect. Covid has been around. I just thought i had the worst cold of my life

[n00bie]

You have to ask yourself: do we have the means to create a virus that is self-sustaining and able to replicate/evolve/the whole shebang? This is not the same as programming a computer virus, but you are using DNA to actually create a fairly complicated being. I don't think we have the means to artificially do it - it takes nature millions of years, perhaps hundreds of thousands of years is the minimum. Now you are asking humans to create it in a lab in a few years?? We are just at the edge of genetic editing, splicing, CRISPR.. This is not just genetic editing - this is actually using blocks of DNA to create a being that has many of the properties of a living organism.

Unless if the research studies, knowledge, and experience with genetic editing is multiple decades ahead secretly of where the entire field publicly is, this is all fool's gold. There is simply no evidence of this.


Now if the argument is that a lab in China was researching some animal and this virus leaked during the research process due to a mistake, incompetence, or something nefarious.. That's a whole different argument and seems much more plausible.

I'd actually be very surprised if every country in the G7 didn't have labs studying and developing viruses.

[BurningHammer]

I had covid 18 years ago and nobody said sht about it. I had mucus blocking my airway, lost my sense of smell, lost my sense of taste, nurse sent me home from school, ect. Covid has been around. I just thought i had the worst cold of my life
Wait, you got SARS? :eek:

[tontoz]

a virus doesnt have a brain :oldlol:. The less deadly versions would have a much better chance of reproducing seeing how a less deadly version wouldnt have people quarantining. A deadly version would have people quarantining which intern would probably cut the chances of that one spreading its spores around to other ppl(from people coughing and other people inhaling the spores floating around in the air). Too lazy to explain this hope u got it


We have brains and we are killing the earth.....and looking at it from the earth's perspective...we are a pretty much a virus....so yeah im pretty sure even if a virus had a brain they wouldnt care....well the majority of them wouldnt.


I had covid 18 years ago and nobody said sht about it. I had mucus blocking my airway, lost my sense of smell, lost my sense of taste, nurse sent me home from school, ect. Covid has been around. I just thought i had the worst cold of my life

I know it doesn't have a brain but in terms of evolution they don't want to kill the host. They cant spread from a dead body. I didn't mean they are deliberately mutating a certain way lol.