Suns decline to give Ayton extension, instead give Landry Shamet signs 4-Year/$43M

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Hahahaha laundry shithead has been the worst rotation player in the league the last 4 years. Suns coach is a f'n moron, go play 1 on 1 again with Giannis and refuse to double you clown. Laundry shithead 43 million HAHAHAHAHHAA he couldn't even make the nets rotation in the playoffs. What the hell? This guy should be in the g league.

Is shamet banging Monty's daughter? Dumbest shit ever

[SATAN]

Shamet isn't that bad but yeah I don't understand this Ayton situation.

[Xiao Yao You]

Shamet isn't that bad but yeah I don't understand this Ayton situation.

what's not to understand? He could have taken less and been taken care of like Jaren Jackson. He chose to risk injury. Suns can match any offer next summer so why pay now? Maybe he'll come to play and actually earn the max instead of getting it on potential.

[Jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQMrzGhAd3Q

Ayton wants Milwaukee bad.

[beasted]

what's not to understand? He could have taken less and been taken care of like Jaren Jackson. He chose to risk injury. Suns can match any offer next summer so why pay now? Maybe he'll come to play and actually earn the max instead of getting it on potential.

I'm fully on board with the theory, but not the practice. In practice all his peers are getting paid. Pay the man unless you want to alienate him or have him play cautious.

[PP34Deuce]

Business says wait it out. Problem is he saw guys with comparable stats get $180M + dollar contracts.

Suns want him committed to win titles not just make money. He plays how he should he's def getting that money. Feels like he knows he can be injury prone and wants to secure the bag before he gets injured or something

[Xiao Yao You]

I'm fully on board with the theory, but not the practice. In practice all his peers are getting paid. Pay the man unless you want to alienate him or have him play cautious.

what peers got max?

[Vino24]

What if Ayton gets injured? Suns still give him the max? Ayton should fvck these guys over

[bobopenguin]

Ayton should just take 1yr QO and fk suns.

[Xiao Yao You]

Ayton should just take 1yr QO and fk suns.

easy for you to say

[HBK_Kliq_2]

what's not to understand? He could have taken less and been taken care of like Jaren Jackson. He chose to risk injury. Suns can match any offer next summer so why pay now? Maybe he'll come to play and actually earn the max instead of getting it on potential.

Ayton just led playoffs in win shares or was damn close to it. Giving him the max is much better then giving 40 million to the worst player in the league. Shamet is constantly getting picked on and humiliated defensively, I know because he used to be on clippers and I'd always yell at him.

Steve Nash doesn't seem like a defensive minded coach and he even had enough of shamet's crap. Also too inconsistent offensively. Its weird too because shamet is actually really fast and quick when he runs but unfortunately it doesn't translate to anything productive.

[Xiao Yao You]

Ayton just led playoffs in win shares or was damn close to it. Giving him the max is much better then giving 40 million to the worst player in the league. Shamet is constantly getting picked on and humiliated defensively, I know because he used to be on clippers and I'd always yell at him.

Steve Nash doesn't seem like a defensive minded coach and he even had enough of shamet's crap. Also too inconsistent offensively. Its weird too because shamet is actually really fast and quick when he runs but unfortunately it doesn't translate to anything productive.

Suns apparently like him

[bobopenguin]

easy for you to say

he can get max easy after 1yr QO.

[Xiao Yao You]

he can get max easy after 1yr QO.

if he doesn't get hurt sure

[bobopenguin]

if he doesn't get hurt sure

MPJ still has his back injury, doesnt stop him getting a max.

[Xiao Yao You]

MPJ still has his back injury, doesnt stop him getting a max.

it could have if he had to wait like Ayton is. Certainly cost Jaren Jackson who I like a lot more than Ayton

[Kobe_Bryant]

you guys don't realize that the window to win a title is right now with Paul's last year or 2 of elite basketball left in him. it's not 5 or 6 years from now with just 2 guys making 50 million each a season and a bunch of scrubs. the gm is right to fill out the roster with that money


and if anything this will make ayton try harder this season to make an impression on other teams

[bobopenguin]

did u see ayton come out and say "i will use this as a fuel to push me further this coming year" today?
nope, instead, "Deandre Ayton turned down speaking with the media today".
He's probably planning how to leave Suns.

[ImKobe]

I don't understand the Shamet signing at all. He provides little value outside of his above-average 3PT shooting.. I get it that he's still young but this is his 4th team for a reason..

[jayfan]

what's not to understand? He could have taken less and been taken care of like Jaren Jackson. He chose to risk injury. Suns can match any offer next summer so why pay now? Maybe he'll come to play and actually earn the max instead of getting it on potential.


Apparently you only watch the Jazz during the playoffs. He earned the contract.


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[insight]

It doesn't make sense for the Suns to offer Ayton the Max right now. He will be a restricted free agent after the season and they can match any offer for him or decide to pay him Max money before the season starts. I doubt he gets it, he is the 3rd best player Booker and CP3 are the franchise pieces right now. Bigs who can shoot from the outside or dominate defensively are the only ones getting max money in the modern NBA, and right now Ayton is not there.

[jayfan]

It doesn't make sense for the Suns to offer Ayton the Max right now. He will be a restricted free agent after the season and they can match any offer for him or decide to pay him Max money before the season starts. I doubt he gets it, he is the 3rd best player Booker and CP3 are the franchise pieces right now. Bigs who can shoot from the outside or dominate defensively are the only ones getting max money in the modern NBA, and right now Ayton is not there.


There's another possibility. He signs no offer sheet with another team, instead takes a one year qualifying offer from Phx, and then becomes unrestricted and leaves.


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[insight]

There's another possibility. He signs no offer sheet with another team, instead takes a one year qualifying offer from Phx, and then becomes unrestricted and leaves.


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That is a possibility, I see Ayton in a similar situation as John Collins, barring injury I bet Phoenix signs him next year for similar money just under the max money.

[wagexslave]

There's another possibility. He signs no offer sheet with another team, instead takes a one year qualifying offer from Phx, and then becomes unrestricted and leaves.


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If they think his relationship in Phoenix is that soured and there's a possibility that could happen, then they'll look to trade him for KAT or something before the deadline. KAT's Booker's best friend anyways so it helps continue to keep Book happy in Phoenix if they could get a deal done with Minny.

[wagexslave]

I don't understand the Shamet signing at all. He provides little value outside of his above-average 3PT shooting.. I get it that he's still young but this is his 4th team for a reason..

Coach Monty loves him, they supposedly have a great relationship and Monty should be able to get the best out of him on a regular basis. He fits in good with what the Suns need/want from their 2nd string SG anyways. His play-style is pretty much like a poor man's Booker, so in theory he should be a good backup for Book in terms of team chemistry. Idk why people are so down on him, he might not excel at anything in particular but he seems like he's at least pretty much average at almost everything, so I look at him as a jack of all trades master of none type player. And when he does get hot from 3 he can be an X factor, but when he's not he at least isn't gonna lose you games being a selfish ball hog or being terrible at everything outside of shooting like some bench players.

At the same time though I just don't know... I really haven't watched him play enough to fully judge. He always seemed to play pretty damn decent when we played against him so maybe I just haven't seen the downsides of him yet. And he already looked like a good fit in the preseason, was producing. I guess we'll see in the regular season. :confusedshrug:

[wagexslave]

I believe that another unspoken part of the reason the Suns FO wanted Ayton to take a discount or to wait another year to see Ayton prove himself more also has to do with Cam Johnson and his development. The Suns would love to try to keep Cam Johnson. Cam is gonna be up for a new contract soon and he's gonna need to get paid as well. He has surprisingly has shown us that he has some possible untapped star potential within him. He stepped his game up just as much as Ayton in the playoffs and even moreso in the Finals. And Cam doesn't have a history of major 25 game PED suspension costing the team an entire playoff appearance the season before last, missing games because of not showing up to his COVID test, showing up to camp out of shape, etc like Ayton has done. He's just more mature than Ayton. I love Ayton but he's definitely on the immature side.

Cam shot 50%/45%/90% in the playoffs playing with hustle and good defense and was arguably our most consistent player all playoffs long, and that poster over Tucker in the Finals was insane. When he's playing at the top of his game he looks like a potential future star. His stroke is beautiful and when he gets hot he's unstoppable. He struggled with his shot at the beginning of last reg season but it got better and better as the season went into the playoffs. He's definitely developed into more than just a spot up shooter and his athleticism has been far better than advertised. Just an efficient ass high bball IQ player who's unselfish and makes smart plays. I think the Suns FO is curious to see how he looks this season after shining bright on the brightest stages, maybe even give him a bigger role on offense and see how he does. And if Ayton slumps this year for any reason, see if he'll take less money and maybe keeping Cam could be a possibility, or consider trading Cam and give Ayton his max. Or possibly trade Ayton for KAT who's on an old cheaper max deal and try to squeeze Cam into the salary.

It sucks ass to be in this position but that's what happens when you have such a young core of promising players still developing. Really hard to keep all of them.

[Xiao Yao You]

Apparently you only watch the Jazz during the playoffs. He earned the contract.


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take the regular season off ala Robert Horry and just show up in the playoffs is a max?

[Xiao Yao You]

There's another possibility. He signs no offer sheet with another team, instead takes a one year qualifying offer from Phx, and then becomes unrestricted and leaves.


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unlikely. Not many have taken that route. Risky enough not to take the 100 million plus or whatever now

[Xiao Yao You]

If they think his relationship in Phoenix is that soured and there's a possibility that could happen, then they'll look to trade him for KAT or something before the deadline. KAT's Booker's best friend anyways so it helps continue to keep Book happy in Phoenix if they could get a deal done with Minny.

yeah blow up a finals team for a career loser :lol

[jayfan]

take the regular season off ala Robert Horry and just show up in the playoffs is a max?


Lesser players have received max contracts following far lesser performances.

Horry hit a few big shots. Ayton was a fantastic workhorse for Phx throughout the postseason.


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[Xiao Yao You]

Lesser players have received max contracts following far lesser performances.

Horry hit a few big shots. Ayton was a fantastic workhorse for Phx throughout the postseason.


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sure they have it doesn't mean they should get them. Become an all NBA center this season. Dominate at both ends than pout about getting paid

[PP34Deuce]

I believe that another unspoken part of the reason the Suns FO wanted Ayton to take a discount or to wait another year to see Ayton prove himself more also has to do with Cam Johnson and his development. The Suns would love to try to keep Cam Johnson. Cam is gonna be up for a new contract soon and he's gonna need to get paid as well. He has surprisingly has shown us that he has some possible untapped star potential within him. He stepped his game up just as much as Ayton in the playoffs and even moreso in the Finals. And Cam doesn't have a history of major 25 game PED suspension costing the team an entire playoff appearance the season before last, missing games because of not showing up to his COVID test, showing up to camp out of shape, etc like Ayton has done. He's just more mature than Ayton. I love Ayton but he's definitely on the immature side.

Cam shot 50%/45%/90% in the playoffs playing with hustle and good defense and was arguably our most consistent player all playoffs long, and that poster over Tucker in the Finals was insane. When he's playing at the top of his game he looks like a potential future star. His stroke is beautiful and when he gets hot he's unstoppable. He struggled with his shot at the beginning of last reg season but it got better and better as the season went into the playoffs. He's definitely developed into more than just a spot up shooter and his athleticism has been far better than advertised. Just an efficient ass high bball IQ player who's unselfish and makes smart plays. I think the Suns FO is curious to see how he looks this season after shining bright on the brightest stages, maybe even give him a bigger role on offense and see how he does. And if Ayton slumps this year for any reason, see if he'll take less money and maybe keeping Cam could be a possibility, or consider trading Cam and give Ayton his max. Or possibly trade Ayton for KAT who's on an old cheaper max deal and try to squeeze Cam into the salary.

It sucks ass to be in this position but that's what happens when you have such a young core of promising players still developing. Really hard to keep all of them.

I agree with this. Suns historically are cheap but I also think Jones as a GM sees things from a business and NBA player standpoint. You don't pay $180M+ to a big unless they offer Embiid, AD, Jokic type ability to stretch the floor and be a defensive anchor.

Ayton has soft touch and good mechanics but I have yet to see him consistently go on a tear. he lives off being 23 and an elite athlete. If he had ability to score 20+ PPG he would by now.

[AirBonner]

I agree with this. Suns historically are cheap but I also think Jones as a GM sees things from a business and NBA player standpoint. You don't pay $180M+ to a big unless they offer Embiid, AD, Jokic type ability to stretch the floor and be a defensive anchor.

Ayton has soft touch and good mechanics but I have yet to see him consistently go on a tear. he lives off being 23 and an elite athlete. If he had ability to score 20+ PPG he would by now.
Yeah but it’s the Suns. You have to pay your players when stars are not just going to walk thru that door

[theballerFKA Ace]

MPJ in a Brinks Truck meets Ayton at the stop

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