Ben Simmons thrown out of practice today and suspended for conduct detrimental…..

[Kblaze8855]

One game suspension.



Sixers coach Doc Rivers threw Ben Simmons out of practice today and the suspension came shortly thereafter, sources tell ESPN

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WOJ

[ShawkFactory]

Here we go..

[DoctorP]

Bens practicing like a corpse possessed by a cockroach alien

[Shogon]

:roll:

The Sixers have increasingly turned into a dumpster fire since Hinkie's departure. They had like one brief season there where I really felt this was potentially going to be a dynasty afterwards when they had Belinelli, Redick, Fultz, Saric & Ilyasova but they have just progressively ****ed it up since then.

And for it to take this long for them to look into getting Simmons some counseling is actually insane. He's been scared to shoot in game for years now. You can't shoot like that in summer pickup games and also drill shot after shot beyond the three point line during shoot around then go to not being able to do anything at all in an actual game and have it not be mostly psychological.

Fultz got away with getting into a motorcycle accident which turned into a mental block... and they could have had Tatum. Draft decisions are an easy 20/20, but still.


And then to top all of this off, they could have had Harden last year for Simmons? LOL.

The organization (Doc Rivers) does all it can do to tank Simmons' trade value EVEN FURTHER and then they blame him for being butthurt about it.

Just absolutely unreal how much of a dumpster fire that organization is right now.

[Real Men Wear Green]

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[L.Kizzle]

We talking bout practice ... not a Game. PRACTICE!!!!

[Druckenmiller]

The 76ers should give him the Udonis Haslem treatment and bit play him for four years.

[Shogon]

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[Manny98]

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:roll:

[DoctorP]

We talking bout practice ... not a Game. PRACTICE!!!!

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[DoctorP]

Ben Simmons theme song.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaLq-C5pMDA

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[Airupthere]

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:banana:

[Kblaze8855]

Per multiple reports, Simmons was thrown out of practice today by coach Doc Rivers for not being engaged in practice. ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski reports (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1450497581482528772) the lack of participation and engagement by Simmons at practice has been a theme since his return. Simmons reportedly (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1450501829171683332) refused to participate in one stage of the practice session before being tossed.“At this point, I don’t care about that man honestly,” Joel Embiid said after practice on Tuesday. “He does whatever he wants.”
Embiid said he has not spoken with Simmons and that “our job is not to babysit somebody.” Simmons has declined to talk to the media since his return..



That is an….escalation. Not that I blame him.

[Shogon]

That is an….escalation. Not that I blame him.

Embiid helped escalate it just like Rivers did.

Simmons is being an immature baby that doesn't understand he's actually making it even harder for Philly to deal him and Embiid and Rivers helped to start this mess with their post game comments.

And then we have Morey who is clearly bordering on idiocy with how hard headed he's being thinking he's going to get some amazing package back at this point.

LOL everyone involved looks like a moron at this point.

[DoctorP]

Embiid helped escalate it just like Rivers did.

Simmons is being an immature baby that doesn't understand he's actually making it even harder for Philly to deal him and Embiid and Rivers helped to start this mess with their post game comments.

And then we have Morey who is clearly bordering on idiocy with how hard headed he's being thinking he's going to get some amazing package back at this point.

LOL everyone involved looks like a moron at this point.

this. toxic team. id fire Doc.

[eliteballer]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/joel-embiid-rips-ben-simmons-165657113.html

[bladefd]

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[bison]

Anyone else getting the feeling that this whole Simmons situation is just basketball kayfabe?

[Wally450]

Offense instantly gets better when he's off the court.

[bladefd]

Embiid helped escalate it just like Rivers did.

Simmons is being an immature baby that doesn't understand he's actually making it even harder for Philly to deal him and Embiid and Rivers helped to start this mess with their post game comments.

And then we have Morey who is clearly bordering on idiocy with how hard headed he's being thinking he's going to get some amazing package back at this point.

LOL everyone involved looks like a moron at this point.

Sixers have 0 leverage right now. They won't get anything decent even if they wait. Teams have already seen his behavior and they know how much money is remaining on his deal. They will never give up a decent star in return.

[rawimpact]

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:lol

[Magic Is Magic]

His departure ticket is long overdue and I hear the weather is much nicer in other places anyway.

[pandiani17]

His departure ticket is long overdue and I hear the weather is much nicer in other places anyway.

That's not the issue. The thing is who is going to want to trade for a guy with that attitude? And the situation is getting worse and worse as time goes on.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Doc has always created a toxic locker room everywhere he went outside of Celtics who had kevin Garnett the goat leader. They need to fire doc after this shit, it seems embiid likes him though so probably won't happen.

Ben Simmons took a break last reg season and 76ers started going on a losing streak, then doc called Simmons and asked him when he's returning. Then after a game 7 outcome you don't ike and you throw him under the bus? I don't blame Simmons, stop holding him hostage and trade him already.

[fourkicks44]

Ultimately Joel is the franchise player and the intended and unintended consequences he has to accept and deal with.

His comments, fair or not have to be his acknowledgement of this.

The point I am trying to make is, the whole main issue of trying to trade Simmons for something of value was to get assets in return that could maximize the opportunity for the team to compete while Joel is still in his prime and also keep him happy enough so he too would not be inclined to leave.

If he can accept that this is not a likey reality anymore, while obviously disappointing, it will make things generally easier going forward as the expectations for success and the future will have lowered.

Time to just move on and play basketball and forget about that idiot Simmons.

Opening night can't come soon enough.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1450506494127054854?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet


Sources: Doc Rivers asked Ben Simmons to join a defensive drill today. Simmons refused. Rivers asked again. Simmons said no again.

Rivers then told Simmons he should go home, and Simmons dropped the ball and left.

Hahahahahahha he should go home wow Simmons hates docs guts now I guess, that didn't take long

[Kblaze8855]

“At the end of the day, our job is not to babysit somebody,” Embiid said. “We get paid for on the court, go out and play hard, win some games, that’s what we get paid for. We don’t get paid to come out here and try to babysit somebody. That’s not our job, and I’m sure my teammates feel that way.”.


Little more of Embiid s interview.

[Kblaze8855]

He also said their chemistry has been “popping” lately without him.

At this point don’t you just have to go get whatever decent shooting 3 and D guy you can for him?


Both sides played this so poorly. Though if he gets traded to a good team that only gives up peanuts for him maybe we will realize tanking his value worked out for him.

Who wants to get traded to a team that gave up everything to get you? Like Kobe and the Bulls. He wanted out but not to a Bulls team that had to include Deng to get him.

If he goes for pennies and is in a good situation….I guess he wins. But it’s hard see an image rehab at this point. He’s a much better on the floor player than his reputation right now but there’s no accounting for being a jackass in a team sport that requires buy in.

[000]

Ben simmons is just javale mcgee if they let him run the offense. Except mcgee actually likes taking threes

[Mask the Embiid]

Good riddance. I want him gone. Glad he’s not pretending like everything is good.Force these mfs to trade your ass

[tontoz]

Cant fault Embiid here. Can you imagine how guys like MJ/Magic/Bird/Shaq would have reacted to a puzzy like Simmons? They would have torn into him a long time ago.

[FultzNationRISE]

:roll:

The Sixers have increasingly turned into a dumpster fire since Hinkie's departure. They had like one brief season there where I really felt this was potentially going to be a dynasty afterwards when they had Belinelli, Redick, Fultz, Saric & Ilyasova but they have just progressively ****ed it up since then.


You thought Belinelli, Redick, Fultz, Saric & Ilyasova was a potential dynasty...?

[Kblaze8855]

That is a pretty good group of role players to plug into a lineup of 3 all stars. Just especially. I couldn’t believe they let him go.

[LAL]

:roll:

The Sixers have increasingly turned into a dumpster fire since Hinkie's departure. They had like one brief season there where I really felt this was potentially going to be a dynasty afterwards when they had Belinelli, Redick, Fultz, Saric & Ilyasova but they have just progressively ****ed it up since then.

And for it to take this long for them to look into getting Simmons some counseling is actually insane. He's been scared to shoot in game for years now. You can't shoot like that in summer pickup games and also drill shot after shot beyond the three point line during shoot around then go to not being able to do anything at all in an actual game and have it not be mostly psychological.

Fultz got away with getting into a motorcycle accident which turned into a mental block... and they could have had Tatum. Draft decisions are an easy 20/20, but still.


And then to top all of this off, they could have had Harden last year for Simmons? LOL.

The organization (Doc Rivers) does all it can do to tank Simmons' trade value EVEN FURTHER and then they blame him for being butthurt about it.

Just absolutely unreal how much of a dumpster fire that organization is right now.

You must be a liberal snowflake. **** that piece of shit clown, what a joke of player. Ungrateful, unprofessional, entitled, never shoots starting max contract point guard for a historic team. **** you and that sensitive fashion boy.

Take this garbage to realgm, those sjw's love to make excuses for dumb people like that.

[SouBeachTalents]

He also said their chemistry has been “popping” lately without him.

At this point don’t you just have to go get whatever decent shooting 3 and D guy you can for him?


Both sides played this so poorly. Though if he gets traded to a good team that only gives up peanuts for him maybe we will realize tanking his value worked out for him.

Who wants to get traded to a team that gave up everything to get you? Like Kobe and the Bulls. He wanted out but not to a Bulls team that had to include Deng to get him.

If he goes for pennies and is in a good situation….I guess he wins. But it’s hard see an image rehab at this point. He’s a much better on the floor player than his reputation right now but there’s no accounting for being a jackass in a team sport that requires buy in.
If you’re a contender and can get the guy for peanuts, it’d be very tempting to make that trade. But he’s reached Kyrie status where, regardless of the deal you make for him, he’s probably more trouble than he’s worth. I’d personally be worried about risking locker room chemistry bringing someone like him in.

[LAL]

Anyone seen the clip how he was defending in practice?? Would've dropkicked the living shit out of him. What a joke.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Offense instantly gets better when he's off the court.


42-16 with him

7-7 without him


Simmons was valuable in the regular season. He's like the point guard version of Gobert, great defensive anchor and winner in regular season but playoffs turns into a goofy f*ck.

I'm still on simmons side here though, doc\embiid are f'n idiots for throwing him under the bus after a playoff elimination. How did they expect simmons to react to that.

[Shogon]

You thought Belinelli, Redick, Fultz, Saric & Ilyasova was a potential dynasty...?

They were insanely good complimentary pieces to surround what I thought Embiid and Simmons would both become.

Neither Embiid nor Simmons became whom I hoped they would.

Embiid and or his coaches refuse to consistently put him in the post and Simmons refuses to get out of his own head.

They're both far more talented than what they do on the court and they both would be much more highly touted if they lived up to their talent, but they don't live up to it, and as a result... they aren't. It is what it is.

[ArbitraryWater]

You thought Belinelli, Redick, Fultz, Saric & Ilyasova was a potential dynasty...?


That was an amazing fit.

[ArbitraryWater]

You must be a liberal snowflake. **** that piece of shit clown, what a joke of player. Ungrateful, unprofessional, entitled, never shoots starting max contract point guard for a historic team. **** you and that sensitive fashion boy.

Take this garbage to realgm, those sjw's love to make excuses for dumb people like that.

wut

[fsvr54]

I knew this kid was a joke since his rookie season. Nobody listened.

[ralph_i_el]

I knew this kid was a joke since his rookie season. Nobody listened.

I was fully on board with this starting with the playoff game where he scored 1 point.

[BurningHammer]

Ben is only back to Sixers for the money. If he wanted out that bad he would have sat at home waiting for his value being low enough to be traded.

Unless he somehow manages to completely change his image, his legacy is now ruined.

[Kblaze8855]

I knew this kid was a joke since his rookie season. Nobody listened.

Being a dick and bad at basketball aren’t the same thing. If you’re enough of one that a team can’t function around you it does bleed over though.

[fsvr54]

Being a dick and bad at basketball aren’t the same thing. If you’re enough of one that a team can’t function around you it does bleed over though.

I just think he was mad overrated for what he brought to the table. Mentality leads to success too.

[FultzNationRISE]

They were insanely good complimentary pieces to surround what I thought Embiid and Simmons would both become.

Neither Embiid nor Simmons became whom I hoped they would.

Embiid and or his coaches refuse to consistently put him in the post and Simmons refuses to get out of his own head.

They're both far more talented than what they do on the court and they both would be much more highly touted if they lived up to their talent, but they don't live up to it, and as a result... they aren't. It is what it is.

I mean it’s hard to complain with what Embiid’s doing now, regardless of where he gets his points. Simmons I never thought would be elite. I remember his attitude being a question mark from early on, and it felt like he was nothing “more than an athlete” (unlike Lebron) on the basketball court.

My point is sure those role players are nice... but DYNASTY?? You must have had a shit ton of confidence in Embiid, Simmons, and Fultz. Which obviously was jumping the gun quite a bit when it came to the latter two.

[Kblaze8855]

I just think he was mad overrated for what he brought to the table. Mentality leads to success too.

I don’t think it’s easy for a guy like him to be overrated in general. The kind of fan who thinks basketball ability can be determined by ppg has always hated him and there are millions of them.

If you are the type to make contribution over 150 trips down the floor by both teams a question of if you personally made 2 or 6 field goals you didn’t rep someone like Ben to begin with. And really….that’s most basketball fans. There’s a reason hes far more highly regarded by coaches and internal basketball types than fans. Fans have rated him fairly low forever.

Its the coaches and real basketball people who have been giving him the accolades. And they are greatly outnumbered by fans who don’t think anyone who scored 6 could be helping in a major way.

[PP34Deuce]

There were multiple HOF nba guys who personally didn't like Ben Simmons attitude. I remember Tmac said something about him.

The dude had questions out of LSU around maturity, and not playing hard. Typically a player who's considered lazy in College usually carries that over.

The fear Sixers have is he very well can be a 21PPG 9RPG 10APG stud with elite level defense.

He's a jerk. move on. Take the L.

[Proctor]

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:roll:

[Gohan]

:roll:

The Sixers have increasingly turned into a dumpster fire since Hinkie's departure. They had like one brief season there where I really felt this was potentially going to be a dynasty afterwards when they had Belinelli, Redick, Fultz, Saric & Ilyasova but they have just progressively ****ed it up since then.

And for it to take this long for them to look into getting Simmons some counseling is actually insane. He's been scared to shoot in game for years now. You can't shoot like that in summer pickup games and also drill shot after shot beyond the three point line during shoot around then go to not being able to do anything at all in an actual game and have it not be mostly psychological.

Fultz got away with getting into a motorcycle accident which turned into a mental block... and they could have had Tatum. Draft decisions are an easy 20/20, but still.


And then to top all of this off, they could have had Harden last year for Simmons? LOL.

The organization (Doc Rivers) does all it can do to tank Simmons' trade value EVEN FURTHER and then they blame him for being butthurt about it.

Just absolutely unreal how much of a dumpster fire that organization is right now.

Wait, they could have gotten harden for simmons? They are f’ing retarded and im not even talking in hindsight. Thats like getting prime iverson back. They are beyond retarded

[jlip]

There were multiple HOF nba guys who personally didn't like Ben Simmons attitude. I remember Tmac said something about him.

The dude had questions out of LSU around maturity, and not playing hard. Typically a player who's considered lazy in College usually carries that over.

The fear Sixers have is he very well can be a 21PPG 9RPG 10APG stud with elite level defense.

He's a jerk. move on. Take the L.

Didn't he sit out or refuse to play in the NIT or something like that? I forgot what it was.

[Druckenmiller]

The fundamental problem with Ben Simmons is he would be the biggest pvssy in the WNBA let alone the NBA.

[fourkicks44]

Wait, they could have gotten harden for simmons? They are f’ing retarded and im not even talking in hindsight. Thats like getting prime iverson back. They are beyond retarded


I think it should be pretty obvious now that Houston didn't want Simmons and to top it off was pissed at Morey too.

If Morey could have gotten Harden he would have.

[Shogon]

I think it should be pretty obvious now that Houston didn't want Simmons and to top it off was pissed at Morey too.

If Morey could have gotten Harden he would have.

You honestly think Ben Simmons' trade value LAST OFFSEASON was lower than multiple low 1st round draft picks?

Morey probably didn't want to cough up too many picks and that was the end of it.

The Rockets ended up getting 4 first round picks, and 3 pick swaps. 2022, 2024, 2026. Swaps in 2021, 2023, 2025, 2027. And there's more than a good chance that none of those 7 ever come close to being as good as Simmons is.

2022 = garbage. 2024 = likely garbage. 2026 = might not be garbage, but it still might be. 2021 swap? Garbage. 2023 swap? Garbage. 2025 swap? Probably garbage. 2027 swap? Unable to tell.

The Rockets likely wanted more picks than Morey was willing to part with and that's that.

There's no way that the Sixers couldn't have beaten that packaged had they wanted to. The Rockets got jack and shit.

[Embers]

Surely Simmons knows of a trade package 76ers keep rejecting and he wants them to accept it

Even though it’s been downplayed I think it’s Warriors for Wiggins plus extras

I don’t really see him and Green as that big of a issue. The same spacing exists in the Green Looney duo too for example

[Jasper]

:roll:

The Sixers have increasingly turned into a dumpster fire since Hinkie's departure. They had like one brief season there where I really felt this was potentially going to be a dynasty afterwards when they had Belinelli, Redick, Fultz, Saric & Ilyasova but they have just progressively ****ed it up since then.

And for it to take this long for them to look into getting Simmons some counseling is actually insane. He's been scared to shoot in game for years now. You can't shoot like that in summer pickup games and also drill shot after shot beyond the three point line during shoot around then go to not being able to do anything at all in an actual game and have it not be mostly psychological.

Fultz got away with getting into a motorcycle accident which turned into a mental block... and they could have had Tatum. Draft decisions are an easy 20/20, but still.


And then to top all of this off, they could have had Harden last year for Simmons? LOL.

The organization (Doc Rivers) does all it can do to tank Simmons' trade value EVEN FURTHER and then they blame him for being butthurt about it.

Just absolutely unreal how much of a dumpster fire that organization is right now.

I agree with you.

[bladefd]

He also said their chemistry has been “popping” lately without him.

At this point don’t you just have to go get whatever decent shooting 3 and D guy you can for him?



I would try for Beal or McCollum.. Preferably Beal and call it a day. Wizards will need some convincing to let Beal go, but it's doable if Morey didn't push for fleecing the Wizards

[SATAN]

Thanks, Ben. This is highly entertaining. Keep up the good work.

[bladefd]

Surely Simmons knows of a trade package 76ers keep rejecting and he wants them to accept it

Even though it’s been downplayed I think it’s Warriors for Wiggins plus extras

I don’t really see him and Green as that big of a issue. The same spacing exists in the Green Looney duo too for example

Wiggins is horrendous. I will leave it at that.

[j3lademaster]

Surely Simmons knows of a trade package 76ers keep rejecting and he wants them to accept it

Even though it’s been downplayed I think it’s Warriors for Wiggins plus extras

I don’t really see him and Green as that big of a issue. The same spacing exists in the Green Looney duo too for exampleThat's because the Warriors are the exception to the spacing rule. At the end of the day it comes down to how much defensive attention 3 point shooters draw towards the perimeter. Normally, the spacing they want requires 3 or 4 3 point shooters, but Steph literally does that by himself... and still drops insanely efficient 30 ppg. And then we have Klay coming back, who many think is the 2nd or 3rd best shooter of all time.

[Taurus]

Between this and the Nets having $35 million in cap space sitting at home, Bucks should be the favorites to make it out of the East again.

Very interested to see if the Hawks take another leap or regress

[dreamshake]

Sixers should set an example and suspend Simmons for the entire season unpaid

[dreamshake]

Sixers had Brogdon and a future first round pick on the table. Bet they’re regretting not taking that offer now. No one wants the cancer that is Ben Simmons.

[DoctorP]

Trade Simmons, fire Doc.

Simmons is overpaid, thats one issue.

I'd love to see Simmons on the Warriors. Trade Green for Simmons. Two overpaid players. One old, one young.

[HylianNightmare]

Between this and the Nets having $35 million in cap space sitting at home, Bucks should be the favorites to make it out of the East again.

Very interested to see if the Hawks take another leap or regress

This it is absolutely wild how much of a shit show that East is

[Jasper]

typical Drymond Green game for Warriors --- about 5 points 8 boards 6 dimes , and Ben Simmons can't even do that:confusedshrug:

[Shogon]

I mean it’s hard to complain with what Embiid’s doing now, regardless of where he gets his points.

I'm not saying he's not amazing. He is. But ONE of the things holding him back from becoming more is him jacking up 3 point shots. He actually shot 37% last year from 3 which is amazing for someone his size. It was actually above league average! But the problem is games are bigger than box scores, and no teams are trying to double his ass at the 3 point line. What I'm telling you is that his impact on the game is less because he's out on the perimeter too much. If he camped down low, teams would have to double more often or give up easy buckets inside. And instead of those barely average 3 point shots he's taking, camping the paint would lead to the other team having to run around more, use more energy, and cough up open 3s for guys like Seth Curry that shoot way above league average. There are very few centers in the league that can guard him down low without help and it's an actual travesty that his coaches continue to encourage him to/allow him to shoot multiple 3s per game. Average doesn't win championships and his gravity at the 3 point line is garbage.

I thought he would have been better, health aside. He isn't. It is what it is.



Simmons I never thought would be elite. I remember his attitude being a question mark from early on, and it felt like he was nothing “more than an athlete” (unlike Lebron) on the basketball court.

My point is sure those role players are nice... but DYNASTY?? You must have had a shit ton of confidence in Embiid, Simmons, and Fultz. Which obviously was jumping the gun quite a bit when it came to the latter two.

Yes, I was super super high on Embiid and Simmons.

Simmons was a breath away from being LeBron 2.0 but that ship has sailed. The people that said he had an attitude problem were right. The people that said he can't shoot were wrong. He won't shoot and now he's so far deep inside his own head he might as well not be able to shoot because being scared to shoot instead... well... the outcome is the same. It might actually be worse.

Simmons will probably look substantially better on a team that is built around him, but nevertheless, yeah... it's pretty clear now that he's EXTREMELY unlikely to take the next leap of overcoming the mental hurdle re: shooting in game.

[Shogon]

I actually think, with teams built around each player, Simmons still has a higher ceiling than Embiid. In terms of impact on teammates and winning. Strictly from a basketball perspective. Leadership might be another thing entirely, but I digress.

I know that's crazy talk for a guy that's unwilling to shoot and is completely shook when comparing him to an MVP candidate, but that's how I feel.

Ben Simmons attacks the basket and takes shots in the paint more often than Embiid does. That is ****ing insane to think about.

150~ more attempts in the paint last year. Granted, he played like 7 more games or something, but still that does not account for the difference. The difference becomes even more accentuated when you realize that Simmons attacks the paint and basket less with Embiid in the game and shoots less in games he plays with Embiid.

Give Simmons four three point shooters and his team will win more games than Embiid's team. Simmons will shoot more shots in the paint thus drawing more attention down low AND he's obviously a much much better passer. Book that shit.

But that's the problem though, you need to specifically build a team around Simmons. You can't just plug him in anywhere. Embiid IS the type of player that you can basically plug in anywhere and you're still going to get elite play. That's the best I can tell you.

[RRR3]

I’m not sure what more you can expect from Embiid besides health after last season. There have been at most maybe 10 centers to ever reach the level he played at in 2020-21. He also HAS to take 3s playing with Simmons so weird to complain about that. And he shot 3s well last year.

[rawimpact]

Sixers should set an example and suspend Simmons for the entire season unpaid

That's not how NBA contracts work dumbass

[rmt]

I actually think, with teams built around each player, Simmons still has a higher ceiling than Embiid. In terms of impact on teammates and winning. Strictly from a basketball perspective. Leadership might be another thing entirely, but I digress.

I know that's crazy talk for a guy that's unwilling to shoot and is completely shook when comparing him to an MVP candidate, but that's how I feel.

Ben Simmons attacks the basket and takes shots in the paint more often than Embiid does. That is ****ing insane to think about.

150~ more attempts in the paint last year. Granted, he played like 7 more games or something, but still that does not account for the difference. The difference becomes even more accentuated when you realize that Simmons attacks the paint and basket less with Embiid in the game and shoots less in games he plays with Embiid.

Give Simmons four three point shooters and his team will win more games than Embiid's team. Simmons will shoot more shots in the paint thus drawing more attention down low AND he's obviously a much much better passer. Book that shit.

But that's the problem though, you need to specifically build a team around Simmons. You can't just plug him in anywhere. Embiid IS the type of player that you can basically plug in anywhere and you're still going to get elite play. That's the best I can tell you.

Why divorce the basketball from the mental/leadership? Doesn't matter how talented one is - without the right attitude, it's meaningless.

Prima donna - what - everything's gotta be catered to him? He can't adjust to everyone else - smh

[insight]

No other sport can build a player up and tear them down like the NBA. One year ago, Coaches, pundits and many fans claimed Ben Simmons should be a All-Star over Trae Young. He was given the title of BEST DEFENDER in the league. One year later he is a cancer and impossible to win with.

There were always reports that Ben and Embid had a bad relationship throughout the years, I think both view it as an opportunity to part ways. Ironically before last season people were talking about moving Embid because he couldn't stay healthy.

[Shogon]

Why divorce the basketball from the mental/leadership? Doesn't matter how talented one is - without the right attitude, it's meaningless.

Prima donna - what - everything's gotta be catered to him? He can't adjust to everyone else - smh

Fair enough... we'll see.

[Shogon]

I’m not sure what more you can expect from Embiid besides health after last season. There have been at most maybe 10 centers to ever reach the level he played at in 2020-21. He also HAS to take 3s playing with Simmons so weird to complain about that. And he shot 3s well last year.

Well here you go... here's his chance to prove me wrong. Oh wait... averaging 3x 3pas in the preseason... shooting at? League average.

Those are automatically 3 blown possessions per game... of every single game. BLOWN.

[SATAN]

Sixers should set an example and suspend Simmons for the entire season unpaid

They should just kill him already.

[Absolut Prince]

This is entirely the fault of Ben Simmons being an entitled coward. Colangelo catered to him over Embiid. Brand traded away Jimmy to keep Ben happy. They gave him a max contract, built a roster for him, and made Embiid shoot more 3s to open up the paint for him. I can't think of a perfectly built contender that wasted their assets like Bryan Colangelo and Elton Brand did. I'm not going to put any of it at the feet of Darryl Morey.

Instead of playing through trade rumors or improving his jumpshot, he has done everything in his power to tank his trade value. The problem is... sure you don't want the team trading for you to give up a ton of assets... your salary is gigantic. To make anything match, the 76ers have to take someone back of value. Ben has destroyed his trade value to the point where no one would trade anyone who would match his salary.

This is the same playbook that Rich Paul and Klutch Sports played with Anthony Davis. This is the same playbook that James Harden played. The problem is... both those guys are top 10 players in the league. Ben Simmons is nowhere close. Morey and the 76ers held firm their value and were waiting for a trade deadline deal. That's a normal reasonable thing to do when you're a contender. Ben has failed to behave reasonably at any point here, but I guess that's what happens when a right handed dude insists that he's left handed.

[ralph_i_el]

I actually think, with teams built around each player, Simmons still has a higher ceiling than Embiid. In terms of impact on teammates and winning. Strictly from a basketball perspective. Leadership might be another thing entirely, but I digress.



Ben Simmons attacks the basket and takes shots in the paint more often than Embiid does. That is ****ing insane to think about.



This is absolutely insane to me. What is more valuable than a mobile 7' defensive stud who can shoot and score from the post?

Of course Simmons attacks the paint more than Embiid. When Embiid has the ball, Simmons doesn't, so his defender can hedge down to the paint. When Simmons has the ball, the defense has to respect the other guy's shot.

Also, of course you're going to get a bunch of paint shots when you don't have the option to shoot from anywhere else, and your entire game is predicated on forcing fast-breaks (which, statistically, were not efficient for Simmons. He shot a low % on fastbreaks and turned the ball over 20% of the time last year).

[RRR3]

Well here you go... here's his chance to prove me wrong. Oh wait... averaging 3x 3pas in the preseason... shooting at? League average.

Those are automatically 3 blown possessions per game... of every single game. BLOWN.
Those aren’t blown possessions to anyone who understands modern basketball. Shooting at league average from 3 adds another dimension to his game. Maybe Ben should learn how to shoot if you want Embiid to attack the rim more.

[RRR3]

This is absolutely insane to me. What is more valuable than a mobile 7' defensive stud who can shoot and score from the post?

Of course Simmons attacks the paint more than Embiid. When Embiid has the ball, Simmons doesn't, so his defender can hedge down to the paint. When Simmons has the ball, the defense has to respect the other guy's shot.

Also, of course you're going to get a bunch of paint shots when you don't have the option to shoot from anywhere else, and your entire game is predicated on forcing fast-breaks (which, statistically, were not efficient for Simmons. He shot a low % on fastbreaks and turned the ball over 20% of the time last year).
He’s stuck in 1995 and butthurt Embiid doesn’t spam 20 second back downs

[insight]

This is entirely the fault of Ben Simmons being an entitled coward. Colangelo catered to him over Embiid. Brand traded away Jimmy to keep Ben happy. They gave him a max contract, built a roster for him, and made Embiid shoot more 3s to open up the paint for him. I can't think of a perfectly built contender that wasted their assets like Bryan Colangelo and Elton Brand did. I'm not going to put any of it at the feet of Darryl Morey.

Instead of playing through trade rumors or improving his jumpshot, he has done everything in his power to tank his trade value. The problem is... sure you don't want the team trading for you to give up a ton of assets... your salary is gigantic. To make anything match, the 76ers have to take someone back of value. Ben has destroyed his trade value to the point where no one would trade anyone who would match his salary.

This is the same playbook that Rich Paul and Klutch Sports played with Anthony Davis. This is the same playbook that James Harden played. The problem is... both those guys are top 10 players in the league. Ben Simmons is nowhere close. Morey and the 76ers held firm their value and were waiting for a trade deadline deal. That's a normal reasonable thing to do when you're a contender. Ben has failed to behave reasonably at any point here, but I guess that's what happens when a right handed dude insists that he's left handed.

Sure Ben Simmons owns some responsiblity for the situation but the truth is the 76rs have been a disfunctional organization and the problems are deeper than Ben Simmons.
Let's not forget Al Hortford, Jimmy Butler and many others could not make it work with the sixers. Doc Rivers Clippers had similar chemistry issues and had people questioning Kwahi Leonard and Paul George's abilities. Paul had a terrible playoffs in the bubble, but Ty lue didn't call him out and maintained a unified front. Even if Doc wanted to trade Ben Simmons he should have never publicly thrown him under the bus and allowed other teammates to do it too. Ben is not the first player to choke in the playoffs, Doc should have used it to let Ben know he needs to improve offensely or traded him quietly.

Don't forget Doc is always looking for someone to scapegoat. Remember how much he was complaining about the officiating in the series, instead of focusing on stopping the Hawks.

[eliteballer]

Is he for real… https://www.instagram.com/p/CVQrJqrlf8k/?utm_medium=copy_link

[tontoz]

Is he for real… https://www.instagram.com/p/CVQrJqrlf8k/?utm_medium=copy_link


That is pretty bad. :facepalm

[ralph_i_el]

Is he for real… https://www.instagram.com/p/CVQrJqrlf8k/?utm_medium=copy_link

Dear ****ing God. The difference is, Giannis isn't a coward. Giannis is also significantly longer. Giannis also has legit big man skills. Giannis quit dribbling so much on the perimeter and started dominating the paint.

If this is real, Simmons is delusional.

[fsvr54]

Straight up clown

[Gudo]

Is he for real… https://www.instagram.com/p/CVQrJqrlf8k/?utm_medium=copy_link

Wtf? This guy has zero accountability.

[beasted]

Is he for real… https://www.instagram.com/p/CVQrJqrlf8k/?utm_medium=copy_link

That quote has to be fake, right?

[000]

Lol this is just another of the 745647566 instagram nba meme pages, why would you assume its legit

[LAL]

I said from day one that the kid is mentally not okay. Also his sister wrongly accused her step brother of sexually assaulting her.

[outofstomach]

https://www.nme.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/joker_03-920x460.jpg
:lol

[clipps]

Must be CTE. NFL players and boxers are no where near as retarded as Ben Simmons is, though.

[brownmamba00]

Its obvious he's jealous of the attention Embiid is getting from the fans and media.

Funny thing is these dudes haven't won jack shit and they already tryna part ways:lol

Goofy dudes

[RoseCity07]

Philly is going to hold out as long as they can but at what cost? He's such a cancer. Ben Simmons trade value is in the toilet.

[dreamwarrior]

Send him to the Lakers. LeBron doesn't want anyone taking away his shots

[bladefd]

Is he for real… https://www.instagram.com/p/CVQrJqrlf8k/?utm_medium=copy_link

What is next? Simmons and Embiid fistfight? This saga is getting out of hand :oldlol:

Simmons needs to be traded fast.

[72-10]

It'll be a hard pill to swallow if he breaks his hand in a real fight

[Jasper]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32443071/philadelphia-76ers-regroup-team-dinner-opening-romp-new-orleans-pelicans

6'ers eat good , no Simmons to sniff on.

[SlickRick]

I don’t think it’s easy for a guy like him to be overrated in general. The kind of fan who thinks basketball ability can be determined by ppg has always hated him and there are millions of them.

If you are the type to make contribution over 150 trips down the floor by both teams a question of if you personally made 2 or 6 field goals you didn’t rep someone like Ben to begin with. And really….that’s most basketball fans. There’s a reason hes far more highly regarded by coaches and internal basketball types than fans. Fans have rated him fairly low forever.

Its the coaches and real basketball people who have been giving him the accolades. And they are greatly outnumbered by fans who don’t think anyone who scored 6 could be helping in a major way.

Bet you wouldn't trade Lonzo for Ben Simmons :oldlol:

[getting_old]

I miss the good old days when this kind of behaviour resulted in rehab for whatever substance is causing this....

[Charlie Sheen]

I miss the good old days when this kind of behaviour resulted in rehab for whatever substance is causing this....

I dont think it is drugs. This might be the first time Ben has ever had to look himself in the mirror and accept he has to be better. Instead, he doubled down and his behind his agent blaming everyone else for his failures.

[Jasper]

the saga continues : https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32446599/ben-simmons-skips-individual-workout-philadelphia-76ers-facility-sources-say

You know if this guy was not paid what he getting , we wouldn't give a shit , but this could turn a few teams around , if and when he gets moved and
how many trade partners occur.
It's really sad a promising player , gets a huge contract , because a franchise is pressured to retain his services , and the guy goes south on his own profession.
(as far as I am concerned , I hope 6'ers retain him , and some how doesn't pay him a dime. )


I dont think it is drugs. This might be the first time Ben has ever had to look himself in the mirror and accept he has to be better. Instead, he doubled down and his behind his agent blaming everyone else for his failures.

so true ... that could equate to a spoiled brat.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Philly is going to hold out as long as they can but at what cost? He's such a cancer. Ben Simmons trade value is in the toilet.

If he wants to be unprofessional about it then keep on suspending him for conduct detrimental while you work on the trade. As his value is low anyway They wouldn't be doing much damage.

[bladefd]

Morey going all in. He is not going to accept a lowball offer that other teams are offering. I don't blame him, but he has very little leverage tbh. He is not getting a superstar or even a decent star in return. Beal might not even be realistic..


Daryl Morey on @975TheFanatic : "Would you rather eliminate what people perceive to be a distraction, or would you rather have better playoff odds? I'll take playoff odds...Whatever we have to deal with that helps the Philadelphia 76ers win the title, we'll do it."

Morey on his timeline: "You're going to think I'm kidding, I'm not. This could (go on for) 4 years. ... We're in the prime of Joel's career...Either Ben Simmons is playing for us, or we have to get back a difference maker."

"I will go through mud, muck, across barbed wire. Whatever pain or process it takes to win a title. It's annoying to you, but it is not annoying to us. It is a uniting factor right now."

[Jasper]

now he has stated that he has a mental disability , and he now will get paid to not play !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32452090/ben-simmons-tells-philadelphia-76ers-not-mentally-ready-play-sources-say

[Real Men Wear Green]

"Not mentally ready to play." I look at him on paper and think he would be an awesome fit with the Celtics starting unit but the things he says and the way he acts would probably drive me nuts.

[Charlie Sheen]

Watching this unfold got me thinking how Joel has faced tougher criticism. First no one thought he'd have a career longer than a couple seasons. Next he was labeled Al Horford's bitch in the playoffs. Then he was pictured crying after a tough loss.

Today he's a legit MVP candidate. :applause:

[Real Men Wear Green]

Embiid has never been called a scared soft choker. He also didn't earn such labels.

[Charlie Sheen]

Embiid has never been called a scared soft choker. He also didn't earn such labels.

It was close when the C's bounced them and the narrative was Horford giving it to him. You probably didn't notice/care being a Celtics fan though :lol

[fourkicks44]

Not mentally fit to play?

No shit, Ben. Everyone that has watched your pro career for the last 4 years and last years playoffs know this.

That's the whole f"cking problem in the first place, you retard.

[Jasper]

woj : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHChqHxoQvI

[Spurs m8]

Dude is scared to face his fans and the Nets.

[bladefd]

Obviously more bs antics from Simmons to still get paid without having to play. We all know if he was traded tomorrow, this mental health issue would be gone the very next day.

This will set a precedent. If a player demands trade and the team can't find a reasonable trade, the player will just declare mental health issue to keep getting paid while still not in attendance. I don't know how the league will deal with this exploit. It's ridiculous.

[Jasper]

Obviously more bs antics from Simmons to still get paid without having to play. We all know if he was traded tomorrow, this mental health issue would be gone the very next day.

This will set a precedent. If a player demands trade and the team can't find a reasonable trade, the player will just declare mental health issue to keep getting paid while still not in attendance. I don't know how the league will deal with this exploit. It's ridiculous.

I think the Player association as well as the NBA will need to work out something.
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