Kobe won 2 championships without a top 75 GOAT teammate

[Ca$H]

LeBron has 1, Curry has 1, and Jordan has zero. Curry also won the most regular season games in NBA history despite not having a top 75 GOAT teammate.

https://twitter.com/HowardBeck/status/1451326032854798344/photo/1

[2much_knowledge]

Kobe, only one since mikan to do it back to back

GoatBE
AlphaBE

[Axe]

Both kobe and curry blew 3-1 leads in the playoffs.

Carry on.

[Kobe_Bryant]

Both kobe and curry blew 3-1 leads in the playoffs.

Carry on.

if it wasn't for an offensive rebound we win that series

i dropped 50 in game 6 and we still lost so the media trashed me for shooting too much. so in game 7 i scored 24 on 50% shooting and passed every time they doubled me and we lost even worse

so theres nothing more i coulda done. we just didn't have a good team and they were the 2nd seed



and as for the warriors i think we can blame that on the cavs/adam silver colluding to suspend draymond

[Axe]

if it wasn't for an offensive rebound we win that series

i dropped 50 in game 6 and we still lost so the media trashed me for shooting too much. so in game 7 i scored 24 on 50% shooting and passed every time they doubled me and we lost even worse

so theres nothing more i coulda done. we just didn't have a good team and they were the 2nd seed



and as for the warriors i think we can blame that on the cavs/adam silver colluding to suspend draymond
Reasons and excuses, i see.

[Kobe_Bryant]

Reasonable excuses, i see.

yup

[3ba11]

MJ won 6 Finals with a defensive role player producing very little, including 2 Finals at 15.7 ppg with worst-ever efficiency (unprecedented carry-jobs)

and an entire 3-peat Playoffs at 17.6 on 41% (96-98' Playoffs)

or 6 Finals at 19.0 on 42%

[Axe]

MJ won 6 Finals with a defensive role player, including 2 Finals at 15.7 ppg (unprecedented)

and an entire 3-peat Playoffs at 17.6 on 41%

or 6 Finals at 19.0 on 42%
Who also led his team to 55 wins and took the ecf champions to 7 games in 1994 without his first option.

[3ba11]

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Comparing Iggy & Pippen as 1st options in Playoffs against East champs (Dwight/Ewing)


Iguodala 2009 Playoffs vs Dwight.... 21.5... 6.3... 6.7... 44.9%... lost in 6 (no kukoc miracle)

Pippen 1994 Playoffs vs Ewing......... 21.7... 7.7... 4.7... 40.5%... lost in 7 (kukoc miracle)


Pippen was an Iggy-level player that was simply lucky to play alongside the GOAT in a 2-star vs 2-star format (90's) - anyone wins alongisde the goat in that format.




Who also led his team to 55 wins and took the ecf champions to 7 games in 1994 without his first option.


No one has ever gotten credit for those things, aka 55 wins or 2nd Round loss to non-champs - that's Blake Griffin or Kyle Lowry level stuff, or when Iggy won 57 in 2013 - so it doesn't belong alongside Giannis or Dirk's towering performance en route to historic title, which is what the top 75 is supposed to be and infact is..... except for Pippen of course, where an exception is made and 55 wins with 2nd Round loss is allowed into top 75.. call it the Jordan effect

So Pippen getting credit for ordinary things that no one else gets credit for proves he doesn't deserve the praise he gets.. People for some reason give him credit for rings like he's a 1st option when he's possibly the lowest-producing sidekick that ever won multiple titles with confirmed worst scoring & efficiency to win multiple Finals

[Axe]

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Comparing Iggy & Pippen as 1st options in Playoffs against East champs (Dwight/Ewing)


Iguodala 2009 Playoffs vs Dwight.... 21.5... 6.3... 6.7... 44.9%... lost in 6 (no kukoc miracle)

Pippen 1994 Playoffs vs Ewing......... 21.7... 7.7... 4.7... 40.5%... lost in 7 (kukoc miracle)


Pippen was an Iggy-level player that was simply lucky to play alongside the GOAT in a 2-star vs 2-star format (90's) - anyone wins alongisde the goat in that format.






No one has ever gotten credit for those things, aka 55 wins or 2nd Round loss to non-champs - that's Blake Griffin or Kyle Lowry level stuff, or when Iggy won 57 in 2013 - so it doesn't belong alongside Giannis or Dirk's towering performance en route to historic title, which is what the top 75 is supposed to be and infact is..... except for Pippen of course, where an exception is made and 55 wins with 2nd Round loss is allowed into top 75.. call it the Jordan effect

So Pippen getting credit for ordinary things that no one else gets credit for proves he doesn't deserve the praise he gets.. People for some reason give him credit for rings like he's a 1st option when he's possibly the lowest-producing sidekick that ever won multiple titles with confirmed worst scoring & efficiency to win multiple Finals
Let's just say that mj never had a winning season without him.

Also kobe. No 50 win seasons without big men like shaq and pau by his side.

[3ba11]

Let's just say that mj never had a winning season without him.





You're weaponizing a coincidence that the only years Jordan didn't have Pippen are his first couple years, when basically EVERYONE is lottery, like Lebron, Giannis, Curry and KD (all the goats)

So can you see how weak (and low character) your argument is? (essentially ceding that MJ is goat)

[Axe]

You're weaponizing a coincidence that the only years Jordan didn't have Pippen are his first couple years, when basically EVERYONE is lottery, like Lebron, Giannis, Curry and KD (all the goats)

So can you see how weak (and low character) your argument is? (essentially ceding that MJ is goat)
He never led the wizards to a playoff spot at all. Kobe also never did in 2014-16, his last three years in the league.

[3ba11]

He never led the wizards to a playoff spot at all. Kobe also never did in 2014-16, his last three years in the league.


Again, you're weaponizing a coincidence!!! Everyone loses at 40!! (as 1st option).. infact, MJ was probably the first 40-year old 1st option.. Lebron wasn't even 1st option at 34

[Axe]

Again, you're weaponizing a coincidence!!! Everyone loses at 40!! (as 1st option).. infact, MJ was probably the first 40-year old 1st option.. Lebron wasn't even 1st option at 34
Except kobe wasn't 40 years old when that happened, dumbass.

[bdonovan]

2004 Detroit Pistons won arguably without any Top 75's.

[bison]

The worst thing you can say about Kobe is that he’s number 2 behind mj.

[2much_knowledge]

The worst thing you can say about Kobe is that he’s number 2 behind mj.

And thats a great thing in itself. Any player who is debatable #2 behind MJ, its an honor and a high compliment

[Kobe_Bryant]

The worst thing you can say about Kobe is that he’s number 2 behind mj.

this^


I'm number 2 behind wilt and MJs 3rd


https://youtu.be/PjFI2ZSS77Y

[TheCorporation]

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Comparing Iggy & Pippen as 1st options in Playoffs against East champs (Dwight/Ewing)


Iguodala 2009 Playoffs vs Dwight.... 21.5... 6.3... 6.7... 44.9%... lost in 6 (no kukoc miracle)

Pippen 1994 Playoffs vs Ewing......... 21.7... 7.7... 4.7... 40.5%... lost in 7 (kukoc miracle)


Pippen was an Iggy-level player that was simply lucky to play alongside the GOAT in a 2-star vs 2-star format (90's) - anyone wins alongisde the goat in that format.






No one has ever gotten credit for those things, aka 55 wins or 2nd Round loss to non-champs - that's Blake Griffin or Kyle Lowry level stuff, or when Iggy won 57 in 2013 - so it doesn't belong alongside Giannis or Dirk's towering performance en route to historic title, which is what the top 75 is supposed to be and infact is..... except for Pippen of course, where an exception is made and 55 wins with 2nd Round loss is allowed into top 75.. call it the Jordan effect

So Pippen getting credit for ordinary things that no one else gets credit for proves he doesn't deserve the praise he gets.. People for some reason give him credit for rings like he's a 1st option when he's possibly the lowest-producing sidekick that ever won multiple titles with confirmed worst scoring & efficiency to win multiple Finals

Puffing up his font to size 5 = big mad :lol

[TheCorporation]

The worst thing you can say about Kobe is that he’s number 2 behind mj.

That would be the "best" thing...Which is also false.

[rmt]

Using this (stupid) obscure criteria: championships without a top 75 GOAT team mate, Duncan also has 2 - (really 3 as a 38 year old DRob averaging 7.8 pts shouldn't count).

[Kobe_Bryant]

Using this (stupid) obscure criteria: championships without a top 75 GOAT team mate, Duncan also has 2 - (really 3 as a 38 year old DRob averaging 7.8 pts shouldn't count).

I already made a thread acknowledging Duncan's 2 titles without a top 75 all time sidekick and mikans 5.

but if you wanna bite the hand that feeds you then I could argue both Manu and Parker deserved to make that list

[1987_Lakers]

Using this (stupid) obscure criteria: championships without a top 75 GOAT team mate, Duncan also has 2 - (really 3 as a 38 year old DRob averaging 7.8 pts shouldn't count).

The 2003 carry job was more impressive than anything Kobe ever did.

[expansionera]

2004 Detroit Pistons won arguably without any Top 75's.

Because of Kobe chucking

[Kobe_Bryant]

The 2003 carry job was more impressive than Kobe ever accomplished.

didn't Robinson have a game with like 15/20 in that finals lmao.. and wasn't Robinson defending shaq all series lmao

[1987_Lakers]

didn't Robinson have a game with like 15/20 in that finals lmao.. and wasn't Robinson defending shaq all series lmao

All I remember was D-Rob averaging 8-7-1 in the playoffs, a triple single. Parker shooting 40% in the playoffs and Ginobili shooting 39%.

A true carry job, meanwhile Gasol was feasting on opponents.

[Kobe_Bryant]

Duncan sure did have a tough job defending Mark Madsen and Slava medvidenko in 2003 on the way to beating us lmao

[Kobe_Bryant]

Shaq - "I never compare myself to Duncan because he never guarded me. Robinson and Rasho Nasterfuurovidch did"

:lol

[1987_Lakers]

Duncan sure did have a tough job defending Mark Madsen and Slava medvidenko in 2003 on the way to beating us lmao

He eliminated 2 superstars in their prime, making Kobe cry like a baby in the process. Ultimate badass.

[Kobe_Bryant]

Duncan was so great in 2003 that he followed it up with a bronze medal the very next year

:oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

Duncan was so great in 2003 that he followed it up with a bronze medal the very next year

:oldlol:

Kobe was so distraught after what Duncan did to him in 2003 that he ended up raping an innocent girl a few months later.

[000]

Duncan was so great in 2003 that he followed it up with a bronze medal the very next year

:oldlol:
Yeah, thats the craziest part. Duncan isnt really that good, yet he still kicked your ass. And you even had Shaq!

[Kobe_Bryant]

He eliminated 2 superstars in their prime, making Kobe cry like a baby in the process. Ultimate badass.

ya he had such a tough time with a guy that had a torn shoulder and knee that required surgery that derailed my 2004 season and Robert horry going 0 for 20 from 3 including missing the shot that would have won us a game

oh yeah and wasn't that also the year shaq had foot surgery and missed a ton of games lmao


big man beating on 2 guys in wheel chairs with a teammate shooting us out of the series and Robinson cleaning up the middle for him


sooo tough

[1987_Lakers]

Yeah, thats the craziest part. Duncan isnt really that good, yet he still kicked your ass. And you even had Shaq!

:roll:

[Kobe_Bryant]

Yeah, thats the craziest part. Duncan isnt really that good, yet he still kicked your ass. And you even had Shaq!

we were both injured and coming off 3 straight title runs. we were destined to run outa gas or break down

shaq was 350 pounds and I had one arm and one leg

[Kobe_Bryant]

:roll:

so I guess me and shaq shoulda went to 5 straight finals and just ignored our health problems lol

[Kobe_Bryant]

https://youtu.be/wF1uYujpHB0


can't say I didn't do my part

[1987_Lakers]

ya he had such a tough time with a guy that had a torn shoulder and knee that required surgery that derailed my 2004 season and Robert horry going 0 for 20 from 3 including missing the shot that would have won us a game

oh yeah and wasn't that also the year shaq had foot surgery and missed a ton of games lmao


big man beating on 2 guys in wheel chairs with a teammate shooting us out of the series and Robinson cleaning up the middle for him


sooo tough

Duncan had bums on his team in 2003, no excuses.

[2much_knowledge]

Yeah, thats the craziest part. Duncan isnt really that good, yet he still kicked your ass. And you even had Shaq!

Cool and all. But Duncan just can't repeat.

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck9nyiwaTIg

[Kobe_Bryant]

Duncan had bums on his team in 2003, no excuses.

tony Parker, Stephen Jackson, Bruce Bowen, David Robinson are bums?

you know this is back when we had mark Madsen and Slava medvidenko getting minutes right?

[Kobe_Bryant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck9nyiwaTIg

I did my job. I played great

[000]

Cool and all. But Duncan just can't repeat.
Unbelievable. Couldnt beat the league twice in a row, couldnt beat international teams, but he sure as shit could beat up Kobe, and with no help too.

[Kobe_Bryant]

Unbelievable. Couldnt beat the league twice in a row, couldnt beat international teams, but he sure as shit could beat up Kobe, and with no help too.

dude I came 1 shot from beating Duncan 5 out of 6 times and I saved the USA from his bronze medal disaster lol

[000]

dude I came 1 shot from beating Duncan 5 out of 6 times and I saved the USA from his bronze medal disaster lol
I wouldnt really brag about competing against some guy who is so trash, he cant even beat international teams with Team USA. If I were you and I lost even a single time, Id probably kill myself.

Wait, is that what you did? Kind of a delayed reaction there