Alec Baldwin kills member of film crew on set when live rounds are put in prop gun

[Long Duck Dong]

To tell you the truth I'm surprised we don't hear about this more often. "Prop" guns are basically no different than a real gun from what I understand. Only the rounds are blanks instead of real ones. I'm guessing this is going to lead to massive changes in prop weapons in the film industry almost immediately. Probably weapons that use blank cartridges that aren't the same as those chambered in live ammunition

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10118665/Rust-movie-set-starring-Alec-Baldwin-LOCKED-New-Mexico.html




Baldwin accidentally killed Halyna Hutchins, a 42-year-old married mother-of-two and the Director of Photography on his new movie on a ranch in Santa Fe, New Mexico, on Thursday at 1.50pm.


He is believed to have fired a single from a prop gun that somehow struck both Hutchins and the movie's director Joel Souza.

Hutchins was airlifted to the hospital but was pronounced dead. Souza, 48, was taken to the hospital by ambulance but was released on Thursday evening.

Baldwin was taken to the sheriff's department to be questioned. He was released without charge after giving a tearful interview. Afterwards, the 63-year-old was photographed doubled over in shock and grief as he spoke on the phone.

[Kobe_Bryant]

karma for mocking the great white hope

[Kobe_Bryant]

apparently one live round was in the gun

https://i.ibb.co/myzFWTr/Famous-Masculine-Cormorant-max-1mb-1.gif

[FultzNationRISE]

Hollywood: Mocks gun rights and gun ownership. Profits massively portraying gun violence on film.

Typical phony sanctimony.

Anyway, sad story.

[1987_Lakers]

Isn't that how Bruce Lee's son died?

[Doomsday Dallas]

Isn't that how Bruce Lee's son died?

it is... and it was no accident.

Bruce Lee had broken the oath, which unfortunately affected the fate of his son.

[TheCorporation]

How does a live round magically enter a prop gun?

[Kobe_Bryant]

Isn't that how Bruce Lee's son died?

no. a bullet was lodged in that gun and the blank shot it out.



this one had a live round.

https://i.ibb.co/bgQ6sWv/ed0eced83be40c7e85aca565fe3f3ca9.jpg

[j3lademaster]

To tell you the truth I'm surprised we don't hear about this more often. "Prop" guns are basically no different than a real gun from what I understand. Only the rounds are blanks instead of real ones. I'm guessing this is going to lead to massive changes in prop weapons in the film industry almost immediately. Probably weapons that use blank cartridges that aren't the same as those chambered in live ammunition

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10118665/Rust-movie-set-starring-Alec-Baldwin-LOCKED-New-Mexico.htmlwe barely talk about school shootings. We’re numb to gun violence in the USA.

[Long Duck Dong]

There are different classes of Federal Firearms Dealer Licenses. I have a Type 3. Your regular gun dealer has a Class 1. I believe there is a special class of FFL just for movie set prop suppliers (I'm admittedly a little ignorant on the subject). They can get their hands on full auto firearms and military weapons not available to the general public or even most other firearm dealers

[ArbitraryWater]

jesus...

[BigKobeFan]

karma for mocking the great white hope

This is why when you take a shot at the emperor, you better kill.

[fsvr54]

it is... and it was no accident.

Bruce Lee had broken the oath, which unfortunately affected the fate of his son.

Elaborate on this "broken oath" please

[Jasper]

karma for mocking the great white hope

more like Karma for beating his ex-wife.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Elaborate on this "broken oath" please


Bruce Lee had too much fame & influence... and through his dojos, he was gonna go mainstream teaching the mystic arts of his fighting style.

The powers that be can't have everyday regular people obtaining the same knowledge Bruce Lee had.... that kind of stuff just couldn't become mainstream.

he was probably instructed not to teach the masses the secret arts of his craft, and disobeyed... and he and his son suffered the consequences for that decision.


Jeet Kune Do originated in 1967. After filming one season of The Green Hornet, Lee found himself out of work and opened The Jun Fan Gung Fu Institute. The controversial match with Wong Jack-man influenced Lee's philosophy about martial arts. Lee concluded that the fight had lasted too long and that he had failed to live up to his potential using his Wing Chun techniques. He took the view that traditional martial arts techniques were too rigid and formalized to be practical in scenarios of chaotic street fighting. Lee decided to develop a system with an emphasis on "practicality, flexibility, speed, and efficiency". He started to use different methods of training such as weight training for strength, running for endurance, stretching for flexibility, and many others which he constantly adapted, including fencing and basic boxing techniques.

Lee emphasized what he called "the style of no style". This consisted of getting rid of the formalized approach which Lee claimed was indicative of traditional styles. Lee felt that even the system he now called Jun Fan Gung Fu was too restrictive, and it eventually evolved into a philosophy and martial art he would come to call Jeet Kune Do or the Way of the Intercepting Fist. It is a term he would later regret, because Jeet Kune Do implied specific parameters that styles connote, whereas the idea of his martial art was to exist outside of parameters and limitations.

[Off the Court]

Dumb theory Bruce Lee died around 20 years before his son did. And there is an endless list of easier way to kill someone. Just shoot him in his driveway robbery style.

And that's just ignoring the hilariousness of "the powers that be can't have everyday regular people obtaining the same knowledge Bruce Lee had" :oldlol:

[fsvr54]

People die. That's life.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Dumb theory Bruce Lee died around 20 years before his son did. And there is an endless list of easier way to kill someone. Just shoot him in his driveway robbery style.

And that's just ignoring the hilariousness of "the powers that be can't have everyday regular people obtaining the same knowledge Bruce Lee had" :oldlol:


These people have a different way of handling business... everything they do is ritualistic and revolves around the spiritual realm.

A lot of people that end up getting killed isn't necessarily because there was a black-op involving phone calls and emails.... it's carried out through spiritual forces.

Many folks in the Hollywood industry end up getting cursed. If they upset the wrong people in that industry, they will put a hex or curse on you, and it will be effective especially if you've previously engaged in ritualistic behavior with these types. True Story.

[TheMan]

Easily avoidable, prop guns just need to be made of plastic with blanks, the type of gun that wouldn't be able to shoot live rounds at all.

[bladefd]

Very tough situation. Can you imagine being Baldwin explaining that to her spouse?? Man, it's a terrible situation all around. I definitely see them changing up prop weapons permanently so this doesn't occur. Regardless, this shouldn't have happened. :confusedshrug:

[Long Duck Dong]

Very tough situation. Can you imagine being Baldwin explaining that to her spouse?? Man, it's a terrible situation all around. I definitely see them changing up prop weapons permanently so this doesn't occur. Regardless, this shouldn't have happened. :confusedshrug:

I'm guessing California will probably be the first. Their legislature is constantly thinking of ways to make new laws.

It's very easy to produce blanks for weapons that are already mass manufactured. The brass just needs to be reloaded with blanks. To make prop guns chambered just for blanks and not accept any real ammo, it will cost 10x-100x more money to produce than guns designed to shoot their intended cartridge, but loaded as blanks. The film industry is already fleeing California en masse, this will probably be just one more reason to shoot somewhere else. The scenes that are set in LA are sometimes now being shot outside California now. :oldlol:

[Off the Court]

These people have a different way of handling business... everything they do is ritualistic and revolves around the spiritual realm.

A lot of people that end up getting killed isn't necessarily because there was a black-op involving phone calls and emails.... it's carried out through spiritual forces.

Many folks in the Hollywood industry end up getting cursed. If they upset the wrong people in that industry, they will put a hex or curse on you, and it will be effective especially if you've previously engaged in ritualistic behavior with these types. True Story.
Destroy your computer right now it is making you really stupid.

[Kobe_Bryant]

Easily avoidable, prop guns just need to be made of plastic with blanks, the type of gun that wouldn't be able to shoot live rounds at all.


the charge that it takes to create a realistic gun burst would destroy a plastic gun

[ZenMaster]

Easily avoidable, prop guns just need to be made of plastic with blanks, the type of gun that wouldn't be able to shoot live rounds at all.

Do you know for sure it was a live round?

A blank for movies has about 3 times as much gun powder as a regular round, to get the effect of a shot coming out of the gun on camera. The pressure can kill someone if shot closely.
Baldwin might have been playing with the gun thinking it wasn't loaded with blanks and shot it closely to both the woman who died and the guy who got hurt.

[bladefd]

Articles said Baldwin was given the gun & told incorrectly it had blank rounds. He fired and it was live rounds. Don't know if that's the official reason

[clipps]

Someone put the live round in the "prop" gun. This is no accident.

[clipps]

Articles said Baldwin was given the gun & told incorrectly it had blank rounds. He fired and it was live rounds. Don't know if that's the official reason

Someone loaded the "prop" gun with a live round. You don't just 'whoops' that.

[Nanners]

Ultimately it doesnt matter who loaded the prop gun

Anybody who knows anything about firearms knows that Baldwin broke (at least) one of the cardinal rules of firearm safety... he can try to blame it on an assistant or whatever for handing him a hot gun, but ultimately he pulled the trigger on a hot gun and IMO the responsibility is 100% on his shoulders

[clipps]

Ultimately it doesnt matter who loaded the prop gun

Anybody who knows anything about firearms knows that Baldwin broke (at least) one of the cardinal rules of firearm safety... he can try to blame it on an assistant or whatever for handing him a hot gun, but ultimately he pulled the trigger on a hot gun and IMO the responsibility is 100% on his shoulders

No shit. I'm saying that there's clear malicious intent. Someone put a round in the "prop" gun. Alec Baldwin is also the producer of this film as well.

[Nanners]

No shit. I'm saying that there's clear malicious intent. Someone put a round in the "prop" gun. Alec Baldwin is also the producer of this film as well.
well thats a little further than I would probably go, my point is more that theres gross incompetence on Baldwins behalf regardless of any intent

that said, I def think malicious intent is very possible

[clipps]

well thats a little further than I would probably go, my point is more that theres gross incompetence on Baldwins behalf regardless of any intent

that said, I def think malicious intent is very possible

Anyone that knows anything about firearms knows the difference between a live round and a blank. You don't just 'whoops' that.

[warriorfan]

Ultimately it doesnt matter who loaded the prop gun

Anybody who knows anything about firearms knows that Baldwin broke (at least) one of the cardinal rules of firearm safety... he can try to blame it on an assistant or whatever for handing him a hot gun, but ultimately he pulled the trigger on a hot gun and IMO the responsibility is 100% on his shoulders

This is true. No matter who loaded the gun, ultimately Baldwin was negligent in his handling of the firearm and it lead to someone dying. That’s man slaughter. Too bad they didn’t go through all the over the top regulations and procedures that they have pushed onto everyone else. If they had everyone who handled a firearm on set pass the California Firearm Safety Certification Test, there’s a good chance none of this happens. Pride told Baldwin he’s too big to adhere for the things he advocates, and someone wound up dead because of it. He should go to jail.

[Nanners]

Anyone that knows anything about firearms knows the difference between a live round and a blank. You don't just 'whoops' that.

100% agree

like I said, baldwin broke one of the cardinal rules of firearm safety and imo the responsibility for this is 100% on his shoulders

[clipps]

100% agree

like I said, baldwin broke one of the cardinal rules of firearm safety and imo the responsibility for this is 100% on his shoulders

Yup. Baldwin should go to jail and there needs to be an investigation on intent. There's definitely gonna be more ammo(kinda pun intended) for gun control. We're also distracted from regular life. It's staged.

[Nanners]

Yup. Baldwin should go to jail and there needs to be an investigation on intent. There's definitely gonna be more ammo(kinda pun intended) for gun control. We're also distracted from regular life. It's staged.

https://i.giphy.com/media/QJsP0cTAJhg7O47ub2/giphy.webp

[tpols]

Damn they say Baldwin was the guy who actually pulled the trigger. Smells like an illuminati sacrifice ritual. Imagine believing they didn't know the gun had live ammunition in it. Same way they killed Bruce Lee's son. Alec had to fulfill his contract.

[Off the Court]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ec/df/7a/ecdf7a908c1ff727b78e6635c28b1280.png

"Illuminati"

[Long Duck Dong]

Anyone that knows anything about firearms knows the difference between a live round and a blank. You don't just 'whoops' that.

Playing devil's advocate, blanks can look a lot like actual live rounds. Usually blanks are crimped at the top though. Looking at the back of the revolver wheel they'll look the exact same.

A lot of actors have never even touched a gun outside the set and aren't familiar at all with firearms or ammunition. It's the armorers job to ensure stuff like this doesn't happen. Their armorer was a 24 year girl. I'm not sure how much experience she had but it obviously wasn't enough.

One cheaper way to ensure stuff like this almost never happens is to color coat all blank ammo fluorescent orange. They may do this already but you'd think it would be an industry standard

[Nanners]

https://i.ibb.co/4spHPKz/baldwin-lol.jpg

[Riddler]

Damn they say Baldwin was the guy who actually pulled the trigger. Smells like an illuminati sacrifice ritual. Imagine believing they didn't know the gun had live ammunition in it. Same way they killed Bruce Lee's son. Alec had to fulfill his contract.

No, it's just a coded message.

you got the guy who played Trump killing a 42-year-old blond woman with HH initials. (in a church)

HH = 88, Trump = 88,

the woman could be alive and well for all we know, but the headline is not random.

Trust me, I'm the Riddler, I've seen this kind of $hit before.

[bladefd]

Someone loaded the "prop" gun with a live round. You don't just 'whoops' that.

Proving it is a whole another story. I don't know how you prove it unless if someone confesses..

[bladefd]

Playing devil's advocate, blanks can look a lot like actual live rounds. Usually blanks are crimped at the top though. Looking at the back of the revolver wheel they'll look the exact same.

A lot of actors have never even touched a gun outside the set and aren't familiar at all with firearms or ammunition. It's the armorers job to ensure stuff like this doesn't happen. Their armorer was a 24 year girl. I'm not sure how much experience she had but it obviously wasn't enough.

One cheaper way to ensure stuff like this almost never happens is to color coat all blank ammo fluorescent orange. They may do this already but you'd think it would be an industry standard

That makes sense. You can make it a color that majority of color blind people can see too. I don't know which colors are majority of people color-blind to other than red being the obvious one.

[Kobe_Bryant]

https://i.ibb.co/FYvpSWy/Screenshot-20211023-152132-Samsung-Internet.jpg


this is the woman that put live ammunition in the prop gun and provided it for the movie. I bet no charges are brought to her and people continue to look down on Alec baldwin even though he's completely innocent


this woman also did a podcast saying she didn't believe she was ready for this kind of job during her last movie



never let some liberal feminist hoe bag be in charge of something like putting real or fake bullets in a gun for you to shoot at people lol

[warriorfan]

you're an idiot.

You forgot to post this on your SATAN account.

[jstern]

Damn they say Baldwin was the guy who actually pulled the trigger. Smells like an illuminati sacrifice ritual. Imagine believing they didn't know the gun had live ammunition in it. Same way they killed Bruce Lee's son. Alec had to fulfill his contract.

I'm not a conspiracy guy at all, but I understand how assassinations can be made to look like nothing but an absolute accident. There's an actual Clinton connection with the dead woman. It could have been a warning to certain other people.

[bladefd]

I'm not a conspiracy guy at all, but I understand how assassinations can be made to look like nothing but an absolute accident. There's an actual Clinton connection with the dead woman. It could have been a warning to certain other people.

I'm not a rude jerk at all............. but you sound like a nutcase.

[jstern]

I'm not a rude jerk at all............. but you sound like a nutcase.

All I said is that there is a connection. Since I'm not a conspiracy guy, it's meaningless to me. I didn't write, "I believe the Clinton's killed this woman." I don't even believe in the Illuminati. But aren't you the one that falls for every proven fake Trump conspiracy that CNN reports to you as fact?

[Nanners]

All I said is that there is a connection. Since I'm not a conspiracy guy, it's meaningless to me. I didn't write, "I believe the Clinton's killed this woman." I don't even believe in the Illuminati. But aren't you the one that falls for every proven fake Trump conspiracy that CNN reports to you as fact?

Trump replaced the bullets to get back at Baldwin for doing one of the worst impressions in SNL history

[jstern]

Trump replaced the bullets to get back at Baldwin for doing one of the worst impressions in SNL history

Don't tell that to Blade, he's going to think it's true.

[Nanners]

Don't tell that to Blade, he's going to think it's true.

im okay with letting him believe that :oldlol:

[Off the Court]

There are some really good theories in here guys I think we're close to cracking this conspiracy. But I have a theory of my own that I think should be considered and we really need to make sure that we have all of our bases covered. We can't let any possibilities slip by us. Okay so I was thinking that maybe ..... just hear me out please ..... just maybe, everyone in this thread is actually an enormous drooling idiot who is either borderline retarded or literally full blown retarded.

:confusedshrug:

That has to be considered here you know?

[SATAN]

You forgot to post this on your SATAN account.

you're an idiot.

[Kobe_Bryant]

you're an idiot.

lol who the f*ck defends liberal feminists

[theman93]

lol who the f*ck defends liberal feminists

liberal feminists :lol

[bladefd]

All I said is that there is a connection. Since I'm not a conspiracy guy, it's meaningless to me. I didn't write, "I believe the Clinton's killed this woman." I don't even believe in the Illuminati. But aren't you the one that falls for every proven fake Trump conspiracy that CNN reports to you as fact?

How do you even connect the dots back to Hillary? It's just so random and out of the left field. Next thing we know, you might link in UFOs, baby-eating pizza parlors, and Biden's plan for climate change. Perhaps throw in Obama and Bernie Sanders names in there somewhere. :oldlol:

I don't even watch CNN. The last time I watched was on January 20. I don't usually watch tv news. I don't usually make posts where I make up these vast conspiracies. That's more of your thing, Zenmaster, and tpols.

[Kobe_Bryant]

if you think thats a liberal feminist i give you permission to leave your cave/ small town/ farm and hang out in a city where theres comic book dorks / music geek chicks, etc.

it's just pathetic to politicize the look of this young woman as a feminist or liberal or whore. it shows you to be a massively out of touch idiot. and probably a geezer that hasnt touched a woman in ages, quite frankly. you embarrass yourself.

she works in hollywood and has pink hair. dresses like a skank and has sh*tty tattoos



liberal feminist hoe bag

[Kobe_Bryant]

https://mobile.twitter.com/TrevorSutcliffe/status/1451760090088755205



dear God... she's even worse than that pic suggests lmao


you lose doctorP. sorry bud. this video is damaging

[warriorfan]

Doctor Incel

[Kobe_Bryant]

shes just a rockabilly chick. to you, anyone younger than 40 looks like a liberal feminist cuz youre an old crusty incel :lol

pathetic and sad!

learn about women, loser. you probably havent had one since the bush administration.

jesus. you seem so triggered by the thought of a hollyweirdo with pink hair and a fat gut doing tiktok slut videos being a liberal feminist.

do you deny they exist or something lol. even if you're a Democrat or liberal by nature and you want every person that makes a mistake to be a stupid trumpy you must still admit that there's some bad apples on the left. on the right theres definitely some retarded hicks/rednecks and psycho religious people. it's not all roses on either side

but this chick is a cookie cutter hipster liberal trash feminazi baby killing fat hoe with daddy issues that would suck a black dick no questions asked and brag about it to her friends while the semen is still caked on her face

its obviously not always entirely political. she could just be following trends and the industry standards that comes with getting jobs in that line of work. kinda hard to get on a production company if you have non PC views.

I dunno how anyone can be that obsessed with political affiliation post blm/trump era. we're in the biden administration with 3 more years to go and your anus is already clenched. Jesus


ok you win she's a patriotic white supremacist Christian redneck southern cow girl as American as apple pie, racist as hell team MAGA and loves her mommy, daddy and baby jesus. happy?

[jstern]

How do you even connect the dots back to Hillary? It's just so random and out of the left field. Next thing we know, you might link in UFOs, baby-eating pizza parlors, and Biden's plan for climate change. Perhaps throw in Obama and Bernie Sanders names in there somewhere. :oldlol:

I don't even watch CNN. The last time I watched was on January 20. I don't usually watch tv news. I don't usually make posts where I make up these vast conspiracies. That's more of your thing, Zenmaster, and tpols.

Vintage bladefd, gaslighting. Like a bot, despite how clear my comments were, he's going to continue pretending that I'm randomly coming up with things, and he will continue on the that narrative.

Like I always say, I wonder what it must be like for people in your real everyday life, because such a personality must be exhausting and low character.

Anyway, the connection that others have made with this shooting is that the husband of the woman who died works for the law firm that is representing Michael Sussman. Michael Sussman was a Hillary Clinton lawyer who has recently been indicted for lying, making things up about the whole Russia thing. And that can spell big problems for Hillary.

Here's a very long but very detailed and fascinating Jimmy Dore video.


https://youtu.be/3u9wO0bE4GE

Then tpols started talking about conspiracies, and I thought it was funny that there's an actual almost direct connection with the Clinton's and the death of this woman. The type of connection that will get conspiracy people going. The type of connection that would make you believe 1000%, no questions asked, if it was a Trump lawyer.

[BurningHammer]

Here's a very long but very detailed and fascinating Jimmy Dore video.

You seem to love this crazy conspiracy theorist guy, who basically is Alex Jones of the Far Left :oldlol:

https://adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/

[ZenMaster]

How do you even connect the dots back to Hillary? It's just so random and out of the left field. Next thing we know, you might link in UFOs, baby-eating pizza parlors, and Biden's plan for climate change. Perhaps throw in Obama and Bernie Sanders names in there somewhere. :oldlol:

I don't even watch CNN. The last time I watched was on January 20. I don't usually watch tv news. I don't usually make posts where I make up these vast conspiracies. That's more of your thing, Zenmaster, and tpols.

It's you yourself who's making the connection between me and Alec Baldwin conspiracy theories, and what a cunty move it is. I think you're posting this because you refuse to watch the video in that other Biden thread and instead trying to annoy me.

You can watch a video with someone like Brand, or someone else, going over what was uncovered in the piece made by journalist Glenn Greenwald.
You can read the piece of Greenwald directly.
You can go look up the court documents and testimony which Greenwald refers to yourself.

So there are options available, but you chose to stick your head in the sand instead. That's on you and it is what it is.

To balance out the right wing conspiracies on the actual subject of the thread(which I really don't care about), here's a leftist with a blue check marked twitter account, also about Baldwin:


Might the prop gun have been secretly loaded with real bullets by a Trump supporter, to punish Alec Baldwin for his Trump parodies? Should be a line of inquiry.

https://twitter.com/Villavelius/status/1451499563903242242

[8Ball]

Alec baldwin is a piece of shit.

[fsvr54]

You can 100% tell a woman's politics by her hair dye.

[Long Duck Dong]

https://mobile.twitter.com/TrevorSutcliffe/status/1451760090088755205


dear God... she's even worse than that pic suggests lmao


you lose doctorP. sorry bud. this video is damaging
Seems pretty immature to have such responsibility in her hands. Fun fact: Both guys that were on the show Mythbusters were certified armorers

[fsvr54]

Yeah and you can 100% tell a criminal by the color of their skin, right?

Simpleton.

No, fool.

One does not equal the other.

Find me a conservative chick with purple green hair.

[Long Duck Dong]

More info has leaked out from the crew

Apparently this woman armorer allowed prop guns to be taken off set and used in target practice by the crew off the clock with live ammo.... including the pistol that Alec Baldwin killed the woman with

There were already at least 2 separate accidental discharges on set before this incident happened. Doesn't say if live ammo was involved but I'm guessing blanks which can kill someone at point blank range

Crew reports the armorer displayed lots of inexperience and seemed overwhelmed by the job she was asked to do

How in gawds name did this "girl" get certified and allowed on the set for a major motion picture with such risk involved? :facepalm

She either had to have fvcked someone, was hired outside the union for cheap wages or, and I hate to be this guy, taken on as a diversity hire.

Very little experience
No confidence
Prior accidents on set
Just a plain weirdo

Jezuz

They could have grabbed almost any redneck off the county road who could have done a better, much safer job than this woman did

[Long Duck Dong]

Another report said on the armorers last film she reloaded a pistol down in the gravel and sand then handed it to an 11 year old actor to fire on scene without checking the barrel for clearance. That may sound harmless to some people but people who know firearms are well aware that gun can explode upon discharge if foreign debris gets in the barrel. Some of the facial injuries caused by accidents like this are absolutely horrific and life altering if not fatal. Crazy

On the plus side looks like the armorer has a little thickness to her. :pimp:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/10/24/17/49574643-10125505-After_the_shooting_armorer_Hannah_Gutierrez_Reed_p ictured_took_p-a-1_1635092129664.jpg

[Doomsday Dallas]

Anyway, the connection that others have made with this shooting is that the husband of the woman who died works for the law firm that is representing Michael Sussman. Michael Sussman was a Hillary Clinton lawyer who has recently been indicted for lying, making things up about the whole Russia thing. And that can spell big problems for Hillary.



What are the odds? I mean seriously.

just another random coincidence I suppose.

https://i.redd.it/9amd18r1o3v71.png

[Off the Court]

So her husband worked for the same law firm and the lead attorney who was indicted for providing false statements? That isn't even a connection :oldlol:

"Ah yes revenge is ours! We'll get you back by killing one of your random coworkers wives in a bizarre filming accident!"

f**k you morons are dumb :oldlol:

[Doomsday Dallas]

So her husband worked for the same law firm and the lead attorney who was indicted for providing false statements? That isn't even a connection :oldlol:

"Ah yes revenge is ours! We'll get you back by killing one of your random coworkers wives in a bizarre filming accident!"

f**k you morons are dumb :oldlol:


right, it's a small world and random $hit like this happens all the time. Sure.

it is what it is: a bizarre filming accident,... just like you said.

[Off the Court]

Latham and Watkins has 4,500 employees have fun linking everyone of them who has a family death to the Clintons.

[Kobe_Bryant]

Yeah and you can 100% tell a criminal by the color of their skin, right?

Simpleton.

poor comparison. it's more like wearing crip or blood colors ontop of a certain skin color.

[baudkarma]

More info has leaked out from the crew

Apparently this woman armorer allowed prop guns to be taken off set and used in target practice by the crew off the clock with live ammo.... including the pistol that Alec Baldwin killed the woman with

Crew reports the armorer displayed lots of inexperience and seemed overwhelmed by the job she was asked to do



That answers the first question I had when I learned about the shooting, namely "Why the hell are there live rounds on a movie set?". Obviously there's no way prop guns should be used with live ammo, but she's young and inexperienced and probably didn't have the authority to stop that from happening. This was/is a very low budget production, obviously they were trying to cut corners in any way they could. Experienced armorers don't come cheap, and they're liable to insist on tiresome safety precautions, like having a secure place to lock prop guns and ammo away when they're not being used, personally inspecting prop weapons before and after every scene, that sort of thing. Time-wasting and totally unnecessary until someone gets killed.

I think Baldwin will ultimately take the fall for this. If the incident had taken place during actual filming he might have had an excuse, but from what I've read the victim was shot in the back. Which makes it seem like Baldwin was clowning around, thought he'd fire his prop gun to make a loud noise and scare people, and... well, don't clown around with firearms.

[Off the Court]

That answers the first question I had when I learned about the shooting, namely "Why the hell are there live rounds on a movie set?". Obviously there's no way prop guns should be used with live ammo, but she's young and inexperienced and probably didn't have the authority to stop that from happening. This was/is a very low budget production, obviously they were trying to cut corners in any way they could. Experienced armorers don't come cheap, and they're liable to insist on tiresome safety precautions, like having a secure place to lock prop guns and ammo away when they're not being used, personally inspecting prop weapons before and after every scene, that sort of thing. Time-wasting and totally unnecessary until someone gets killed.

I think Baldwin will ultimately take the fall for this. If the incident had taken place during actual filming he might have had an excuse, but from what I've read the victim was shot in the back. Which makes it seem like Baldwin was clowning around, thought he'd fire his prop gun to make a loud noise and scare people, and... well, don't clown around with firearms.
According to a warrant affidavit it says that Baldwin was practicing drawing the gun after the assistant director David Halls handed it to him and said "cold gun" which indicates the weapon has no live rounds in it. If that is accurate I suspect that David Halls would take the fall here.

Baldwin then shot 2 people with one shot while practicing. It hit Joel Souza the director in the shoulder and then Halyna Hutchins in the stomach who died from blood loss.

[Long Duck Dong]

According to a warrant affidavit it says that Baldwin was practicing drawing the gun after the assistant director David Halls handed it to him and said "cold gun" which indicates the weapon has no live rounds in it. If that is accurate I suspect that David Halls would take the fall here.


I'm wondering if it's typical of assistant directors to verify blanks are in the chamber before handing them to actors. I've heard Hall was the "last line of defense" but you'd think the actor actually would be. It's been said that Hall grabbed the gun off the cart that Gutierrez Reed had laid out for actors to use on set. Reports have also said that she kept live ammo in same area with blanks which is insane.

I don't know about other people but even with blanks I'd feel extremely uncomfortable pointing a gun at people unless the scene called for it. It's like second nature with a gun owner, you don't point guns at people even if you are positive they aren't loaded. Also Baldwin was the executive producer on this film. He's going to get hit with a lot of the blame and deservedly so

[Jasper]

Another report said on the armorers last film she reloaded a pistol down in the gravel and sand then handed it to an 11 year old actor to fire on scene without checking the barrel for clearance. That may sound harmless to some people but people who know firearms are well aware that gun can explode upon discharge if foreign debris gets in the barrel. Some of the facial injuries caused by accidents like this are absolutely horrific and life altering if not fatal. Crazy

On the plus side looks like the armorer has a little thickness to her. :pimp:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/10/24/17/49574643-10125505-After_the_shooting_armorer_Hannah_Gutierrez_Reed_p ictured_took_p-a-1_1635092129664.jpg

I'd work my barrel into her/

[baudkarma]

A few more pieces of information have come out. A veteran Hollywood armorer was initially offered the job, but turned it down due to safety concerns. He was especially concerned that Baldwin was going to combine prop master and armorer into one job. When the crew returned from their lunch break, the assistant director grabbed a gun off the cart, handed it to Baldwin, and told him it was a "Cold Gun". Nobody actually bothered to check the gun, despite it having been sitting out unsupervised.

Lastly, the movie was being filmed in New Mexico, which allowed them to circumvent all of the California laws and Union rules regarding safety on the movie set and gun safety. It also explains how an inexperienced 23-year-old was put into such a responsible position.

[Long Duck Dong]

A few more pieces of information have come out. A veteran Hollywood armorer was initially offered the job, but turned it down due to safety concerns. He was especially concerned that Baldwin was going to combine prop master and armorer into one job. When the crew returned from their lunch break, the assistant director grabbed a gun off the cart, handed it to Baldwin, and told him it was a "Cold Gun". Nobody actually bothered to check the gun, despite it having been sitting out unsupervised.

Lastly, the movie was being filmed in New Mexico, which allowed them to circumvent all of the California laws and Union rules regarding safety on the movie set and gun safety. It also explains how an inexperienced 23-year-old was put into such a responsible position.

Even before the shooting, the set was described by a source as a "total shitshow" from the very beginning :oldlol:

[baudkarma]

I'm wondering if it's typical of assistant directors to verify blanks are in the chamber before handing them to actors. I've heard Hall was the "last line of defense" but you'd think the actor actually would be. It's been said that Hall grabbed the gun off the cart that Gutierrez Reed had laid out for actors to use on set. Reports have also said that she kept live ammo in same area with blanks which is insane.

I don't know about other people but even with blanks I'd feel extremely uncomfortable pointing a gun at people unless the scene called for it. It's like second nature with a gun owner, you don't point guns at people even if you are positive they aren't loaded. Also Baldwin was the executive producer on this film. He's going to get hit with a lot of the blame and deservedly so

From what I understand, the only people who are supposed to handle prop guns are the armorer and his/her assistants, and the actors who will be using the weapons during the film. There's no way an assistant director should be picking up a gun and handing it to an actor. It's even more egregious that he said "Cold Gun" when he hadn't verified that himself. But I'm still coming down on Baldwin. He's handed a gun and told it's a cold gun by his assistant director. And he just... accepts that? He's the final line of defense. You're the guy aiming that gun at someone and pulling that trigger. Make sure your gun is safe.

[Jasper]

From what I understand, the only people who are supposed to handle prop guns are the armorer and his/her assistants, and the actors who will be using the weapons during the film. There's no way an assistant director should be picking up a gun and handing it to an actor. It's even more egregious that he said "Cold Gun" when he hadn't verified that himself. But I'm still coming down on Baldwin. He's handed a gun and told it's a cold gun by his assistant director. And he just... accepts that? He's the final line of defense. You're the guy aiming that gun at someone and pulling that trigger. Make sure your gun is safe.

I agree.

[Long Duck Dong]

https://youtu.be/fob6L-AXuOg

He says he didn't pull the trigger. Should be interesting for a laugh if someone hadn't died.

I guess guns really do kill people...by themselves :ohwell:

[rawimpact]

Ahh yes, the self-firing weapon that knows just went to go off.

Baldwin is and always will be a dickhead.

Just look at his stupid face and arrogance in the thumbnail above. Doesnt it just scream innocence or empathy for the family he took from?

[Nanners]

Regardless of whether or not he pulled the trigger, he still broke 2 of the cardinal rules of firearms - he pointed the gun in an unsafe direction and he didnt know whether the gun was loaded

[Patrick Chewing]

This shows you how demonic and self-centered Alec Baldwin truly is. He is an evil, evil man. There is still an active investigation going on right now, and this man decides to do an ABC special on himself just to attempt to clear his name and get in front of this. Then, it gets better. He fantastically tells us that he didn't pull the trigger, that the gun just went off by itself, and that's it not his fault that one person is dead.

Even if it truly isn't his fault, an egomaniac like Baldwin will sit down for an ABC special to do nothing more than talk about himself. A Liberal icon. SMH.

[rawimpact]

This shows you how demonic and self-centered Alec Baldwin truly is. He is an evil, evil man. There is still an active investigation going on right now, and this man decides to do an ABC special on himself just to attempt to clear his name and get in front of this. Then, it gets better. He fantastically tells us that he didn't pull the trigger, that the gun just went off by itself, and that's it not his fault that one person is dead.

Even if it truly isn't his fault, an egomaniac like Baldwin will sit down for an ABC special to do nothing more than talk about himself. A Liberal icon. SMH.

Any good lawyer would say just STFU and let the investigators do their thing. Don't add fuel to the fire or possibly incriminate yourself. Now prosecutors/investigators have him saying things that they can disprove quite easily and make him seem unhinged which he already seemed.

A dumbass with a horrible agent probably put him up to this. Wouldn't be surprised if it was an interview that gross him six figures.

[Off the Court]

https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_focal-760x428,f_auto,q_auto:best/mpx/2704722219/2021_10/1634991111585_tdy_sat_guad_movie_prop_gun_211023_1 920x1080-vwj07h.jpg

Not hard to imagine this thing going off on it's own if the hammer was already pulled back. It's also not hard to imagine that Baldwin is lying about that and did pull the trigger. That part may be not so important anyway the gun went off while in his hand while he was pointing it which is all that matters.

Hopefully this all plays out in court properly because if he was told the gun was not loaded or had blanks then it's hard to give him lots of blame. The idea of a live bullet being in there probably never crossed his mind and he isn't the prop master. That young blonde girl was and if she was having fun off set loading it and playing cowboys and indians and left a live round in there then I feel like this is on her. But I'm sure I'm unaware of many details.

[Patrick Chewing]

Some of those trigger pulls on revolvers are so heavy that you would know if you pulled the trigger or not. Now, if the hammer was cocked back, his trigger pull would be next to nothing, and that may be where he thinks he didn't pull the trigger, but you can clearly tell he's just covering his ass. He's so stupid though. If he was handed a gun with a live round and it's not his job to check and secure that gun cause he's just a Hollywood actor, then why is he going in front of the camera trying to clear his name??

[FKAri]

Regardless of whether or not he pulled the trigger, he still broke 2 of the cardinal rules of firearms - he pointed the gun in an unsafe direction and he didnt know whether the gun was loaded

How are you going to film a movie without breaking at least one of those rules?

[Nanners]

How are you going to film a movie without breaking at least one of those rules?

Since when have I ever given a single shit about any of the rules? Who the fvck cares about rules? (other than NPCs like Blade)

That said, I always give a shit about firearms rules, they are deadly serious.

[Long Duck Dong]

Some of those trigger pulls on revolvers are so heavy that you would know if you pulled the trigger or not. Now, if the hammer was cocked back, his trigger pull would be next to nothing, and that may be where he thinks he didn't pull the trigger, but you can clearly tell he's just covering his ass. He's so stupid though. If he was handed a gun with a live round and it's not his job to check and secure that gun cause he's just a Hollywood actor, then why is he going in front of the camera trying to clear his name??

From what I've heard it was a single action revolver and the armorer chick said the pistol was handed to Baldwin with the hammer down. Even if it was a double action revolver, like you said the trigger pulls are heavy AF unless they are modified somehow.


I didn't see the whole interview last night so I'm curious too on how he thinks the gun went off by itself

[bladefd]

Why was he even pointing at anyone?? I have never used blanks before but I heard they hurt too. There is no damn reason he should have been pointing at anyone even if he knew it contained blanks. I can understand if it was part of a scene and it ended up being real bullets but outside of a scene, you should be pointing to the ground. If you hurt someone with a blank outside of a controlled scene filming, you might get sued too

[Long Duck Dong]

I guess Alec Baldwin is no longer fully cooperating with authorities. That didn't take long for him to change from acting devasted to acting defiant. At least some of Halyna Hutchins' family now blames him.

This isn't going to end well for the old guy

[HunterSThompson]

I guess Alec Baldwin is no longer fully cooperating with authorities. That didn't take long for him to change from acting devasted to acting defiant. At least some of Halyna Hutchins' family now blames him.

This isn't going to end well for the old guy

lol even if he told the bitch he was gonna shoot her in the face and admitted to it afterwards to police and there was tons of witnesses he would still probly only get a few years in jail

what do you think they're gonna find out. that he texted someone that he was gonna kill this woman. at most all they could charge him with is some accidental murder charge like negligence. and that's if they can somehow prove that he shouldn't have pointed the gun at anyone cause even blanks are dangerous. and then he might get house arrest and probation. maybe owe some money to the family.

and this is worst case scenario. if he had motive it would have been uncovered by now. she would have told her family about him and her having some kind of altercation or affair. who knows. but that would leave a paper trail on her devices.

is Alec baldwin a blood thirsty homicidal maniac that kills people without any provoking. maybe. but if he was he would be way better at hiding it since this is in front of spectators

just doesn't make sense. more than likely someone with a gripe over their job or co worker or Alec put the bullet in the gun before filming to get someone in trouble. cause a disturbance. maybe even kill someone. I know Alec baldwin is a piece of shit. wouldn't be surprised. but I highly doubt Alec would set himself up like this. makes no sense

[BigKobeFan]

If kim porter got 10 years for accidentally killing someone...so can alec baldwin

[Off the Court]

lol even if he told the bitch he was gonna shoot her in the face and admitted to it afterwards to police and there was tons of witnesses he would still probly only get a few years in jail

what do you think they're gonna find out. that he texted someone that he was gonna kill this woman. at most all they could charge him with is some accidental murder charge like negligence. and that's if they can somehow prove that he shouldn't have pointed the gun at anyone cause even blanks are dangerous. and then he might get house arrest and probation. maybe owe some money to the family.

and this is worst case scenario. if he had motive it would have been uncovered by now. she would have told her family about him and her having some kind of altercation or affair. who knows. but that would leave a paper trail on her devices.

is Alec baldwin a blood thirsty homicidal maniac that kills people without any provoking. maybe. but if he was he would be way better at hiding it since this is in front of spectators

just doesn't make sense. more than likely someone with a gripe over their job or co worker or Alec put the bullet in the gun before filming to get someone in trouble. cause a disturbance. maybe even kill someone. I know Alec baldwin is a piece of shit. wouldn't be surprised. but I highly doubt Alec would set himself up like this. makes no sense
It's impossible that he had a motive the bullet hit the director in the shoulder first and bounced off before it struck the deceased.

Unless he was really trying to kill the director and not her.

[Nanners]

https://i.ibb.co/NTVfp4X/1637042288322.png

[baudkarma]

Why was he even pointing at anyone?? I have never used blanks before but I heard they hurt too. There is no damn reason he should have been pointing at anyone even if he knew it contained blanks. I can understand if it was part of a scene and it ended up being real bullets but outside of a scene, you should be pointing to the ground. If you hurt someone with a blank outside of a controlled scene filming, you might get sued too


An actor by the name of Jon-Erik Hexum with a prop gun loaded with a single black cartridge. He was clowning around on set, pretending to play Russian Roulette during a delay in shooting. Spun the cylinder, put the barrel to his head and pulled the trigger. The force of the blank going off drove a fragment of his skull into the middle of his brain.

[Nanners]

Apparently Alec Baldwin already has a new show?

https://youtu.be/lCcwtqQTZnM

Seems pretty tasteless to me, definitely too soon.