Hakeem vs Anthony Davis

[AirBonner]

Who is better? (You know since AD has top 10 level impact)

[FultzNationRISE]

Hakeem by far, altho I suspect Jordan would have ducked AD as well just to be safe.

[ImKobe]

AD's 2020 title run: 28/10/4 66.5%TS .284 WS/48 (led the league in OWS and WS/48) & 8.7 BPM

Hakeem is better all-time but AD already has one alpha title run as the best player on his team so he's on his way to at least matching the Dream. I do believe he is the closest thing to Hakeem in this era, though some would argue Embiid but that guy's never finished a season without injury.

[Airupthere]

Hakeem by far, altho I suspect Jordan would have ducked AD as well just to be safe.

One can duck by recruiting them instead. Eliminate the competition by turning them into teammates, eg MIA superteam.

[AirBonner]

People are unhinged on this forum. People actually picking AD

[000]

AD. Took lottery Lakers to 60 wins + championship

[Phoenix]

Lol Hakeem and AD tied. The level of retardation :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Lol Hakeem and AD tied. The level of retardation :oldlol:
We have to be the stupidest sports message board on the internet.

[FKAri]

One is a "bird-fed loser". The other forced MJ to go into witness protection as a minor league baseball player.

[000]

Lol Hakeem and AD tied. The level of retardation :oldlol:
Yeah, who the fuсk is voting for hakeem

[Akeem34TheDream]

Should have made the poll visible so we could see who is trolling

[Phoenix]

Yeah, who the fuсk is voting for hakeem

The ones who aren't retarded.

[Full Court]

Even asking this question is disrespectful to Hakeem.

Sure, AD's fragile *** is the most valuable player on the Lakers, but he's still not worthy to carry Hakeem's jock strap.

[Nike D'Antoni]

It's Hakeem, not even close.

[RRR3]

The ones who aren't retarded.
So like 10% of ISH.

[ShawkFactory]

AD's 2020 title run: 28/10/4 66.5%TS .284 WS/48 (led the league in OWS and WS/48) & 8.7 BPM

Hakeem is better all-time but AD already has one alpha title run as the best player on his team so he's on his way to at least matching the Dream. I do believe he is the closest thing to Hakeem in this era, though some would argue Embiid but that guy's never finished a season without injury.

Fvcking chill.

[SouBeachTalents]

Fvcking chill.
That dude is deranged. Not quite 3ball/Kenny certifiably crazy, but pretty much the ISH equivalent of a QAnon poster.

[ShawkFactory]

That dude is deranged. Not quite 3ball/Kenny certifiably crazy, but pretty much the ISH equivalent of a QAnon poster.

Nah he’s not deranged. Just biased, as we all are.

AD could definitely be argued the “best” player on the team when the lakers won. Particularly the was he played in the playoffs. However..having Lebron James on his team is something that Hakeem wasn’t afforded.

Context matters.

[8Ball]

AD's 2020 title run: 28/10/4 66.5%TS .284 WS/48 (led the league in OWS and WS/48) & 8.7 BPM

Hakeem is better all-time but AD already has one alpha title run as the best player on his team so he's on his way to at least matching the Dream. I do believe he is the closest thing to Hakeem in this era, though some would argue Embiid but that guy's never finished a season without injury.

Lebron ball allows players to flourish.

Who knew.

[999Guy]

Hakeem was better defensively by far and it’s not close. Offense is a wash. AD guys easier on a talented offense but talented in another word for offense with superior offensive player next to him so meh.

Hakeem is a better raw player in a vacuum.


AD is a better ceiling raiser in any case in my god honest opinion. You don’t start a franchise with AD over Hakeem though

[HoopsNY]

Unbelievable that AD got a single vote. AD will never be anywhere near the player Hakeem was.

[HoopsNY]

AD's 2020 title run: 28/10/4 66.5%TS .284 WS/48 (led the league in OWS and WS/48) & 8.7 BPM

Hakeem is better all-time but AD already has one alpha title run as the best player on his team so he's on his way to at least matching the Dream. I do believe he is the closest thing to Hakeem in this era, though some would argue Embiid but that guy's never finished a season without injury.

You're seriously going to compare inflated 2020 numbers to what peak Hakeem did with the Rockets?

[HoopsNY]

Hakeem was better defensively by far and it’s not close. Offense is a wash. AD guys easier on a talented offense but talented in another word for offense with superior offensive player next to him so meh.

Hakeem is a better raw player in a vacuum.


AD is a better ceiling raiser in any case in my god honest opinion. You don’t start a franchise with AD over Hakeem though

Better ceiling raiser? Based on what exactly? AD joined forces with arguably the best player in the league. What does Chicago look like if Hakeem joined Jordan in mid 90s?

[ImKobe]

You're seriously going to compare inflated 2020 numbers to what peak Hakeem did with the Rockets?

Act like Barkley wasn't injured and MJ wasn't retired when Hakeem finally broke through and won.

[SouBeachTalents]

Act like Barkley wasn't injured and MJ wasn't retired when Hakeem finally broke through and won.
Hakeem's title runs shit on AD's. They stack up with literally anybody's in history

[ShawkFactory]

Act like Barkley wasn't injured and MJ wasn't retired when Hakeem finally broke through and won.

Act like Hakeem played with a top 10 (being generous here) GOAT

[ImKobe]

Hakeem's title runs shit on AD's. They stack up with literally anybody's in history

What? I gave you the numbers for AD's title run, they're elite and stack up with any other ATG.. You're trolling right?


Act like Hakeem played with a top 10 (being generous here) GOAT

Act like Hakeem didn't get Drexler who balled the **** out in those 2 elimination games against Utah in the 1st round and that the league didn't shorten the 3PT line which was a huge advantage for his team in '95.. Hakeem also lost in the 1st rd/missed POs 5 years in a row in the middle of his prime.

He's obviously higher than AD all-time but Davis could catch up in terms of accolades, just needs 1 more elite-tier title run and continue his high level of play until his mid-30s and we'll be having that discussion.

[Nike D'Antoni]

What? I gave you the numbers for AD's title run, they're elite and stack up with any other ATG.. You're trolling right?

Need to adjust scoring based on eras.

[SouBeachTalents]

What? I gave you the numbers for AD's title run, they're elite and stack up with any other ATG.. You're trolling right?
Trolling is pretending winning with the '94 supporting cast is comparable to winning with LeBron James. Or facing teams with guys like Jeff Green & Bam at center is comparable to going up against the likes of Ewing, Robinson & Shaq and absolutely destroying the first two.

[HoopsNY]

Act like Barkley wasn't injured and MJ wasn't retired when Hakeem finally broke through and won.

Act like AD didn't join forces with a top 5 player of all-time. You're kidding me, right? We gonna also act LA didn't have an easy road to the finals and Dragic and Bam were hurt for multiple games? C'mon bro.

[ImKobe]

Trolling is pretending winning with the '94 supporting cast is comparable to winning with LeBron James. Or facing teams with guys like Covington & Bam at center is comparable to going up against the likes of Ewing, Robinson & Shaq and absolutely destroying the first two.

Lebron had missed the Playoffs the year prior and he turned them into a title team in one year lol.. It's not like he went the KD route to get his ring, Lebron is top 10 ATG but he's nowhere near his prime at this point.


Need to adjust scoring based on eras.

Sure, but he still had elite numbers for this era and only played 36 mpg to Hakeem's 43, I'm not trying to say AD did it better but he had an ATG title run for a big man.

[HoopsNY]

What? I gave you the numbers for AD's title run, they're elite and stack up with any other ATG.. You're trolling right

No adjustment for spacing, defense, or pace?

League PPG 1995: 101
League Pace 1995: 92.9

League PPG 2020: 112
League Pace 2020: 100.3


Act like Hakeem didn't get Drexler who balled the **** out in those 2 elimination games against Utah in the 1st round and that the league didn't shorten the 3PT line which was a huge advantage for his team in '95.. Hakeem also lost in the 1st rd/missed POs 5 years in a row in the middle of his prime.

Huh? What kinda half baked analysis is this? So now Houston was the only team to benefit from a shortened 3 point line? And somehow Houston benefited so much because they were an elite three point shooting team?

Here are the league rankings in 3 point shooting for each team Houston faced in the playoffs in 1995, and Houston's ranking:

Utah: 6th
San Antonio: 7th
Phoenix: 10th
Orlando: 9th
Houston: 12th

Which team is the worst out of that bunch? :lol


He's obviously higher than AD all-time but Davis could catch up in terms of accolades, just needs 1 more elite-tier title run and continue his high level of play until his mid-30s and we'll be having that discussion.

Nonsense. Hakeem is top 10. AD is lucky if he sniffs the top 20.

[HoopsNY]

Trolling is pretending winning with the '94 supporting cast is comparable to winning with LeBron James. Or facing teams with guys like Jeff Green & Bam at center is comparable to going up against the likes of Ewing, Robinson & Shaq and absolutely destroying the first two.

I seriously can't believe he's even making these arguments.

[HoopsNY]

Hakeem's '95 PS: 33/10/5/1/3 on 53%
AD's '20 PS: 28/10/4/1/1 on 57%

This doesn't speak to the context of each scenario. Not to mention, AD only attempted 17 FGA. Compare that to Hakeem's 26 FGA in the '95 playoffs. Hakeem had a much bigger load and that must be factored in. And we haven't even considered how impressive Hakeem's output was given the fact that he had to exhaust himself on the defensive end against guys like Robinson and Shaq. ImKobe doesn't know what he's talking about.

[SouBeachTalents]

Hakeem's '95 PS: 33/10/5/1/3 on 53%
AD's '20 PS: 28/10/4/1/1 on 57%

This doesn't speak to the context of each scenario. Not to mention, AD only attempted 17 FGA. Compare that to Hakeem's 26 FGA in the '95 playoffs. Hakeem had a much bigger load and that must be factored in. And we haven't even considered how impressive Hakeem's output was given the fact that he had to exhaust himself on the defensive end against guys like Robinson and Shaq. ImKobe doesn't know what he's talking about.
Forget even all that. Does anybody actually believe AD is leading that ‘94 team to a title :lol Or outplaying Shaq & destroying Robinson in b2b series, after beating Stockton & Malone and Barkley & KJ, all without HCA?

[HoopsNY]

Forget even all that. Does anybody actually believe AD is leading that ‘94 team to a title :lol Or outplaying Shaq & destroying Robinson in b2b series, after beating Stockton & Malone and Barkley & KJ, all without HCA?

Certainly not. His take and anyone else who believes this is just absurd. What the heck has AD done as a leader to even warrant this kind of a comparison?

AD had no real individual success for 7 years prior to joining LA. This doesn't mean he wasn't one of the best players in the league, but Hakeem was taking his team to the finals three times, winning two of them, as the best player on Houston, while dominating a position that was stacked with great offensive and defensive players.

[ImKobe]

No adjustment for spacing, defense, or pace?

League PPG 1995: 101
League Pace 1995: 92.9

League PPG 2020: 112
League Pace 2020: 100.3



Huh? What kinda half baked analysis is this? So now Houston was the only team to benefit from a shortened 3 point line? And somehow Houston benefited so much because they were an elite three point shooting team?

Here are the league rankings in 3 point shooting for each team Houston faced in the playoffs in 1995:

Utah: 6th
San Antonio: 7th
Phoenix: 10th
Orlando: 9th
Houston: 12th

Which team is the worst out of that bunch? :lol



Nonsense. Hakeem is top 10. AD is lucky if he sniffs the top 20.

Talk about "half baked analysis"...

Davis played 7 less minutes per game. He had a 29.6 PER and led the league in WS/48 and had a higher BPM than Hakeem. No shit it's easier to score in today's NBA but that's not the point.. point is that AD already has 1 "alpha" ring and could catch up to Hakeem in terms of accolades & Playoff success with what he's done so far.

Using just 3PT% is being dishonest, his team was already #1 in attempts/makes the year before and the shortened line made them shoot more 3s and it led to a more efficient offense, they were 12th in % but #1 in attempts and makes and those guys came through big time in the biggest moments thanks to that shortened line in the Playoffs.

Let's add some more context to the 3PT% by looking at attempts

Utah - 27th
Suns - 3rd
Spurs - 19th
Magic - 7th
Rockets - 1st, more than 2x attempts than the Jazz

Rockets shot 36.8% from 3 compared to Suns' 36.9% and Magic's 37.0% but they attempted & made the most out of all teams that year. Horry, Kenny, Elie & Cassell all shot 40% or above in the POs as well and the Rockets shot better from 3 than all their opponents in the POs (higher 3PM & % in the 1st 3 rds, less 3PM but higher % in the Finals).

Also, the league has moved away from big men but Davis has adapted to the new NBA by extending his range which is why he was able to be that efficient in 2020. It's not like they're running post-ups/ISOs for him all game like they did with Dream.

[999Guy]

Better ceiling raiser? Based on what exactly? AD joined forces with arguably the best player in the league. What does Chicago look like if Hakeem joined Jordan in mid 90s?

Not as good as you think. Jordan and Hakeem is quietly like Wade and LeBron. Just a funky fit.

Which is my point. AD is legitimately perfect next to a wide range of offensive monstersx

[000]

People are retarded, 21-8 Hakeem? Yikes.

Hakeem never went to a lottery team and turned it into a 60-win championship team.

[Phoenix]

I dont know why the 3 point line in the 90s is a talking point here. The Rockets won their first title in 94 with the older line. Yeah they had the personnel to leverage it in 95 when it shortened but why are they getting penalized for having the right kind of players around Hakeem? They had a great second guy( Drexler) for the classic inside/outside combo, and heady role players/shooters in Horry, Jet, Cassell, Elie etc. That was a well put together team.

[Herro Ball]

I’m taking the dream every time

[Airupthere]

But the 90s are full of car mechanics. Should it not mean that hakeem is overrated?

[Pointguard]

Lebron is truly great. His numbers were better than AD's in an off year. It didn't get mentioned once because folks interpret it as an off year for Lebron. And the haters are saying its an all time great run that AD produced with a top player ever being the decision maker and set creator who shot better, rebounded better and ran the offense. Its fantasy to say that was AD's team. You can't have it both ways. Hakeem can't be compared to a number 2 in the most dominant playoff run thru some of the greatest centers ever. The offense ran thru Hakeem.