Is mj the only atg without any weaknesses?

[Bronbron23]

Kareem had no handles or jump shot. Magic and bird weren't elite athletes as far as athleticism goes. Bill russell i don't think had a great jump shot but correct me if i'm wrong. I haven't seen alot of offensive highlights of him. Duncan wasn't crazy athletically. Shaq had no handles or shot. Even if we look at this crop who will go down as atg players they all have weaknesses. Bron has no footwork or off ball movement. Steph can't defend and isn't elite athletically. Kd and kawhi are close but kd isn't a consistent elite defender and kawhi just can't stay healthy. Actually maybe kd is one. His defense is decent. There's only one other atg i think of that had no weaknesses and that's mj's clone kobe bryant. Am i missing someone? Wilt maybe? Didn't see alot of him either. But i'm assuming he didn't have a great shot although i did see a video of him hitting fadeaways and long range hook shots so maybe hw could but just didn't need to very often.

So mj, kobe and kd? Anyone else?

[Kobe_Bryant]

no.. I am

I did everything jordan did and improved on it with both hands and farther


jordan accomplished more though so il admit he's the goat

[Kblaze8855]

Not really fair to call out a big for lacking handles or an outside shot but not call out guards who aren’t rim protectors and rebounders. Not having parts of the game left to other positions as a strength isn’t a weakness to me.

[SATAN]

OP has turned into the biggest attention whore on this forum.

[Bronbron23]

Not really fair to call out a big for lacking handles or an outside shot but not call out guards who aren’t rim protectors and rebounders. Not having parts of the game left to other positions as a strength isn’t a weakness to me.

What perimeter player out of those 3 that i mentioned weren't good at rebounding or blocking? Mj was definitely good at both. Not sure how many blocks kd and kobe got but they are both good defenders who can block shots and rebound.

And when i say weaknesses i don't really mean relative to impact on the court. I just meant as a skill if they were strong or weak in a specific area.

[Bronbron23]

OP has turned into the biggest attention whore on this forum.

Damn bruh it's just a question. Nothing to get butt hurt about just because your favorite player has one or 2 weaknesses.

[Phoenix]

Relative to the skills needed to succeed at his position, gotta throw Hakeem in there.

[Reggie43]

Olajuwon

[999Guy]

A guy who started his career as a stapadding gambler who shot jacked more than anyone in an era is flawless. Okay.


And then Kobe and KD, more or less less talented guys than him with the same sort of habits and mentality.


Jordan is no more well rounded than Chris Paul. As a matter of fact he’s clearly more flawed. Just more talented at the same time.

This is a guy with a jump shot too flat to go beyond 20 feet.

Jordan was basically a really polished Westbrook out there. Maybe give him a slight BBIQ advantage for knowing he sucked at 3’s.

Kobe was a mess in certain areas or the game. Especially shot selection. Durant’s handles stink and he’s been locked down because of it. He also doesn’t box out, ever, and has big slow feet on the perimeter defensively. Stands no chance against the prime Bledsoe’s and Ja Morant’s of the NBA despite supposedly being known as super versatile. Which leads to his ability to fight through screens which doesn’t exist at all.


Chris Paul is the most complete player you’ve ever watched whether you’re smart enough to know it or not. **** passing and ball handling where he was top in the world good, he was a god at swimming through screens and ripping ball handlers without giving up good position unlike Jordan who would basically sell out for a chance at the ball.




Kevin Garnett wasn’t flawless but almost unrealistically elite at an astonishing amount of things on a basketball court


Jordan had unthinkable athleticism but his skill level was simply great. Not elite, like say Jokic or Bird and he had poor habits and passing vision that was just...good. Like LeBron clearly sees the floor better than Jordan ever did on both ends.


Born probably saw the floor better when he was 18 than a 36 year old Jordan. Is what it is.


Not even more skilled than KG skill for skill IMO. And he wasn’t disciplined, probably because he was a cheat code and didn’t have to be, but still.

[SATAN]

Damn bruh it's just a question. Nothing to get butt hurt about just because your favorite player has one or 2 weaknesses.

So does MJ.

[Bronbron23]

Relative to the skills needed to succeed at his position, gotta throw Hakeem in there.

Yeah i agree with that. As basic skills go though he couldn't really shoot long mids or threes.

[Bronbron23]

So does MJ.

What weaknesses did mj have?

[k0kakw0rld]

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MJ shot under 30% from 3 for 9 seasons out of 15.

[SATAN]

I would consider being a ball hog and terrible team mate a weakness.

[SATAN]

mj shot under 30% from 3 for 9 seasons out of 15.

astonishing

[Phoenix]

Yeah i agree with that. As basic skills go though he couldn't really shoot long mids or threes.

That's why I say relative to the skills needed for his position. I wouldn't consider limited shooting range for a 90s center to be a skill deficit. Maybe nowadays because different things are expected from the center position. That said Hakeem had a decent mid-range shot, you certainly couldn't leave him open at 15 feet and not pay, so by that measure not having weaknesses to me means not having something that a team can clearly exploit. You could exploit Shaq's free throw shooting, you couldn't exploit anything about Hakeem to my memory.

[iamgine]

Kareem had no handles or jump shot. Magic and bird weren't elite athletes as far as athleticism goes. Bill russell i don't think had a great jump shot but correct me if i'm wrong. I haven't seen alot of offensive highlights of him. Duncan wasn't crazy athletically. Shaq had no handles or shot. Even if we look at this crop who will go down as atg players they all have weaknesses. Bron has no footwork or off ball movement. Steph can't defend and isn't elite athletically. Kd and kawhi are close but kd isn't a consistent elite defender and kawhi just can't stay healthy. Actually maybe kd is one. His defense is decent. There's only one other atg i think of that had no weaknesses and that's mj's clone kobe bryant. Am i missing someone? Wilt maybe? Didn't see alot of him either. But i'm assuming he didn't have a great shot although i did see a video of him hitting fadeaways and long range hook shots so maybe hw could but just didn't need to very often.

So mj, kobe and kd? Anyone else?
If call out Bill Russel not having great jump shot a weakness, then everybody has weakness.

For example, MJ wasn't great at shooting from Steph range. He also wasn't crazy at rim protection or shotblocking. Or rebounding.

[Bronbron23]

That's why I say relative to the skills needed for his position. I wouldn't consider limited shooting range for a 90s center to be a skill deficit. Maybe nowadays because different things are expected from the center position. That said Hakeem had a decent mid-range shot, you certainly couldn't leave him open at 15 feet and not pay, so by that measure not having weaknesses to me means not having something that a team can clearly exploit. You could exploit Shaq's free throw shooting, you couldn't exploit anything about Hakeem to my memory.

Yeah for sure. I actually thought about throwing in hakeem with mj, kobe and kd but i didn't for the reasons i said but i hear what your saying.

[Bronbron23]

If call out Bill Russel not having great jump shot a weakness, then everybody has weakness.

For example, MJ wasn't great at shooting from Steph range. He also wasn't crazy at rim protection or shotblocking. Or rebounding.

Shooting from steph range is irrelevant. You just need to be able to shoot threes and mj was good enough at it. As was he at blocking and rebounding. Mj was actually a very good rebounder but as a perimeter player he wasn't in the post during his prime as much as bugs were.

I hear you though. I don't mean weaknesses relative to their impact. I just meant weakness as a skill or physical attribute. Mj could do everything. Most players couldn't.

[iamgine]

Shooting from steph range is irrelevant. You just need to be able to shoot threes and mj was good enough at it. As was he at blocking and rebounding. Mj was actually a very good rebounder but as a perimeter player he wasn't in the post during his prime as much as bugs were.

I hear you though. I don't mean weaknesses relative to their impact. I just meant weakness as a skill or physical attribute. Mj could do everything. Most players couldn't.
Well if 'good enough' is the standard then seems to me Duncan, Magic, Bird athleticism was good enough. Or Kareem's handles and shooting was good enough.

[Bronbron23]

https://zupimages.net/up/21/43/r48u.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=21/43/r48u.jpg)

MJ shot under 30% from 3 for 9 seasons out of 15.

Post season?

[Bronbron23]

Well if 'good enough' is the standard then seems to me Duncan, Magic, Bird athleticism was good enough. Or Kareem's handles and shooting was good enough.

I disagree. We've seen mj shoot high percentage from 3 in the postseason. We've seen him get over 10 assists in a finals serise. I've never seen bird, duncan or magic do anything close to the things mj did athletically.

Again mj could do everything. Those guys were just as great but they couldn't do everything. Put it this way in any given game mj could out shoot bird or out assist magic. They coukd never jump or move like mj. Not even close.

[8Ball]

https://zupimages.net/up/21/43/r48u.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=21/43/r48u.jpg)

MJ shot under 30% from 3 for 9 seasons out of 15.

No weaknesses though. Lol

[TheCorporation]

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MJ shot under 30% from 3 for 9 seasons out of 15.

Shut it down

[8Ball]

Jordan stan makes a thread asking if Jordan had any weaknesses.

Jordan was a mediocre 3 point shooter for most of his career.

This is why I am convinced most Jordan stans have not watched him play, they dont even remember how he shot from 3.

[TheCorporation]

If you lose to the same team for three straight years that's a weakness.

Jordan is to Detroit what DeMar was to LeBronto :lol

[tanibanana]

Not really a weakness, but I find his passing ability/awareness average for a shooting guard.
But that is it.. nothing more.

[Bawkish]

Jordan stan makes a thread asking if Jordan had any weaknesses.

Jordan was a mediocre 3 point shooter for most of his career.

This is why I am convinced most Jordan stans have not watched him play, they dont even remember how he shot from 3.

Down with 3 with 5 seconds left in a crucial Finals game, who would you choose to take the last shot, Kerr or MJ?

[AirBonner]

Some say being shackled to Pippen is a weakness

[Bawkish]

Some say being shackled to Pippen is a weakness

i agree

having a "migraine" in Game 7 cost MJ his 7th ring

[iamgine]

I disagree. We've seen mj shoot high percentage from 3 in the postseason. We've seen him get over 10 assists in a finals serise. I've never seen bird, duncan or magic do anything close to the things mj did athletically.

Again mj could do everything. Those guys were just as great but they couldn't do everything. Put it this way in any given game mj could out shoot bird or out assist magic. They coukd never jump or move like mj. Not even close.

Well I've never seen MJ outpower 3 guys at once like Shaq. Maybe he's also lacking in strength? Or get 15 blocks like Hakeem. Not even close.

[dankok8]

I think weaknesses should be relative to position. Every player has weaknesses in an absolute sense. Kareem not having a "handle" isn't a weakness. He was 7'2''...

[BigShotBob]

MJ didn't have a weakness

[dreamwarrior]

If Ben Simmons could shoot, he'd be flawless

[GimmeThat]

a ball hog who can't play with specialists "listen, you gotta learn your role, so I can score"

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi led his team in assist % at 23% and eliminated Giannis in the conference finals, perfect shooter, perfect scorer, defender that takes up half the court, led his team in rebounding to the title in 2019 as well.

No weaknesses for kawhi

[Axe]

Damn bruh it's just a question. Nothing to get butt hurt about just because your favorite player has one or 2 weaknesses.
Oof

[Axe]

Kawhi led his team in assist % at 23% and eliminated Giannis in the conference finals, perfect shooter, perfect scorer, defender that takes up half the court, led his team in rebounding to the title in 2019 as well.

No weaknesses for kawhi
Game 7 elimination game in 2020 wcsf against 7'1 brian windhorst says otherwise.

[TheGoatest]

https://zupimages.net/up/21/43/r48u.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=21/43/r48u.jpg)

MJ shot under 30% from 3 for 9 seasons out of 15.

And those seasons where he had a good 3pt% were in the 3 seasons between 1994-95 and 1996-97 when the league nerfed the 3-point line to make it shorter. :oldlol:

Jordan stans regularly meet up to sit in a circle and attempt to hypnotize each other while saying "Jordan's 3-point shooting wasn't a weakness, Jordan's 3-point shooting wasn't a weakness..." over and over again. Some of them have genuinely convinced themselves for this to be the case. :roll:

I am so glad that we have have the detailed shooting distance data from Jordan's last 2 seasons with the Bulls, as well as his 2 seasons with Wizards that in great detail show and without question prove that Jordan was a good shooter just inside the 3-point line, but once that 3-point line kicked in (the properly distanced line, not the pee-wee one from 1994-97) it was BRICK CITY of Westbrookian proportions:

https://images4.imagebam.com/ea/84/79/ME4JYLT_o.png

First of all, it should be noted that his decent .374 3pt% from 1996-97 is due to the shortened 3pt line, which was still active in that season. However, notice the drop from the distance 16-feet to the 3 point line, and behind the 3-point line itself. Just about every player has this drop, but in Jordan's case it was disproportionately massive, literally twice as big. There is no doubt that the 3-point line had him SHOOK and he could not shoot worth a damn standing behind it.

But other than his 3-point shooting, there is also his general all-roundedness, that is rebounding and passing. I don't know if those can be considered a weakness, but they were definitely not a strength. Aside from one proven and self-admitted stat padding for triple-doubles season where he averaged 8.0 assists and 8.0 rebounds, he never averaged 7 rebounds nor 7 assists for a single other season in his career.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Game 7 elimination game in 2020 wcsf against 7'1 brian windhorst says otherwise.

Jordan got eliminated by Orlando Shaq who wasn't any better then jokic. What does Orlando Shaq have over jokic? 3 more conference finals wins and 1 less reg season mvp.

[SaintzFury13]

MJ wasn't a great 3 point shooter, and benefited from the line being shortened at one point. He also wasn't the best at running the offense, but then again he never really needed to.

Every single player in NBA history had a part of their game that they could have worked on. There are no exceptions.

[LeCola]

https://zupimages.net/up/21/43/r48u.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=21/43/r48u.jpg)

MJ shot under 30% from 3 for 9 seasons out of 15.

His 3 point shot stats are that low just because in those seasons he attempted regular 3 point shots very rare.

In most seasons he attempted less than 1 shot per game.

Those are buzzer beaters in the end of quarters, which he attempted from half court or full court.

Just like those shots:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYfCMAmJc9A&ab_channel=TheNBAFreak

In this era, players mostly don't try those shots to avoid their 3 point shot percentage to decrease.

Just check his attempt numbers:

https://i.ibb.co/gzJkNXx/image.png

In the seasons he attempted 1.9 or more 3 point shots, his total stats are those:

3pt attempts: 1064
3pt made: 411
3pt percentage: 0.386


Also in those 1064 shots, there are half/full court buzzer beater shot attempts too.

So, his real 3 point shot percentage is even better than .386

If he played in this era, he could have .400+ 3p% with 5-10 attempts per game.

[Phoenix]

Wonder why MJ took 3 a game in 90, then dropped to 1 a game in 91 and 92, then back to 3 in 93.

[TheGoatest]

I've also noticed that the reflex counter-argument Jordan stans have to the indisputable FACT that Jordan was a poor 3-point shooter is to cherry-pick instances of certain games to desperately prove the opposite. As if there aren't games where:

Shaq shot perfectly from the free-throw line
Russell Westbrook had 10+ assists with 0 turnovers
Allen Iverson shot 70%+ from the field
Ben Wallace scored 20+
Ben Simmons hit a 3

Your cherry-picking doesn't hold water from the vast amounts of empirical data we have for Jordan's detailed shooting by distance percentages over his final 4 seasons.

[Bronbron23]

Well I've never seen MJ outpower 3 guys at once like Shaq. Maybe he's also lacking in strength? Or get 15 blocks like Hakeem. Not even close.

Mj is known for being very strong so strength isn’t something he was lacking. I hear you though. Your talking more about weaknesses and strengths relative to position and impact. I'm talking just natural ability in skill. Hakeem relative to his position and what he needed to do definitely didn't have any weaknesses.

[Bronbron23]

And those seasons where he had a good 3pt% were in the 3 seasons between 1994-95 and 1996-97 when the league nerfed the 3-point line to make it shorter. :oldlol:

Jordan stans regularly meet up to sit in a circle and attempt to hypnotize each other while saying "Jordan's 3-point shooting wasn't a weakness, Jordan's 3-point shooting wasn't a weakness..." over and over again. Some of them have genuinely convinced themselves for this to be the case. :roll:

I am so glad that we have have the detailed shooting distance data from Jordan's last 2 seasons with the Bulls, as well as his 2 seasons with Wizards that in great detail show and without question prove that Jordan was a good shooter just inside the 3-point line, but once that 3-point line kicked in (the properly distanced line, not the pee-wee one from 1994-97) it was BRICK CITY of Westbrookian proportions:

https://images4.imagebam.com/ea/84/79/ME4JYLT_o.png

First of all, it should be noted that his decent .374 3pt% from 1996-97 is due to the shortened 3pt line, which was still active in that season. However, notice the drop from the distance 16-feet to the 3 point line, and behind the 3-point line itself. Just about every player has this drop, but in Jordan's case it was disproportionately massive, literally twice as big. There is no doubt that the 3-point line had him SHOOK and he could not shoot worth a damn standing behind it.

But other than his 3-point shooting, there is also his general all-roundedness, that is rebounding and passing. I don't know if those can be considered a weakness, but they were definitely not a strength. Aside from one proven and self-admitted stat padding for triple-doubles season where he averaged 8.0 assists and 8.0 rebounds, he never averaged 7 rebounds nor 7 assists for a single other season in his career.

Mj was a good three pointer and he didn't need the shortened three point line. In his first three peat in the post season from the regular line he averaged 39% 3pt.

It was also an era where whole teams were shooting as many threes as individual players now so players didn't work on it as much.

You do know that from the regular line in the post season mj has a higher 3pt% than bron right?

[Bronbron23]

I've also noticed that the reflex counter-argument Jordan stans have to the indisputable FACT that Jordan was a poor 3-point shooter is to cherry-pick instances of certain games to desperately prove the opposite. As if there aren't games where:

Shaq shot perfectly from the free-throw line
Russell Westbrook had 10+ assists with 0 turnovers
Allen Iverson shot 70%+ from the field
Ben Wallace scored 20+
Ben Simmons hit a 3

Your cherry-picking doesn't hold water from the vast amounts of empirical data we have for Jordan's detailed shooting by distance percentages over his final 4 seasons.

3 post seasons strait of 39% 3pt isn't really cherry picking.

[TheGoatest]

Mj was a good three pointer and he didn't need the shortened three point line. In his first three peat in the post season from the regular line he averaged 39% 3pt.

It was also an era where whole teams were shooting as many threes as individual players now so players didn't work on it as much.

You do know that from the regular line in the post season mj has a higher 3pt% than bron right?

Jordan averaged 2.2 3pt attempts on the regular 3pt line over his career in the playoffs. So naturally a couple of cherry-picked playoff runs where he shoot well (not great) will inflate his percentage.

You do know that from the regular 3pt line in the regular season Jordan (.289) has a lower career 3pt% than Westbrook (.305), right? On half as many 3pt attempts per game as Westbrook.
This is based on data accumulated over hundreds of games, not dozens.

[8Ball]

And those seasons where he had a good 3pt% were in the 3 seasons between 1994-95 and 1996-97 when the league nerfed the 3-point line to make it shorter. :oldlol:

Jordan stans regularly meet up to sit in a circle and attempt to hypnotize each other while saying "Jordan's 3-point shooting wasn't a weakness, Jordan's 3-point shooting wasn't a weakness..." over and over again. Some of them have genuinely convinced themselves for this to be the case. :roll:

I am so glad that we have have the detailed shooting distance data from Jordan's last 2 seasons with the Bulls, as well as his 2 seasons with Wizards that in great detail show and without question prove that Jordan was a good shooter just inside the 3-point line, but once that 3-point line kicked in (the properly distanced line, not the pee-wee one from 1994-97) it was BRICK CITY of Westbrookian proportions:

https://images4.imagebam.com/ea/84/79/ME4JYLT_o.png

First of all, it should be noted that his decent .374 3pt% from 1996-97 is due to the shortened 3pt line, which was still active in that season. However, notice the drop from the distance 16-feet to the 3 point line, and behind the 3-point line itself. Just about every player has this drop, but in Jordan's case it was disproportionately massive, literally twice as big. There is no doubt that the 3-point line had him SHOOK and he could not shoot worth a damn standing behind it.

But other than his 3-point shooting, there is also his general all-roundedness, that is rebounding and passing. I don't know if those can be considered a weakness, but they were definitely not a strength. Aside from one proven and self-admitted stat padding for triple-doubles season where he averaged 8.0 assists and 8.0 rebounds, he never averaged 7 rebounds nor 7 assists for a single other season in his career.

Greatest post of all time on insidehoops.

100% truth.

[8Ball]

Down with 3 with 5 seconds left in a crucial Finals game, who would you choose to take the last shot, Kerr or MJ?

Jordan picked Kerr to do it for him so I agree with Jordan, Steve Kerr.

[8Ball]

I've also noticed that the reflex counter-argument Jordan stans have to the indisputable FACT that Jordan was a poor 3-point shooter is to cherry-pick instances of certain games to desperately prove the opposite. As if there aren't games where:

Shaq shot perfectly from the free-throw line
Russell Westbrook had 10+ assists with 0 turnovers
Allen Iverson shot 70%+ from the field
Ben Wallace scored 20+
Ben Simmons hit a 3

Your cherry-picking doesn't hold water from the vast amounts of empirical data we have for Jordan's detailed shooting by distance percentages over his final 4 seasons.

Because Jordan stans are mythologists. They invent stories.

[RRR3]

Mj was a good three pointer and he didn't need the shortened three point line. In his first three peat in the post season from the regular line he averaged 39% 3pt.

It was also an era where whole teams were shooting as many threes as individual players now so players didn't work on it as much.

You do know that from the regular line in the post season mj has a higher 3pt% than bron right?
LeBron is a good free throw shooter then.

[outofstomach]

His 3 point shot stats are that low just because in those seasons he attempted regular 3 point shots very rare.

In most seasons he attempted less than 1 shot per game.

Those are buzzer beaters in the end of quarters, which he attempted from half court or full court.

Just like those shots:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYfCMAmJc9A&ab_channel=TheNBAFreak

In this era, players mostly don't try those shots to avoid their 3 point shot percentage to decrease.

Just check his attempt numbers:

https://i.ibb.co/gzJkNXx/image.png

In the seasons he attempted 1.9 or more 3 point shots, his total stats are those:

3pt attempts: 1064
3pt made: 411
3pt percentage: 0.386


Also in those 1064 shots, there are half/full court buzzer beater shot attempts too.

So, his real 3 point shot percentage is even better than .386

If he played in this era, he could have .400+ 3p% with 5-10 attempts per game.so is anyone going to debunk this

[Airupthere]

No player is perfect. With MJ, he could be a better 3pt shooter. Still, it wasn't a glaring handicap where you would just leave him on the 3 and challenge him to shoot.

If you got guys like the Lopez brothers learning to shoot 3s, is there any doubt that MJ could be a good 3pt shooter if he wanted to?

[TheGoatest]

so is anyone going to debunk this

Cherry-picking needs to be debunked?

On the second tuesdays during the months with 31 days on away games against the teams in the Pacific division, Shaquille O'Neal shot 97% from the free throw line.

Not to mention that idiotic post also included the seasons between 1994-95 and 1996-97 with the shortened 3-point line.

[Bronbron23]

Jordan averaged 2.2 3pt attempts on the regular 3pt line over his career in the playoffs. So naturally a couple of cherry-picked playoff runs where he shoot well (not great) will inflate his percentage.

You do know that from the regular 3pt line in the regular season Jordan (.289) has a lower career 3pt% than Westbrook (.305), right? On half as many 3pt attempts per game as Westbrook.
This is based on data accumulated over hundreds of games, not dozens.

That's fine it's just the reg season. Historically all that really matters when it comes to the reg season is accolades and basic stats.

As i said in the post season from the regular line mj was more efficient than bron so of mj sucks so does bron. Attempts don't really matter. Mj is the goat volume shooter plus for most players there's no correlation between 3pt attempts and efficiency anyway. If anything mj only shooting 2 a game hurt his efficiency because a higher percentage of his threes would be bail outs.

[RRR3]

That's fine it's just the reg season. Historically all that really matters when it comes to the reg season is accolades and basic stats.

As i said in the post season from the regular line mj was more efficient than bron so of mj sucks so does bron. Attempts don't really matter. Mj is the goat volume shooter plus for most players there's no correlation between 3pt attempts and efficiency anyway. If anything mj only shooting 2 a game hurt his efficiency because a higher percentage of his threes would be bail outs.
Why are we giving him credit for being WORSE with a shorter line :lol

You consistent make the dumbest points. Are you retarded?

[dankok8]

Jordan for his career shot 0.3% below league average in the regular season and 0.5% above league average in the playoffs. I don't think you can call his 3pt shooting a weakness. It wasn't a strength but wasn't a weakness either.

[TheGoatest]

Why are we giving him credit for being WORSE with a shorter line :lol

You consistent make the dumbest points. Are you retarded?

Exactly.. Cherry-picking within cherry-picking.

If we were being completely fair, we would combine both the playoffs as well as the regular season - i.e. include every 3-point shot Jordan has ever taken, regular season and playoffs. And that data shows that Jordan was a Westbrick-level shooter from beyond the ordinary 3-point line. And that's on significantly fewer attempts. By the way, it's beyond ridiculous that you're attempting to make that look as a pro-Jordan argument - the fact that he took fewer 3-point attempts. I can show you some examples where players had 1 3 point attempt all season/playoffs and made it. I suppose that make them look better than if they shot 45% on 7-8 3point attempts per game. :roll:

[LeCola]

so is anyone going to debunk this

No, they won't.

Because they can't.

[TheGoatest]

Hey everyone, look what I managed to cherry-pick:

LeBron had a three straight playoffs where he shot better than Jordan from the 16 feet-3 point line distance than the data we have for Jordan from the 1996 and 1997 playoffs:

https://images4.imagebam.com/4e/1c/b9/ME4KADE_o.png

https://images4.imagebam.com/78/54/71/ME4KAEU_o.png

Will Jordan stans admit that LeBron is a better long 2 shooter than Jordan now?

[GrayGoat]

MJ wasn’t a great 3pt shooter ONLY because he chose to be

[ELITEpower23]

MJ's weaknesses?

•1st round (1-9)
•Detroit Pistons
•Hakeem
•Zone defense
•Playing defense
•Shooting 3s

Great dunker tho :oldlol:

[8Ball]

Will Jordan stans admit that LeBron is a better long 2 shooter than Jordan now?

As a prior Jordan stan I admit it.

[bison]

MJ's weakness was having a tiny pecker

[LeCola]

Cherry-picking needs to be debunked?

On the second tuesdays during the months with 31 days on away games against the teams in the Pacific division, Shaquille O'Neal shot 97% from the free throw line.

Not to mention that idiotic post also included the seasons between 1994-95 and 1996-97 with the shortened 3-point line.

It is not cherry-picking.

It is based on a basic algorithm:

"Seasons he attempted more than 1.9".

Why do I say it?

Because in the other seasons he didn't use 3 point shots as a weapon.

Those 0.6-1.5 attempts per game are mostly:

Half/full court shots at the end of the quarters,

or

Extremely contested shots at the end of the shot clock.

We don't see Lebron trying that shots.

In similar conditions, he holds the ball or passes to his teammate.

Because he is a stat padder and doesn't want his percentage to drop.

[SaintzFury13]

so is anyone going to debunk this

What is there to debunk?

[jlip]

Simple answer... No. Not at all.

[WhiteKyrie]

Short answer, yes. No weakness. Mentally, intangibles, physically, defensively, stamina and motor or skill wise. No one else comes close.

[LeCola]

As I said I don't think 3 point shots are MJ's weakness.

But, it doesn't mean that he has no weaknesses.

His weakness is his height/size.

Just look the GOAT list.

He is mostly the shortest player in top 10 of the GOAT lists.

[j3lademaster]

If it's relative to their position, the answers are: CP3, Hakeem, KAJ and maybe Kobe. MJ's weakness was 3 point shooting, Lebron's weakness is free throw shooting.

[GrayGoat]

3ball what are MJ weaknesses?

[ELITEpower23]

MJ's weaknesses?

•1st round (1-9)
•Detroit Pistons
•Hakeem
•Zone defense
•Playing defense
•Shooting 3s

Great dunker tho :oldlol:

Any answer?

[Bronbron23]

Any answer?

It's to dumb to Answer the shit dosn't makes sense. The only one that had any validity is 3 pt shooting and that one isn't even that great

[Elosha]

So here's a question for all of you to think Jordan's 3-point shooting was a weakness. Can anyone show me an example of where anyone in the league at any point in time criticized Jordan's supposed weakness as a 3-point shooter and thought his three-point shooting held him back? Or said that it was a glaring weakness to his game? I can only remember one occasion. Commentators were saying Drexler was a better 3-point shooter than him in the 92 finals. How did Jordan react? Oh yeah, a record six of nine 3-pointers in the first half of game 1, on his way to 35 points in the first half (and he continued to shoot it well throughout that finals). And before that game, Jordan stating that Drexler was a better 3-point shooter than he chose to be.

What all of these people who are going back and forth on stats are completely missing is the fact that Jordan did not, for the most part, want to be tethered to the 3-point shot. He felt it limited many other aspects of his game, and given his success during his era, it's kind of hard to argue otherwise. Along with the fact that literally no one throughout his playing career thought of his 3-point shooting as a weakness. Now -- if you throw Jordan in today's league with no context whatsoever, maybe it does have a little bit more of an impact. On the other hand, the often lackadaisical defense and wide-open lanes would be perfect for Jordan's post-ups, mid-range, and slashing and dunking attacks. Probably he would shoot more 3's if he played today. That's simply the way the league has evolved, probably to its detriment and diminishing of overall offensive skillsets. But I think in today's NBA, Jordan would shoot three to five 3-pointers per game at a solid, if not spectacular, clip, and routinely eviscerate his opponents in most other aspects of scoring.

If Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, and many of the other well-known 3-point shooters in the 80s and 90s were not busting on Jordan for his supposed three-point weakness, am I supposed to believe that it would matter all that much in today's softer and wide-open era? I don't.

[Bawkish]

So here's a question for all of you to think Jordan's 3-point shooting was a weakness. Can anyone show me an example of where anyone in the league at any point in time criticized Jordan's supposed weakness as a 3-point shooter and thought his three-point shooting held him back? Or said that it was a glaring weakness to his game? I can only remember one occasion. Commentators were saying Drexler was a better 3-point shooter than him in the 92 finals. How did Jordan react? Oh yeah, a record six of nine 3-pointers in the first half of game 1, on his way to 35 points in the first half (and he continued to shoot it well throughout that finals). And before that game, Jordan stating that Drexler was a better 3-point shooter than he chose to be.

What all of these people who are going back and forth on stats are completely missing is the fact that Jordan did not, for the most part, want to be tethered to the 3-point shot. He felt it limited many other aspects of his game, and given his success during his era, it's kind of hard to argue otherwise. Along with the fact that literally no one throughout his playing career thought of his 3-point shooting as a weakness. Now -- if you throw Jordan in today's league with no context whatsoever, maybe it does have a little bit more of an impact. On the other hand, the often lackadaisical defense and wide-open lanes would be perfect for Jordan's post-ups, mid-range, and slashing and dunking attacks. Probably he would shoot more 3's if he played today. That's simply the way the league has evolved, probably to its detriment and diminishing of overall offensive skillsets. But I think in today's NBA, Jordan would shoot three to five 3-pointers per game at a solid, if not spectacular, clip, and routinely eviscerate his opponents in most other aspects of scoring.

If Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, and many of the other well-known 3-point shooters in the 80s and 90s were not busting on Jordan for his supposed three-point weakness, am I supposed to believe that it would matter all that much in today's softer and wide-open era? I don't.

Dude, you're making too much sense here

Bron stans would just read the first sentence because that's all their pea size brain can digest then make an idiot response

[iamgine]

So here's a question for all of you to think Jordan's 3-point shooting was a weakness. Can anyone show me an example of where anyone in the league at any point in time criticized Jordan's supposed weakness as a 3-point shooter and thought his three-point shooting held him back? Or said that it was a glaring weakness to his game? I can only remember one occasion. Commentators were saying Drexler was a better 3-point shooter than him in the 92 finals. How did Jordan react? Oh yeah, a record six of nine 3-pointers in the first half of game 1, on his way to 35 points in the first half (and he continued to shoot it well throughout that finals). And before that game, Jordan stating that Drexler was a better 3-point shooter than he chose to be.

What all of these people who are going back and forth on stats are completely missing is the fact that Jordan did not, for the most part, want to be tethered to the 3-point shot. He felt it limited many other aspects of his game, and given his success during his era, it's kind of hard to argue otherwise. Along with the fact that literally no one throughout his playing career thought of his 3-point shooting as a weakness. Now -- if you throw Jordan in today's league with no context whatsoever, maybe it does have a little bit more of an impact. On the other hand, the often lackadaisical defense and wide-open lanes would be perfect for Jordan's post-ups, mid-range, and slashing and dunking attacks. Probably he would shoot more 3's if he played today. That's simply the way the league has evolved, probably to its detriment and diminishing of overall offensive skillsets. But I think in today's NBA, Jordan would shoot three to five 3-pointers per game at a solid, if not spectacular, clip, and routinely eviscerate his opponents in most other aspects of scoring.

If Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, and many of the other well-known 3-point shooters in the 80s and 90s were not busting on Jordan for his supposed three-point weakness, am I supposed to believe that it would matter all that much in today's softer and wide-open era? I don't.

No one really think it's a weakness. It's just weak. Like how Shaq have weak handles, but it's not really a weakness.

[SATAN]

No one really think it's a weakness. It's just weak. Like how Shaq have weak handles, but it's not really a weakness.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NwgNLW9ASQ

[BigShotBob]

No one really think it's a weakness. It's just weak. Like how Shaq have weak handles, but it's not really a weakness.

By all accounts it's average yet still on par or better than Kobe and Lebron's 3pt percentage and when he started playing basketball the 3 point line barely existed (so he didn't practice a shot that didn't exist until he was in college). This is common sense but no one on ISH knows basketball